From Zero to 10k USD In One Month Challenge [Insights]

[devine]

FROM ZERO TO 10K USD IN 1 MONTH CHALLENGE. [Insights]

I read a thread by @IrishSpring600 and decided to post this for everyone who struggles with a start. This is a guide with detailed explanation on what to do, how to do it and why. All you need is knowledge and skills you want to monetize.
If you don't have a decent skillset I would consider improving in your field first.

Introduction:
Last year we had a challenge "From Zero To 10k USD In One Month" with my friend. The idea was to execute a business from scratch with no use of pre-existing assets and resources. Which means: you can't use your website/connections/reputation and can't buy anything for your business with money you already have. PC/Cellphone allowed.

My friend is a professional luxury souvenir seller, atm his existing business was a $10k/day profit. I was a web designer/media marketing consultant with existing business making $10k/month. He was running his business for 10 years and I just recently started my own, but we both wanted to see how it's possible to build a business with nothing but knowledge. Quick.
We decided to focus on one single skillset and don't perform any actions irrelevant to our niche, i.e. - you could only use what you earned in context of this challenge, in your niche only, so the challenge would actually mean something instead of being a numbers chasing.

1. The Mindset.
Any business starts with intent. If your intent is to make money - you won't have a business, because successful entrepreneurship is based on constant search for answers and solutions.
"Searching", not "finding", because second is a customer/client perspective. For them you "find", what you actually do is search.
Once an answer/solution is found - you move on to the next one.
Oppositely, "I want money" is a loophole that is attached to every action you perform.

For a competent specialist with the right mindset it's not obvious - we don't try to sell because we need money, most of the times we don't even sell to those who don't really need our stuff from our point of view or can't benefit from it exactly how they need. (Bad for business in a long term). So we don't pay dearly for "I want money" mindset right away.
But if you're just starting out, driven by urge to "make money this evening", everything you do will scream about it. You'll seem a half-assed entrepreneur and people won't have a business with you just because they won't respect you. This is how people earn pennies, because nobody will trust them on a serious scale.

Your mindset should be as if you will live 50-70-90 more years, not until the next week. Those who'll die the next week of course can't afford to use 2-week-term marketing strategies or wait until your client will lose his sleep for 2 weeks before he finally makes the right decision.
Competent specialist learns how to make long term strategies work today.​

2. Preparations.
The right way to approach your business is to make it a response to what people ask and need. The other way around - you'll chase clients/customers until you're fatigued and frustrated to death.
To respond quickly you need a requisite. Once you see a potential client - you clarify his problem and use your requisite.
In a bigger-scale business you intelligently do it with ads, but when you have no budget - you need to do it in person.

Since I was unable to use any of my pre-existing assets, I needed to create one.
I've written a chapter for a book and wanted to narrate it, but I was unable to use my studio microphone, because in other circumstances I would not have it.
All my friend needed was a phone, his problems would occur in a conversation with potential partners. My problems would be easily solved with 5$ paid for studio time... which I couldn't use.
I decided to make my requisite appear as a webinar recording, which I didn't need a good microphone for. Actual webinar would be a waste of time, which I understood only because of this particular situation.
There are hundreds of other ways to create your requisite, make sure it will strike true with its substance.

Having a requisite that would work if I needed to showcase my competence as a web designer (with zero graphic content involved, think about it), I moved to community pages and searched for people who needed a website for their business.
A hilarious situation has happened when I posted a recording of "a part of my webinar" in response to a question coming from a potential client:
- Since I uploaded it to YouTube and allowed it to be viewed only on YouTube, a community administrator said "Conversion fail", thinking that people won't proceed to YouTube.
Later this client generated me thousands of dollars, starting with $2.5k only 3 days later.
Here I learned a thing that changed my vision completely:

You need to cut off everyone who you are not interested in, with more actions required to get in touch with you, with higher price tag, with phrasing that turns those people off, with anything that makes them want to never have a business with you and tell their like-minded friends to stay away from your business as well.
A lot of businesses constantly decline because they spend most of their time dealing with people they don't need to deal with, instead of focusing on right people.
This is why some companies have 1000 employees when they could use only 100.​

3. Process.
When you search for your potential clients/customers, you need to look at the world from a perspective of those people. The most common misconception about money is that you take it, while in reality people give it to you.
Now stop and don't read any further for now, give yourself some time to think about it.

How your business works is a process. But it has very little to do with you, the biggest part of the process is what you don't even see. It's when your client randomly thinks about your products/services 10 times a day, when he looks at pictures, reads texts on your website, when you finish your conversation and drop the phone - this is when your process actualy starts. You form the circumstances, the enviroment in which your process happens later, when you have no control over how it happens.

In our challenge it allowed me to close a $2.5k deal within 3 days. It's 175000 in local currency, which is an average annual salary in a city like mine. How I did that?
It's all about perspective in which you portray your services and form a relationship with your client.

For your client/customer the world is different. He doesn't want what you want. Majority of reasons you consider strong enough to purchase your product/services mean nothing to an actual customer, unless you learn how to see the world the way he does.
Let's say you're a personal fitness trainer - why your arguments won't be sufficient enough for your potential client to hire you?
Because like majority of personal trainers you think that clients build good bodies because of your help. (Usually, majority doesn't even believe in it themself.)
In reality, your client sees a good body as a result of constant effort on his side. The minute he thinks of you, he already starts to imagine himself doing cardio, eating tastless food and overcoming himself on each workout. How do you think - how realistic this picture is for your potential client? He can't even stand up from his couch to do bodyweight push ups and squats, being at home.

It's appliable to any industry. When I've been forming relationships with my first client during The Challenge, he initially wanted to have a landing page but was afraid that it won't get him sales. He realized that he will still need to advertise his website.
I offered a partnership in which he gets 25% from this project, because all the other work is done by me, with the initial investment of 2.5k to get started.
What's better - to pay $1k and be on your own, with no gaurantee that you'll succeed - or pay $2.5k and have no problems to deal with?
The answer is easily observable in a world around us - people have money, but they are not willing to take the risks and the best offer they usually get has nothing to do with resolving this problem.
This is why a regular personal fitness training is worth ~$1000/month somewhere in US/AU where people have an average annual salary of $90k, while with one of my projects we charge our clients up to $3000/month in RU, where even wealthy people rarely make $30k annually.

4. Getting Past Your First Success.
Entrepreneurs usually struggle to make their first money, for some it takes a lot of time, but the real problem is to make your business require less effort and time from client to client. The difference between business and job is pretty much about that, if your business constantly takes your time - you are your own employee, with the only difference that hating your boss and hating yourself will be the same thing.
But how to make your business more and more efficient?
Learn to optimize.

Optimization is simple, but should be performed after each step you take, until the level of desired efficiency is achieved. Otherwise your business will become an "Environment of Decline" and slowly but steadily die from "waste" expenses. And you, personally, will die from aging faster than you have a fastlane business.
Once you have your first client/customer, it's good to ask yourself - “Why have I succeeded?”.
If you were able to sell once to a particular customer/client, it means that you have a higher chance of succeeding with people who are similar to this client.
What gender? What age? What kind of person your client is? Where you can find more clients like this? Write down everything that is related to your client and relevant for your business.
Having just one client is actually a lot of information. You need to analyze, re-evaluate and optimize after each one, to make your business a more and more perfect match for your potential clients. Don't make compromises to please all potential clients, because by trying to satisfy everyone - you'll be a perfect match for no one.

Once I made my first money as a part of The Challenge, I needed to be very smart about my further actions, because I had only 3 weeks to reach the goal of $10k.
My recent client gave me a good idea - $2.5k is more than enough to advertise at places where my potential clients dwell on daily basis, i.e. Restaurants.
People love to discuss business there and I wanted to give them a chance to do that.
I connected with an owner of one of our restaurants who never advertised anything in his place, so I made a suggestion to partner up with him and see how it goes, paying for design of new menus and ad assets and giving him 15% from each client who found out about my services from his place. With my price tag it's really a lot, but time was more precious.
Month later I just switched to paying upfront, because it turned out to be cheaper, but it could be different if I would just throw money upfront right away.

The place is comfortable and quiet, with no distraction and great food, so a lot of times I've been reserving a table and was doing my work from there. Restaurant owner saw me working on my projects and usually sat down with me to ask questions, and after I finished with the second client coming from his place he wanted me to create a new website for his restaurant, because an old one was never finished and took 2 months of waiting.
After providing so much value to a single business, that was a sum of affiliate marketing, web design, copywriting and online/physical marketing, it was obvious that providing complex full-scale solutions is a way to go. Majority of web design/marketing businesses are stuck in slavery of their own business model, my primarily objective was to avoid that.

This is how I came up with idea to make a complete transition from services to production/execution - i.e. with my primary business we don't work for anybody, we work with.
Only recently we finished working with this restaurant owner, making $60k from this project exclusively.
This is how business evolves from $2500 check to $60000 check over the course of 4 clients, if you optimize and rescale quickly.

It doesn't matter what you do, I have examples from fitness industry, niche perfume selling, vocal coaching and many others, we have high price tags everywhere and profit tremendously since the first month.
Same rules apply everywhere with a difference in details, which you, as a specialist in your niche, should know the best.

Do you consider $10k serious cash? In my place it's worth an average biannual salary of a competent specialist, but it's still not big money. This is a kind of cash you can just throw out and never regret it, because acquiring really effective skills and information worth much more. Most likely you won't even have a chance to learn something for $10k on a truly professional level.​

Afterwords.
The Challenge took me 23 days to get from zero to $10k, first week both I and my friend spent on preparations, on our own. Later we teamed up to increase our productivity and come up with better ideas, because both of us were more interested in breaking our boundaries than chasing numbers. btw, my friend ended $1.4k short of our goal.
If you have questions - feel free to ask. If you read this in less then 5 minutes than I strongly suggest to re-read it.

 

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[eTox]

If your intent is to make money - you won't have a business, because successful entrepreneurship is based on constant search for answers and solutions.
"Searching", not "finding", because second is a customer/client perspective. For them you "find", what you actually do is search.
Once an answer/solution is found - you move on to the next one.

What exactly do you mean by ""Searching", not "finding", because second is a customer/client perspective"? Do you mean that you are looking for the problems that the business owners have? Say in your case, you would be looking for the problem that they have and proposing a solution to them in the form of, say, new website design because you've identified that they are losing business with the current one?

Why do you say "finding", what do you mean by that? Is it because you search for a problem, you propose the problem, and if it's the right problem, then you have found it? I don't get this point.

If you would be kind enough as to elaborate this point a little more in detail,

Thank you

 

[eTox]

For a competent specialist with the right mindset it's not obvious - we don't try to sell because we need money, most of the times we don't even sell to those who don't really need our stuff from our point of view or can't benefit from it exactly how they need. (Bad for business in a long term). So we don't pay dearly for "I want money" mindset right away.
But if you're just starting out, driven by urge to "make money this evening", everything you do will scream about it. You'll seem a half-assed entrepreneur and people won't have a business with you just because they won't respect you. This is how people earn pennies, because nobody will trust them on a serious scale.

Correct me if I am wrong, this means that we ignore people who we are uncertain will benefit from our product or service, we don't try to sell to everyone, but only to those people who we believe do really need the solution that we are proposing because we know that they are going to benefit a lot from it. Thereby ignoring the money chasing, and chasing those who really need the solution because it will absolutely benefit them. This way big $ is made?

 

[devine]

What exactly do you mean by ""Searching", not "finding", because second is a customer/client perspective"? Do you mean that you are looking for the problems that the business owners have? Say in your case, you would be looking for the problem that they have and proposing a solution to them in the form of, say, new website design because you've identified that they are losing business with the current one?

Why do you say "finding", what do you mean by that? Is it because you search for a problem, you propose the problem, and if it's the right problem, then you have found it? I don't get this point.

If you would be kind enough as to elaborate this point a little more in detail,

Thank you

Exactly. You are in a never ending process of search, once you have found an answer/solution - you move on to the next. It never ends.
From entrepreneur's perspective - we focus on process, once we got a result - yeah, we did, but that's just the outcome of our process.

From client's/customer's perspective - they need results, they need us to "find" or "solve".
Focusing on goals as a result is counterproductive, i.e. "I want to sell 100 units" or "I want to design a logo" usually results in frustration, while it doesn't help you to actually achieve these results in any way. It's a loophole that has nothing to do with actual process of achieving your results. That's the main reason why people can't even start.

 

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[devine]

Correct me if I am wrong, this means that we ignore people who we are uncertain will benefit from our product or service, we don't try to sell to everyone, but only to those people who we believe do really need the solution that we are proposing because we know that they are going to benefit a lot from it. Thereby ignoring the money chasing, and chasing those who really need the solution because it will absolutely benefit them. This way big $ is made?

Yes, we sell only to those who will benefit from it.
For example, we don't try sell our products to people who won't be 200% satisfied, because it will result in reviews we don't want to have. Just one "4/5 star" review can generate huge losses. A review don't even have to be 4/5 stars, it could simply illustrate that a customer is "ok" with our product. This is bad.
Also, we don't try to sell our services to people who won't really benefit from them, because it's a waste of time and effort. If a client needs a website, which we know he won't benefit from, none of our actions will be productive, which we know before we even start. We turn people down a lot, because this way we keep us open to better opportunities.

 

[nradam123]

FROM ZERO TO 10K USD IN 1 MONTH CHALLENGE. [Insights]

I read a thread by @IrishSpring600 and decided to post this for everyone who struggles with a start. This is a guide with detailed explanation on what to do, how to do it and why. All you need is knowledge and skills you want to monetize.
If you don't have a decent skillset I would consider improving in your field first.

Introduction:
Last year we had a challenge "From Zero To 10k USD In One Month" with my friend. The idea was to execute a business from scratch with no use of pre-existing assets and resources. Which means: you can't use your website/connections/reputation and can't buy anything for your business with money you already have. PC/Cellphone allowed.

My friend is a professional luxury souvenir seller, atm his existing business was a $10k/day profit. I was a web designer/media marketing consultant with existing business making $10k/month. He was running his business for 10 years and I just recently started my own, but we both wanted to see how it's possible to build a business with nothing but knowledge. Quick.
We decided to focus on one single skillset and don't perform any actions irrelevant to our niche, i.e. - you could only use what you earned in context of this challenge, so the challenge would actually mean something instead of being a numbers chasing.

1. The Mindset.
Any business starts with intent. If your intent is to make money - you won't have a business, because successful entrepreneurship is based on constant search for answers and solutions.
"Searching", not "finding", because second is a customer/client perspective. For them you "find", what you actually do is search.
Once an answer/solution is found - you move on to the next one.
Oppositely, "I want money" is a loophole that is attached to every action you perform.

For a competent specialist with the right mindset it's not obvious - we don't try to sell because we need money, most of the times we don't even sell to those who don't really need our stuff from our point of view or can't benefit from it exactly how they need. (Bad for business in a long term). So we don't pay dearly for "I want money" mindset right away.
But if you're just starting out, driven by urge to "make money this evening", everything you do will scream about it. You'll seem a half-assed entrepreneur and people won't have a business with you just because they won't respect you. This is how people earn pennies, because nobody will trust them on a serious scale.

Your mindset should be as if you will live 50-70-90 more years, not until the next week. Those who'll die the next week of course can't afford to use 2-week-term marketing strategies or wait until your client will lose his sleep for 2 weeks before he finally makes the right decision.
Competent specialist learns how to make long term strategies work today.​

2. Preparations.
The right way to approach your business is to make it a response to what people ask and need. The other way around - you'll chase clients/customers until you're fatigued and frustrated to death.
To respond quickly you need a requisite. Once you see a potential client - you clarify his problem and use your requisite.
In a bigger-scale business you intelligently do it with ads, but when you have no budget - you need to do it in person.

Since I was unable to use any of my pre-existing assets, I needed to create one.
I've written a chapter for a book and wanted to narrate it, but I was unable to use my studio microphone, because in other circumstances I would not have it.
All my friend needed was a phone, his problems would occur in a conversation with potential partners. My problems would be easily solved with 5$ paid for studio time... which I couldn't use.
I decided to make my requisite appear as a webinar recording, which I didn't need a good microphone for. Actual webinar would be a waste of time, which I understood only because of this particular situation.
There are hundreds of other ways to create your requisite, make sure it will strike true with its substance.

Having a requisite that would work if I needed to showcase my competence as a web designer (with zero graphic content involved, think about it), I moved to community pages and searched for people who needed a website for their business.
A hilarious situation has happened when I posted a recording of "a part of my webinar" in response to a question coming from a potential client:
- Since I uploaded it to YouTube and allowed it to be viewed only on YouTube, a community administrator said "Conversion fail", thinking that people won't proceed to YouTube.
Later this client generated me thousands of dollars, starting with $2.5k only 3 days later.
Here I learned a thing that changed my vision completely:

You need to cut off everyone who you are not interested in, with more actions required to get in touch with you, with higher price tag, with phrasing that turns those people off, with anything that makes them want to never have a business with you and tell their like-minded friends to stay away from your business as well.
A lot of businesses constantly decline because they spend most of their time dealing with people they don't need to deal with, instead of focusing on right people.
This is why some companies have 1000 employees when they could use only 100.​

3. Process.
When you search for your potential clients/customers, you need to look at the world from a perspective of those people. The most common misconception about money is that you take it, while in reality people give it to you.
Now stop and don't read any further for now, give yourself some time to think about it.

How your business works is a process. But it has very little to do with you, the biggest part of the process is what you don't even see. It's when your client randomly thinks about your products/services 10 times a day, when he looks at pictures, reads texts on your website, when you finish your conversation and drop the phone - this is when your process actualy starts. You form the circumstances, the enviroment in which your process happens later, when you have no control over how it happens.

In our challenge it allowed me to close a $2.5k deal within 3 days. It's 175000 in local currency, which is an average annual salary in a city like mine. How I did that?
It's all about perspective in which you portray your services and form a relationship with your client.

For your client/customer the world is different. He doesn't want what you want. Majority of reasons you consider strong enough to purchase your product/services mean nothing to an actual customer, unless you learn how to see the world the way he does.
Let's say you're a personal fitness trainer - why your arguments won't be sufficient enough for your potential client to hire you?
Because like majority of personal trainers you think that clients build good bodies because of your help. (Usually, majority doesn't even believe in it themself.)
In reality, your client sees a good body as a result of constant effort on his side. The minute he thinks of you, he already starts to imagine himself doing cardio, eating tastless food and overcoming himself on each workout. How do you think - how realistic this picture is for your potential client? He can't even stand up from his couch to do bodyweight push ups and squats, being at home.

It's appliable to any industry. When I've been forming relationships with my first client during The Challenge, he initially wanted to have a landing page but was afraid that it won't get him sales. He realized that he will still need to advertise his website.
I offered a partnership in which he gets 25% from this project, because all the other work is done by me, with the initial investment of 2.5k to get started.
What's better - to pay $1k and be on your own, with no gaurantee that you'll succeed - or pay $2.5k and have no problems to deal with?
The answer is easily observable in a world around us - people have money, but they are not willing to take the risks and the best offer they usually get has nothing to do with resolving this problem.
This is why a regular personal fitness training is worth ~$1000/month somewhere in US/AU where people have an average annual salary of $90k, while with one of my projects we charge our clients up to $3000/month in RU, where even wealthy people rarely make $30k annually.

4. Getting Past Your First Success.
Entrepreneurs usually struggle to make their first money, for some it takes a lot of time, but the real problem is to make your business require less effort and time from client to client. The difference between business and job is pretty much about that, if your business constantly takes your time - you are your own employee, with the only difference that hating your boss and hating yourself will be the same thing.
But how to make your business more and more efficient?
Learn to optimize.

Optimization is simple, but should be performed after each step you take, until the level of desired efficiency is achieved. Otherwise your business will become an "Environment of Decline" and slowly but steadily die from "waste" expenses. And you, personally, will die from aging faster than become a fastlaner.
Once you have your first client/customer, it's good to ask yourself - “Why have I succeeded?”.
If you were able to sell once to a particular customer/client, it means that you have a higher chance of succeeding with people who are similar to this client.
What gender? What age? What kind of person your client is? Where you can find more clients like this? Write down everything that is related to your client and relevant for your business.
Having just one client is actually a lot of information. You need to analyze, re-evaluate and optimize after each one, to make your business a more and more perfect match for your potential clients. Don't make compromises to please all potential clients, because by trying to satisfy everyone - you'll be a perfect match for no one.

Once I made my first money as a part of The Challenge, I needed to be very smart about my further actions, because I had only 3 weeks to reach the goal of $10k.
My recent client gave me a good idea - $2.5k is more than enough to advertise at places where my potential clients dwell on daily basis, i.e. Restaurants.
People love to discuss business there and I wanted to give them a chance to do that.
I connected with an owner of one of our restaurants who never advertised anything in his place, so I made a suggestion to partner up with him and see how it goes, paying for design of new menus and ad assets and giving him 15% from each client who found out about my services from his place. With my price tag it's really a lot, but time was more precious.
Month later I just switched to paying upfront, because it turned out to be cheaper, but it could be different if I would just throw money upfront right away.

The place is comfortable and quiet, with no distraction and great food, so a lot of times I've been reserving a table and was doing my work from there. Restaurant owner saw me working on my projects and usually sat down with me to ask questions, and after I finished with the second client coming from his place he wanted me to create a new website for his restaurant, because an old one was never finished and took 2 months of waiting.
After providing so much value to a single business, that was a sum of affiliate marketing, web design, copywriting and online/physical marketing, it was obvious that providing complex full-scale solutions is a way to go. Majority of web design/marketing businesses are stuck in slavery of their own business model, my primarily objective was to avoid that.

This is how I came up with idea to make a complete transition from services to production/execution - i.e. with my primary business we don't work for anybody, we work with.
Only recently we finished working with this restaurant owner, making $60k from this project exclusively.
This is how business evolves from $2500 check to $60000 check over the course of 4 clients, if you optimize and rescale quickly.

It doesn't matter what you do, I have examples from fitness industry, niche perfume selling, vocal coaching and many others, we have high price tags everywhere and profit tremendously since the first month.
Same rules apply everywhere with a difference in details, which you, as a specialist in your niche, should know the best.

Do you consider $10k serious cash? In my place it's worth an average biannual salary of a competent specialist, but it's still not big money. This is a kind of cash you can just throw out and never regret it, because acquiring really effective skills and information worth much more. Most likely you won't even have a chance to learn something for $10k on a truly professional level.​

Afterwords.
The Challenge took me 23 days to get from zero to $10k, first week both I and my friend spent on preparations, on our own. Later we teamed up to increase our productivity and come up with better ideas, because both of us were more interested in breaking our boundaries than chasing numbers. btw, my friend ended $1.4k short of our goal.
If you have questions - feel free to ask. If you read this in less then 5 minutes than I strongly suggest to re-read it.

I did not understand most of it, I feel like I am dumb.
This looks like some next level shit to me.

I am also a web developer and I am basically at $1500 in 5 months time, that too I feel like I just got lucky to get those orders.

Hmm... a doubt. What do you mean by "I offered a partnership in which he gets 25% from this project, because all the other work is done by me, with the initial investment of 2.5k to get started" ? You are partnering with him for 75% profit? Then who pays for advertising to get sales? Can you elaborate this part more?

Anyway great work man.

 

[devine]

I did not understand most of it, I feel like I am dumb.
This looks like some next level shit to me.
I am also a web developer and I am basically at $1500 in 5 months time, that too I feel like I just got lucky to get those orders.

Hmm... a doubt. What do you mean by "I offered a partnership in which he gets 25% from this project, because all the other work is done by me, with the initial investment of 2.5k to get started" ? You are partnering with him for 75% profit? Then who pays for advertising to get sales? Can you elaborate this part more?

Anyway great work man.

Look closer at the reasons why you "got lucky", nobody gives you money out of blue for no good reason. If there is 1 situation, it's 1000 more situations like this, you just need to search for them.

Regarding partnership - he paid for all the expenses and I did all the job. We considered it an investment for him in order to have passive income, currently he's net-profiting about 1.5k a month without really doing anything.

 

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[pickeringmt]

Can you provide any kind of proof at all that any of this actually happened?

Has anyone verified any of this?

If you are just that Grumpy Cat dude back from the dead, I will be disapointed

 

[devine]

Can you provide any kind of proof at all that any of this actually happened?

Has anyone verified any of this?

If you are just that Grumpy Cat dude back from the dead, I will be disapointed

I can, though I don't need to.

I have a plenty of idiots constantly pm'ing me on social networks out of blue, asking for deposit screenshots, domain names, personal information of people who can verify something for them, email logs, keys to my house, number of my girlfriend, passport details and etc, just because they saw me on the internet, read my advices to someone else or heard me talk "gamechanging" stuff in some interview. Some random guy on the internet asking for proofs is not a sufficient reason to reveal any of that.

 

[pickeringmt]

Some random guy on the internet asking for proofs is not a sufficient reason to reveal any of that.

Just like some random guy on the internet CLAIMING all of this with no actual proof screams bullshit.

just because they saw me on the internet, read my advices to someone else or heard me talk "gamechanging" stuff in some interview.

You are in a forum that is focused on real people building real businesses. It doesn't surprise me in the least that people would expect you to actually provide some kind of proof to back up these posts. What surprises me is that you would have such a shitty, arrogant attitude about it. When you actually get to know the folks around here actually living this stuff, you find they are some of the most humble, respectable people you will ever meet.

Generally it is the condescending, arrogant, self-proclaimed "elite" that are just some prick making up stories.

Im out. Good luck, best wishes, and I look forward to seeing you get called out on this more and more.

 

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[devine]

Just like some random guy on the internet CLAIMING all of this with no actual proof screams bullshit.


You are in a forum that is focused on real people building real businesses. It doesn't surprise me in the least that people would expect you to actually provide some kind of proof to back up these posts. What surprises me is that you would have such a shitty, arrogant attitude about it. When you actually get to know the folks around here actually living this stuff, you find they are some of the most humble, respectable people you will ever meet.

Generally it is the condescending, arrogant, self-proclaimed "elite" that are just some prick making up stories.

Im out. Good luck, best wishes, and I look forward to seeing you get called out on this more and more.

There is a small group who doubt what is over your head and ask for "deposit screenshots, personal info, email logs" and etc. Guess what? Once screenshots are revealed: "they're not yours", once domain names posted: "turn whois privacy off and leave a message in your header for me", once email logs are revealed: "that can be photoshop''d". "Make a photo of you holding cash", "make a video tour of your property", "record a video with property ownership documents to prove it's yours". Sorry (not actually), but who are you? Get lost.
The fact that I'm not revealing any information besides what matters and protect my stuff from idiots doesn't mean I have "shitty, arrogant attitude" - I have a reasonable attitude, no matter if you like it or not. I don't sell you anything and I don't ask to follow any of my advice, get out and keep your assumptions to yourself.

 

[pickeringmt]

There is a small group who doubt what is over your head and ask for "deposit screenshots, personal info, email logs" and etc.

You will probably be surprised by the number of people that will expect you to actually prove what you are saying you have done is true. How you could think that is some kind of weakness is beyond me.

 

[devine]

You will probably be surprised by the number of people that will expect you to actually prove what you are saying you have done is true. How you could think that is some kind of weakness is beyond me.

I won't, last time I posted merely a screenshot - my inbox was flooded with questions and offers, as well as questions about further proofs (prove that your proof is real). Depending on degree of how open you are - DDoS attacks, website hacking, stalking, blackmail and all sorts of other nasty stuff are included.

A trait of highly developed person is an ability to analyze information without a need to glaze into another person's wallet. If you can't rationalize if you need to follow my advice or not by looking into mine - that's not up to me. My competence doesn't depend on it.
I know the reason why you're here, I know your motives - I don't owe you anything.

 

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[pickeringmt]

There is a small group who doubt what is over your head and ask for "deposit screenshots, personal info, email logs" and etc.

BTW, this "small group" will include the mods of this forum for the sake of the rest of us that don't just buy everything people write on here without questioning it.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Yay another ubermensch & cyriex race/challenge thread.

[HASHTAG]#landfill[/HASHTAG]

 

[devine]

BTW, this "small group" will include the mods of this forum for the sake of the rest of us that don't just buy everything people write on here without questioning it.

Apparently you have no better arguments that you jumped into speaking on a behalf of other people.
By the way, I remember MJ addressing the same concerns I mentioned, Vigilante saying that he'll ban anyone who'll ask for proofs and many many other situations. So just get out and don't litter this thread with half-assed attempts to call me out for something you can't call me out for, but have an audacity to try to.

@Raoul Duke that's where majority of your posts belong, seriously.

 

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[eliquid]

You will probably be surprised by the number of people that will expect you to actually prove what you are saying you have done is true. How you could think that is some kind of weakness is beyond me.

@pickeringmt , stop arguing with this clown.

I went through all his old posts and got a good analysis of this guy just from his very first post here back in Aug 2015.

Other well respected members of this forum have already called BS on him in other old threads.

Point is, he needs his ego stroked for w/e reason and you aren't going to win with this guy in any argument what so ever.

Spend your time on more fruitful activities and stop giving this clown more attention.

 

[pickeringmt]

@pickeringmt , stop arguing with this clown.

Sorry, this all just happened so fast.....

 

[eliquid]

Sorry, this all just happened so fast.....

I know man, I feels you. lol

I got caught up too yesterday. I feel like Im getting caught up again.

Sometimes the trolls are fun to play with, sometimes they impact your business though.

I'm going to take the safer route and just work on my business today mostly than give him fodder.

 

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[devine]

@pickeringmt , stop arguing with this clown.

I went through all his old posts and got a good analysis of this guy just from his very first post here back in Aug 2015.

Other well respected members of this forum have already called BS on him in other old threads.

Point is, he needs his ego stroked for w/e reason and you aren't going to win with this guy in any argument what so ever.

Spend your time on more fruitful activities and stop giving this clown more attention.

You already shitted your pants in other thread, buddy, so don't try to continue talking shit there.
There is not a single word of mine that contradicts anything I said and there is not a single person on TFLF who called me on BS, so stop lying and either shut your trashbag or quote my posts with your arguments. I stand for each of my words and what you do is trashtalk things you cannot substantiate, blabbering ignorant.

That pretty much summarizes the problem with your trashtalk, following with a message explaining my original concerns on subject we discussed.
Again, quotes with arguments or get lost. Unlike you, I don't chime in with "I worked since 1990's" as my very best. It's pathetic to be you after so many years.

 

[eliquid]

You already shitted your pants in other thread, buddy, so don't try to continue talking shit there.
There is not a single word of mine that contradicts anything I said and there is not a single person on TFLF who called me on BS, so stop lying and either shut your trashbag or quote my posts with your arguments. I stand for each of my words and what you do is trashtalk things you cannot substantiate, blabbering ignorant.

That pretty much summarizes the problem with your so trashtalking, following with a message explaining my original concerns on subject we discussed.
Again, quotes with arguments or get lost.

I dont need to post those threads here, anyone can hit your profile link and view all your old threads that you can't modify and see all the other members that said BS to you and see your first thread where out of the gate you mocked and called names to well known members here like retard, autistic, etc.

Its all public info for anyone that cares to look.

You shat your own bed already son.

Unlike you, I don't chime in with "I worked since 1990's" as my very best. It's pathetic to be you after so many years.

Sorry you were born later in life than me, or that you decided to spend your time playing music instead of doing other things when you were younger. Both things though, I had no control over.

I stress the time I put into this industry so people can see and know I didn't jump into the game in the last 2-3 years and have no real experience. That's why I point out since 1990's. Higher end clients like knowing you have been around some and have real experience. Not a rookie bandwagon jumper that is still wet behind the ears.

Trust me, its really pathetic to me be.

 

[devine]

I dont need to post those threads here, anyone can hit your profile link and view all your old threads that you can't modify and see all the other members that said BS to you and see your first thread where out of the gate you mocked and called names to well known members here like retard, autistic, etc.

Its all public info for anyone that cares to look.

You shat your own bed already son.



Sorry you were born later in life than me, or that you decided to spend your time playing music instead of doing other things when you were younger. Both things though, I had no control over.

I stress the time I put into this industry so people can see and know I didn't jump into the game in the last 2-3 years and have no real experience. That's why I point out since 1990's. Higher end clients like knowing you have been around some and have real experience. Not a rookie bandwagon jumper that is still wet behind the ears.

Trust me, its really pathetic to me be.

You can't quote it here, coupled with my responses, because this way you will at least seem like what you say could be true. Anyone who will bother to read these threads will find no call outs on BS. I read this thread now and my particular answer containing word "autistic" (autistic conclusions) was to a person who didn't read my message and jumped into conclusions. BS here? Or you're just an idiot?
Retarded? Yes, I answered, that a person who jumps into subjective conclusions that has not enough ground - is retarded. Because he couldn't read that I made $100k total, not $100k/month and called me retarded for literally no reason. BS here? Or you're just an idiot, again?

Because you simply lie and take things out of context, let me emphasize:
BS here? Or you're just an idiot?

Having 20 years of experience doesn't make you an expert, buddy. If after so much work, years is what you want to put an emphasis on - I feel sorry for you. 2-3 years ago I was nowhere near where I am now, even a year ago I was nowhere near where I am now, but I already had something better than "years of experience" to put my emphasis on. There is a ton of "specialists" who are 20-30 years into their stuff, who are as unprofessional as it can get.

You see, I don't even need to come up with anything new (sounds familiar?), I just use your own words against you. The fact itself that you came to this thread with this pathetic attempt to call me out, having nothing to stand on, just shows who's really got butthurt and who you are as a person, forget specialist. (I have no problem with you butthurting, so I just repeat this phrase after you to point at how things are in reality.)

 

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[eliquid]

Having 20 years of experience doesn't make you an expert, buddy. If after so much work, years is what you want to put an emphasis on - I feel sorry for you. 2-3 years ago I was nowhere near where I am now, even a year ago I was nowhere near where I am now, but I already had something better than "years of experience" to put my emphasis on. There is a ton of "specialists" who are 20-30 years into their stuff, who are as unprofessional as it can get.

I never said I was an expert in this thread.

However, most people would agree that the safer bet would be someone that has 20 years experience in a topic and knows the ins and outs of that topic because they lived through it, than say someone who jumped into it 2 years ago and can't show proof of anything when asked to back it up and has only lived through the most recent changes and possibly doesn't understand fully why certain things work the way they do.

So showing how long I have been doing this to others, is very beneficial to me and to THEM. It's an advantage I have and I am not ashamed to use it when winning business because I know I provide more value to my clients with that advantage overall.

If I was building a new house, I would rather hire the old geezer guy that has built houses locally for 20 years and knows all the people down at the courthouse and all the contractors ( and those to stay away from ), then some hot-shot flashy rookie that just started 2 years ago that when asked, "hey show me some houses you built before I hire you", says they can't provide that info because of death threats or getting PM'd too much.

Even if the old geezer wasn't a perfect expert in solar and somewhat unprofessional ( maybe they swear a lot in front of me ) and they only knew 90% of the newest tech on the market, they would still be the safer bet overall then someone that just started and doesn't back up what they say when asked about it so we can understand better.

I know most others would agree with me as well.

Unfollowing this thread now, so you can have the floor all to yourself now.

 

[Raoul Duke]

@Raoul Duke that's where majority of your posts belong, seriously.

You're doing a bang up job yourself.

 

[devine]

I never said I was an expert in this thread.

However, most people would agree that the safer bet would be someone that has 20 years experience in a topic and knows the ins and outs of that topic because they lived through it, than say someone who jumped into it 2 years ago and can't show proof of anything when asked to back it up and has only lived through the most recent changes and possibly doesn't understand fully why certain things work the way they do.

So showing how long I have been doing this to others, is very beneficial to me and to THEM. It's an advantage I have and I am not ashamed to use it when winning business because I know I provide more value to my clients with that advantage overall.

If I was building a new house, I would rather hire the old geezer guy that has built houses locally for 20 years and knows all the people down at the courthouse and all the contractors ( and those to stay away from ), then some hot-shot flashy rookie that just started 2 years ago that when asked, "hey show me some houses you built before I hire you", says they can't provide that info because of death threats or getting PM'd too much.

Even if the old geezer wasn't a perfect expert in solar and somewhat unprofessional ( maybe they swear a lot in front of me ) and they only knew 90% of the newest tech on the market, they would still be the safer bet overall then someone that just started and doesn't back up what they say when asked about it so we can understand better.

I know most others would agree with me as well.

Unfollowing this thread now, so you can have the floor all to yourself now.

20 years of experience is a safer bet for people who don't know how to make decisions properly. Good managers don't even look into cover letters that start with years of experience, neither take it as a strong side of a specialist/company.
You see, that's the difference between a competent specialist and someone who weared out his pants for 20 years - competent specialist acts because he knows why things work that way before he even makes a particular choice, while latter acts because from other 99 choices that lead him to failure (for reasons you can only guess), this one worked for him.
You don't need 20 years of hit/miss practice to know for sure, you need to know fundamentals and understand why it works that way. For that purpose you learn disciplines such as cognitive, behavioural and evolutionary psychology, linguistics, mathetmatics and others.
I, personally, spent about ~12 years of my life learning psychology and linguistics, which is why I knew more about marketing and design than many seasoned professionals, when I was 1 year into. Because these seasoned professionals had dozens of years of experience in what? In random guessing and hit/miss strategies. Not to mention that I learned from the best I could reach, which I intelligently suggested to people in the other thread where we had a conflict with you.

This is one of the very few times you'll hear me talk about years of my experience, I try to make my stuff so good that it speaks for itself, without a need to appeal to authority, belief and other logical fallacies. It's just bad for business and bad for how you are truly perceived by people. It's easy to go out there and attach proofs of your wealth so people will listen to each word you say and take it as absolute truth, but you get a following consisting of clueless people.
I did it with one of my projects and that was the reason why I got so many offers from people with so little money. Majority here didn't have that moment, but in my life I got a few when I knew I could produce anything and it would sell, because people take every word you say as an absolute truth when you hold $100k in your hands.
Meanwhile I had absolute zero offers from wealthy people, because people with money are often way more intelligent.
The reason why I don't reveal any personal information is that it's completely irrelevant. I don't need a single testimonial to show my expertise, because usually the information I provide for free is better than majority of information that is out there with a high price tag. And I don't offer any products or services here, as you can see. Unlike you, for example. If you don't consider yourself an expert after so many years - why do you think that information you sell worth it?
This is not a personal attack, just think about it.

The problem with all your previous posts is that they were unconstructive, with flawed logics and lies. Now reader will need to go through a ton of BS only to realize that your statements about me were never right, how you called me a clown, how you called me out for BS and said that other users called me out as well, which is simply not true. Yes, a year ago I came to this forum and was too hyped and delusional about what I want to achieve (while I already achieved more than many, probably much more than people who tried to attack me) but it doesn't mean that I can be called out for that.
I would consider clearing this thread from all this junk if @Vigilante sees it and has a time to go through our posts, because as I said, all those personal attacks based on nothing take away the focus from the main thing of this thread, which is not even about my success. I can explain all this stuff without a single appeal to authority.
God, if I would read even just this post 5 years ago I would be much further than I'm today, quicker.

By the way, you came here to call me out and ask for proofs, forgetting the fact that I don't owe you anything. But in the other thread about PPC course you didn't say a word about how its author claims he made billions, but will show proofs only after you buy his course. (Actually he doesn't proove it at all)
Feel where the wind blows?

 

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