Hard to Make Decision To Dropout..

[MJ DeMarco]

Fear and fear of haters or family that want to stop me doing business things

LOL, and dropping out of college is gonna change that?

 

[ZF Lee]

Hey guys here I'm again, I feel lost again.. I'm studying computer engineering and I can't see myself being a software engineer..

I should have graduated last year but now I'm at my forth year of bachelor.. I feel lost and dead inside..

What should I do? suck it up and finish the bachelor or dropout and do something better?

I really can't see being only a programmer but I think about sales and marketing every day for 24 hours day

Is it me, or is every software or computer related guy bitching about how bad shit is???
But welcome.

If that fourth year is supposed to be your last, finish it.
Not Fastlane, but finish that commitment. Commitment is a vital core of the Fastlane/UNSCRIPTION. i have felt the same way as well as I myself am in a pre-uni course. I'm finishing it by this year's end, and there were many times that I felt like quitting.
But that would dent my reputation as someone who keeps his part of the deal. And quitting your education actually doesn't solve anything unless it really eats up your time to set up a business...which you might not be having one already.
Besides, the skills you learned aren't a total waste. Even the more passive stuff like analysis or scientific principles will help.

As you continue your education, you might want to start doing shit about the sales and marketing learning. When I learned copywriting, I hooked up on Quora, found people discussing on copy, and learned, Even put up copy suggestions for business owners and others. I worked for free. It was not the best experience, but it was a start. Besides I failed 'cheap'...I spend $0 on that effort and a few hours a day. My writing skills and confidence improved, and I'm more comfortable talking or sharing online and in public I learned to be just myself and not lie to other people....and that's pretty much copywriting for you.

And besides, you might find Fastlane needs in software. Although there's a huge debate on the Forum on the viability of learning to code, it's still a good skill that most people don't learn, let alone Fastlane it. Even I myself try out the tutorials once in a while to get a feel of things and peek at stackexchange for the fun of it. Don't beat yourself on the head too much about it....you have actually made good progress.

Even if you didn't run into the Forum, your degree actually puts you ahead of 95% of the other graduates. My business and arts classes are saturated while the science classes have like 10 or 20....out of a total of a few hundred students. Although I think STEM subjects are saturated with lowers standards, outsourcing to India and more automation, if we talk about numbers and probability, you chose the right degree should you want to stay Slowlane, which obviously, you don't want to do!

Two questions to ask yourself which I have asked myself when I was lost around the time I found TMF :
a. Why am I lost? Is it because I don't know what to do with my skills, or I don't know what outcomes will come from what I'm doing?

b. Is there anything I can do to stop getting lost? What actions do I take? What things do I study, investigate? Do I talk to people? Is the conventional wisdom or advice wrong, although they seem reasonable? Are there exceptions? Can I make myself an exception?

Perhaps this thread will help you out.
*UNSCRIPTED* - Have you had your "FTE"? (Or Was it an FTM?!)
Notable! - Manufacturing a FTE (F*ck This Event!)

Welcome again. Do get help here if you need it.

 

[PedroG]

Hey guys here I'm again, I feel lost again.. I'm studying computer engineering and I can't see myself being a software engineer..

I should have graduated last year but now I'm at my forth year of bachelor.. I feel lost and dead inside..

What should I do? suck it up and finish the bachelor or dropout and do something better?

I really can't see being only a programmer but I think about sales and marketing every day for 24 hours day

So you have only one year left? If I were you, I would finish it. It's only one year. If not you may regret it for a long time.

I have a similar issue with my master's degree. I did about half of it years ago, and decided last year I wanted to finish it because I found out I at least could take some entrepreneurship classes as part of a hybrid computer science/entrepreneurship thing. I just hated the idea of not having finished it.

I took a couple of courses last year, and now I have 5 courses left (2 online). The last two opportunities I have postponed taking anything because I've been focused on my side project but I'm trying to force myself to see if I can continue, only because I know myself and I will hate giving up a second time.

But I completely understand your problem. I've been having trouble concentrating on my 9 to 5 also because all I think about is marketing my product, and all the books I've been reading lately. I just wish I could drop everything and just focus on my project full time.

But like I said if I were you, I would finish because you've done most of it already, and that way you'll have no regrets.

 

[TonyStark]

Fear and fear of haters or family that want to stop me doing business things

Maybe I need to improve my self esteem and learn how to ignore haters especially online

Well, I'll tell you that most people started their fastlane business as a side job. You're going to have to do two things at once until one takes off.

 

[Aimee]

I was just wondering to dropout computer engineering and get into a business/ecomics degree and commit with that. Or it isn't worth it ?

Whatever you do, don't do this. There are very few things you can do with a business/economics degree that you can't do with a comp eng degree. There are hundreds of things you can do with a comp eng degree that you can't even think about doing with a business/economics degree.

If you have a business running already/have a job lined up that will generate income to fund your business venture, then quitting your degree might not be a terrible idea.

If not, then what do you plan to do when you quit? Don't just drop out without a backup plan.

 

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[Sean Kaye]

Ok, here's the thing... Stop looking for us to give you a free pass on dropping out.

You seem to want someone here to say, "Hey man, it's ok to quit because you don't like it and it's hard. Two years is a long time man, think of all the inroads you could be making in your mission during that time."

Sorry, that's just bullshit.

Someone else already said it, if you're so "into" sales and marketing, why aren't you building your business empire out on the side right now and in every spare second you're not in school or studying, you could be doing sales and marketing for your business.

But you're not.

Do you think that maybe the reason you love thinking about "sales and marketing" is because you don't actually have to do it? It's an escape for you right now and you have no actual skin in the game. You like the idea of it right now, not the actual practical application.

Sack up, finish school and build a business in your spare time. Then when you're done your degree, re-evaluate.

 

[JordanK]

Hi Alan, I'm also studying Software Development but only going in year two of my course. I don't have any great aspirations either to be a programmer my entire life but with the salaries they are paying at the moment it'll be a great stepping stone to immediately start purchasing real estate. It's also really helped with my other Fastlane ventures. When I need a site built or anything technical done I don't have to dish out hundreds of dollars to get simple things done for me.

My advice would be to finish the final year out anyways while trying to figure out if there is anyway you can use the benefits of your course (coding/high salary) while branching into other areas.

 

[7.62x51]

Just found out this guys, what do you think ?

What Type of Intelligence Do You Have?

I've read it all and I feel to have the "intent " or sales mindset.

Like they say in the article this:

"Now you see why it is so important to find out where your “intelligence” is the highest. You can quickly steer your life into a specific career or business model. If you know at age 20 that your skills are in sales and synthesis… Don’t bother with becoming an engineer or working at a numerics heavy hedge fund. You’ll get paved"

Do you agree with that?

So having a sales mindset and studying computer science (high math) it's not good for my future ? They basically saying to get into a career only if you are sure of your intelligence/personality.

I've worked in sales, saw some of the best salespeople and then went back to school for CS, saw some of the best math students.

At first I'd always think, "what's their secret?" Overtime I'd learn that there was no secret, those people who rose to the top of their game were more dedicated and driven than anyone else.

The top salesperson? He had been working in that store since the day it opened, he also had a family and a big network of personal friends who all knew him as the go to guy. Personally I was somewhat embarrassed to be working in retail but that guy lived it, he embraced it, and that's why he was the best at it.

The top math student? He's done all the questions in the book, he's at the office hours, and if you ever see him outside the classroom, he'll probably be studying. Never misses a lecture. Extremely dedicated.

The average person? Half of their mental space is distracted; TV, News, Video games, Forums, Social media. The average person does not understand what true dedication is. They see the top salesperson or the top math student and craft narratives to explain why they can't be like them.

People over estimate raw intelligence and under estimate hard work.

 

[Envision]

Definitely finish.

Way easier to build a business making 80k/year than 15/hr.

Live without luxuries and reinvest into your idea.

 

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[alan3wilson]

Hey guys here I'm again, I feel lost again.. I'm studying computer engineering and I can't see myself being a software engineer..

I should have graduated last year but now I'm at my forth year of bachelor.. I feel lost and dead inside..

What should I do? suck it up and finish the bachelor or dropout and do something better?

I really can't see being only a programmer but I think about sales and marketing every day for 24 hours day

 

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[TonyStark]

problem is not my last year because I worked for one semester and didn't do exams.

So It would take me at least another 2 years left and it would take me out in total about 6 years of my life and I feel bad
that's why I was wondering to pass to an economics major because it's easier but dont think it's worth it (it would take me that 3 years)

at this time I could have made money in any job or in 4-5 years of hard work I'd have made six figure or more

What's stopping you from starting a business now?

 

[Deleted20833]

If you're thinking of quitting..you already did

Now it's just time to make it official

 

[MitchM]

Ask yourself this:

If I drop out, will I spend my time more effectively?

You need to SERIOUSLY think about this because if you will not take initiative, wake up on time, and do work that doesn't have any immediate results for you then you need to stay in college. Being successful without a degree is all about being a person who takes initiative and having the confidence to invest time into your pursuits.

Also, you don't have to necessarily "Drop Out." You can take a semester off and see what you're made of.

I decided to take a semester off on the contingency that every day I take goal oriented action. Once you can feel yourself progressing towards a desired outcome you will know whether or not you should go back to college. For me, the option is still on the table simply for educations sake - nothing to do with earning a living.


Another important question: Have you tried to start a business yet? You can be using your extra time outside of class to do that. If you haven't even bothered trying yet then you definitely need to stay in school or realize that you are going to have to make a huge shift as a person. You have to be willing to wake up early every day and work. You have to be willing to take action and fail.

You can make a business while you are in college. You can make one outside of college. If a semester off won't hurt you too much my advice would be to take a break under a certain set of contingencies. If you fail these contingencies then you must go back to college the next semester.

The Contingencies

These contingencies aren't outcome oriented but action oriented. Make a goal that you must start at least one business before the next semester of classes begins enrollment. You also need day by day contingencies that insure goal-oriented action is being taken.

"I will wake up at 6 am every day and work at least 8 hours on my business."
Make the contingency that if you don't average doing this successfully at least 6/7 days a week you will go back to college.

If your parents are paying for you to go then you can share this contingency with them almost like a contract. This will show them how serious you are and it will solidify the commitment in your mind.


This is just a rough idea but it is what I have done with myself. The important thing here is that as you take action and interact with the world you will begin to have a vision and understanding sculpted within your mind that should answer the question for you. The reason you have to ask this question to a group of strangers to begin with is because you have very little experience.

That is the benefit of taking the semester off - you get the experience needed to answer your own big-boy-life-questions.

 

[Sean Kaye]

I don't have a clear idea to what to do right now but I see me in 5 years doing business and marketing/sales.

So why would you drop out of school for an aspiration that isn't even partially realized?

Having the idea is the easy bit and you're not even there yet.

See my point?

 

[BlakeIC]

sorry what's that ?

it's a model for weighing decisions when you are struggling to make a decision.

 

[Dunkafelics]

@alan3wilson

I am going to be blunt with you buddy, but take it from a position of trying to push you forward and not trying to coddle you so much.

The one thing I notice right away about you is your confidence level. You are looking to a group of strangers (good-looking ones ) to help you make this decision. You need to take control of your life and start making decisions without the influence of your parents/friends or an online community talking in your ear.

I think the most logical decision is to stay in school and complete this thing. It sounds like you can get some skills out of this educational path if you complete it. However at the same time as quite a few people have recommended, start grinding at either a business idea or get yourself out there and get a job that have some sales and marketing skills.

Have you read Unscripted yet? I find that there are a lot of valuable pieces in that second book written by MJ that really helped me break out of some negative funks and get me on the right path to making positive changes in my own life.

All the best man, we want you to succeed.

 

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[garyjsmith]

@alan3wilson
I think the most logical decision is to stay in school and complete this thing. It sounds like you can get some skills out of this educational path...

I second this. Two of the things schooling [should] teaches you are:
- how to learn, and
- the skill for which you've signed up

If you want to be world class, you're going to need both. Read, listen, and identify problems in your field.

If anything, this can be your test to both take action and finish what you started, which will be equally important in your entrepreneurial pursuits.

 

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[Ninjakid]

Guys sorry again but my situation is going to drive me crazy lol

so I'm obsessed about making money online and making an online business so I surf all day on the internet and study like 1 hour for college lol

I just see myself next 5 years mastering marketing and sales, really I don't see me doing programming all day and I think that's why I keep doing internet marketing and so on

What should I do ? focus like 2 hours per day on college studies and rest of day on business?

I'll tell you exactly what you should do.

Don't drop out of school. Get awesome grades and make your parents proud.

Start an online business and make money. If you manage your time correctly you will be able to do this and study.

Once your business makes money, THEN decide what to do.

Tell your intuition if it talks to you one more time before then you'll burn it alive.

 

[TonyStark]

Finish your last year.

 

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[alan3wilson]

Is it me, or is every software or computer related guy bitching about how bad shit is???
But welcome.

If that fourth year is supposed to be your last, finish it.
Not Fastlane, but finish that commitment. Commitment is a vital core of the Fastlane/UNSCRIPTION. i have felt the same way as well as I myself am in a pre-uni course. I'm finishing it by this year's end, and there were many times that I felt like quitting.
But that would dent my reputation as someone who keeps his part of the deal. And quitting your education actually doesn't solve anything unless it really eats up your time to set up a business...which you might not be having one already.
Besides, the skills you learned aren't a total waste. Even the more passive stuff like analysis or scientific principles will help.

As you continue your education, you might want to start doing shit about the sales and marketing learning. When I learned copywriting, I hooked up on Quora, found people discussing on copy, and learned, Even put up copy suggestions for business owners and others. I worked for free. It was not the best experience, but it was a start. Besides I failed 'cheap'...I spend $0 on that effort and a few hours a day. My writing skills and confidence improved, and I'm more comfortable talking or sharing online and in public I learned to be just myself and not lie to other people....and that's pretty much copywriting for you.

And besides, you might find Fastlane needs in software. Although there's a huge debate on the Forum on the viability of learning to code, it's still a good skill that most people don't learn, let alone Fastlane it. Even I myself try out the tutorials once in a while to get a feel of things and peek at stackexchange for the fun of it. Don't beat yourself on the head too much about it....you have actually made good progress.

Even if you didn't run into the Forum, your degree actually puts you ahead of 95% of the other graduates. My business and arts classes are saturated while the science classes have like 10 or 20....out of a total of a few hundred students. Although I think STEM subjects are saturated with lowers standards, outsourcing to India and more automation, if we talk about numbers and probability, you chose the right degree should you want to stay Slowlane, which obviously, you don't want to do!

Two questions to ask yourself which I have asked myself when I was lost around the time I found TMF :
a. Why am I lost? Is it because I don't know what to do with my skills, or I don't know what outcomes will come from what I'm doing?

b. Is there anything I can do to stop getting lost? What actions do I take? What things do I study, investigate? Do I talk to people? Is the conventional wisdom or advice wrong, although they seem reasonable? Are there exceptions? Can I make myself an exception?

Perhaps this thread will help you out.
*UNSCRIPTED* - Have you had your "FTE"? (Or Was it an FTM?!)
Notable! - Manufacturing a FTE (F*ck This Event!)

Welcome again. Do get help here if you need it.

thanks. I know commitent is the best discipline to create.

I was just wondering to dropout computer engineering and get into a business/ecomics degree and commit with that. Or it isn't worth it ?

I'm still not at my last year..

 

[alan3wilson]

Finish your last year.

problem is not my last year because I worked for one semester and didn't do exams.

So It would take me at least another 2 years left and it would take me out in total about 6 years of my life and I feel bad
that's why I was wondering to pass to an economics major because it's easier but dont think it's worth it (it would take me that 3 years)

at this time I could have made money in any job or in 4-5 years of hard work I'd have made six figure or more

 

[alan3wilson]

What's stopping you from starting a business now?

Fear and fear of haters or family that want to stop me doing business things

Maybe I need to improve my self esteem and learn how to ignore haters especially online

 

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[ZF Lee]

thanks. I know commitent is the best discipline to create.

I was just wondering to dropout computer engineering and get into a business/ecomics degree and commit with that. Or it isn't worth it ?

I'm still not at my last year..

This is my own opinion. You have to decide on your own.
I take economics. My cohort has a business course, and I have looked into the books.
My take: You are more likely to learn more by taking a sales job or retail manager position than do that shit.
Not only is the stuff obsolete, based on unicorn realities and less actionable, but the teachers teaching aren't exactly people who have gone and done it and made a killing at it.

Don't if you can. And last time I checked, although some billionaires have econs degrees, their poorer peers ALSO took econs degrees. No one cares about degrees if you are providing value. My dad only has a diploma, but he runs his own biz, although it's not very passive, but he earns well and I can talk shop with him especially on B2B.

But on B2B, I noticed that the most of the Fortune 500 companies don't really focus on B2B....they had more channels on B2Cs. Maybe it is because it's a bit tricky to scale B2Bs...they tend to be more service orientated, such as manufacturing, marketing, SAAS (the best SAAS platforms have good customer service on-call) and so on.

Still, you might not want to drop out yet. I am suspecting an upheaval in the tech industry despite the slowlane slaughter there...there's the talk of VR and AI. You might want to have a chess piece on there, if you like. You are in a better position than me for that although you haven't exactly fired the shots.

 

[alan3wilson]

LOL, and dropping out of college is gonna change that?

No MJ I don't think so. I need to improve my mindset and get over this fear.

 

[Nily]

I was in the same position as you during my bachelor degree.

My advice for you is to finish it. You will thank yourself 2 years down the track.

 

[BrooklynHustle]

It's not one or the other. Start working on building a business WHILE you're in college. This is one of the best times, as you have lots of time, few real responsibilities, and you can even use many of the school's courses & resources to your advantage if you get creative enough

Start looking at all the numerous advantages instead of the disadvantages and this will put you way ahead

Best of luck!

The only problem I'm scared is to finish college because I'm at half of my college route and it will take me at least another 2 years.

In those 2 years couldn't I do more things other than college (opportunity cost) , could I ? or just continue college while working part time building up my skills

'

 

[Van Halen]

Lets not just completely piss away those 2 years. Computer science, you learn to code right? Python? You can build a web app with Flask. Web app = Saas right? Surely you can think of a Saas thats needed somewhere in the marketplace. Make one. And sell it.

 

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[Van Halen]

Hey guys sorry again but I'd like to ask you what is the best way to make a definitive decision ?

I see I cannot make anyone for now.

I'm really stuck, how can I get from undecision to decision?

Thanks.

WADM Matrix

 

[BlakeIC]

sorry what's that ?

its in the fastlane book

 

[Van Halen]

sorry what's that ?

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