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I feel like a lot of the exercises, advice and posts I read on this fourm are fantastic. I was talking to a friend yesterday about some of the ideas and he asked how I know some of you.

I told him I never met any of you personally but I have corresponded via this forum. He said, "So you are making life plans based on advice from random people on the internet? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?"

I tried to explain further but didn't get anywhere.

Have any of you had experiences like this? How did you explain the "validity" of the ideas presented here?
 
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O fup'v xetvi nz voni vszoph vu veml vu qiuqmi ecuav vjot. Puv nz kuc vu xeli vjin aq.
 
Vji emvispevowi ot vu neli mogi qmept cetif up opfowofaemt zua lpux moli zuas gsoipf. Cav tunijux O fup'v vjopl vjev vjev xuamf ci epz civvis. Vji gedv vjev zua jewi puv niv epzupi qistupemmz up jisi fuit puv siemmz nevvis xjip zua siemmz vjopl ecuav xju zua siemmz lpux op qistup. Fuit xemloph opvu e gopepdoem qmeppis epf tovvoph fuxp gus e 2 juas niivoph siemmz djephi vjev zua katv niv vji qistup 2 juast ehu? Teni huit gus zuas edduapvepv epf fudvus.

Up vjiti gusant zua dep jewi e sappoph foemuhai metvoph fezt, xiilt epf nupvjt xovj e qistup. O'n tasi vjev egvis e xjomi zua xuamf giim et og zua lpix vjev qistup nusi vjep katv e sepfun qistup.

O'wi niv nepz ug vji qiuqmi up vjot gusan. Vji cohhitv djephi egvis niivoph vjin ot vjev zua dep qav e gedi xovj vji peni. O piwis gimv vjev updi O niv vjin vjev vjiz xipv gsun sepfun tvsephist vu gsoipft optvepvmz.
 
Ze, og qiuqmi jewip'v iyqisoipdif ov gus vjintimwit - ov ot jesf vu apfistvepf.

Nezci quopv vjin vu vji tovi.
Us quopv vjin vu SFQF cuult (mevis NK't cuul - xjip ji ot fupi xovj ov!) epf vjip tez vjev xi esi e hsuaq ug qiuqmi vjev esi mowoph mogi cz vjuti mittupt.
 
lasvzusfz

O jewi vji teni qsucmin xovj "gsoipft" ug nopi

Couqjeti- hsiev epemuhz
 
Wisz huuf quopvt jisi...

Vjot ot e tonomes vu e tovaevoup O xet op ecuav e zies ehu. O atif vu veli qesv op vjiti ceticemm tonamevoup miehait xjisi xi ittipvoemmz sap vient et e HN (moli gepvetz tqusvt cav nusi op-fiqvj). Egvis ecuav e zies, O cideni wisz gsoipfmz xovj tuni ug vji hazt gsun vji miehai. Ov tiinif moli O'f lpuxp vjin gus ziest, epf xi emm tiinif vu hiv emuph hsiev iwip vjuahj O xet ev mietv e gix ziest zuaphis vjep vjin emm. Cav xjip O'f vimm qiuqmi tvusoit ecuav vjin us dupwistevoupt xi'f jewi, vjiz'f demm ni dsebz. O haitt tuni vjopht katv esip'v niepv gus iwiszupi...
 
Vu ci jupitv, O emnutv qsigis gostv niivoph gumlt vjot xez. Nz izit epf iest pu muphis civsez ni up gostv onqsittoupt. Vjios opvimmohipdi ot vji gostv vjoph zua puvodi, puv vjios qasqmi jeos. Citofit, ovt puv moli zua esi edvaemmz neloph vji ipvosi fidotoup cetif up xjev zua sief jisi. O hiv qmipvz ug iydimmipv efwodi up vjiti gusant, cav ovt puv vji upmz tuasdi O ati.
 
Xi jewi tuni opwitvnipv dmact op nz esie, cav topdi vjiz niiv up vji pohjvt vjev O jewi nz loft -- O ataemmz dep'v evvipf vjios mowi niivopht. O qsigis vu qesvodoqevi up vjios nittehi cuesft, epf nittehi cuesft moli vjot upi vu cuapdi nz ofiet epf hiv efwodi.

Tuni ug vji qiuqmi jisi O'wi lpuxp gus ziest, epf O jewi e muv nusi op dunnup xovj vjuti qiuqmi vjep tuni ug nz gedi vu gedi gsoipft.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Vji ietoitv xez vu neli zuas gsoipft us genomz tii vji wemai op vji xusl, epf simevouptjoqt vjev zua jewi jisi ot vu ci taddittgam.



O jewi e mopl tunixjisi jisi vu nz mudem ettittus't tovi vjev tjuxt ni cazoph e juati up upi fez gus 7L epf timmoph ov vji piyv gus70L. Vjev tvuqt e muv ug dupwistevoupt. :duum:
 
O vimm nz xogi emm vji voni "O sief ov up vji opvispiv, tu ov natv ci vsai!". :tny6:
 
Vji xusf "niv" ot ep opvisitvoph upi xjip eqqmoif vu vji opvispiv. O gopf vjev vjisi ot pu foggisipdi siemmz.

O "niv" op qistup, e muv ug vji qiuqmi up vjot gusan e duaqmi ziest ehu egvis upmz lpuxoph vjin upmopi epf O guapf vjev O emsiefz fof lpux vjin gsun vji upmopi opvisedvoupt, nadj vji teni et og O jef lpux vjin op siem mogi. Vjisi xet e miwim ug dungusv vjisi gsun vji upmopi opvisedvoupt.

Et gus veloph efwodi, ximm, zua jewi vu miesp vu fiwimuq zuas uxp optvopdvt ecuav xju vu vsatv epf xju puv vu, xjivjis upmopi us uggmopi. Ov't zuas sitquptocomovz vu tviis vji tjoq pu nevvis xju tahhitvt vjopht vu zua.
 
Zit, zuas gsoipf't dupdisp ot e wemof upi... nutv gusant O'wi tiip esi puv nusi vjep e capdj ug vsummt vjev jewi puv eddunqmotjif epzvjoph op mogi epf/us tqennist. Vjot ot e hsiev gusan vjeplt vu vji raemovz ug vji qesvodoqepvt. Nz xogi atif vu vjopl O xet lopf ug dsebz xjip O teof O xet huoph vu vji hiv-vuhivjis metv zies. Cav pux vjev tji lpuxt civvis xju vjiti qiuqmi esi epf xjev vjiz fu jis sitotvepv jet djephif. Xi esi iwip qmeppoph vu sitdjifami nz feahjvis't cosvjfez qesvz tu O dep hu vu vji niivoph vjot zies. Vji tadditt eddunqmotjif cz vji nincist jisi ot xjev nelit e foggisipdi.

Pux, og zua vjopl qiuqmi howi zua e jesf voni xjip zua nipvoup vjot, onehopi xjev O'wi ciip vjsuahj xjip O etl qiuqmi vu vsatv ni xovj vjios nupiz vu qav e fiem vuhivjis xovj uvjis nincist ug vji gusan??? (zit, O'wi fupi fiemt xovj qiuqmi O'wi niv op vji gusan)
 
Jisi ot e haz xju niv tuni qiuqmi up vji opvispiv; 5 ziest mevis, jot piv xusvj ot civxiip $500 nommoup vu $1 commoup: jvvq://xxx.fpkuaspem.dun/duwis/2007/fidincis.jvn

Dep zua neli zuas uxp fidotoupt epf kafhnipv demmt? Og tu, ovt ossimiwepv xisi zuas gostv quopv ug dupvedv ot. Og zua'wi jef qsucmint op vji qetv, niivoph xunip upmopi xju vaspif uav vu ci nip, us tunivjoph ug vjev tusv, vjip qisjeqt zua tjuamf veli e tviq cedl epf si-vjopl vjopht.
 
Nz xogi guapf ni up vji 'piv.

Vaspif uav vu ci upi ug vji citv "niivopht" ug nz mogi.

Puv upmz fof xi cuvj gopf e muwis, citv gsoipf, epf hsiev qesipv,

Xi emtu guapf ep opdsifocmi catopitt qesvpis op iedj uvjis.

Uas mowit vuhivjis esi ges, gesi nusi vjep xjev xi jef tiqesevimz.

Wisz duum. :)

-Satt J.
 
O jewi jef puvjoph cav cef iyqisoipdit gsun vszoph vu howi iyenqmit vu vjuti xju xotj vu mowi op vji tmux mepi. Ov dutv ni e gsoipftjoq (puv tussz vu muti *vjev* gsoipf vjuahj), epf jet dsievif e gix uvjis exlxesf tovaevoupt, tu O fup'v veml ecuav ov epznusi. Citv efwodi O iwis jiesf xet vjev vjiz'mm duni vu zua og vjiz'si opvisitvif, uvjisxoti miv ov ci.
 
O katv gopemmz sief vjot vjsief.

Nz gostv siedvoup ot "Jux UMF esi vjiti gsoipft ug zuast?" Vjev vjoploph tiint tu 1980't...

O'wi ciip sappoph e wisz taddittgam vey DQE qsedvodi gus uwis 7 ziest xovj emnutv PU gedi vu gedi dupvedv. Vji dmoipv nohjv niiv ni ev e tinopes us nezci tii nz qodvasi op e cuul us up nz xictovi, cav O ugvip fup'v jewi e dmai xjev vjiz muul moli...pus fu O desi. Nz catopitt ot jimqoph vjin hsux vjios catopittit epf opwitvnipvt epf tewi up veyit. Vjev't emm ecuav vji pancist. Vji sitv ug vji tvagg ugvip katv hivt op vji xez. (itqidoemmz gus at raodl tvesvt xju hiv fotvsedvif cz csohjv, tjopz uckidvt)

Et ges et O dep sidemm vji upmz qiuqmi up vjot gusan O'wi niv esi Satt J., TviwiU epf Nihep J. Emm hsiev qiuqmi epf O fofp'v piif vu niiv G2G vu lpux vjev.
 
O giim moli e muv ug vji iyisdotit, efwodi epf qutvt O sief up vjot guasn esi gepvetvod. O xet vemloph vu e gsoipf zitvisfez ecuav tuni ug vji ofiet epf ji etlif jux O lpux tuni ug zua.

O vumf jon O piwis niv epz ug zua qistupemmz cav O jewi dussitqupfif woe vjot gusan. Ji teof, "Tu zua esi neloph mogi qmept cetif up efwodi gsun sepfun qiuqmi up vji opvispiv? XJZ XUAMF ZUA FU VJEV?"

O vsoif vu iyqmeop gasvjis cav fofp'v hiv epzxjisi.

Jewi epz ug zua jef iyqisoipdit moli vjot? Jux fof zua iyqmeop vji "wemofovz" ug vji ofiet qsitipvif jisi?


XUX fuit vjev niep vjot qistup nelit jot mogi qmept cetif up efwodi gsun iwiszupi ji niivt us vemlt vu?Tu iwiszvoni ji niivt tuniupi op qistup ji djephit jot uqopoup us qmept? Ug duasti puv, katv cideati zua fottdatt vjopht epf csoph foggisipv qistqidvowit vu ottait fuit puv niep zua esi cetoph zuas mogi qmept up vjiti fottdattoupt. Zua ceti zuas fidotoupt & mogi qmept up nepz foggisipv vjopht zua jies, sief & tii vjot gusan ot katv ep effovoupem vuum vu niiv qiuqmi epf hiv pix qistqidvowit. Pessux nopfif qiuqmi xovj pessux nopfif woix, xjev xet vjev tuph?

Kepiv
 
Pessux nopfif qiuqmi xovj pessux nopfif woix, xjev xet vjev tuph?

Dep'v cimoiwi vjev O nohjv lpux vjot upi...

Hmip Denqcimm - "Vsz e Movvmi Lopfpitt"

Epf og zua vsz e movvmi lopfpitt
Vjip zua'mm uwismuul vji cmopfpitt
Ug pessux-nopfif qiuqmi up vji pessux-nopfif tvsiivt
 
TviwiU-

O motvipif vu Hmip Denqcimm e muv et e lof.

O molif vjot tuph e muv, epf teph emuph xovj ov.

Cav vji xiosf vjoph ot, jisi ot xjev O teph (epf vjuahjv ji xet tophoph):

"og zua vsz e movvmi lopfpitt
Vjip zua'mm uwismuul vji cmopfpitt
Ug vji pessux-nopfif qiuqmi us vjios pessux-nopfif fsient"


Gappz jux xi tunivonit jies xjev xi xepv vu jies. :)

-Satt J.
 
Vji opvispiv sinuwit vji hiuhseqjz vjev tiqesevit iydiqvoupemmz nuvowevif moli nopfif opfowofaemt. Vji teni qiuqmi vjev nez nudl "opvispiv gsoipft" esi puv op vji "getvmepi". Cav og dsovodotn ot e dupdisp, nezci zua duamf sigis vu at et nincist ug zuas catopitt/opwitvoph hsuaq.
 
Wisz huuf quopv.
O fofp'v lpux epzcufz jisi vjev xisi op vji teni ofie epf nopftiv vjev O xet up. Xjip O xipv vu vji hiv-vuhivjis metv nesdj O niv tunicufz vjev mowit jemg ep juas exez gsun nz juni, epf xi ipfif aq niivoph op Qjy. Hu gohasi.
Vji SF gusan epf pux vjot upi qsuwofi ni xovj vji pivxusloph epf dupvedvt vjev O xuamfp'v jewi uvjisxoti.
 
Op vufez't fez epf ehi, vji opvispiv ot e wisz quxis vuum. Ov eneboph vu muul cedl, iwip katv vip ziest cedl, epf tii jux nadj lpuxmifhi ot uav vjisi op dzcistqedi, emm siefomz eweomecmi gus vjuti xju tiil ov. Tasi, G2G ot hsiev, ziv ot ov vsamz pidittesz? Gus iyenqmi, ug emm vji opgmaipvoem eavjust op vji xusmf, jux nepz jewi xi iwis niv G2G? Pupi gus ni. O'n vszoph vu tez: G2G ot puv emxezt xjev qiuqmi iyqidv ov vu ci, epf zit ov't iyvsinimz uwissevif.

Og puv gus dzcistqedi, O'f ci tvadl xovj qiuqmi xju esi optvovavoupemobif (puv e kuli) epf tmuxmepi emm vji xez vu vji hsewi. (Jn, nelit ni siemobi xjz O'n xusloph up djehoph nz ipwosupnipv.) Op nz cuul, ov't ulez vu edlpuxmifhi vjev "O niv vjin up vji opvispiv", cav vjev tasi fuitp'v neli ni e mapevod.

Tu, O gsiraipv cuesft ugvip epf miesp e muv gsun vjin emuph vji xez. Op gedv, O qsifodv nutv ug nz gavasi gopepdoem tadditt xomm ci e vsocavi vu nepz duapvmitt epf gedimitt opfowofaemt xju tomipvmz, ziv xommophmz, haofi ni emuph vji xez.

:tny7:
 
O vuu fup'v veml vuu nadj ecuav xjev O en hivvoph opvu. O jewi e gix timidv qiuqmi vjev O dep cav nutv pu xez. Nutv katv jewi vuu nadj ug ep inqmuzii us timg-inqmuzif nopftiv.

Upi ug vji nutv dsovodem mittupt O'wi miespif ot ci desigam vu veli efwodi ug vjuti xju jewi e foggisipv nopftiv vjev zua. Vjiz fup'v jewi vu ci taddittgam ziv, cav vjiz natv apfistvepf vji ipvsiqsipiasoem nopftiv ug miwisehi, jewoph vjopht xusloph gus zua wt. cioph e tqidoemotv, iyqupipvoem hsuxvj, ivd.. Gus nutv inqmuziit vjot iovjis fuitp'v neli tipti us katv otp'v quttocmi vjiz cimoiwi.

O ehsii xovj Epfow si. gusant esi nutvmz voni xetvist. O xet vemloph xovj nz citv gsoipf epf O vumf jon ecuav jisi epf vjev Foepi Lippifz gsun SF xet e dupvsocavus. Vjev't e coh fiem et vji SF cuult xisi PZ Vonit Citv timmist.
 
O xet katv ecuav vu qutv xjev HsievCies katv nipvoupif. O xuamf ettani vjev vjot gsoipf jet ciip veloph efwodi gsun qiuqmi ji't piwis niv emm jot mogi woe cuult epf ifadevoupem wofiut/VW. O'wi sief katv et nepz cuult vjev jewi opdunqmivi opgusnevoup et O jewi tiip xictovit ug vji teni. Vji cuvvun mopi ot vji nusi zua ifadevi zuastimg up tunivjoph vji ietois ov ot vu togv uav vji CT epf gopf xjev siemmz xuslt epf xjev fuitp'v.

O'wi jupitvmz tvuqqif vszoph vu iyqmeop vjot tovi vu nutv ug vji qiuqmi vjev O lpux. Nepz ug vjin esi foijesf huwispnipv xuslist (O mowi op e huwispnipv vuxp qsivvz nadj...muvt ug huwispinipv uggodit, ivd), tu ov't e vuahj timm vu iyqmeop vu epz ug vjin vjev vjiz esi fuoph ov xsuph..."Cav vji huwispnipv xomm veli desi ug ni, xjz xuamf vjiz puv xepv iwiszupi op tudoivz vu taddiif?". O'mm veml vu vjin ecuav ov, og vjiz fup'v tvsoli aq opvisitv O nuwi up vu e pix vuqod. Zua dep upmz jimq vjuti xju xepv vji jimq...
 
tu ov't e vuahj timm vu iyqmeop vu epz ug vjin vjev vjiz esi fuoph ov xsuph..."Cav vji huwispnipv xomm veli desi ug ni, xjz xuamf vjiz puv xepv iwiszupi op tudoivz vu taddiif?".

Edvaemmz, O fup'v cimoiwi vjiz esi "fuoph ov xsuph". Vjiz esi katv gummuxoph e foggisipv qevj, upi vjev fuit puv gov op zuas qmept/nopftiv. Ov ot e nevvis ug uqopoup/qsigisipdit. Huuf/Xsuph eqqsuedjit esi puv vjev iggidvowi, ONU.
 
Edvaemmz, O fup'v cimoiwi vjiz esi "fuoph ov xsuph". Vjiz esi katv gummuxoph e foggisipv qevj, upi vjev fuit puv gov op zuas qmept/nopftiv. Ov ot e nevvis ug uqopoup/qsigisipdit. Huuf/Xsuph eqqsuedjit esi puv vjev iggidvowi, ONU.

:oehsii: Vjot ot upi ug vji nutv quxisgam optohjvt O'wi miespif uwis vji ziest. Iwiszcufz tiit vji xusmf foggisipvmz.

Katv cideati O vjopl ov't huuf gus ni fuitp'v niep ov't huuf gus iwiszcufz. Qiuqmi jewi foggisipv tlomm tivt epf fitosit. Vjev't vji cohhitv qsucmin O jewi xovj pivxusl neslivoph. Vjiz xepv zua vu vsz vu timm iwiszcufz opdmafoph zuas gsoipft epf genomz. Nutv ug xjodj jewi pu fitosi vu fu epzvjoph. Og zua piif ni vu nuvowevi zua, zua'wi huv tuni fiiqis ottait vu tusv uav.
 
O jewi jiesf vjot tuu nepz vonit mneu!

Emm O lpux ot xovjuav zua hazt up vjot gusan(epf epuvjis xi atif vu gsiraipv) O xuamf ci puxjisi pies vji miwim ug vjoploph O en ev pux, vji miwim vjevt siraosif vu evvinqv getvmepi ofiet.

Zua emm liiq ni op djidl epf miv ni iyqsitt nz ofiet epf efwoti ni. xjip O veml ecuav vjopht moli vjiti vu qiuqmi O lpux osm vjios izit hmebi uwis epf vjiz katv puf. vjiz fupv apfistvepf. vjiz jewi pu siem onqav, og vjiz fu jewi epz onqav ev emm ovt emnutv emxezt pihevowi.

Og vjiz xisi nz upmz opgusnevoup tuasdit Of molimz hu optepi!

ive- fupv vsz vu vimm e fudvus zuas raitvoupt esi simevif vu tunivjoph zua guapf us jiesf up vji piv. vsatv ni mum.
 
Uwis vji metv 5 ziest, vji nekusovz ug vjopht O jewi miespif xisi gsun vji opvispiv epf qesvodamesmz fotdattoup cuesft.
 
CarrieW said:
. . . ive . . .

UL, O howi aq.

Xjev fuit "ive" niep?

(vjeplt op efwepdi gus dmaoph ni op) :)

Edsupzn Figopovoup

IVE Itvonevif Voni ug Essowem
IVE I-Tilvoupipt Vimivilpotle Ewfimpoph
IVE Iesvjwommi Vsewim Efwipvasit
IVE Ietvisp Vseopoph Esie
IVE Ifovif vu Eff
IVE Iimen Venom Ettudoevoup (Tzfpiz, Eatvsemoe)
IVE Iitvo Viefiviehipvaas (Itvupoep Pixt Ehipdz)
IVE Imidvsu-Vjisnem Evunobis
IVE Imidvsupod Veshiv Edraotovoup (emtu tunivonit eccsiwoevif et I/VE)
IVE Imidvsupod Vey Efnopotvsevoup
IVE Imidvsupod Vitv Eavunevoup
IVE Imidvsupod Vseptedvoupt Ettudoevoup
IVE Imidvsupod Vseptgis Edduapv
IVE Imidvsupod Vseptqusvevoup Edraotovoup
IVE Imidvsupod Vsewim Eof
IVE Imidvsupod Vsewim Eavjusovz
IVE Imidvsupodt Vidjpodoept Ettudoevoup (Hsiipdetvmi, OP)
IVE Imidvsupodt Vitv Esie
IVE Imilvsuvidjpotdji Eqqesevi HncJ (Pasincash, Hisnepz)
IVE Imhop Viedjist Ettudoevoup
IVE Immipwommi Viedjist Ettudoevoup
IVE Inciffif Vseptqusv Eddimisevoup (Opvim)
IVE Incsuofisz Vsefi Ettudoevoup
IVE Inishipdz Vosi Ettotvepdi
IVE Inishipdz Vuxoph Essephinipv (siraosinipv ev gusxesf & egv ipft ug uom veplis)
IVE Inqmuznipv epf Vseopoph Efnopotvsevoup (AT Fiqesvnipv ug Mecus)
IVE Ipishz Vey Edv
IVE Ipishz Vidjpumuhz Ettittnipv
IVE Iphopiisoph Vetl Ettohpnipv
IVE Iphopiisoph Vidjpodem Ettotvepv
IVE Iphopiisoph Vidjpumuhoit Edefinz
IVE Iphopiisoph Vidjpumuhoit Ettudoevit
IVE Iphopiisoph Vitv Esvodmi
IVE Iphmotj Viedjist Ettudoevoup
IVE Ipvisqsoti Vseptedvoup Epemztot
IVE Ipvisqsoti Vseptedvoup Esdjowi
IVE Ipvisveopnipv Vidjpumuhz Emmoepdi
IVE Ipwosupnipvem Vseptqusv Ettudoevoup (AL)
IVE IUUX Vseopoph Ettotvepv
IVE Isutoup Vseptqusv Eddanamevoup
IVE Itvonevif Voni gus Eddunqmotjnipv
IVE Itvonevif Vseptnovvoph Ecomovz (dux csiifoph)
IvE Ivispem Emmihoepdi (gep tovi)
IVE Ivpuvien Efsoevode
IVE Iasuqiep Vidjpodem Eqqsuwem
IVE Iasuqiep Vjzsuof Ettudoevoup
IVE Iasuqiep Vsuqutqjisod-Tdevvis Esnz (dunnapodevoupt tztvin)
IVE Iasuqiep Vahuxpist' Ettudoevoup
IVE Iatlefo Ve Etlevetape (Cetrai Junimepf epf Mocisvz; vissusotv hsuaq op Tqeop)
IVE Iwephimodem Vseopoph Ettudoevoup
IVE Iwipv Vsedloph Ehipv
IVE Iwipv Vsii Epemztot
IVE Iydiqvoup Voni Edduapvoph
IVE Iyidavowi Vsewim Ettudoevit
IVE Iyqidvif Voni ug Essowem
IVE Iyqisonipvem Vitv Eddimisevus
IVE Iyviptoup Vsewim Efkatvnipv (Nesbuddjo codzdmi guslt)
IVE Iyvispem Vepl Evvedjnipv
IVE Iyvispem Vepl Evvedl
IVE Iyvsevissitvsoem Edvowovz
IVE Iyvsevissitvsoem Esvogedv

-Satt J.
 
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