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Remiremi

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I understand what you are saying but I really need to achieve this goal in the next 3 to 9 months because I live in a 3rd world country and I want to further my studies in the US. I am a web designer by the way and I am following @Fox advice on how to scale that high.
So don't you think 18 months is too much

Then my advice is to aim for achieving it in 9 months not 3.

Find for yourself how you can do it with certainty in the next nine months.
And then PROMISE YOURSELF TO MAKE SMALL PROGRESS DAILY.


This is my advice, good luck
 

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This was the first test I did with John's personality test, I got Entp

This is the 2nd test result -
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I tried the idrlabs, Typologycentral and Michael Caloz test an got Intj instead.

Which type description do you relate most with? Start with INTP and INTJ. I'm inclined to believe you're not an extroverted type.
 

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Which type description do you relate most with? Start with INTP and INTJ. I'm inclined to believe you're not an extroverted type.
I don't really know. The first time I ever took a personality test, I got Intp.

I think I am a mixture of INTP, ENTP and INTJ. I have the brainstorming of an INTP, I have a goofy side and love debating like an ENTP and I can make long term goals like an INTJ, although i find it hard to follow it due to low motivation or procrastination.

I am also act as a rebel, I not really into traditional or cultural stuff and hate the school system.

I heard that if you are struggling to identify if you are INTP or ENTP, then you must be ENTP. Is that true?
 

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Then my advice is to aim for achieving it in 9 months not 3.

Find for yourself how you can do it with certainty in the next nine months.
And then PROMISE YOURSELF TO MAKE SMALL PROGRESS DAILY.


This is my advice, good luck
I have a question. Why are they few successful or billionaire ENTPs while INTPs have Bill Gates, Larry Page etc.
 

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I don't really know. The first time I ever took a personality test, I got Intp.

I think I am a mixture of INTP, ENTP and INTJ. I have the brainstorming of an INTP, I have a goofy side and love debating like an ENTP and I can make long term goals like an INTJ, although i find it hard to follow it due to low motivation or procrastination.

I am also act as a rebel, I not really into traditional or cultural stuff and hate the school system.

I heard that if you are struggling to identify if you are INTP or ENTP, then you must be ENTP. Is that true?

Ahh. Yep, sounds pretty ENTP.
 

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I have kind of Laos track of this thread but spot the words ENTP and ADHD.
So wish to add that I (also have adhd and always get E/NTP) have done lots of research around fitting into this world with my type of brain.

Stumbled upon a book and a guy called Michael Ferguson- Drummer and the Great Mountain.

I now have regular online treatment/therapy with this guy who’s waiting list is months long.

Basically it’s ditching the ‘ADHD’ name given by ‘medical term’ and calling us HUNTER TYPES.

There’s 2 type of people in this world.
Hunters and farmers.
Once reading through the first 2 chapters (I listen on audible because cannot read /concentrate long enough) you would understand the logic of this and the history.

It basically spans the entire realm of what us Hunter types need to function in the ‘modern world’.
It has CHANGED MY LIFE.

Likewise TMF etc
I would highly suggest anyone that feels they have ADHD or just don’t understand why simple things are just so difficult - aka normal life stuff, to read it and delve further.
 

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Love the concept of this thread. Personality isn't permanent, but while improving certain characteristics, I believe knowing yourself as much as possible is a key factor in success.

Unfortunately not an ENTP, but ISTJ. But will be reviewing. Perhaps partnering with an ENTP is a good idea
 

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Thanks for this thread, @Remiremi. I think this is one of the most important threads for some of us on this forum.

I'm an INFP (thanks Simon), so "just" auxiliary Ne, but I struggle a hell lot with what you described on your first post. My attention span is close to zero sometimes. I remember one particular day day where I decided to take 5 different career paths within that day. Insane. Let alone planning for the weekend and ending up doing any other random thing that catches my attention. I can imagine what nightmare this is for dominant Ne folks.

I think your video was really interesting too. The "what do you want?" question is more difficult than it seems. And sometimes there's a big conflict between what you want and what you have to do because your passions or interests don't align with what the market needs. Or maybe you have a couple of interests that are too different to build a business around all of them and it's difficult to choose. I think your weakness mitigations help a lot to at least ship something, even if it doesn't lead to a business (yet).

One thing I found useless for people with too many interests is to split the day into time buckets, as in school, and allocate one for each topic. I wonder whether this works for some people, but for me it drains my energy because I need to split my attention too much, which is already scattered enough. I found it better to follow what you say about letting yourself to make the most of the attention span for each interest.
 

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Hello friends, are you an ENTP? Are you struggling with finishing things? Are you wondering why you can't seem to follow the monk-like discipline you crave so much?

This post is for you. (ps: This post may also apply to INTP, INFP, and ENFP, but it's not guaranteed. It has been primarily written for my fellow ENTP in mind.)

If you are a bit like me, and you probably are, you admire people of the ENTJ or INTJ types. The Elon Musks, the smart lads with the incredible power of execution.

They decide to do something and they just do it.

And you want that power, you want to be awesome at execution...

You have so many ideas (that you believe are amazing and revolutionary) if you concretize those ideas you will be on top of the world, don't you?

But when you start to work on them on your own, as a side-project or a business, your work ethic is gone, nowhere to be seen.

That's weird because you have an incredible work ethic everywhere else, be it at your job or in a team. You are always craving to learn more and become better. You always produce top-grade stuff and you are relentless. You are proud of this. And people agree with that statement.

You then, think you can make it out on your own, as skillful as you are, it would be a shame not to try.

But when you take the leap, you come to quickly realize, it's gonna be hard than expected.

First obstacle? Yourself.

You just can't seem to do what you know needs to be done.

You face a procrastination level more intense than anything you've never met in your life. Except maybe for that time you wanted to confess your love to your crush as a teenager.

You need to understand you are not a cold-blooded strategist that will follow a plan to completion.

You must understand this: You are an explorer! You go where your interest leads you. And when you are motivated by a will to explore your curiosity, YOU ARE UNSTOPPABLE.

The other side of the coin says, when you are disinterested in the tasks at hand, you feel bored as hell and will probably find a way to escape from doing the tasks at hand.

Your driving force is not the perspective of making shit loads of cash, neither it is the perspective of freedom, and sorry to break it to you, your driving force is not your desire to change the world for the better.

Your driving force is your curiosity. This is your motor.

With curiosity, you are a tsunami. Nothing will get in the way of the answer you seek.

Without curiosity, you are very good at finding excuses to not do what bores you out.

Why does it matter?

It matters because you will probably do the following mistake...

You will decide on a goal and following contemporary advice decide to make it S.M.A.R.T. Which basically means realistic with an arbitrary deadline.

Your strategizing mind will help you devise a sound plan of action, and your knack for creativity help you discerned a way you can even kill two birds with one stone.

You talk about it with whoever might be willing to listen and you feel on top of the world.

The first day? You are killing it. The second day? You are killing it.

The third day, you get sidetracked...

One month later? You haven't even achieved 10% of what you set out to do.

You were supposed to be able to do it in three months by focusing intensely.

Now, this seem very compromised. You feel miserable and guilty. You wonder if you are any good at anything.

This scenario keeps happening again, again, and again... Until you give up or you stumble upon the truth.

Let's give a closer look at your primary hypothesis.

So you were thinking you can do it in just three months by focusing intensely?

Well good news, you were half right.

You can do it...

...But not in three months.

Why?

Because even though you can focus intensely consistently on the subject you are curious about.

You can't stay curious about the same subject consistently.

So your curiosity will lead you to places you can't predict.

You just know one thing for sure, if you were interested in something one day, you will be interested in that thing again. You just can't predict when.

You will actually bring that project to completion effortlessly, but not in the shortest time possible.

Instead of the three months, you estimated, it will likely be six to nine months.

And that's ok, because that won't be the only thing you have done in those six to nine months.

You have an unprecedented capacity for multithreading, you just can't allocate all your threads to one project. It must be different projects. This is how you are.

If you are curious about something, you will want to drop the ball on your current project to satisfy your curiosity. And you must do it.

But every time you follow your curiosity you must find a way to get away with more than just knowledge.

Unused knowledge is ephemeral, vanishing as swiftly as it was acquired.

You must build something from the fruit of your recently acquired knowledge that will stand the test of time and bring you a small but lasting advantage.

It doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be there.

THE KEY THING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS: You must shift from a consumer to a producer.

You must start producing stuff. Start businesses, start a blog, do everything you want, but DO. (keyword do, not just read about/learn about etc....)

It's normal for you to getting informed about something you are interested in, but you need to act on it. You must build something out of it. You must share it with the world.

You must create things and release them in the world. I REPEAT. You must create things and release them in the word.

You don't have to follow a great mastermind plan, you don't have to follow a routine or fixed planning. You don't have to torture yourself to heck out every last bit of productivity there's inside you.

You just need to listen to yourself and follow your curiosity. And to do it everyday.

Your strength is the speed at which you can pivot.

You can change your mind and start working on something different than what you were doing, at full speed, and immediately.

You can survey a complicated question an bring back multiple possible answers at the speed of light.

You are impulsive and adaptable. You can do anything you want because you will always find a way... As long as you are interested.

This surges of productivity come at a cost. Your interest in a particular thing has a very short shelf-life.
One to two days top. Sometimes it's less than a couple of hours.

If you don't catch the wave of curiosity, it's gone, and sometimes it's gone for several weeks or months.

So expecting yourself to work on the same project, without interruptions every day for three months in a row? ... You are being oblivious to your own nature, my friend.

You probably know that by now, the biggest predictor of entrepreneurial success is consistency.

Then how can you expect success if you can't stay on track and schedule for more than two weeks?

You need to build a different kind of consistency than a rigid routine and prison-like tight schedules.

You need to play on your strength: Explore and Exploit ASAP.

Don't explore something without bringing back a treasure from your adventure.


Examples:

  • You were curious about nutrition and muscle-growth gym regimen? You binge-learned every possible way to do it (instead of doing your job lol). You just acquired way too much knowledge to expect yourself to remember it a week from now. So applying it consistently? Out of your league.
    The solution? Swiftly assemble a training and nutrition guide based on what you just explored, package it in a nice PDF, and then share it with the world. You can decide to monetize it or just to share it for free on a forum, it doesn't matter. It will help some people, and that's good for your karma. Second benefit, the day you will want to actually go to the gym, you can just follow your own guideline. Two birds, one stone.
  • You are learning Python and discover the weird world of Decorators and Closures. This stuff is basically out of your league and at your level you will probably never use it. But you can't shake off the feeling. You start binging and learning mystical stuff. Before you go back to the real world to what will actually move you forward in the grand scheme of things, put on together in one shot a blog post that you will publish on Medium behind the paywall. Boom! Three birds, one stone: Personal Branding & Portfolio : check; a very slim source of additional passive income: check; a quick way to retrieve your long-lost knowledge about closures when you finally need it, three years from now: check.
  • Well you see the idea, indulge your instinct and before the honeymoon ends, build something that will last. In this way, you will shift from an inconsistent being to a prolific and polymath builder. You will shift from consumer to producer.







So by now, if you are an ENTP, you are probably envisioning what I am talking about.

I want to add a couple of other points... Playing on your strength also means you need to mitigate your weakness.

Your strength and weaknesses are two faces of the same coin. You can't get one without the other.

During my short time on earth as an entrepreneurial ENTP, I have summarized below everything I know about mitigating our innate weaknesses.









Weakness mitigation tips #1: You can only respect HARD DEADLINES.

There's two kind of deadlines: HARD deadlines and SOFT deadlines.

HARD deadlines are deadlines you must respect. When you are under hard deadlines, you work like crazy to respect them. Those are often imposed by a promise or the external environment. Hard Deadlines are why you have so much work ethic when you work for somebody else.

SOFT deadlines are deadlines you don't have obligation to respect. Basically they are deadlines you can bullshit yourselves out of easily. Often those are arbitrary and self-imposed, for example, SMART Goals. Soft deadlines are why you have so few work ethic when you work for yourself.

The litmus test is simple, "Can I find a way to not respect that deadline?".
If you start generating a thousand ideas about how to do so, then it's a soft deadline and this deadline means nothing to you and will bring you nothing. (except guilt)


So you being too clever may start to think? "Oh, gotcha I just need to change every deadline into a HARD deadline".

NO! Don't do this. The only way to do this is to take risks and to put yourself at a disadvantage. You are basically gambling on yourself just to create the pressure necessary to do the work. This is a horrible way to live your life.

(ex of this destructive behavior: Damaging relationships just to be sure you will do something. Wasting all your money to let the pressure of feeding your family let you work like crazy, etc...)

As an ENTP what you crave is freedom, this way of proceeding (a.k.a. burn your bridges) is the polar opposite of freedom. It will make you feel miserable and burn you out, also it sucks because you are destructing what you build to build more. This is terrible. Don't do it.

Just understand that soft deadlines mean nothing to you and plan accordingly.

Don't gamble on a deadline you can bullshit yourself out of.

Soft deadlines are a distraction to you, those are noise. SMART goals stuff like that, forget those, they don't work with you.

But also, don't take on too many hard deadlines at the same time.

Those hard deadlines are like prison chains to you. And what you crave is freedom.

If you enchain yourself too much, you will burnout.


This leave the question. How an ENTP can get stuff done?

Weakness Mitigation tip #2: Boredom is like a steel wall to you. You can't get through it and have to wait for the door of curiosity to open.

So what should I do? The ENTP equivalent of taking massive actions.

You must play to your strength and mitigate your weakness.

Follow your curiosity and build something from your exploration. Build it quickly, in a couple of hours or max. You must build it before your curiosity wither.

Understand that boredom is your limit. You can only go through boredom excruciatingly. This is your hard deadline for every project, you must finish the milestone before boredom takes you and your curiosity wants to go somewhere else.

A quick note about perfection?
What you build must never be perfect. Perfection is your enemy, it makes you anxious and buries you in analysis paralysis. (= you don't do shit and feel shitty about it)

What should I do when I am bored with a project and want to do something else?

You must stop and do something else. You will get back to the project eventually if you were interested once, you will be interested twice.

Weakness Mitigation tip #3: Don't make plans more detailed than a rough outline.

A detailed and carefully crafted plan is wasted on you... You will never follow it through.

Don't spend time creating detailed stratagems to get to your goals. THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME, DO SOMETHING ELSE INSTEAD.

You are tactical and agile. The time horizon you can plan on is limited to a couple of hours. It's very short.

For the long term, you can guess how things are gonna roughly. Your intuition power is often on point.

It's even more powerful when you feed your intuition with data. How do you get your data?

Every time you want to plan your future, turn to your past instead and log what you have been doing in the last few days.

You want to empirically determine your speed of production. Take the time to keep track of what you did during the day.

You can use this basic template:

Questions to gather data about your explorations:
1. What have I been interested in the last few day?
2. How did I go about exploring that interests?
3. What did I get out of it?
4. How long did it took?
5. What have I build-out of what I discovered? How have I used it?
6. How long did it took?
7. Is there thing I can do better next time? Things I need to avoid next time?


Answer those questions every two to three days. (Optimally, every time you finish a cycle of Exploration / Exploitation)

Store those answers in a way you can easily access those later. (Don't just write on a spare napkin and throw it away).

Weakness Mitigation tip # 4: Don't try to follow a perfect routine.

In the same way, hard deadlines are a chain to you, trying to respect arbitrary daily planning will lower your available energy for the day.

Instead, have a shortlist of 5 mandatory items you must do during the day and that you can do quickly.

If you can't cross every item of that list in less than 100 minutes, the list is too long.

An example can be:
  • Meditate 10 minutes.
  • Walk the dog.
  • Do the dishes.
  • Quick workout at the gym.
  • Write in my journal.
Sometimes you will meditate in the morning, sometimes before you go to bed, sometimes during the commute. Doesn't matter, you need the flexibility to do things when you are ready for those.

What matters is that you crossed every item of the list, not when you crossed those.

The rest of the day, follow your curiosity relentlessly and get something out of it.

Weakness Mitigation tip #5: Keep your Anxiety in check... It keeps your from entering a Flow state.

First of all, You must strive to get into Flow. Getting into flow every day is your bread and butter as an ENTP.

Though there's one thing that can keep you from entering a Flow state even if you are well rested, in good health, and will push you to immediate-rewards behavior.(ex:... alcohol, infinite scrolling, eating way too much sugar, gambling, buying spree, opening 200+ tabs on your web browser about a shitty subject you don't even care about)

This thing is Anxiety.

You must learn to effectively manage your anxiety level. Because when highly stressed and without a hard deadline, you are basically dysfunctional and will get nothing done.
(Please remember that high-stress level and hard pressure to get things done is a miserable way to live your life. It's okay once in a while but don't abuse it.)

So do things that help you rest and recover. Make a conscious effort to recover and balance your innate restlessness.
Examples:
- Sport you genuinely enjoy
- Meditation
- Light encounter with your social circle
- Playing games
- Read books unrelated to your goals. (fiction, or history)
- Get a massage.
- Dance, Concert, Restaurant
- Journaling, gratitudes etc...

Weakness Mitigation tip #6: Inject a bit of order in your life.

Then, because you are so future and possibly oriented you need help to organize things that happened in your past.
  • Some of us are a mess when it comes to meetings and time constraints or remembering special events like birthdays. Get a calendar, note everything inside, check it often.
  • Your life memory is foggy at best and can't remember specifics even if you try hard, it often means you are totally wrong about your achievements and efforts (often wrongly believe you never did anything right) ⇒ Spend time every day to journal about your life, log your decisions and log your achievements. Include specifics like mood, time spent on task etc... When in doubt about what you have been doing, you can read those logs to help you access data you would have forget otherwise.
  • Revisiting your life is very difficult for you as you get immediately distracted. If you believe you have a trauma from your childhood (and most people have) Consider going to a psychologist who will guide you through the fumes of your past.
  • You want a boost of productivity and increase your odds of success in the short term. Get an accountability coach that will help you add some order in your life. (Getting a coach is one of the ways to help you achieve soft deadlines you would not be able to honor otherwise), it also helps you clarify and be more surgical about your focus.
  • You forget the things your family / entourage needs you to do (do the laundry, send wishes for birthday etc...)

Weakness Mitigation tip #7: Become more aware of your mind, thoughts and body.

You must strive to be aware of your mental state, to identify when you start to get bored and must finish asap or to identify when you are curious about something.

The best way to do so is to practice mindfulness meditation (yes seriously) and to do sports that demand to be aware of the mind-body connection.

This will help you be more tuned toward your sensations and thoughts. Which is key to live a more fluid and free life.

Weakness Mitigation tip #8: GET RID OF YOUR PHONE / SOCIAL MEDIA
Phones are engineered to suck your attention away from whatever your doing. Your attention is a raw resource they monetize.

As an ENTP you are curious and novelty-seeker, and you are very competent at indulging your curiosity for hours on end.


Attention vampires have access to brilliant minds that they pay a lot to spend their day engineering way to suck your attention for the sake of ad profits.


Against a phone, you are at the bottom of the food chain.

PHONES ARE YOUR NATURAL ENEMY.

Possible solutions to mitigate the damage from your phone:
- Destroy it.
- Use apps blocker like
STAY-FOCUSED (android)
- Use phone blocker like FOREST.
(ps: it doubles as a Pomodoro app, and is gamified which makes you less likely to bypass it, you sly fox)
- Use a way to track and realize how much time you waste on your phone, like STAY-FOCUSED. (prepare to be shocked)
- Change the color of your phone in grey-scale or invert white/black, attention vampires use flashy colors to suck you in, you can fight that by getting rid of colors.
How to do it with iPhone here, and how to do it with Android here.
- Destroy it.

- Buy a NOKIA 3310, a hand-held GPS, a vintage MP3 player, a nice watch, and a paper agenda. If you think about it, everybody has a phone so you don't really need one, as you can just ask to borrow the functionality you lack.

I repeat. GET RID OF YOUR PHONE. Thank me later.

Weakness Mitigation tip #9: You don't do well in a pond of sharks, you need a supportive and encouraging environment.


You are trusting and willing to see the best face of everyone you meet. You want to collaborate and share your knowledge.

You are good in a team and with people, especially when you can assume everybody is on the same side.

You want to trust people, and you usually demonstrate trust first. Keep doing that, it's one of your competitive edges.

But a word of caution, trusting people first doesn't mean people should be safe double-crossing you.

Of course, some foe will want to abuse your willingness to help.

If somebody abuses your trusting identity YOU MUST RETALIATE. I am serious.

You will know when somebody abuses your kindness. Your Machiavellian side will know immediately. DON'T MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE VILLAINS.

THEY CROSS YOU, YOU CROSS THEM. PERIOD.

ONCE YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED YOU CAN BITE AS WELL AS YOU CAN SMILE
and both sides are bleeding, YOU CAN THEN SHOW FORGIVENESS.

AFTER ALL, YOU DON'T LIKE CONFLICT.


This assumes that you are evolving in an environment where people willing to screw you are an anomaly, and most people are on your side.

If you realize that people wanting to screw you over are the norm, then you are in a pond of shark AND YOU MUST RUNAWAY ASAP.

Let the evil political game and the House of Cards vibe for the people who thrive in those corrosive environments.

This is not you.

You will thrive more in a group that is trusting and encouraging, united in a common cause.

The fact that you have a developed Machiavellian mind doesn't mean you must use it at 100%.

If people around you are mean, calculating, or vain. Leave, without looking back.

Weakness Mitigation tip #10: Don't bet on speed. Build an advantage for the long game instead.

Because, when you start out as an ENTP, you will never be the first to arrive somewhere...
(When you will become an experienced ENTP, this will change, as your tactical velocity will be unheard of, but when you start, well... You are not the fastest.)
... You must not pick your battles based on rewards correlated with a short time to arrival... (Example, you are starting out with dropshipping, you see everybody is going for fidget spinners. Don't go for it, you will arrive after the battle.)
... Instead, You must pick your battle based on long term compounded rewards. (Example, learning skills that are difficult and valuable to master. Code, Copywriting, Writing, Consulting.)

Then once you start to have an edge that is difficult to replicate...(Example; you are a blockchain enthusiast, but you probably know things more in-depth than most of the other blockchain enthusiasts.)
... Pick a battle that will complement it and that triggers your curiosity (Example, starting a blog about blockchain + learning how to do first-class SEO).

Even though everybody was faster than you in the short run... (Example, your accountability partner Tom became a millionaire just in two years, and you were still in your parent basement)
... On the long run, you will establish a valuable strategic advantage that is hard for anybody else to replicate. (Example: Five years later, your Blockchain blog is ranked first on google and is monetized with ads, You keep getting people asking you to interview you and you started a consulting business about blockchain. You never made that much money in your life and you now have a strong network. You basically do what you want, when you want, with who you want, from anywhere you want.).




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Alright I am getting bored, just one last thing before we go...

TLDR: implement the code written below in your daily life. It will do the trick, I know you will figure out the specifics on your own.


ENTP?

Be Patient and Restless




You must be patient in the long term.

You will get where you want.

But you won't get there in the shortest amount of time possible.

Because you will take so many detours.

So be patient.




You must be restless in the sort term.

Want to explore an option, fine, do it.

Go all the way.

Unleash your curiosity.

... But you must make a pact with yourself.

Every time you unleash your curiosity, you must build a memento and share it with the world.

A simple recipe...


1/ Explore until bored.

2/ Quickly build something valuable for others.

3/ Share it to the people who most need it.


You are an explorer and every time you go on an adventure, you bring back wonderful treasures, undiscovered before.

Promise yourself you won't keep those treasures to yourself and will share those with the world.

Once your oath is taken, go.

Explore.

Follow your curiosity relentlessly.

Everyday.

You are free now.




BONUS:

What does it look like when you are not playing to your strength and mitigating your weakness?:


You are doing something, let's call it interest A. You begin to be interested in interest B.
You decide to keep doing interest A.
You slowly get bored and pick up your phone.
Five hours later, you haven't finished working on interest A.
You feel guilty and have trouble falling asleep this evening.
You wake up, lethargic, it takes you four hours before finally getting to work on interest A.
It's excruciatingly boring but you manage to finish it. You begin to be interested in interest C.
You repress it and start working on interest B.
And so on and so on....

It feels like an uphill battle.

Also, it's depressing because you know your current velocity of execution is nowhere near your actual potential...


What does it look like when you play to your strength and mitigate your weaknesses?

You are doing something, let's call it interest A. You begin to be interested in interest B.

You switch your focus on interest B.
Five hours later you know everything you could know about interest B. You are still hungry for more.
You decide to produce something about your discovery.
(for the sake of example and to give you an idea of what it could be, let's say it's an article you will put on medium behind the paywall and you include a bait to your newsletter.)
Three hours later you are done with the building phase, you share it with the world and go to bed.
You feel good and sleep well.
You wake up, early in the morning, your interest for interest A is back and you feel the urge to do something about it.
You jump out of bed and start working asap, forgetting breakfast. By noon you are done with interest A.
You begin to be interested in interest C. You start working immediately on interest C.
And so on and so on.

You are prolific and restless. Your cumulative speed of production is unheard of. You are proud of you.

Could you have been done with interest A sooner if you had double down on it? No. You can't get away with boredom. This is your limit.

This is why you need to be patient. You are like a wind vane, you keep turning. So you will get there. You just won't get there by the shortest path.

This is why you need to be restless. Because you have to take the detour and answer the calling of your curiosity, you have to move as fast as possible, or you will never finish anything.



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Hope it helps,

Rémi

P.S.: Btw, from my slim understanding of typology, this can maybe apply also to INFP, ENFP, and INTP.

DAMN. Great work in putting this together in an actionable and useful format.

After years of (intermittently going very deep) learning and testing ideas from many psychometric models, the conclusions I was coming to as an INTP are what you've articulated so well in your post.

I kept going "But, system 'x' (GTD etc) works for so many, why not me?" and thought that I was doing something wrong.

Finally after desiging so many 'elegant' productivity systems, I realised that I need 3 - 5 priorities for the day, and 3 - 5 time blocks where I focussed on the priority items, with other 'fun' and 'admin' type items spread in between.

The idea to pursue the various interests and then create something valuable out of them before flitting off to the next one is GOLD on its own, and is something I will be integrating into my workflow. :)

Thanks for taking the time to share your findings. :)

PS. You are right, these do apply at least for INTP's as much as it does for ENTP's. :)

Very relatable and well-written, ENTP here with a 8w7 enneagram.

I have a progress thread where you can witness the potential and the disappointment that is the ENTP with striking resemblance to what is depicted here.

My super interests from age 14 to 22:

1. League of Legends - started out ultra bad, became a Challenger player in a few years, quit about 5-6 times before I reached that goa. Procrastinated streaming for a long time and ended up quitting for the 10th time or so since I used to be #1 in the world with a champion in the game. This has been on and off since 2012 and I think I quit for good, though I often feel like competing again. I probably played a total of 3 years from 2012 to 2012, so I spent a longer time off the game than on it.

2. Ecommerce/Dropshipping - spent 6 months learning everything from scratch (googled how to get rich and landed on the forum) then set out and created my whole store (did not touch the design after, it was good) + set up payment methods in just one morning, launched a product by lunch and in the afternoon I already had sales and ended up earning $30K a month from that. Got ultra sick for years, almost died a few times and the store + my money evaporated (among other things).

3. Formula 1 - dream since I was a child was to become an F1 racer. Father laughed at the idea and said that's not possible since we're from Bulgaria and poor. Now I am even more invested in the sport, bought a sim racing wheel + games and have eSports level competitive lap times after half a year of on/off driving. If I have a son one day I'm going to help him achieve whatever the f*ck he wants, and if it's to become an F1 driver I'm going to take him karting and sponsor him until his talent is recognized and bigger names take over with me in the management role.

4. Web design / Digital marketing - Started out in May last year, did 2 sites for free. I completely forgot about it until I decided to go at it again after going in debt from my 5th dropshipping attempt THIS May. Ended up learning how to cold call, close meetings and sales and I'm not in debt anymore. I can't really scale this locally and I'm not entirely interested in the idea anyway, so I decided to start reaching out to US businesses with cold emails + video audits. My pronounciation improved a ton and I'm sending out e-mails but it's something like 10 video emails one day, 3 the next, 0 for a week and then 5, 10, 15 the next few days. Then another idea catches my interest or I start reminiscing about League of Legends/Formula 1 and my theoretical streaming/sim racing success.

I'm really guilty of letting my close ones pressure me into being more productive. I've always felt they just don't understand, but then again it's not a terrible idea to improve the dreaded Si function. I can still only make my bed in the morning for 3 consecutive days and that's the end of that.

Weed helps when I get overwhelmed (keeps my Crohn's disease in remission as well).

Thanks for making this thread again, lots of valuable info and a perfect example of "practice what you preach".


P.S The only way to be 99.9% sure you're an ENTP (get it) is if you "tried out" every one of the 16 personalities for size at one point. I've managed to convince myself I'm an ENTJ, INTJ, ISFP, INFP, ENFJ, ISTP, ISTJ and etc. But I always end up coming back to ENTP lol.

John's Personality Test - Accurate and quick cognitive functions test.

@Simon Angel - Thanks for sharing that test. :)

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I just read your Intro and you are only 26 and came to those conclusions? Bloody hell, I feel old. I have read a lot of non fiction books, psychology and what not, but nobody has ever laid it out in such simple terms that you can actually understand.
It is an amazing post, I am one of those ENTP's which has always had those issues. My wife hand my friends have always complained about me starting something new every other day, that I get these great ideas and they die out with the same speed they come to live.
When you reach 45 and read post like yours and realising that the author is half of your age, you fell really dumb. You feel that you were oblivious all those years.
Anyhow, great you are here and shared your thoughts.

Best wishes!
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@tonibob - same here. In my late 30's and have been exploring these things for a long time. Great to have people like @Remiremi here who share valuable findings like this so we can all learn and grow together. :)

Thanks to a not-so-well developed Fe function in ENTPS and INTPS it usually manifests as them being pranksters, aloof and overall disagreeable assholes until their early 20s (potentially late 20s for INTPS). ENTPS in particular tend to be nasty until their late teens, when they discover that being charming and utilising their unique feel for socializing (thanks to Ne + Ti with a pinch of Fe) they can influence people and do better in life. In high school that manifests as an ENTP being a virgin smartass nerd who ends up transitioning into funny, likable and flirty.
LOL - yeah, so so true...
 
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I agree with most of what you said, but there's a huge difference between INTP and INTJ. Look up cognitive functions, especially being a Ti dominant (INTP) vs Ni dominant (INTJ).

Here's a few questions for you:

Were you late to school? Are you often late now?

Prefer or better at strategy games that involve planning and foreseeing or MOBAs/shooters who are fast paced and involve a lot of mechanical/tactical skill rather than strategical?

Have known since you were little what you wanted to achieve in life and have been shaping your whole life starting back from when you were a kid towards achieving it?

Secretly believe that communism is better than capitalism?

See everyone as equal or as below/above you?

Do you think that you know a lot or do you think you don't know anything?

What personal qualities do you wish you had more of?

Are you sure you even exist? What proof do you have?

And last but not least, post the results you get from this test: John's Personality Test (pretty quick)

hey @Simon Angel , So I wanted to touch on a few of these... see what your thoughts were since you asked but I never responded to them until today.

1. Were you late to school? Are you often late now? - Never. Always on time or a bit early. I really dislike people who are late.

2. Prefer or better at strategy games that involve planning and foreseeing or MOBAs/shooters who are fast paced and involve a lot of mechanical/tactical skill rather than strategical? - I enjoy both, but I have to say I like shooters better for fun. If I were to be honest, I hardly play any games but I find myself drawn to shooters

3. Secretly believe that communism is better than capitalism? - No, capitalism is better

4. See everyone as equal or as below/above you? - Above or below me

5. Do you think that you know a lot or do you think you don't know anything? - I think I know a lot.

I think the next 2 could be bit of a ramble, so I left them off for now.

Will try to post the results of the test, but I typically like to take tests several times so might be a few days on that.

Can you tell anything from what I answered though when it comes to INTJ or INTP?

Thanks
 

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hey @Simon Angel , So I wanted to touch on a few of these... see what your thoughts were since you asked but I never responded to them until today.

1. Were you late to school? Are you often late now? - Never. Always on time or a bit early. I really dislike people who are late.

2. Prefer or better at strategy games that involve planning and foreseeing or MOBAs/shooters who are fast paced and involve a lot of mechanical/tactical skill rather than strategical? - I enjoy both, but I have to say I like shooters better for fun. If I were to be honest, I hardly play any games but I find myself drawn to shooters

3. Secretly believe that communism is better than capitalism? - No, capitalism is better

4. See everyone as equal or as below/above you? - Above or below me

5. Do you think that you know a lot or do you think you don't know anything? - I think I know a lot.

I think the next 2 could be bit of a ramble, so I left them off for now.

Will try to post the results of the test, but I typically like to take tests several times so might be a few days on that.

Can you tell anything from what I answered though when it comes to INTJ or INTP?

Thanks

Hi @eliquid,

I appreciate the honesty in your answers.

Definitely sounds like you're an INTJ, though ISTJ is a possibility as well. Considering your level of self-awareness, I'd put my money on INTJ, though.

The test is one of the best out there and my personal favorite.
 

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I took that John's personality test.

Got INTP (37) and ENTP (28)

Have always felt I was ENTP, but I never put much research into it besides the standard MBTI test.
 

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I took that John's personality test.

Got INTP (37) and ENTP (28)

Have always felt I was ENTP, but I never put much research into it besides the standard MBTI test.

Your post shows clear introversion, so you likely are INTP.
 

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Fellow ENTP here. I actually teach typology on YouTube at the moment and am looking to get into coaching in the near future. Been working with John Beebe's model of the 8 function stacks.

A couple resources I wanted to mention to everyone in case they're struggling:
Sources: John Beebe and his book "Energies & Patterns In Psychological Types"
Linda Berens and her book series "Understanding Yourself & Others"
Stephen Montgomery and his book "People Patterns"
C. S. Joseph and his YouTube content regarding typology.
 

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not sure why it double posted my comment but unsure of how to delete this so Ill just leave this part here.
 

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PS. You are right, these do apply at least for INTP's as much as it does for ENTP's. :)
INTPs and ENTPs are fairly similar in their temperaments. They only really differ in that one is much more calculated (INTP) than the other (ENTP) in their interaction/planning thanks to that god damn Introverted Sensing function that ENTPs pretty much lack almost entirely...
 

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INTPs and ENTPs are fairly similar in their temperaments. They only really differ in that one is much more calculated (INTP) than the other (ENTP) in their interaction/planning thanks to that god damn Introverted Sensing function that ENTPs pretty much lack almost entirely...

How would you help someone caught between those two types determine which type they truly are?

Any questions to consider regarding your past or simply behavioral?
 

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How would you help someone caught between those two types determine which type they truly are?

Any questions to consider regarding your past or simply behavioral?

You already show higher Ti than Ne in your posts, so you're surely an INTP. It's not about behavior at all, it's more about how you process information and make decisions.

@DrScream If I were you and about to start coaching people on Jungian typology I'd really reconsider referencing C.S Joseph - the guy does not know his type and has apparently typed his baby as "INTJ". Coming from a person with a myriad of mental health issues, the guy is insane.
 
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BTW if someone wants a good book on MBTI, I recommend Gifts Differing: Understanding Personality Type, Isabel Briggs Myers, Peter B. Myers. - Basically, from the person who created the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Typology stuff explained for non psychologists.

 

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I am loving this conversation so much. Thanks Remi for starting!

I’ve always thought I was an ENTP. Well the first time I took a test it came out INFJ but I have taken many test over the years and usually got NT, often ENTP and I usually scored way high on the N over S and on the P over J - like 100% Perceiving.

That’s why I’m surprised with these two results from John’s test:

Test complete!
33% ENFP
23% ENTJ
21% ENTP

Test complete! (restart)
58% ENTJ
14% INTJ
8% ENTP
5% ESTJ
4% ENFJ

Btw, I have found this topic so intriguing that I’ve been trying to get through the whole thing before commenting. I’ve been taking notes. I’m about half way through. I can’t really let myself skim it because I like to fully understand. I don’t know if my slow rate of progress has to do with me getting interested in something else or the fact that I have 4 kids and 5 dogs to take care of while my wife is away, and lots of home improvement projects going on.

Many more questions to follow but just wanted to share that in case others can help me clarify.

I plan to learn a lot more about the cognitive functions next. Maybe I should do that before I stick with it and finish this thread. :)

P.S. I too am not a fan of 16personalities - I’ve gotten much more from Truity and reading David Keirsey’s ‘Please Understand Me II’.

P.P.S. One question about examples: when people point to actors like Tom Hanks or Matthew Perry, isn’t there a danger that they are referring more to the characters they play? Is it really going by interviews/biography/etc. or rather looking at Chandler Bing, the old guy in Big, or Woody from Toy Story?
 

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I am loving this conversation so much. Thanks Remi for starting!

I’ve always thought I was an ENTP. Well the first time I took a test it came out INFJ but I have taken many test over the years and usually got NT, often ENTP and I usually scored way high on the N over S and on the P over J - like 100% Perceiving.

That’s why I’m surprised with these two results from John’s test:

Test complete!
33% ENFP
23% ENTJ
21% ENTP

Test complete! (restart)
58% ENTJ
14% INTJ
8% ENTP
5% ESTJ
4% ENFJ

Btw, I have found this topic so intriguing that I’ve been trying to get through the whole thing before commenting. I’ve been taking notes. I’m about half way through. I can’t really let myself skim it because I like to fully understand. I don’t know if my slow rate of progress has to do with me getting interested in something else or the fact that I have 4 kids and 5 dogs to take care of while my wife is away, and lots of home improvement projects going on.

Many more questions to follow but just wanted to share that in case others can help me clarify.

I plan to learn a lot more about the cognitive functions next. Maybe I should do that before I stick with it and finish this thread. :)

P.S. I too am not a fan of 16personalities - I’ve gotten much more from Truity and reading David Keirsey’s ‘Please Understand Me II’.

P.P.S. One question about examples: when people point to actors like Tom Hanks or Matthew Perry, isn’t there a danger that they are referring more to the characters they play? Is it really going by interviews/biography/etc. or rather looking at Chandler Bing, the old guy in Big, or Woody from Toy Story?

ENFP and ENTJ both share extraverted thinking and introverted feeling (Te, Fi) so they can sometimes be mistaken for one another (but only at first glance).

You're definitely showing signs of a divergent, non-linear thought process, which points to extroverted intuition (Ne), the dominant function of both ENFPs and ENTPs.

I have ENFP friends and while we do share a bunch of traits, it's very easy to differentiate between us - ENFPS tend to be happy-go-lucky, optimistic, universally-liked people (like you) while ENTPs are often dark, realistic, and can be considered by some as assholes.

In regards to your question about actors: It can be both. If you check out the Personality Database website, you can look up actors' types as well as their movie/tv series characters' types.

And the best part about it is that they're not typed by the site creators, but by the users and usually one type reigns supreme over the others.
 

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ENFP and ENTJ both share extraverted thinking and introverted feeling (Te, Fi) so they can sometimes be mistaken for one another (but only at first glance).

You're definitely showing signs of a divergent, non-linear thought process, which points to extroverted intuition (Ne), the dominant function of both ENFPs and ENTPs.

I have ENFP friends and while we do share a bunch of traits, it's very easy to differentiate between us - ENFPS tend to be happy-go-lucky, optimistic, universally-liked people (like you) while ENTPs are often dark, realistic, and can be considered by some as assholes.

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Haha thanks! Appreciate that on many levels, Simon. ENFP it is for now (see how I’m keeping my options open).
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Wow! Yay! I finished this thread (if anyone can ever truly say it’s complete… i have a dozen things to download, watch, hold on Libby, etc). But yes I am congratulating myself ;-)

Thanks again Remi and Simon and so many others who have contributed. In the past, I have studied this topic in-depth, taken many tests, even built my own, but never before this had it clicked so much. I even had many misconceptions corrected - for example, it’s not a spectrum. The test that says your 51% extroverted doesn’t mean your almost introverted… it means the test is at 51%. And ya gotta take that test result and dig deeper to discover the truth.

In addition to John’s test, I found the greatest benefit in going through the cognitive functions at the Tumblr blog. Yes it’s long and in-great-depth (and that stopped me in my tracks when I tried to visit in the past) but it is great. For anyone still struggling to know thyself, I highly recommend. It really helped me get over many doubts and uncertainties and narrow it down, step by step.

Next question: For the past 10 years, I have seen myself as an Explorer-Inventor. And the day I came to that realization was a good day - felt so clear finally.

But…

Who NEEDS an explorer?

That may sound existential but what I really mean refers to MJ’s CENTS framework and creating a business that serves needs/solves a real problem for a group of people. I am really trying to commit to a Need that I can then persist in to have ultimate financial success.

I can see that many would pay for a great invention, and maybe at the end of the day, that is where we explorers must get (damn I think I am answering my own question)… we have to get that thing made. We can’t just travel and explore… we must bring back (or make) the treasure!

Can I really ignore all the Grit advice and just temporarily focus on one of “Jim’s whims” for a while and actually get to a place where I am serving many (and putting food on the table for the family)?
 

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INTPs and ENTPs are fairly similar in their temperaments. They only really differ in that one is much more calculated (INTP) than the other (ENTP) in their interaction/planning thanks to that god damn Introverted Sensing function that ENTPs pretty much lack almost entirely...
Good point.

I get INTP as a result in all MBTI based tests, but, when I did the cognitive functions test, it came out as ENTP, which is interesting.

The thing with the 'calculated' bit can at times manifest as 'paralysis by analysis'. Every type has its positives and negatives. What we need to do is maximise our strengths and operate from there, and mitigate our weaknesses.
 

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Haha thanks! Appreciate that on many levels, Simon. ENFP it is for now (see how I’m keeping my options open).
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Wow! Yay! I finished this thread (if anyone can ever truly say it’s complete… i have a dozen things to download, watch, hold on Libby, etc). But yes I am congratulating myself ;-)

Thanks again Remi and Simon and so many others who have contributed. In the past, I have studied this topic in-depth, taken many tests, even built my own, but never before this had it clicked so much. I even had many misconceptions corrected - for example, it’s not a spectrum. The test that says your 51% extroverted doesn’t mean your almost introverted… it means the test is at 51%. And ya gotta take that test result and dig deeper to discover the truth.

In addition to John’s test, I found the greatest benefit in going through the cognitive functions at the Tumblr blog. Yes it’s long and in-great-depth (and that stopped me in my tracks when I tried to visit in the past) but it is great. For anyone still struggling to know thyself, I highly recommend. It really helped me get over many doubts and uncertainties and narrow it down, step by step.

Next question: For the past 10 years, I have seen myself as an Explorer-Inventor. And the day I came to that realization was a good day - felt so clear finally.

But…

Who NEEDS an explorer?

That may sound existential but what I really mean refers to MJ’s CENTS framework and creating a business that serves needs/solves a real problem for a group of people. I am really trying to commit to a Need that I can then persist in to have ultimate financial success.

I can see that many would pay for a great invention, and maybe at the end of the day, that is where we explorers must get (damn I think I am answering my own question)… we have to get that thing made. We can’t just travel and explore… we must bring back (or make) the treasure!

Can I really ignore all the Grit advice and just temporarily focus on one of “Jim’s whims” for a while and actually get to a place where I am serving many (and putting food on the table for the family)?
Really good points you've raised here.

Due to the fact that 'explorers' are a minority, there is a tendency to minimise the inclination.

From my research, thinking and observation, explorers (who tends to be higher in the visionary scale) need to partner (or get help from contractors) with an 'integrator' to bring their visions to life.
 

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From my research, thinking and observation, explorers (who tends to be higher in the visionary scale) need to partner (or get help from contractors) with an 'integrator' to bring their visions to life.
Thanks, WarWizard!

I've witnessed in my own experience that sometimes another person like an ESTP helps get me activated on one of my many ideas. Or when editors greatly helped me fine-tune my writing. I would not partner in any official way (to keep control of the business) but I think contracting, employing, and dialoging with friends and family can be a huge help to explorers.

At other times in my past, it just clicked for me without any partnership. Like when I learned about the Internet in 1996, or met my wife and it was love at first sight.

The cognitive theory pages at The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory @mbti-notes has been really helping me a lot; if you too dig in there, don't skim over the links to the inferior in depth pages. That was an eye-opener.
 

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Thanks for this thread! I would like to add some of my own insights as an INTP. Like you said, money is not really a motivating factor for us. Curiosity is what makes us work. Because of this relentless curiosity, we kind of are interested in everything. This can be a real problem if you try to focus on building a business.

So, what works wonderful for me right now is to pick a skill that's hard to master and let your curiosity flow in this direction. Be curious about what you can do with this skill and look how you become better and better day by day.

Such a skill would be programming or video editing, for example. The basics are easy to learn, but the POSSIBILITIES are endless, and this is what makes us going. We're curious what we can craft. I think being able to be endlessly creative plays a big role here.


To give a real world example on how this could work out, you could learn to film as well as video editing and start a YouTube Channel. This way, you would help others with your knowledge base (which is huge if you're an INTP, don't fall into imposter syndrome, please), learn a skill with practically never ending creative possibilities and build a business, with all the comforts of your home!
 

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