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André Casal

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Having friends in the same entrepreneurial journey as you is absolutely amazing! However, my friends aren't into technology as much as I am.

Any tips on how to find wannabe absolute beasts in full stack software engineering or mentors who have already become that?

Tried Bumble BFF, MentorCruise, Clarity.fm, CodeMentor, LinkedIn - but no luck. Any tips?
 
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btw software devs are the most sought after and best paid people in todays startup scene.
 

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Having friends in the same entrepreneurial journey as you is absolutely amazing! However, my friends aren't into technology as much as I am.

Any tips on how to find wannabe absolute beasts in full stack software engineering or mentors who have already become that?

Tried Bumble BFF, MentorCruise, Clarity.fm, CodeMentor, LinkedIn - but no luck. Any tips?
Well, what do you want to know?
Say that you`ve found this absolute beast.
What do you need help with and what can you help with?
 

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Having friends in the same entrepreneurial journey as you is absolutely amazing! However, my friends aren't into technology as much as I am.

Any tips on how to find wannabe absolute beasts in full stack software engineering or mentors who have already become that?

Tried Bumble BFF, MentorCruise, Clarity.fm, CodeMentor, LinkedIn - but no luck. Any tips?
For what it’s worth I don’t think you need to be an “absolute beast” to be an entrepreneur; you only have to be “good enough” to solve the problem directly in front of you.
Yes, the zuck was an absolute beast but he didn’t identify as an entrepreneur, he was an artist that wanted to push his own limits. The money was a byproduct for him.
 

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I think this is more of a "it takes one to know one" kind of thing. You have to know or at least have an idea on how things work in software. If you know how to code, you know your skill level and can see if full stack engineers you encounter are good or not.

Or if you don't know how to code, at least get in an environment where you can work with the wannabe beast engineer you want to work with. Working with them is as close to knowing if that person is really a beast in coding or not.

This is a problem even HR in tech companies encounter. Non-technical hiring managers don't have an idea if the engineers they're hiring are good or bad. They only have the resume and past projects to rely upon. And those things don't show the whole picture of their skill level.
 

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btw software devs are the most sought after and best paid people in todays startup scene.
I should have made it clear that I'm looking for skillful software engineers who are also entrepreneurs - decision-makers, CEOs, not just a cog in the machine.

Start-up coworking spaces are a great idea, thanks Knugs!
 

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Well, what do you want to know?
Say that you`ve found this absolute beast.
What do you need help with and what can you help with?
I'm looking for people with the same values, general goals to improve the world, and technological interests as me. The point is a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas and feedback to accelerate progress.
 

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For what it’s worth I don’t think you need to be an “absolute beast” to be an entrepreneur; you only have to be “good enough” to solve the problem directly in front of you.
Yes, the zuck was an absolute beast but he didn’t identify as an entrepreneur, he was an artist that wanted to push his own limits. The money was a byproduct for him.
I absolutely agree, being an absolute beast is more of a personal desire to realize my potential as a software engineer.
 

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I think this is more of a "it takes one to know one" kind of thing. You have to know or at least have an idea on how things work in software. If you know how to code, you know your skill level and can see if full stack engineers you encounter are good or not.

Or if you don't know how to code, at least get in an environment where you can work with the wannabe beast engineer you want to work with. Working with them is as close to knowing if that person is really a beast in coding or not.

This is a problem even HR in tech companies encounter. Non-technical hiring managers don't have an idea if the engineers they're hiring are good or bad. They only have the resume and past projects to rely upon. And those things don't show the whole picture of their skill level.
Completely agree and I think I do a good job at identifying people at or above my skill level in engineering, entrepreneurship, philosophy, and general thinking skills. The challenge has more to do with finding these particular unicorns who simultaneously share my values and general goals to improve the world through technology.

At the moment these are the strategies I have in mind:
1. Start-up co-working spaces
2. Skimming tech and entrepreneurship conferences for such people and contacting them through social media
3. Bumble for business - very convenient. I've met some really nice entrepreneurs, but not techie.
4. Going to tech and entrepreneurship meetups through the Meetup app.
 

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Hey André!
What's up?

2 of my interests are programming and entrepreneurship! I've actually come across loads of people (mostly online & some offline) who are/were developers, and have turned into entrepreneurs.

Unfortunately, I don't have any good friends (only a few acquaintances) that are skilled developers & also passionate about entrepreneurship.

However, I can tell you how I found out about some of these people.

- Vacationing in Mexico (at the bus stop & asking them for a photo)
- Increasing my developer network on LinkedIn and coming across many of them through my Feed. Then connecting with these people and coming across even more.
- A paid business group I was in
- Emailing this girl who posted some tips on how she started her business and after talking with her she connected me with a developer/entrepreneur.
- Randomly searching for something that I was working on and then coming across numerous blogs of developer/entrepreneurs.
- Some I found from the 12 startups in 12 month challenge
- Reading content/blogs where in developer communities. There are always some who are entrepreneurial.
- Twitter
- Reddit

And let me tell you how many I found by putting something like "looking to connect with people passionate about programming and entrepreneurship" on some of my social profiles.

A big fat ZERO!

In the majority of the cases I was PROACTIVE! That's the only times where I've actually come across such people.

How long have you been trying for? Are you trying to find someone locally or globally? Or are you being really picky in who you are trying to find?
 
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Hey André!
What's up?

2 of my interests are programming and entrepreneurship! I've actually come across loads of people (mostly online & some offline) who are/were developers, and have turned into entrepreneurs.

Unfortunately, I don't have any good friends (only a few acquaintances) that are skilled developers & also passionate about entrepreneurship.

However, I can tell you how I found out about some of these people.

- Vacationing in Mexico (at the bus stop & asking them for a photo)
- Increasing my developer network on LinkedIn and coming across many of them through my Feed. Then connecting with these people and coming across even more.
- A paid business group I was in
- Emailing this girl who posted some tips on how she started her business and after talking with her she connected me with a developer/entrepreneur.
- Randomly searching for something that I was working on and then coming across numerous blogs of developer/entrepreneurs.
- Some I found from the 12 startups in 12 month challenge
- Reading content/blogs where in developer communities. There are always some who are entrepreneurial.
- Twitter
- Reddit

And let me tell you how many I found by putting something like "looking to connect with people passionate about programming and entrepreneurship" on some of my social profiles.

A big fat ZERO!

In the majority of the cases I was PROACTIVE! That's the only times where I've actually come across such people.

How long have you been trying for? Are you trying to find someone locally or globally? Or are you being really picky in who you are trying to find?
Hey David! All good!

Thanks for the reinforcement! I'm expanding my strategies to find such people with your examples, thanks! I feel the same way, proactiveness is the key
 
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Been a full stack / devops for a couple years now, depending on what you mean by "absolute beasts"... I manage multiple availability zones for node.js and golang services.
 

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Step 2: tons of software “beasts” show up
 

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Been a full stack / devops for a couple years now, depending on what you mean by "absolute beasts"... I manage multiple availability zones for node.js and golang services.
Hey 404profound, thanks for reaching out! I've since refined my search to someone with the same values (kind, problem-solver, optimist, rational), interests in tech, general goals to improve the world, and who is also looking for someone with whom to have a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas and feedback to accelerate progress. I'd be happy to connect!
 

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I'm looking for people with the same values, general goals to improve the world, and technological interests as me. The point is a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas and feedback to accelerate progress.
What idea do you need feedback on, share here, we'll brainstorm it, the forum is good for this.
 

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What idea do you need feedback on, share here, we'll brainstorm it, the forum is good for this.
Thanks for opening that space Alex, but I prefer having a more personalized mastermind :) If something big comes up, I'll be sure to ask the forum, thanks
 

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Check out indiehackers. It's a website that caters to the intersection of software devs and entrepreneurs. It's populated by people in all stages of the process.
That's a great idea lowtek, I'll definitely explore that, thanks!
 

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Make friends with someone in marketing - that will take your entrepreneurial career much farther than meeting more tech people.
 
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You could go work for a startup. Probably your best bet.

Think, if you were an "absolute beast", "rockstar", "gun", "weapon", "wizard", or whatever other douchey phrase is flavour of the day for a flashy mid-level wrecking ball dev who often causes more harm than good, who is also an entrepeneur, where would you be?

You'd be either working on your startup, or enjoying your life as a rich tech startup-exited elite. In the first case, they have no interest in hanging out with wannabes, with perhaps the exception of after work drinks or outings with their employees. In the second case, you need to have something else to offer in exchange for them to want to hang out with you, but it's often of little value to you because think: if you were a rich tech elite what would you be doing? Not coding, and probably a lot less entrepeneuring.

So logically seems getting a job at a startup is your best realistic option.

I suppose the entrepeneurial equivalent would be to work out a service that those types often want (although that's chicken & egg) and start a business offering that too them.

A service that connects wrecking ball devs to schools for visiting seminars where they can express their (always) strong opinions on stylistic technicalities etc, which they definitely will enjoy.
 
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Make friends with someone in marketing - that will take your entrepreneurial career much farther than meeting more tech people.
Great advice! My two best friends are marketers and I've learned a great deal from them, particularly through the books they recommended.
 

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Curious, what is your experience with tech?
 

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Curious, what is your experience with tech?
I was a freelance software engineer for about 5 years. Then I fully switched to tutoring college students on computer science because of my love for teaching. I've been doing this for about 15 years.
 

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Make friends with someone in marketing - that will take your entrepreneurial career much farther than meeting more tech people.
I think this is an underrated comment.
 
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Hey 404profound, thanks for reaching out! I've since refined my search to someone with the same values (kind, problem-solver, optimist, rational), interests in tech, general goals to improve the world, and who is also looking for someone with whom to have a mutually beneficial exchange of ideas and feedback to accelerate progress. I'd be happy to connect!
You wouldn't like me, beggars can't be choosers. Peace ;P
 

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