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Is it worth it to become an Accountant?

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I'm diehard entrepreneur and still strongly founded on its entailing beliefs. I guess what I need, is somebody to shed some light for me that accounting isn't all as great as it seems.

"Accountants are and will be in high demand! It's going to be a great career! We'll all make boatloads of cash!"

You're a "diehard entrepreneur" and yet you're that easily coaxed and convinced by the musings of the herd?

IMO, a "diehard entrepreneur" wouldn't give a F*ck what anyone said, let alone a bunch of college kids who don't know any better.

I find it strange that you even need to ask.
 

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Accountants are dirt cheap. Why would you waste multiple years of your life only to guarantee a salary in the 40k range?? I say this now because I am assuming you think this will be useful in entrepreneurship as well, not really.

Even if I could learn to do all of my own taxes in a week it wouldnt be worth it to me. I pay an accountant around 1k per year. I keep my own books. I probably save money in taxes by hiring a guy who does this for a living.

If you are indeed an entrepreneur like you say you are you would see that and say something along the lines of "I can hire and accountant no problem and let someone else learn all of this shit and work for me."

My advice... It may seem useful, but it is not even close to worth the commitment of effort, money and most importantly TIME. Shoot for a basic understanding.
 
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Did you even read TMF ?

Even IF you became a CPA, and started out with a cushy $70k a year salary, it would take you F*cken YEARS to save up $1 million dollars. Not to mention paying back all your tuition. Then your life would be so busy and boring that you will feel the need to lease a BMW or Mercedes, then by the time you know it your in slowlane entrapment for the next 10-20 years.

Did you see the chart in TMF regarding slowlane salaries and time to save up $1 mil?

You can pay people to be your accountant and do accounting magic for your business to pay less taxes or whatever. Focus on learning how to sell.

From a fastlane perspective, the answer is hell NO. Its not worth it to be an accountant. You can hire CPAs and Lawyers to write contracts for you and do accounting magic for you. The time and money ROI is not there.

You wanna know what is worth it? Never having to work another day in your life. Retiring in your 30s. Sleeping at night knowing your investments are fighting for your freedom. Having the freedom to hop on a plane and travel wherever. Knowing you can walk into an exotic car dealership and pay cash. Doing what you love without the need for money. Owing yourself.
 

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is going for the accounting path something to consider?

As I "diehard entrepreneur" I got my degrees in Finance and Marketing -- thought these two would best serve my entreprneurial goals. I can imagine accounting could fit in there somehow, but not in the same degree.

Behind the product, the most important thing in entrepreneurship is sales and marketing...

If you have the BEST product ever, no one will buy it if you cant sell it, or communicate it's value.
If you have the WORST product ever, people will still buy it if you can sell it, or communicate it's value.
 

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However, though I wouldn't take an accounting based career path, as most of us here.. are entrepreneurs, but I will say that the accounting class I did take before I dropped out helped me understand assets = Liabilities + Equity. As well as how to write journals, and all the other things that go along with accounting. Granted I most likely couldn't do it now as I haven't in a while, but we had to balance an entire companies books and journals as a project. Gave me good insight into what it takes to keep a company financially balanced and kept tidy in the records.

Now if I had to do it, I'd either pull out my accounting book, or I'd hire someone to do the journals for me at the end of my companies quarter/year.

TL;DR No, dont waste your time, hire someone to do accounting work for you.
 

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Did you even read TMF ?

Even IF you became a CPA, and started out with a cushy $70k a year salary, it would take you F*cken YEARS to save up $1 million dollars. Not to mention paying back all your tuition. Then your life would be so busy and boring that you will feel the need to lease a BMW or Mercedes, then by the time you know it your in slowlane entrapment for the next 10-20 years.

Did you see the chart in TMF regarding slowlane salaries and time to save up $1 mil?

You can pay people to be your accountant and do accounting magic for your business to pay less taxes or whatever. Focus on learning how to sell.

From a fastlane perspective, the answer is hell NO. Its not worth it to be an accountant. You can hire CPAs and Lawyers to write contracts for you and do accounting magic for you. The time and money ROI is not there.

You wanna know what is worth it? Never having to work another day in your life. Retiring in your 30s. Sleeping at night knowing your investments are fighting for your freedom. Having the freedom to hop on a plane and travel wherever. Knowing you can walk into an exotic car dealership and pay cash. Doing what you love without the need for money. Owing yourself.

What is with this 1 million number and why is it so important? 1 million doesnt change your life.

100m changes your life.
 

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With all due respect it is my opinion that accountants are the professionals that add the least value to our economies.
An accountants basically does not do anything more than recording what we entrepreneurs have achieved.
Unfortunately, the community of accountants have helped in establishing a system that forces most of us to hire one of them to do our (annual) accounts.
It will not be a surprise to you that every payment to my accountant, no matter how small it is, hurts me.
 

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A solid understanding of managerial accounting and finance are very important. How you obtain that knowledge is up to you.
 
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a true trep, would hear all those young kids chirping with excitement

and figure out a way to sell them something that will make them even happier!


:)

Z
 

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Just so I can shut the mouths of a number of people posting here...

But FIRST, I do agree accounting is not "fastlane"...it is just a "skill?" perhaps?

I have an accounting degree... a friend of mine has an accounting degree...I'm in an entire group of "accountants"...

And we're probably more of "entrepreneurs" than 90% of this forum...where as only 10% are "doing it" and 90% are faking it.

But I would call a few group of accountants, aspirational- they don't want the 9-5 grind....(and then the group I am presuming you are all mentioning is the non-aspirational-non-entrepreneurial minded accountants, the 90% of them all)...

Friend, passed the CPA- opened his own firm, his second year he made 3 Million dollars gross so far (this current year)...outsourced work overseas- has 15 employees (including the ones overseas), and spends his time at the park with his fiance, and his laptop. Where he directs his employees in the Philippines and India.

That's an accountant.

How about another guy...
Tom Proulx...he founded Intuit...a software firm developing something in particular that COUNTLESS businesses use...

He has a computer programming degree...aside from that- his "go to" guy...was...... drum roll... an accountant. Both wealthy individuals- now.

Say hello to wealth by using your skills to create and offer value on a wide scale.

Is it worth it to become an accountant? DEPENDS. Accountants, just like doctors, and lawyers, and other esteemed careers- require your individual "time" to offer such service.

Fastlane = removing your time from revenue, and scaling it?....

So... become an accountant (now you know what value to offer)...and scale (the part that no one does...the part only 1-10% of the population in the world does) = WEALTH = Fastlane?

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To sum it up...be mediocre as an accountant and you will receive mediocre results. Be, exceptional, by scaling...and you will make money and live comfortably, if not very comfortably.

Those above are just 2 cases, the first I saw happen first hand. The 2nd, you can just google as to how Intuit became the billion dollar company it did become.

And it only started with 2 people, of whom either had an accounting or programming degree? Sheesh! I have to use my brain, to figure out a new angle, to make a certain knowledge set I have fastlane?

Start from somewhere...some skill or knowledge, once leveraged correctly can make you wealthy.
 

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Say hello to wealth by using your skills to create and offer value on a wide scale.

Is it worth it to become an accountant? DEPENDS. Accountants, just like doctors, and lawyers, and other esteemed careers- require your individual "time" to offer such service.

Fastlane = removing your time from revenue, and scaling it?....

This is the best post that I have read on this forum in awhile.
 
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college kids all talk about the boatloads of money they will be earning and the 70K starting salaries they will be receiving upon graduation.


ya.. good luck with that.
 

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Die hard entrepreneur, huh?

A die hard entrepreneur would never settle to become an "accountant" or yet, waste time following what everyone else is doing.


Up to you though, you just don't sound very convinced about yourself.
 
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Did you guys even read what he posted?

He is asking why other people believe that a CA career is the greatest thing on earth. It doesn't sound to me that he wants to be talked out of it because he is a diehard entrepreneur and doesn't consider becoming an CA at all.

He's asking this question because HE is having doubts about being an 'entrepreneur' and wants someone to tell him that he becoming an accountant is not the way to go. It's called second guessing yourself.
 

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Even IF you became a CPA, and started out with a cushy $70k a year salary, it would take you F*cken YEARS to save up $1 million dollars. Not to mention paying back all your tuition. Then your life would be so busy and boring that you will feel the need to lease a BMW or Mercedes, then by the time you know it your in slowlane entrapment for the next 10-20 years.

This is so right on. And this is IF you pass the CPA exam (50% pass rate), get "lucky" and land a job at one of the big four firms and survive the rounds of layoffs those firms have every few years. Below is an image of what your worklife will look like if you get so lucky.



I think the choice is clear.

Good luck!
 
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My father is a CPA. He's owned his own accounting firm for years now. He got hired there when he was 26, worked his way to the top, and is now the owner. He makes a very nice living and was able to provide well for my two brothers, mother, and myself. He owns two homes (not outright), multiple vehicles, and lots of property. He now makes 200- 275k per year depending on how his year goes.

He hates his life during tax season. He missed 85% of my wrestling matches when I was in high school, and won't be able to retire till he's about 65.

Its a great Slowlaner job. Go out there and make your own wealth. Make 200k per month.
 

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There is one fantastic perk about being an accountant for small businesses so I'm told by friends. When one of your clients sells their business they tell their accountant first, giving you "first dibs" on it. Since you take care of the company's books you know if the business is profitable and worth your investment. With the generation of baby boomers retiring over the next 5-10 years, there are going to be alot of VERY profitable small businesses open for sale.
 

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To clarify - I'm NOT pursuing accounting career. The work hours (60 - 90 hours per week of YOUR time) are a major turnoff and the actual work is not something I'd find myself passionate about.

Yesterday, I attended a CA Information Session (for my Co-Op program). Out of curiousity, I attended just to see what the hype behind the CA path is all about. The common goal for everybody in that room is a simple one: become a CA and make tons of money. Needless to say, the room was filled with young and ambitious future accountants, proclaiming that CA is the path to go. After the session, I was in discussion with some of the attendees. It was difficult for me to argue my reasoning why CA surely isn't the path to go. Of course, when you're debating against a whole bunch of young and ambitious future accountants, the odds aren't in your favour. One of the their main points was that accountants will be in high demand in the near future because baby boomer accountants are going to retire and there is going to be an unfilled space of accountants.

So, that's why I posted up this thread. TREP

Trep. People in my profession said the same thing about the baby boomers. They were all going to retire soon and that would pave the way to high salaries and bonuses. Two things happened.

1) The baby boomers did not retire. A lot of baby boomers are horrible with money. They based their retirement on best case scenarios and when the recession hit half their net value was wiped out at least. Tons of baby boomers are divorced and or childless making it harder to retire. They love to spend money. A lot of these baby boomers will work until the day they die.

2) The companies saw the same thing the prospective employees saw, so they took action. They imported a lot of foreign grads. They sponsored more students to graduate in my field. They sponsored more colleges. Guess what has happened now. There is now an over supply of grads in my field and that is putting downward pressure on wages and job security.

Companies rely on keeping their workforce expenses stable, as there is only a certain profit margin built into products or services. If there is any non CEO employee that is getting above market rates, companies will take action to reduce those costs.

This is no different than how a company sees manufacturing costs. What do you think Apple would do if their screen prices doubled? They would take action to return their costs to market rates or they would go out of business.


Engaging in job arbitrage is a poor reason to pick a job, and the decision gets worse the longer you have to go to school for because your costs in time and money go up. In my opinion, accounting is a vulnerable slow lane job because it can and will be outsourced to India.
 

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My brother-in-law got a "good job" with one of the world's big 3 firms. Yeah, he brings home a good salary for a 26 year old, he gets e-mails from recruiters every other day, but at the end of the day, he works his a$$ off. He doesn't come home until 8 or 9 o clock sometimes, and that's NOT during the busy season.

Edit: I forgot to say that he lives in Canada and sometimes has to go 10 hours NORTH to do audits, etc, for weeks at a time. That blows. It's cold up there!

Sorry, but if I'm clocking 12-14 hour days, it's in my own business - I'm not lining anyone else's pockets with my eternal soul, thank you very much. Thank god my BIL and my sister don't have any kids, so he's only neglecting his dog and cat...lol.

That said, not everyone is made to be an entrepreneur. I believe that for the foreseeable future, being a (GOOD) accountant is a great way to stay employed, if that's what you want. There are a few other careers like this (programming, etc... you'll always be employed, if you want to be, for the time being).

As long as we have governments (and the regulations that come along with them) and taxes, we'll need accountants to make sure we're following the law.

To the OP, I don't fault your curiosity for wondering what all the fuss is about. It could possibly show that you are just a smart person who wants to know a lot of stuff, which is a good quality in an entrepreneur. We should be learning all the time. But I hope that, if you really do believe that you want to be an entrepreneur, you realize that there are better and quicker ways to get to where those other students want to go.
 
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Any business major in a University (finance, marketing, accounting, logistics, management, etc.) is all well and good, but those majors are NOT going to teach you what you ACTUALLY need to know to be successful in the real world as an entrepreneur. Colleges train you to be an EMPLOYEE, not an EMPLOYER.

The purpose of college: to mass-manufacture office drones that will trade 5 days of slavery for 2 days of freedom while the only person getting wealthy is their employer.

Wealth is a dream, and will remain just that - a DREAM - for the rest of your life if you are an employee...

With all that being said, I can slightly relate to you, as I am currently a senior in college studying Accounting. It's most definitely not the easiest business major, and it takes a lot of time to be successful in. I chose to study Accounting because (a) I go to college for free (probably the biggest thing) (b) It's a beneficial thing to have knowledge of when pursuing my FastLane ventures (c) I can use the degree to make some income IF I HAD TO while pursuing my FastLane ventures.

People above have said that Accounting is a commodity; it is. People above said working in the Accounting field is terrible with long hours and hard work; that is absolutely true... A regular Accounting job violates all of the FastLane Commandments: Need, Entry, Control, Scale, Time.

The reply I think you should focus most on here is MJ's:

As I "diehard entrepreneur" I got my degrees in Finance and Marketing -- thought these two would best serve my entreprneurial goals. I can imagine accounting could fit in there somehow, but not in the same degree.

Behind the product, the most important thing in entrepreneurship is sales and marketing...

If you have the BEST product ever, no one will buy it if you cant sell it, or communicate it's value.
If you have the WORST product ever, people will still buy it if you can sell it, or communicate it's value.

This is the most important piece of information in this thread in my opinion.

When I'm not studying accounting, I'm voraciously consuming marketing, advertising, copywriting, and sales books (these are things that you can learn on your own and don't need a college degree for). Yes I'm in college getting a degree, yes I'm in a SlowLane major, and yes I have to spend some of my valuable time studying to succeed in college. BUT, I am not getting into debt paying for a worthless college degree, and I'm building PROCESS for my FastLane ventures every spare moment I get outside of class, which leaves me with nothing but FREEDOM to do what I want when I graduate.

One more thing....a required-reading for you: read The Millionaire Fastlane : Crack the Code to Wealth and Live Rich for a Lifetime
 

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I didn't read through this thread but here are my thoughts on being an accountant/CPA. I am a CPA and started my career at the Big 4.

Pros
- It is easy to get a job at the Big 4 as long as you have the grades (3.2 GPA+) to back it up.
- Starting salary depending on where you live is decent. In Virginia, it was close to $60k. This was pretty good when you are only 22 years old. If you are decent, you can quickly make $100k in 6 years. At 28, making $100k isn't too shabby.
- My average raise was 8%. Do the math and you can get to a $100k salary pretty quickly.
- You are marketable and can easy find another job. If you were to quit today to focus on your fastlane business, you would be able to go back to working at a job very easily if you choose to.

Cons
- Hours are crazy high so it may be difficult to run a fastlane business
- It is not fastlane
- No matter what type of service you open up (CPA firm), you just created your own job. However, I can see creating some type of accounting or tax e-book, or running a software related to accounting can be fastlane.
 
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Everyone I know who's studying accounting goes into it for the job security. It is relatively secure because it'll be in high demand. Accountants make lots of money? It's honestly the first time I've ever heard of that.

My grandmother was an accountant until retirement & her advice to me was to "be anything you want, ANYTHING, except an accountant; it's so motherf@%king boring."
 

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Everybody in my university program is striving to become a Chartered Accountant.

"Accountants are and will be in high demand! It's going to be a great career! We'll all make boatloads of cash!"

...is typically what I hear.

So - my question is; is going for the accounting path something to consider? Don't get me wrong - I'm diehard entrepreneur and still strongly founded on its entailing beliefs. I guess what I need, is somebody to shed some light for me that accounting isn't all as great as it seems. TREP

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To clarify - I'm NOT pursuing accounting career. The work hours (60 - 90 hours per week of YOUR time) are a major turnoff and the actual work is not something I'd find myself passionate about.

Yesterday, I attended a CA Information Session (for my Co-Op program). Out of curiousity, I attended just to see what the hype behind the CA path is all about. The common goal for everybody in that room is a simple one: become a CA and make tons of money. Needless to say, the room was filled with young and ambitious future accountants, proclaiming that CA is the path to go. After the session, I was in discussion with some of the attendees. It was difficult for me to argue my reasoning why CA surely isn't the path to go. Of course, when you're debating against a whole bunch of young and ambitious future accountants, the odds aren't in your favour. One of the their main points was that accountants will be in high demand in the near future because baby boomer accountants are going to retire and resultingly, there is going to be an unfilled space of accountants.

So, that's why I posted up this thread. TREP
 
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Did you guys even read what he posted?

So - my question is; is going for the accounting path something to consider? Don't get me wrong - I'm diehard entrepreneur and still strongly founded on its entailing beliefs. I guess what I need, is somebody to shed some light for me that accounting isn't all as great as it seems. TREP

He is asking why other people believe that a CA career is the greatest thing on earth. It doesn't sound to me that he wants to be talked out of it because he is a diehard entrepreneur and doesn't consider becoming an CA at all.
 
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This is so right on. And this is IF you pass the CPA exam (50% pass rate), get "lucky" and land a job at one of the big four firms and survive the rounds of layoffs those firms have every few years. Below is an image of what your worklife will look like if you get so lucky.



I think the choice is clear.

Good luck!

wow
 
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I agree with the guy that said do marketing instead
 

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