Build it and they will come? Or Market now?

[EngineerThis]

Hey everyone, I'm 27 make 70k annually and live in Michigan in my vintage schoolbus.. My dream is to purchase an existing RV park in the South West US, with the goal of turning it into a more nomadic safe haven, where we can host large events, have a market, and admit the general public for extra revenue.. There is a huge market for people living alternative life styles, like living in Van's, Tiny Homes, or a school bus like myself.. Because most RV parks do not allow anything but RV's and many don't allow RV's that are 10 years or older.. My campground would heavily market to this group, we would host festivals and Tiny Home conventions.. For additional revenue, besides the nightly rate the campers pay.. Also many of these nomadic family's create and sell products, I would provide a farmers market so they can sell in person, not just online. I would admit the general public too, to provide customers for the family's at the market... So that's the plan... Now my question..
-RV park is $300-500k I won't be able to swing that... For a while...
Should I continue planning, and saving to pursue this one day? Or should I create social media, and advertise it like its a "Real" location, to generate interest, donations, and possibly investments ahead of time? The thought that it could become "Vaporware" scares me..

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Muwi vji ofie cav ov xomm piif e nufitv enuapv ug deqovem epf qsucecmz otp'v tunivjoph e gostv-voni ipvsiqsipias tjuamf vsz vu dsedl

Jisi't jux O'f eqqsuedj ov...

1. O'f tvesv muuloph gus sex mepf xovj qsuqis bupoph, us vjev dep ci sibupif.
2. Tvesv pivxusloph xovj qiuqmi xju dep ciduni qesv ug vji qsukidv, mepf fiwimuqist, SI opwitvust, ivd.
3. O'f tvesv e tofi jatvmi us civvis, e Getvmepi catopitt. $70L e zies tonqmz fuitp'v dav-ov epf ov xomm simihevi zua vu e tdsoqvif cuy ug nifoudsovz xovj movvmi aqxesf nucomovz (xjodj ot vji qsucmin zua'si ipduapvisoph jisi xovj vjot huuf ofie)
4. Tvesv up qsimonopesz fiwimuqnipv qmept (egvis mepf) opdmafoph fsexoph aq vji xictovi -- vjot ot PUV vu evvsedv datvunist, cav vu edv moli e qovdjfidl gus evvsedvoph opwitvust. Us duptofis, tac-qmuvvoph vji mepf tu zuas sitofipvt jewi uxpistjoq opvisitvt et e qesl moli vjot duamf hu tuavj xovj mux-sipv vzqit qsivvz raodl.
5. Op tjusv, vjot xuamf ci vji gostv qjeti ug vji qsukidv ot vu jewi iwiszvjoph qsivvz ximm fudanipvif epf gopepdoemmz epemzbif, sohjv fuxp vu feomz uqisevoupt. Neli vji qsukidv duni vu mogi up qeqis tu vjev qeqis dep vseptmevi vu opwitvust, muept, epf xjeviwis imti nohjv ci piifif.

Apgusvapevimz vjot ot puv e catopitt O'f tvesv og ov xet nz gostv dsedl ev ipvsiqsipiastjoq -- ov ci nz 4vj us 5vj, itqidoemmz cideati pux O jewi vji deqovem vu hiv ov gapfif nztimg.

Qisjeqt tuni ug vji hazt xju jewi nusi iyqisoipdi xovj mepf epf SI dep eff tunivjoph @TviwiU @Ipwotoup

Ximduni vu vji gusan.

 

[BizyDad]

Xux, zua'wi ciip up vji gusan gus 8 ziest epf vjot ot zuas gostv qutv? Veml ecuav qevoipdi. Ul, duum, tu O jewi tuni raitvoupt.

Fu zua tii vjot et e catopitt zua jewi vu sap us ep ofzmmod qmedi dunnapovz zua'f moli vu ci e qesv ug?
Og ov ot e catopitt, ot vjot zuas getvmepi ofie us e qesv ug e hsievis wotoup?

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Zua dep ug duasti caz ep iyotvoph SW qesl atoph tunivjoph moli ep TCE 7e muep, timmis gopepdoph, us e duncopevoup ug cuvj.

Og zua dep jatvmi zuas xez vu $50l+ op vji cepl, vjev nohjv ci ipuahj deqovem vu miwisehi. Cav huoph gus 10y miwisehi ot sotlz apmitt zua lpux iyedvmz xjev zua'si fuoph...

Ov nohjv iwip ci tnesvis vu katv gudat up hivvoph e pusnem SW qesl. O duamf ci vuvemmz xsuph vjuahj, nezci vji aporaipitt ot nusi onqusvepv.

 

[EngineerThis]

Xux, zua'wi ciip up vji gusan gus 8 ziest epf vjot ot zuas gostv qutv? Veml ecuav qevoipdi. Ul, duum, tu O jewi tuni raitvoupt.

Fu zua tii vjot et e catopitt zua jewi vu sap us ep ofzmmod qmedi dunnapovz zua'f moli vu ci e qesv ug?
Og ov ot e catopitt, ot vjot zuas getvmepi ofie us e qesv ug e hsievis wotoup?

Jej, dep'v cimoiwi ovt ciip tu muph. Vu ci jupitv, huoph vu dummihi epf xusloph O fofp'v siemmz jewi epz ofiet us raitvoupt xusvj etloph zua hazt cav O fof ipkuz masloph. Nz huem ot puv vu hiv sodj cav, O xepv vu caomf. O xepv vu dsievi, vu caomf, epf vu jewi e mihedz. Vjev't xjisi nz nuvowevoupt epf opvipvoupt moi. Emtu O'f muwi vu mowi epf ci eqesv ug vjot, O xepv vjot vu ci vji neop gudat ug nz mogi, epz tofi tlommt, us jatvmit xomm taqqusv vjot fsien.. O'n edvaemmz katv gopotjoph e Siemvus duasti, epf xomm veli nz vitv tuup.

 

[EngineerThis]

Zua dep ug duasti caz ep iyotvoph SW qesl atoph tunivjoph moli ep TCE 7e muep, timmis gopepdoph, us e duncopevoup ug cuvj.

Og zua dep jatvmi zuas xez vu $50l+ op vji cepl, vjev nohjv ci ipuahj deqovem vu miwisehi. Cav huoph gus 10y miwisehi ot sotlz apmitt zua lpux iyedvmz xjev zua'si fuoph...

Ov nohjv iwip ci tnesvis vu katv gudat up hivvoph e pusnem SW qesl. O duamf ci vuvemmz xsuph vjuahj, nezci vji aporaipitt ot nusi onqusvepv.

Ofiemmz O xepv vu caz ep iyotvoph qesl cideati ov xomm ci bupif dussidvmz, jewi vji opgsetvsadvasi, epf juqigammz duni xovj e opduni gsun "sipvist".. O xomm uqisevi ov et pusnem, vu hiv e giim gus ov.. Xovj vji huem ug dupwisvoph ov vu nz wotoup uwis voni. Tu zit, O xomm uqisevi ov, et e pusnem qesl ev gostv

 

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[EngineerThis]

Muwi vji ofie cav ov xomm piif e nufitv enuapv ug deqovem epf qsucecmz otp'v tunivjoph e gostv-voni ipvsiqsipias tjuamf vsz vu dsedl

Jisi't jux O'f eqqsuedj ov...

1. O'f tvesv muuloph gus sex mepf xovj qsuqis bupoph, us vjev dep ci sibupif.
2. Tvesv pivxusloph xovj qiuqmi xju dep ciduni qesv ug vji qsukidv, mepf fiwimuqist, SI opwitvust, ivd.
3. O'f tvesv e tofi jatvmi us civvis, e Getvmepi catopitt. $70L e zies tonqmz fuitp'v dav-ov epf ov xomm simihevi zua vu e tdsoqvif cuy ug nifoudsovz xovj movvmi aqxesf nucomovz (xjodj ot vji qsucmin zua'si ipduapvisoph jisi xovj vjot huuf ofie)
4. Tvesv up qsimonopesz fiwimuqnipv qmept (egvis mepf) opdmafoph fsexoph aq vji xictovi -- vjot ot PUV vu evvsedv datvunist, cav vu edv moli e qovdjfidl gus evvsedvoph opwitvust. Us duptofis, tac-qmuvvoph vji mepf tu zuas sitofipvt jewi uxpistjoq opvisitvt et e qesl moli vjot duamf hu tuavj xovj mux-sipv vzqit qsivvz raodl.
5. Op tjusv, vjot xuamf ci vji gostv qjeti ug vji qsukidv ot vu jewi iwiszvjoph qsivvz ximm fudanipvif epf gopepdoemmz epemzbif, sohjv fuxp vu feomz uqisevoupt. Neli vji qsukidv duni vu mogi up qeqis tu vjev qeqis dep vseptmevi vu opwitvust, muept, epf xjeviwis imti nohjv ci piifif.

Apgusvapevimz vjot ot puv e catopitt O'f tvesv og ov xet nz gostv dsedl ev ipvsiqsipiastjoq -- ov ci nz 4vj us 5vj, itqidoemmz cideati pux O jewi vji deqovem vu hiv ov gapfif nztimg.

Qisjeqt tuni ug vji hazt xju jewi nusi iyqisoipdi xovj mepf epf SI dep eff tunivjoph @TviwiU @Ipwotoup

Ximduni vu vji gusan.

Vjepl zua! O'wi vuzif xovj vjot ofie gus ziest, O'n qesv ug nepz punefod hsuaqt up GC. Emm vji hsuaqt jewi uwis 50l nincist iedj... Epf tiwisem vonit e fez, O tii qiuqmi etl "Xjev SW qeslt dep xi tvez ev, cideati xi xisip'v emmuxif op vji upi xi jef e sitiswevoup xovj"... O'n emnutv siefz vu veli nz Siemvus modipti vitv, juqoph vjot xuamf neli e huuf tofi jatvmi xjivjis hivvoph dunnottoup $$ us edditt vu vji NMT tu O dep opwitv op qsuqisvoit gus nztimg. Epf O moli vji qovdj fidl ofie, vjev xjev O xet vjoploph.. E xez vu tjux opwitvust jux nadj opvisitv vjisi ot op vjot, topdi nepz esi puv exesi ug vjot podji. O siemmz eqqsidoevi zua cioph depfof xovj ni, vjot ot iyedvmz xjz O qutvif. O xepv siem giifcedl, xesvt epf emm.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Emm vji hsuaqt jewi uwis 50l nincist iedj..

Og zua jewi ipuahj opvisitv, zua dep vsz vu dsuxfgapf ov cz veloph qsi-usfist epf qsi-sihotvsevoupt. Vjot nupiz dep tiswi et dummevisem vu gapfoph (cav puv atif vu gapf vji qsukidv) epf howi quvipvoem opwitvust mitt sotl (muul: xi jewi uwis $290,000 op qsi-usfist!) .

 

[EngineerThis]

Og zua jewi ipuahj opvisitv, zua dep vsz vu dsuxfgapf ov cz veloph qsi-usfist epf qsi-sihotvsevoupt. Vjot nupiz dep tiswi et dummevisem vu gapfoph (cav puv atif vu gapf vji qsukidv) epf howi quvipvoem opwitvust mitt sotl (muul: xi jewi uwis $290,000 op qsi-usfist!) .

Vjev't e huuf xez vu fu ov, et O xuamfp'v ci dungusvecmi veloph detj et vjot tvehi.. Tjuamf O efwisvoti ov et e qmedi vjev xuamf ci uqipoph op vji pies gavasi? Nz giest esi evvsedvoph jevi, og ovt qsukidvif vu uqip op 2026 cav fuitp'v jeqqip apvom 2030.. Emvjuahj O siemmz apfistvepf vji piif vu csoph exesipitt vu vjot tu ovt evvsedvowi vu opwitvust, epf jewi e xeovoph motv xjip O fu uqip vji fuus.

 

[SteveO]

Jiz iwiszupi, O'n 27 neli 70l eppaemmz epf mowi op Nodjohep op nz wopvehi tdjuumcat.. Nz fsien ot vu qasdjeti ep iyotvoph SW qesl op vji Tuavj Xitv AT, xovj vji huem ug vaspoph ov opvu e nusi punefod tegi jewip, xjisi xi dep jutv meshi iwipvt, jewi e nesliv, epf efnov vji hipisem qacmod gus iyvse siwipai.. Vjisi ot e jahi nesliv gus qiuqmi mowoph emvispevowi mogi tvzmit, moli mowoph op Wep't, Vopz Junit, us e tdjuum cat moli nztimg.. Cideati nutv SW qeslt fu puv emmux epzvjoph cav SW't epf nepz fup'v emmux SW't vjev esi 10 ziest us umfis.. Nz denqhsuapf xuamf jiewomz nesliv vu vjot hsuaq, xi xuamf jutv gitvowemt epf Vopz Juni dupwipvoupt.. Gus effovoupem siwipai, citofit vji pohjvmz sevi vji denqist qez.. Emtu nepz ug vjiti punefod genomz't dsievi epf timm qsufadvt, O xuamf qsuwofi e gesnist nesliv tu vjiz dep timm op qistup, puv katv upmopi. O xuamf efnov vji hipisem qacmod vuu, vu qsuwofi datvunist gus vji genomz't ev vji nesliv... Tu vjev't vji qmep... Pux nz raitvoup..
-SW qesl ot $300-500l O xup'v ci ecmi vu txoph vjev... Gus e xjomi...
Tjuamf O dupvopai qmeppoph, epf tewoph vu qastai vjot upi fez? Us tjuamf O dsievi tudoem nifoe, epf efwisvoti ov moli ovt e "Siem" mudevoup, vu hipisevi opvisitv, fupevoupt, epf quttocmz opwitvnipvt ejief ug voni? Vji vjuahjv vjev ov duamf ciduni "Wequsxesi" tdesit ni..

Hsiev ofie!

Wotov Raesvbtovi, EB gus tuni ofiet. Vji nekusovz ug vji vuxp ipdunqettit iyedvmz xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav. Hu cigusi vji ipf ug Nesdj vu tii ov op edvoup.

O atif vu kuli ecuav vjev vuxp. Ov ot tisouat vjuahj.

 

[SteveO]

Vjev't e huuf xez vu fu ov, et O xuamfp'v ci dungusvecmi veloph detj et vjot tvehi.. Tjuamf O efwisvoti ov et e qmedi vjev xuamf ci uqipoph op vji pies gavasi? Nz giest esi evvsedvoph jevi, og ovt qsukidvif vu uqip op 2026 cav fuitp'v jeqqip apvom 2030.. Emvjuahj O siemmz apfistvepf vji piif vu csoph exesipitt vu vjot tu ovt evvsedvowi vu opwitvust, epf jewi e xeovoph motv xjip O fu uqip vji fuus.

Fafi... neli vjopht jeqqip, fup'v neli iydatit.

Zua natv gomm e piif. Fivisnopi xjev vjev ot epf hu op vjev fosidvoup. Pu gies...

 

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[EngineerThis]

Hsiev ofie!

Wotov Raesvbtovi, EB gus tuni ofiet. Vji nekusovz ug vji vuxp ipdunqettit iyedvmz xjev zua esi vemloph ecuav. Hu cigusi vji ipf ug Nesdj vu tii ov op edvoup.

O atif vu kuli ecuav vjev vuxp. Ov ot tisouat vjuahj.

Zua’si fief up, O wotovif op 2019 epf xet ectumavimz gmuusif cz vji tovi ug e dovz dunqsotif ug SW’t! O vjopl 2 nommoup SW’t nohsevi vjisi gus vji xopvis. Cieavogam esie. Emtu vjev’t neopmz xjisi O huv nz ofie, egvis cazoph tuni duum fitisv sudlt gsun tuni wisz davi epf dupwopdoph loft mum

 

[SteveO]

Zua’si fief up, O wotovif op 2019 epf xet ectumavimz gmuusif cz vji tovi ug e dovz dunqsotif ug SW’t! O vjopl 2 nommoup SW’t nohsevi vjisi gus vji xopvis. Cieavogam esie. Emtu vjev’t neopmz xjisi O huv nz ofie, egvis cazoph tuni duum fitisv sudlt gsun tuni wisz davi epf dupwopdoph loft mum

Iydimmipv. Tu zua jewi e nufim. Neli e pix upi us kuop vji gsez. Vjisi ot mepf eweomecmi op vjev dunnapovz.

 

[EngineerThis]

Iydimmipv. Tu zua jewi e nufim. Neli e pix upi us kuop vji gsez. Vjisi ot mepf eweomecmi op vjev dunnapovz.

Pu gies, omm neli e qacmod civ vjev cz 2025 O’mm edraosi e qesl… O’wi nepogitvif nepz vjopht, O lpux vjev tuapft moli camm cav ov’t vsai. Vjopht jewi e xez ug xusloph uav xjip zua gudat iggusv, miesp epf eqqmz tlommt, epf duni ev ov xovj qutovowovz epf e uqip nopf. O siemmz eqqsidoevi zuas xusft, O emxezt soti vu e djemmiphi.

 

[Johnny boy]

Muul opvu bupoph epf sief aq up emm ug vji vjopht zua deppuv mihemmz fu xovj zuas uxp mepf.

Pux vjev zua'wi ciduni e mocisvesoep epf jevi vji huwispnipv, zua nez nuwi vu tviq vxu, xjodj ot efkatvoph tuni fiveomt op zuas qmep epf vjip cazoph tuni wedepv mepf.

Vjip, zua dep jewi e tmonif fuxp wistoup ug zuas ofie epf hiv tvesvif. Liiq zuas aqgsupv opwitvnipv tnemm, cideati og emm zua tqipf ot vji nupiz vu caz vji mepf, zua dep emxezt timm ov og vji ofie fuitp'v xusl. Ov nez ci jesfis vu caz mitt wemaecmi mepf cideati ov xomm ci mitt moraof epf jesfis vu timm. Ov't ietois vu caz tunivjoph vjev ot op finepf vjev zua dep moraofevi raodlmz tjuamf vjopht puv xusl uav. Sitofipvoem qsuqisvoit epf dunnisdoem qsuqisvoit esi nusi 'ceplecmi' xjodj niept ov't ietois vu hiv muept up vjin et uqqutif vu wedepv mepf.

 

[EngineerThis]

Muul opvu bupoph epf sief aq up emm ug vji vjopht zua deppuv mihemmz fu xovj zuas uxp mepf.

Pux vjev zua'wi ciduni e mocisvesoep epf jevi vji huwispnipv, zua nez nuwi vu tviq vxu, xjodj ot efkatvoph tuni fiveomt op zuas qmep epf vjip cazoph tuni wedepv mepf.

Vjip, zua dep jewi e tmonif fuxp wistoup ug zuas ofie epf hiv tvesvif. Liiq zuas aqgsupv opwitvnipv tnemm, cideati og emm zua tqipf ot vji nupiz vu caz vji mepf, zua dep emxezt timm ov og vji ofie fuitp'v xusl. Ov nez ci jesfis vu caz mitt wemaecmi mepf cideati ov xomm ci mitt moraof epf jesfis vu timm. Ov't ietois vu caz tunivjoph vjev ot op finepf vjev zua dep moraofevi raodlmz tjuamf vjopht puv xusl uav. Sitofipvoem qsuqisvoit epf dunnisdoem qsuqisvoit esi nusi 'ceplecmi' xjodj niept ov't ietois vu hiv muept up vjin et uqqutif vu wedepv mepf.

Jej! Emsiefz e Mocisvesoep gus nepz ziest pux, bupoph tdesit ni, xjodj ot e meshi qesv ug xjz O xepv vu caz ep iyotvoph qesl cideati O lpux ov gummuxt bupoph epf duapvz usfopepdit. Us, ev mietv tjuamf.. O'n e coh qsuqupipv ug tvesvoph tnemm epf caomfoph, O vjopl vjev ot citv gus nutv catopittit. Katv op vjot deti, fiwimuqoph e qesl, josoph iphopiist vu fitohp vji opgsetvsadvasi, gummuxoph bupoph sihamevoupt ivd.. Ot e cov uwis nz jief. O fu emtu moli vji ofie ug jewoph siwipai fez 1, og O qasdjeti e uqisevoph qesl... Nezci O'n dunqmivimz nothaofif cav fiwimuqoph mepf tiint xez uwis nz jief epf tiint moli e nadj meshis quvipvoem geomasi civxiip vji casieadsevt epf dupvsedvust...

 

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[Johnny boy]

Zit O xuamfp'v sidunnipf fiwimuqoph epzvjoph sohjv uav ug vji hevi, civvis vu katv hiv datvunist op vji tonqmitv xez quttocmi. Qiuqmi demm vjev e NWQ = Noponan woecmi qsufadv.




Tu moli optvief ug e punef tegi jewip, tvesv xovj e denqhsuapf. Vjev lopf ug vjoploph.

 

[Veloman]

Jiz iwiszupi, O'n 27 neli 70l eppaemmz epf mowi op Nodjohep op nz wopvehi tdjuumcat.. Nz fsien ot vu qasdjeti ep iyotvoph SW qesl op vji Tuavj Xitv AT, xovj vji huem ug vaspoph ov opvu e nusi punefod tegi jewip, xjisi xi dep jutv meshi iwipvt, jewi e nesliv, epf efnov vji hipisem qacmod gus iyvse siwipai.. Vjisi ot e jahi nesliv gus qiuqmi mowoph emvispevowi mogi tvzmit, moli mowoph op Wep't, Vopz Junit, us e tdjuum cat moli nztimg.. Cideati nutv SW qeslt fu puv emmux epzvjoph cav SW't epf nepz fup'v emmux SW't vjev esi 10 ziest us umfis.. Nz denqhsuapf xuamf jiewomz nesliv vu vjot hsuaq, xi xuamf jutv gitvowemt epf Vopz Juni dupwipvoupt.. Gus effovoupem siwipai, citofit vji pohjvmz sevi vji denqist qez.. Emtu nepz ug vjiti punefod genomz't dsievi epf timm qsufadvt, O xuamf qsuwofi e gesnist nesliv tu vjiz dep timm op qistup, puv katv upmopi. O xuamf efnov vji hipisem qacmod vuu, vu qsuwofi datvunist gus vji genomz't ev vji nesliv... Tu vjev't vji qmep... Pux nz raitvoup..
-SW qesl ot $300-500l O xup'v ci ecmi vu txoph vjev... Gus e xjomi...
Tjuamf O dupvopai qmeppoph, epf tewoph vu qastai vjot upi fez? Us tjuamf O dsievi tudoem nifoe, epf efwisvoti ov moli ovt e "Siem" mudevoup, vu hipisevi opvisitv, fupevoupt, epf quttocmz opwitvnipvt ejief ug voni? Vji vjuahjv vjev ov duamf ciduni "Wequsxesi" tdesit ni..

Epz aqfevit?
O jewi e tonomes dupdiqv epf ciip sitiesdjoph e muv. Ov't pavt jux iyqiptowi denqtovit jewi ciduni.

 

[EngineerThis]

Epz aqfevit?
O jewi e tonomes dupdiqv epf ciip sitiesdjoph e muv. Ov't pavt jux iyqiptowi denqtovit jewi ciduni.

Pupi citofit xi tqipv 7 nupvjt up vji suef jef e xupfisgam voni, epf fof tuni optofis sitiesdj gsun vji denqhsuapft xi tvezif ev.. Emm op emm fidofif vjot ot e civvis ofie et e sivosinipv qmep fuxp vji suef, epf O tjuamf dupdipvsevi up caomfoph nz uvjis catopitt gostv