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How should I do the design process?

Discussion in 'Product Creation, Inventing, Importing, Sourcing' started by Will-v-the-World, Jul 18, 2018.

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    I mean a manufacturing plan; I am assuming that you have something that will need to be easily transferable and easily comprehensible at the hands of say a chinese supplier for instance. Manufacturing plan will consist of what needs to be done from start to finish; In other words a D P A R (design process analyzation/assembly review)
     
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    OH YEAH, forgot to tell you guys how it went.

    So I met up with the engineer and talked to him about what he could do, what he has done, blah blah. In the end, he said that he would design the product be done in about a week.

    We still haven't really talked about payment, but I'm pretty sure we both know he'll be getting a percentage of the first sales' profit.

    Overall, I think it went really well. So now, what are the next steps? I'll have an in-depth design. Do I go to a patent lawyer?
     
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    Why? Usually an engineer will charge by the hour; why are you assuming giving equity do you not have funds to pay him hourly??? This is not a good start. IN the future, always discuss labour rates/costs upfront or else things can get ugly. DO NOT ever give up equity unless you have no other means of payment.


    Before you invest another dollar or minute of your time, use this search engine to make sure your idea hasn't already been patented
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    Fees vary depending on the type of patent application you submit. Fees may also vary according to the way you "claim" your invention. More information on filing fees and the number and type of claims.

    There are three basic fees for utility patents:

    • The filing fee, which is non-refundable whether or not a patent is granted. (This is the cost to have your invention "examined" by the US Patent and Trademark Office - remember, you may or may not get a patent!)
    • The issue fee (you pay this only if your application is allowed)
    • Maintenance fees (paid at 3 1/2, 7 1/2, and 11 1/2 years after your patent is granted - these fees "maintain" your legal protection).
    • Additional fees may be required.
    USPTO Fee Schedule

    There are three kinds of patents available through the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office(USPTO):

    1. Utility patent: protects a new or useful invention

    By law, inventors can only obtain utility patents on specific kinds of inventions. In general, inventors cannot patent unmodified natural products, abstract ideas or algorithms unconnected to real world applications.

    2. Provisional patent: secures a temporary, one-year patent-pending status

    The inventor must file a utility patent application before the end of the year to maintain patent pending as of the provisional filing date.

    3. Design patent: protects an ornamental design

    Design patent applications are only for ornamental design. Design patents cannot protect any functional benefit that the design may confer.

    The USPTO charges fees based on the size of the applicant. Large companies need to pay more.

    Step 2. Document, Document, Document

    Inventing happens in two steps: 1) conceiving the invention, and 2) reducing it to practice. Be sure to document both steps. For example, if your invention is a new machine made from combining two existing machines, then you must document when you had the idea to combine the machines to show conception.

    Reduction to practice means taking that idea and making it work. For the combination of the two machines, you must document how to successfully combine them. Include proof the invention works and some alternative approaches. Include a schematic, drawing or photo of the combined machine and possible alternative ways of combination.

    Step 3. Keep Your Idea Confidential

    Patents require absolute novelty, meaning that any public disclosure will compromise any future patent filing. Your disclosure of the invention is just as problematic as another inventor or scientist publishing similar results.

    In the United States, an inventor has one year to file a patent application after making a public disclosure. But no other country gives a similar grace period—the minute you breach secrecy most worldwide patent rights are gone. Once your patent application is filed then the patent is pending and you are safe to discuss your invention publicly.

    Only you can decide whether or not you have enough to hire a patent lawyer. Costs for patent lawyers are anywhere from 3500-15000 for startups.

    As a result, you may have a harder time enforcing your patent against competitors because your description did not take the time to expand on your invention. A competitor may find an easy work-around. Patents are filled with tiny details and getting any one of them wrong may compromise your patent.

    You can still do a lot. Provisional applications, for example, lack many of the formalities of utility patent applications. You can draft and file the provisional application yourself using the USPTO’s online web portal. If you file patent yourself, ask a lawyer to gently review it before your file it. It is less expensive than paying for hours of a lawyer’s time to write the application, but still gets the benefit of the lawyer’s experience.

    Some choose to draft and file their own utility patent application. To do so, you could find a related patent and use it as a template to draft your application. Make your own draft drawings by tracing photographs of your prototype. Include all the relevant references you found in your prior art search. Write your own claims to differentiate your invention from the prior art you found. Even if a lawyer ends up filing your application for you, you will have gone along way to ensuring your patent application accurately reflects your invention.

    here is just a basic timeframe chart;

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    How's this going?
     
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    Not great.

    To start... engineer silently backed out/disappeared over time, which means I'm on my own again.

    I also realized that I'm gonna need some funding for this project (over $20,000), and I don't think I can convince anyone to invest that much in me at this age... maybe 16, not 15.

    Because of these things, I've doubled down on my income stream that has proven itself; an Amazon affiliate site. Right now it's only doing $300 per month, but since I upped my KW research process with my Fastlane knowledge, me and my partner invested in about 20 high-quality articles that add Relative Value to Google searchers.

    I expect all of these articles to rank in about 1-3 months, and when they do, the site should be generating about 2k-4k per month (passive income).

    My plan is to use that money to get the OP project going.

    (At the moment, I'm also starting a dropshipping business. It's very mainstream, which I hate, but it seems like a logical way to make money--get people to impulse buy from your listing instead of buying it directly from Aliexpress's. Ends justify the means...)

    Thanks for asking.
     
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    Hi,
    May be was better before you started with an engineer you did not define if your idea is an invention or an utility model.
    That is if it is something that does not exist in the market or if it exists and can be improved.

    After answering this question why you have not done a good research to understand the state of the art in relation to your new product idea.

    Finally, look for companies that produce similar things and contact them to gain a little more experience.

    And only after it take the decision begin the process to create your product.
     
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    Plot twist!

    I'm working on this project again. Forget all of my excuses. This business follows CENTS very well, so I'm going to do whatever it takes to make it work. If I can execute this, It'll likely get me to my first rest station; free from the scripted life.

    I started designing a product to fill the Need yesterday, and I now have an outline that describes the basic way it'll function, plus I have drawings.

    I've run into a problem, however. Although I know how the product will function overall, I don't know how to design the small, technical aspects.

    To jump this hurdle, I have multiple options. There are two that stand out to me right now.
    1. I have access to Solidworks 2015, so I can somehow learn to 3D model all of these little things. Keep in mind, my product isn't "basic" like an innovated paper clip or something. Instead, it's somewhat complex and must have a (possibly 100% unique) locking mechanism to function.
    2. Outsource it to these guys: CAD Design & 3D Engineering Contests for Freelance Designers | Cad Crowd . I have a couple of questions about this. One, do I need a patent before I expose my idea to these designers/are they likely to steal it?? Two, is this type of service going to create a high-quality product that fits my needs?

    Also, I'm still open to the idea of working with engineers face-to-face. I only listed those options because I think it might be enjoyable to build the design myself, plus the Cad Crowd thing sounds really cool to me.
    My product is an improvement of an existing product, but the product that exists does not truly do what the market is asking it to do. Therefore, my product will be a 10x improvement for much of the targeted market.

    I've researched my competition thoroughly and defined a plan for how my product and marketing will help me monopolize this relatively small, but large enough, niche I am in.

    Thanks for the advice on contacting others in the game. I'll probably do this if I run into something I don't know, like where to manufacture my product or something. However, I don't see why I need to do it before I get started working on my business. Can you explain?


    Extra info: I've done patent research with multiple patent search engines, and found one thing that matches my idea. However, it doesn't match what my design will be Whatsoever. Plus, it's recorded to have expired about 10 years ago. Looks like a green light, right?
     
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    If your product has some unique functional feature, then you could file a provisional patent yourself.
    If it's unique in just the way it looks, then you'd need to file a design patent.
    I would not try to file a full utility patent myself.

    Cad Crowd is probably good for beautiful designs, but it will be hard to find qualified mechanical engineers with DFM knowledge from there.

    If your product is made of metal, I might be able to help. Just send me a PM
     
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    It will include a small amount of metal, but it will be mostly plastic.
     
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    Cool thread. Rootin' for ya kid, you'll go far.

    Don't ever let lack of money, or your age, be a reason you think this can't be done.

    It can always be done.
     
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    ^What he said :)

    Maybe you should open a progress thread?

    But to keep this thread on track:
    -Learning to use CAD is definitely not a bad idea. That's a skill you can use to make money later.
    -Things to learn: Injection Molding, 3D-printing, CNC-machining.
    -You might be able to get help from older engineers. Ask around. I'm sure most of the old-timers are delighted to see young people wanting to learn this stuff.
     
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    Thanks for the kind words and the Rep :) .

    The market doesn't care how old I am, because, in this business, my customers will never know. :thumbsup:
    Thanks :smile:. I'll probably start a progress thread soon, but I need to learn a few more things first so I can make a rough timeline for each part of this process.

    I think I'll do 3D modeling myself since I have plenty of time but not enough money. I would also like to develop the skill as a backup plan so I could freelance using it.
     
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    I've stumbled on this thread because I have the exact same problem now. Either to design the product myself (which seems a bit too complicated to me with my knowledge base) or hire professional engineers.

    Curious to know what stage are you at now?

    ..wait and you are only 16? I wish I was reading books at that age.. oh well it's never too late!
     

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