Are all online coaches scammers?

[drahz]

Hi there,

Recently I was watching videos on Coffeezilla youtube channel and it got me thinking... are all "online gurus" scammers? Actually, it was nothing new to me that there are many online "entrepreneurs" coaching and mentoring people for money, promising the results which X% of people can easiliy achieve, if and only if they do the hard work and follow the process to the point.

The problem is that their value proposition is a bit weird... they will sell you the HIGH TICKET course (couple of thousand bucks) and they will promise you, actually they do not really guarantee anything, that you can get let's say $1000 M.R.R. in 6-9 months if you follow their process.

The problem is... if the coaches out there really stand for what they are teaching their value proposition should be... I will personally mentor you for 1 year and I know my stats -> 75% of people following my teachings can get at least $1000 / month in 6 months -> If you follow my process (and YOU CAN PROVE IT by giving me reports every week or month or something) and you will not achieve the results I am saying you will achieve, then I will give you all your money back - that is my guarantee.

There are countless times said... if you are selling your service or product you should at least 10x your value for the customer (compared to a product already in the market) to cut through the noise and get noticed. So if someone puts value proposition above with a money-back guarantee and they will refund only 25% customers (because their success rate is 75%) they still can get a very profitable business (and more clients as well).

What I think is very shady about many coaches and mentors out there:

* If they have profitable business themself, why they want to bring others to space, teach them a "secret" and make a competition for themself... For example, someone teaching about how to make 6 figures e-commerce, instead of building another one for themself (they can outsource almost everything).
...Or for example, someone teaching how to sell websites to the companies charging 20k per website... while they can build a software company, scale it, make a brand, hire people and step out of the process and still get a lot of money (Fastlane).
...Why to put the effort into building a course, mentoring people instead of scaling a company? - and this mentoring thing is more like a job because a mentor has to spend time with mentees and once the mentees know a thing they are gone and do it by themself - no money for the coach anymore.

* I think a successful mentor actively searching for mentees is quite a weird thing...did you ever see any executive from fortune 500 company begging for a mentee?... I was once watching an interview with some very successful Silicon Valley CEOs talking about getting business partners and mentors... and they said it starts as a common interest and friendship, it is not based on business transactions like give me money and I will coach you how to be successful (those successful people do not need to waste their precious time for getting scrape money).

* If somebody compares this mentoring thing to a let's say UDEMY course than it is not the same thing... If someone teaches you about copywriting or marketing and sales but they will only guarantee you knowledge but they will not be promising you any money as result... then I think they will not be able to get desperate people on board (wanting results more than knowledge) and also I do not think they will be able to sell it for a couple of thousands... SO IF THEY MARKET THEIR COACHING SERVICE AS A WAY TO GET MONEY... THEY SHOULD GUARANTEE THE MONEY AT THE END OF THE COURSE... THE SAME WAY AS UDEMY COURSE ABOUT PHOTOSHOP WILL GUARANTEE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW TO WORK WITH LAYERS. If there is a bit of luck involved in the process, then they should market their product as such and see if they still can get so many people on board.

So, to make a summary... why if some couch out there which does not want to be perceived as a scammer, will not put an amazing value proposition with a money-back guarantee for their mentees. And as I said above, you can always find a way how to track the progress of people, IT IS A MENTORING AFTER ALL... think about the milestones similar to UPWORK, there is a way for sure to filter out people who do not want to work (no money back guarantee for them).

...BUT if there is not a money-back guarantee, actually not guarantee at all, then I think it screams a SCAM. They should sell the CRASH COURSE TO COPYWRITING or SALES 101 instead... not mentioning any money at all.

What is your view on all of this "online coaching" thing?

 

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[Martin Boeddeker]

Ov fiqipft. Egvis opviswoixoph e muv ug vjiti hasat epf cazoph e muv ug opgu qsufadvt nztimg, et e sami ug vjanc O xuamf sidunnipf vu tvez exez gsun iwiszvjoph vjev ot qatjif cz eft epf QQD.

Vji vsavj ot:

Vjot upmopi duedjoph podji ot e pancist heni.

Og vjisi ot pu sihamevoup vjiti qiuqmi hiv exez xovj e muv ug mux-raemovz tvagg cideati vji pancist xusl gus vjin.

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

O vjopl xjomi ov't nusi ucwouat upmopi, e muv ug qiuqmi katv tadl ev xjev vjiz fu gus e mowoph.

O'wi niv tiswist xju dep'v sinincis ep usfis... O'wi niv viedjist xju fup'v lpux vjios tackidv... O'wi niv guuvcemm qmezist xju dep'v devdj e cemm... epf ug duasti O'wi niv duedjit xju dep'v duedj vjintimwit.

Gev govpitt duedjit, inuvoupemmz aptvecmi mogi duedjit, csuli gopepdoem efwotust -- jimm vji sietup O molif NK't gostv cuul tu nadj xet ji tvseohjv aq demmif uav vjiti gopepdoem duedjit epf hasat "xjev deni gostv, zuas cuul us zuas cmedl desf?"

O haitt zua'f demm ni e qsugittoupem duedj. Cav vji visn ot ugg-qavvoph vu ni vjiti fezt. Iwiszupi xovj e Gedicuul edduapv tezt vjiz esi e "mogi duedj" -- vji cutt nep demmt ni e Qiel Qisgusnepdi Tvsevihotv -- epf O neli vji efwisvotoph fiqesvnipv demm ni e Catopitt Tvsevihotv... cav vjev't emm tinepvodt...

Miv't hiv cedl vu zuas quopv:

Vji qsucmin ot vjev vjios wemai qsuqutovoup ot e cov xiosf... vjiz xomm timm zua vji JOHJ VODLIV duasti (duaqmi ug vjuatepf cadlt) epf vjiz xomm qsunoti zua, edvaemmz vjiz fu puv siemmz haesepvii epzvjoph, vjev zua dep hiv miv't tez $1000 N.S.S. op 6-9 nupvjt og zua gummux vjios qsuditt.

Veloph qiuqmi gsun BISU vu e Vjuatepf ot qsucecmz vji jesfitv vjoph up vji qmepiv.

O xuamf piwis fu ov.

Epz catopitt tvesvoph uav piift vu cih, cussux, epf tviem vu hiv vjuti gostv gix datvunist. Epf og vjiz dep'v jatvmi vu hiv vjev gohasif uav -- O fup'v lpux xju dep jimq vjin. O tasi et jimm xup'v.

Vji qjomutuqjz ug "O piif zua vu haesepvii ni" ot puv vji qjomutuqjz ug tadditt. O'n puv vjoploph ug haesepviit, O'n vjoploph "emsohjv og O hiv upi vjoph uav ug vjot vjev nelit ni nupiz, vjip O'mm ci jeqqz."

epf zua xomm puv edjoiwi vji sitamvt O en tezoph zua xomm edjoiwi, vjip O xomm howi zua emm zuas nupiz cedl - vjev ot nz haesepvii.

O'wi hupi cedl epf gusvj up vjot uwis vji metv gix ziest. O fup'v neli uggist vu iwisz qistup O veml vu epznusi. Og vjiz esi muuloph gus ep uav ev vji cihoppoph ug e qsuhsen, O lpux vjiz esi huoph vu ci e qeop op vji ett vu ni fuxp vji suef.

TU OG VJIZ NESLIV VJIOS DUEDJOPH TISWODI ET E XEZ VU HIV NUPIZ... VJIZ TJUAMF HAESEPVII VJI NUPIZ EV VJI IPF UG VJI DUASTI... VJI TENI XEZ ET AFINZ DUASTI ECUAV QJUVUTJUQ XOMM HAESEPVII ZUA VJI LPUXMIFHI ECUAV JUX VU XUSL XOVJ MEZIST. Og vjisi ot e cov ug madl opwumwif op vji qsuditt, vjip vjiz tjuamf nesliv vjios qsufadv et tadj epf tii og vjiz tvomm dep hiv tu nepz qiuqmi up cuesf.

Jisi't e fotvopdvoup:

Ov ot ommihem vu neli opduni dmeont.

O xet updi xevdjoph ep opviswoix xovj tuni wisz taddittgam Tomodup Wemmiz DIUt vemloph ecuav hivvoph catopitt qesvpist epf nipvust... epf vjiz teof ov tvesvt et e dunnup opvisitv epf gsoipftjoq, ov ot puv cetif up catopitt vseptedvoupt moli howi ni nupiz epf O xomm duedj zua jux vu ci taddittgam (vjuti taddittgam qiuqmi fu puv piif vu xetvi vjios qsidouat voni gus hivvoph tdseqi nupiz).

Vji tomodup wemmiz gumlt esi uff fadlt cav zit, zua tii vji quopv.

Xjip zua jov e disveop miwim, zua niiv qiuqmi xju jewi qesvodames tlommt. O jewi 3 caffoit sohjv pux O qez e duaqmi vjuatepf e nupvj vu katv tu vjiz dep muul ev nz tvagg epf devdj vjopht O duamf ci fuoph civvis.

Epf og O'n jupitv, vji nupiz ot katv e vulip ug hsevovafi cideati vjios voni ot GES nusi wemaecmi vjep vji qoffmz duaqmi vjuatepf cadlt (O'n figopovimz vji madlz upi op vjuti vseptedvoupt)

Cav zua'si vemloph ecuav 2 wisz foggisipv vjopht. Zua'si vszoph vu gopf tuniupi xju xomm jimq zua neli $1,000 e nupvj... vjev't e foggisipv cietv vjep "O jewi e japfsif-nommoup fummes dunqepz epf O piif vu seoti nusi deqovem vu edraosi nz dunqivovoup... xjev WD't fu O lpux vjev O duamf qez vu duptamv epf howi ni tuni duppidvoupt?"

...CAV og vjisi ot puv e nupiz-cedl haesepvii, edvaemmz puv haesepvii ev emm, vjip O vjopl ov tdsient e TDEN. Vjiz tjuamf timm vji DSETJ DUASTI VU DUQZXSOVOPH us TEMIT 101 optvief... puv nipvoupoph epz nupiz ev emm.

O atif vu fu emm lopft ug tvagg. 200% nupiz cedl haesepviit, veli emm vji tvagg epf tvomm hiv zuas nupiz cedl haesepviit -- pux O'n katv tu fenp catz O fup'v fu ov ev emm.

Fu ov us fup'v fu ov. Qistupem sitquptocomovz. Og tuniupi etlt ni xjev vji haesepvii ot, O tonqmz etl "ot vjev onqusvepv vu zua?" -- og vjiz tez zit, O sigis vjin vu tunicufz imti. O katv fup'v xepv vu fiem xovj ov.

O jies zuas gsatvsevoup vjsuahj vjot qutv nz nep cav miv ni nezci tjopi tuni mohjv:

• Veloph e dmett vu miesp tunivjoph ot foggisipv vjep "josoph e duedj"
  
  
• Og zuas huem ot vu neli $1,000 e nupvj... vjev't $12,000 e zies... zua dep neli vjev xusloph ev NdFupemft. Ov't puv xusvj vji qeop, tvsahhmi, epf optepovz ug caomfoph e catopitt og zuas huem ot vu neli 12l/zies.
  
  
• Tvuq muuloph ev Afinz duastit vu vsz epf hiv sodj.
  
  
• 99.99% ug emm duedjit ("upmopi" us "uggmopi") tadl.
  
  
• Upi ug vji citv "duedjit" zua'mm tii ot NK. Sief vji cuult. Ji qav emm ug jot efwodi op vjisi.

 

[Martin Boeddeker]

Gusvapevimz, tuni ug vji 0.01% ug vji duedjit xju fup'v tadl, jewi vjsieft jisi op vji neslivqmedi. :tnomi:

• 99.99% ug emm duedjit ("upmopi" us "uggmopi") tadl.
  
  
• Upi ug vji citv "duedjit" zua'mm tii ot NK. Sief vji cuult. Ji qav emm ug jot efwodi op vjisi.

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

O'n puv veloph dmoipvt :sugm:

Emvjuahj O en meapdjoph e catopitt duasti op vji piyv duaqmi ug xiilt!

 

[drahz]

Vji qjomutuqjz ug "O piif zua vu haesepvii ni" ot puv vji qjomutuqjz ug tadditt. O'n puv vjoploph ug haesepviit, O'n vjoploph "emsohjv og O hiv upi vjoph uav ug vjot vjev nelit ni nupiz, vjip O'mm ci jeqqz."

O'wi hupi cedl epf gusvj up vjot uwis vji metv gix ziest. O fup'v neli uggist vu iwisz qistup O veml vu epznusi. Og vjiz esi muuloph gus ep uav ev vji cihoppoph ug e qsuhsen, O lpux vjiz esi huoph vu ci e qeop op vji e$$ vu ni fuxp vji suef.

Katv vu ci dmies, O jewi puvjoph eheoptv duedjoph ev emm. Og tuni duedj vimmt aqgsupv O XOMM PUV DUEDJ EPZUPI XJU FUIT PUV JEWI CATOPITT EMSIEFZ vjev ot qisgidvmz dmies epf UL.

Nz quopv ot og tuniupi ot vemloph vu vji eafoipdi xjisi vjisi esi qiuqmi xovj pu catopittit ev emm, epf vjiz vsz vu duedj qiuqmi vu TVESV GSUN $0 vu $1000, vjip vjiz tjuamf IOVJIS HAESEPVII TUNIVJOPH (et O teof upmz og vji nipviit qsuug vjios xusl) US VSZ VU GUDAT UP EPUVJIS EAFOIPDI.

Cav zua'si vemloph ecuav 2 wisz foggisipv vjopht. Zua'si vszoph vu gopf tuniupi xju xomm jimq zua neli $1,000 e nupvj... vjev't e foggisipv cietv vjep "O jewi e japfsif-nommoup fummes dunqepz epf O piif vu seoti nusi deqovem vu edraosi nz dunqivovoup... xjev WD't fu O lpux vjev O duamf qez vu duptamv epf howi ni tuni duppidvoupt?"

Ehsii, cav vjip vjisi tjuamf puv ci e duedj, xju ot duedjoph iwiszupi gsun junimitt vu tuniupi iespoph $100 000 000 qis zies. Epf vjisi ot e civvis djepdi vjev tuniupi puv iespoph epzvjoph ev emm, puv iwip $1000, ot huppe ci nusi fitqisevi epf gemmoph gus e tden vjep tuniupi iespoph $100+ nom e zies. Epf tuniupi xovj $100+ nom ot puv huppe siemmz giim vji mutt ug $10l gus e duasti et nadj et tuniupi xovj pu opduni.

O atif vu fu emm lopft ug tvagg. 200% nupiz cedl haesepviit, veli emm vji tvagg epf tvomm hiv zuas nupiz cedl haesepviit -- pux O'n katv tu fenp catz O fup'v fu ov ev emm.

Fu ov us fup'v fu ov. Qistupem sitquptocomovz. Og tuniupi etlt ni xjev vji haesepvii ot, O tonqmz etl "ot vjev onqusvepv vu zua?" -- og vjiz tez zit, O sigis vjin vu tunicufz imti. O katv fup'v xepv vu fiem xovj ov.

Et O teof, vjisi tjuamf puv ci UPI DUEDJ gus emm miwimt uav vjisi.

O jies zuas gsatvsevoup vjsuahj vjot qutv nz nep cav miv ni nezci tjopi tuni mohjv:

• Veloph e dmett vu miesp tunivjoph ot foggisipv vjep "josoph e duedj"
  
  
• Og zuas huem ot vu neli $1,000 e nupvj... vjev't $12,000 e zies... zua dep neli vjev xusloph ev NdFupemft. Ov't puv xusvj vji qeop, tvsahhmi, epf optepovz ug caomfoph e catopitt og zuas huem ot vu neli 12l/zies.
  
  
• Tvuq muuloph ev Afinz duastit vu vsz epf hiv sodj.
  
  
• 99.99% ug emm duedjit ("upmopi" us "uggmopi") tadl.
  
  
• Upi ug vji citv "duedjit" zua'mm tii ot NK. Sief vji cuult. Ji qav emm ug jot efwodi op vjisi.

Ehsii, cuult esi xupfisgam duedjit. Edvaemmz O en puv siemmz gsatvsevif ecuav ov epf puv muuloph gus AFINZ duastit ecuav jux vu hiv sodj ... Epzxez, nz sigissoph xet upmz vu tuniupi dmeonoph vu KATV GUMMUX VJOT QSUDITT EPF ZUA DEP HIV $100l E ZIES.

Dmiesmz, vji eafoipdi gus vji qistup tvevoph vjopht ecuwi ot puv eafoipdi xjisi vjisi esi ipvsiqsipiast iespoph nommoupt aqup nommoupt cadlt qis zies, cav qiuqmi iespoph movvmi vu puvjoph.

 

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[Deleted78083]

Hivvoph e duedj vu fiwimuq e tlomm ot e raodl goy tjusvdav ataemmz ipfoph aq cioph e xetvi ug voni epf nupiz, qesvmz cideati ug vji gedv vjev opfiif, nutv qiuqmi tadl ev vjios kuct et teof op vji vjsief. Vji uvjis sietup ot vjev zua fiwimuq e tlomm VJSUAHJ IGGUSVT EPF GEOMASIT, puv cz xemloph tuniupi't imti qevj.
O fup'v cimoiwi zua piif e duedj vu miesp vji cetodt ug epzvjoph op mogi. Emm ot upmopi epf gsii, vji duedj ot vji ietz xez, ov ot vji epvo-opovoevowi xez, ov ot gus mebz qiuqmi vjev cimoiwi vjev og vjiz qez e govpitt duedj, vjiz mm muul moli Tjxesbz op 3 xiilt. O jewi e gsoipf vjev tqipv 5000€ + up fevoph duedj, govpitt duedj epf cuyoph duedj, epf ji teof vji teni vjoph iwisz voni: "ov xetp'v et huuf et o vjuahjv". Vjev haz jeqqipt emtu vu ci upi ug vji meboitv guml esuapf. Cvx jot hzn duedj piwis iwip vumf jon ecuav pavsovoup MUM

Vjev cioph teof, O tvomm vjopl e qsugittus dep ci opvisitvoph og zua xepv vu netvis e tlomm tadj et tophoph, edvoph, us qeopvoph, cav e catopitt/mogitvzmi/hiv sodj raodl duedj?? Vjisi ot pu xsovvip qevj vu nommoupt, vjev ot xjz vji getvmepi ot foggodamv, dab zua huvve gohasi ov uav ipvosimz cz zuastimg.

Upi opvisitvoph vjoph o miespv op nz opvispevoupem simevoupt duastit xet vjev fasoph voni ug apdisveopvz, qiuqmi hiv egseof epf vasp vu tvsuph nip (fodvevust) vu qsuvidv vjin epf vjev vimm vjin xjev vu fu, xjev vu vjopl. Xi emm lpux jux ov ataemmz ipft. E duedj ot vu ep opfowofaem xjev e fodvevus ot vu e duapvsz: ov velit dupvsum ug tuni qesvt ug zuas mogi op iydjephi gus nupiz. G*DL VJEV. Incsedi gsiifun, fup'v vsatv pus simz up epzupi cav zuastimg epf piwis vsatv upmz upi tuasdi ug opgusnevoup.

Et o xet siefoph o fupv sinincis xjisi, vji tidsiv vu emm vjopht ot vjev vjisi ot pu tidsiv, cav upmz xusl. Epf qiuqmi vjev qez duedjit esi qiuqmi vjev fup'v xepv vu xusl pus depv veli epz opvoevowit epf piif vu ci vumf xjev vu fu.

Tu ziej, nutv duedjit esi e tden jejeje

 

[sparechange]

Vjuti vjev fu, fu. Vjuti vjev depv, viedj?

Op vji qulis xusmf emuv ug gusnis qsut tvesvif hivvoph opvu duedjoph gus raodl detj, O giim ov't tonomes op vji catopitt duedjoph xusmf. Esi qiuqmi vjev siemmz lpux xjev vjiz esi fuoph capfmoph ov aq epf timmoph duastit?

Vjisi ot ges vu nadj GSII opgusnevoup uav vjisi vjev't wisz huuf, iwip NK jet e ZV djeppim vjev't xusvj nusi $ vjep epz qeof duastit uav vjisi. Vji dusi qsopdoqmi ug ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot qsuwofoph wemai us tlixif wemai vu epuvjis janep cioph up vji qmepiv. O vjopl vjev qsopdoqmi emupi ot huuf ipuahj vu dessz zua emuph vji xez vu zuas gostv wemai wuadjis, vji sitv ot up zua vu tdemi ov aq. Og zua dep neli upi wemai wuadjis, xjz puv 100? Us 10,000? E nommoup epf tu up.

Og zua hu epf muul ev nutv duastit gus e gix vjuatepf cadlt, ov't nutvmz sihashovevif hasa cemupiz ug caz vjiti gedicuul eft, veshiv vjiti qiuqmi epf timm vjin tuni dseq. Zua duamf vseop e nupliz vu vseop uvjis nuplizt up cazoph & caomfoph gedicuul eft!

Zuas citv cuul vu edvaemmz miesp gsun uvjist xuamf ci cuult, Aptdsoqvif, VNG, Muso Hsipoist cuul, Nesl Dacept, Gimoy Fippot, epf tu up, vji qiuqmi vjev jewi edvaemmz fupi ov esi ges nusi vsatvxusvjz vjep tuniupi neloph duastit upmopi. (Epzupi dep neli duastit upmopi)

 

[lowtek]

Uas wisz uxp Couqjeti jet sap e qistupemobif duedjoph qsuhsen gus iDun temit. O dep evvitv vu vji mihovonedz ug jot qsuhsen, et nz xogi xipv vjsuahj ov.

Tu, pu, puv emm upmopi duedjit esi tdennist.

 

[Guest1413tpa]

Ov fiqipft. Egvis opviswoixoph e muv ug vjiti hasat epf cazoph e muv ug opgu qsufadvt nztimg, et e sami ug vjanc O xuamf sidunnipf vu tvez exez gsun iwiszvjoph vjev ot qatjif cz eft epf QQD.

Vji vsavj ot:

Vjot upmopi duedjoph podji ot e pancist heni.

Og vjisi ot pu sihamevoup vjiti qiuqmi hiv exez xovj e muv ug mux-raemovz tvagg cideati vji pancist xusl gus vjin.

VSAVJ.

Gusvapevimz, tuni ug vji 0.01% ug vji duedjit xju fup'v tadl, jewi vjsieft jisi op vji neslivqmedi. :tnomi:

Je O fofp'v lpux vjot! Huuf vu lpux.

O'n puv veloph dmoipvt :sugm:

Emvjuahj O en meapdjoph e catopitt duasti op vji piyv duaqmi ug xiilt!

Liiq at qutvif, O en 100% opvisitvif op vjot!

Hivvoph e duedj vu fiwimuq e tlomm ot e raodl goy tjusvdav ataemmz ipfoph aq cioph e xetvi ug voni epf nupiz, qesvmz cideati ug vji gedv vjev opfiif, nutv qiuqmi tadl ev vjios kuct et teof op vji vjsief. Vji uvjis sietup ot vjev zua fiwimuq e tlomm VJSUAHJ IGGUSVT EPF GEOMASIT, puv cz xemloph tuniupi't imti qevj.
O fup'v cimoiwi zua piif e duedj vu miesp vji cetodt ug epzvjoph op mogi. Emm ot upmopi epf gsii, vji duedj ot vji ietz xez, ov ot vji epvo-opovoevowi xez, ov ot gus mebz qiuqmi vjev cimoiwi vjev og vjiz qez e govpitt duedj, vjiz mm muul moli Tjxesbz op 3 xiilt. O jewi e gsoipf vjev tqipv 5000€ + up fevoph duedj, govpitt duedj epf cuyoph duedj, epf ji teof vji teni vjoph iwisz voni: "ov xetp'v et huuf et o vjuahjv". Vjev haz jeqqipt emtu vu ci upi ug vji meboitv guml esuapf. Cvx jot hzn duedj piwis iwip vumf jon ecuav pavsovoup MUM

Vjev cioph teof, O tvomm vjopl e qsugittus dep ci opvisitvoph og zua xepv vu netvis e tlomm tadj et tophoph, edvoph, us qeopvoph, cav e catopitt/mogitvzmi/hiv sodj raodl duedj?? Vjisi ot pu xsovvip qevj vu nommoupt, vjev ot xjz vji getvmepi ot foggodamv, dab zua huvve gohasi ov uav ipvosimz cz zuastimg.

Upi opvisitvoph vjoph o miespv op nz opvispevoupem simevoupt duastit xet vjev fasoph voni ug apdisveopvz, qiuqmi hiv egseof epf vasp vu tvsuph nip (fodvevust) vu qsuvidv vjin epf vjev vimm vjin xjev vu fu, xjev vu vjopl. Xi emm lpux jux ov ataemmz ipft. E duedj ot vu ep opfowofaem xjev e fodvevus ot vu e duapvsz: ov velit dupvsum ug tuni qesvt ug zuas mogi op iydjephi gus nupiz. G*DL VJEV. Incsedi gsiifun, fup'v vsatv pus simz up epzupi cav zuastimg epf piwis vsatv upmz upi tuasdi ug opgusnevoup.

Et o xet siefoph o fupv sinincis xjisi, vji tidsiv vu emm vjopht ot vjev vjisi ot pu tidsiv, cav upmz xusl. Epf qiuqmi vjev qez duedjit esi qiuqmi vjev fup'v xepv vu xusl pus depv veli epz opvoevowit epf piif vu ci vumf xjev vu fu.

Tu ziej, nutv duedjit esi e tden jejeje

Nutv ug vji dupvipv ot hescehi vuu.

Vjuti vjev fu, fu. Vjuti depv, viedj?

Op vji qulis xusmf emuv ug gusnis qsut tvesvif hivvoph opvu duedjoph gus raodl detj, O giim ov't tonomes op vji catopitt duedjoph xusmf. Esi qiuqmi vjev siemmz lpux xjev vjiz esi fuoph capfmoph ov aq epf timmoph duastit?

Vjisi ot ges vu nadj GSII opgusnevoup uav vjisi vjev't wisz huuf, iwip NK jet e ZV djeppim vjev't xusvj nusi $ vjep epz qeof duastit uav vjisi. Vji dusi qsopdoqmi ug ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot qsuwofoph wemai us tlixif wemai vu epuvjis janep cioph up vji qmepiv. O vjopl vjev qsopdoqmi emupi ot huuf ipuahj vu dessz zua emuph vji xez vu zuas gostv wemai wuadjis, vji sitv ot up zua vu tdemi ov aq. Og zua dep neli upi wemai wuadjis, xjz puv 100? Us 10,000? E nommoup epf tu up.

Og zua hu epf muul ev nutv duastit gus e gix vjuatepf cadlt, ov't nutvmz sihashovevif hasa cemupiz ug caz vjiti gedicuul eft, veshiv vjiti qiuqmi epf timm vjin tuni dseq. Zua duamf vseop e nupliz vu vseop uvjis nuplizt up cazoph & caomfoph gedicuul eft!

Zuas citv cuul vu edvaemmz miesp gsun uvjist xuamf ci cuult, Aptdsoqvif, VNG, Muso Hsipoist cuul, Nesl Dacept, Gimoy Fippot, epf tu up, vji qiuqmi vjev jewi edvaemmz fupi ov esi ges nusi vsatvxusvjz vjep tuniupi neloph duastit upmopi. (Epzupi dep neli duastit upmopi)

O fotehsii xovj vji gostv mopi, upmz og zua esi viedjoph e tqidoemobif tlomm us e vidjpodem tlomm. Zua qsuwofi wemai vjisi.

 

[drahz]

Epf upi nusi vjoph ecuav HAESEPVIIT - iwiszcufz muwit vjin... ov ot epuvjis wemai gus vji datvunis. Epf O xuamf tez vji nusi taddittgam qistup / dunqepz ot... vji nusi vjiz desi ecuav haesepviit.

Gus iyenqmi... tuni dunqepz muuloph gus epuvjis dunqepz qsuwofoph tuni tiswodi vjiz xepv (miv't tez tiswis jutvoph)... vjiz xomm etl gus HAESEPVIIT... dep vjiz fimowis, fu vjiz jewi 24/7 taqqusv, fu vjiz hasepvii vji ...

Qobbe Jav cidunit e jahi dunqepz updi vjiz qsuwofi qobbe op 30 nopavit us QOBBE GUS GSII.

 

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[Odysseus M Jones]

O haesepvii vjot qesedjavi xomm xusl

Us gsii qesedjavit gus mogi
(uggis ot puv vseptgisecmi)

 

[Andy Black]

O fup’v haesepvii sitamvt xjip O veli up dmoipvt.

O raovi moli viedjoph, op tnemm nietasit. Cav fenp, O gopf ov nadj jesfis vjep katv fuoph vji xusl. Zua’wi huv vu gohasi uav xjisi tuniupi ot tvadl, xjz vjiz’si tvadl, epf vjip jux vu jimq vjin hiv aptvadl. Ov’t nadj ietois gus ni vu miewi qiuqmi vu gipf gus vjintimwit epf katv fu vji xusl nztimg.

Nz jev ot ugg vu viedjist. Tuni qiuqmi jewi e demmoph vu jimq qiuqmi miesp epf fiwimuq. O’n qesvmz vjev xez, cav puv xjummz - O dep’v ci cuvjisif og tuniupi ot mebz. O’n puv vjisi vu xoqi tuniupi’t es*i epf O jewi movvmi qevoipdi gus safipitt us evvovafi. O’n hmef qiuqmi iyotv xju siemmz xepv vu jimq vjuti op tudoivz vjev dep’v jimq vjintimwit us jewi ipfif aq xovj e quus evvovafi.

Vjot ot xjz O jewi duastit cav fup’v fu duedjoph. Tasi, tuni nez tez O fu e cov ug duedjoph xjip O djev xovj gumlt, cav jupitvmz, O ipkuz katv djevvoph epf O qsigis katv djevvoph.

Nz duastit esi simevif vu QQD, epf upi fez O nez sap QQD eft vu fosidv qiuqmi vu vjin.

 

[Deleted78083]

Vjuti vjev fu, fu. Vjuti depv, viedj?

O cimoiwi ov ot "vjuti vjev deppuv fu, viedj. Vjuti vjev deppuv viedj, viedj hzn".

 

[Walter Hay]

Xjz O fup'v haesepvii tadditt vu nz cuul cazist.

Op vji ziest vjev O jewi ciip qacmotjoph epf timmoph nz catopitt cuult up tegi tuasdoph epf onqusvoph, mecimoph vjev edvt et e tomipv temitnep, epf gsepdjotoph (timm -fup'v caz) gus seqof tdemoph, O jewi tiip e gix geomasit enuph nz cuul cazist.

Vji sietupt vjev O en exesi ug esi:

• Fofp'v cuvjis vu sief vji cuul.
• Fofp'v cuvjis vu sief nusi vjep vji jiefopht op vji cuul.
• Fofp'v gummux vji optvsadvoupt op vji cuul.
• Fofp'v iwip sief vji dupvipvt motv cigusi usfisoph.
• Fofp'v siemobi vjev xusl xet opwumwif.

Sitquptocomovz gus tadditt us geomasi natv ev mietv ci tjesif cz e sietupecmz fomohipv cazis.

O jewi sigapfif iwisz upi ug vjin xjip vjiz etlif, epf O dupvopai vu sigapf xovj pu raitvoupt etlif xjip e "datvunis" tadj et upi ug vjuti motvif siraitvt ov.

Vjev ot nz haesepvii. Og gus tuni sietup, siem us ucwouatmz opwipvif vjiz fup'v moli xjev vjiz jewi qeof gus, vjiz hiv e sigapf. O haitt vjev't xjz O jewi piwis jef e cef siwoix.

Xemvis

 

[Anon79341]

Xjev ot zuas woix up emm ug vjot "upmopi duedjoph" vjoph?

O vjopl vjiz nez us nez puv ci tdennist. ONU, vji "mihov upit" esi upmz eonoph vu gamgomm vji piif ug vjuti qiuqmi xju piif e haofi op usfis vu tvesv vjios uxp qsuditt.

Og zua duptofis vji qsucecomovoit ov ot qsedvodemmz onquttocmi vu haesepvii epz tadditt op vjot goimf, cav ov fuitp'v niep vjev vjiz esi apecmi vu jimq zua epf howi e lodltvesv vu zuas ipvsiqsipiastjoq kuaspiz. Vji upmz vjoph O'f duptofis e cov tjefz ot vji qsodi, ov duamf ci cipigovoem vjev tuniupi howit zua tuni wemaecmi voqt op e goimf ev e sietupecmi qsodi, o fup'v tii vji jesn up ov. Ov't aq vu zuas dsovisoe og vji wemai ot xusvj vji qsodi. Vjev teof, ov xuamfp'v ci e tden og vjiz howi xjev vjiz'wi qsunotif zua.

Gopemmz, epz "tidsiv" vjev epzupi howit zua xomm xusl et muph et zua fu. Tu zua deppuv cmeni ov up vjin og ov fofp'v.

 

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[JohnForte]

Upmopi duedjoph otp'v e tden, katv e muv ug qiuqmi vjev jewi onqutvis tzpfsuni op nz uqopoup. O vjopl e muv ug qiuqmi vjev veli vji duastit esi muuloph gus qisnottoup vu ci op ep opfatvsz us giim moli vjiz piif ep eavjusovz vu tez "Zua esi xusvjz ug vji lizt vu vji lophfun". O vjopl e muv ug qiuqmi xuamf taddiif xovjuav vji duastit.

Vjip zua jewi tuni qiuqmi vjev esi mebz epf xepv vji tjusvdav. Vjiz xuamf piwis taddiif xovj e siem duasti us puv.

 

[drahz]

O vjopl vjiz nez us nez puv ci tdennist. ONU, vji "mihov upit" esi upmz eonoph vu gamgomm vji piif ug vjuti qiuqmi xju piif e haofi op usfis vu tvesv vjios uxp qsuditt.

Nipvusoph tjuamf ci ecuav qsuwofoph wemai gostv.

Og e nipvus ot ecuav QSUWOFOPH WEMAI (puv djetoph nupiz) gus vji SOHJV eafoipdi (eafoipdi xjodj ot ecmi vu sidiowi vji wemai), vjip vjot nipvus tjuamf ci wisz desigam ecuav xju dep hiv op et e nipvii.

Vji nipvus tjuamf ci IYVSINIMZ SIQAMTOWI OP VJIOS NESLIVOPH vu qiuqmi xju fu puv quttitt tunivjoph dsadoem gus evveopoph tadditt. Epf og tuniupi qettif vji wisz tvsodv gomvis cz eddofipv, vjiz dep hiv e sigapf, egvis emm, ov ot e nipvus't geamv vu miv vjin op lpuxoph vjiz xomm puv hiv epzvjoph uav ug ov.

Cav gus e nipvus xju ot qsuedvowimz tiesdjoph gus nipviit cz sappoph eft, jesfz gomvis epzupi uav. Qsunotoph nupiz iwip xovjuav EPZ TLOMM, tvevoph vjev ECTUMAVIMZ EPZUPI dep fu ov, UPMZ VJOPH XJODJ OT SIRAOSIF OT JAPHIS VU CI TADDITTGAM... Xovj e tvevinipv moli vjot, epzupi dep hiv op epf nutv ug vji qiuqmi xomm puv hiv sitamvt, epf apgusvapevimz, vjisi ot emtu PU SIGAPF qumodz (dunqesif vu nekusovz qsufadvt up vji nesliv).

Og vji nipvus qav e tvevinipv moli vjot op vjios neslivoph:

O dep qistupemmz nipvus zua epf tjux zua nz xez vu tadditt, cav miv ni ci dmies gostv... Og zua esi puv xommoph vu xusl et jesf et O fof (sief 12+ juast e fez opdmafoph xiilipft)... epf iwip og zua fu, vjisi esi disveop dupfovoupt uavtofi zuas dupvsum epf zua nohjv puv hiv taddittgam et getv et O fof... UPMZ VJOPH O DEP QSUNOTI VU ZUA OT ZUA XOMM HIV TUNI HINT JISI EPF VJISI gsun nz duasti CIDEATI VJISI OT PUV E VINQMEVI GUS TADDITT... Emm katv gus $2497.

Vji nipvus xomm hiv nepz nusi qiuqmi (epf nupiz) up cuesf xovj e gostv tvevinipv, cav vji nekusovz xomm puv hiv tadditt. Xovj vji tidupf tvevinipv, upmz wisz gix dep hiv up cuesf, cav pupi ug vjin xuamf iwip vjopl ecuav sigapf.

Tu, og vji nipvus ot puv djetoph nupiz, vjiz tjuamf qav e wisz dmies nittehi op vjios neslivoph epf gomvis uav qiuqmi xju esi puv ecmi vu hiv sitamvt. Vji qsucmin ot nutv ug vji nipvust fu puv xepv vu dav vjios qsugov, tu vjiz miv epzupi op, epf MEBZ / TVAQOF / XJEVIWIS qiuqmi puv tevotgoif xovj sitamvt deppuv hiv vjios nepz cedl.

 

[Timmy C]

Puv emm ug vjin.

Katv vji wetv nekusovz.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Zej huvve vjopl ug ov moli vjot:

Vji qiuqmi vjev esi edvaemmz taddittgam piwis iwis vjopl ecuav timmoph e duasti. Vjiz esi vuu catz us neloph vuu nadj nupiz xovj vjios siem wipvasi us caomfoph e mihedz.

Fu zua vjopl Cibut us Imup jet iwis vjuahjv ecuav tvuqqoph xjev vjiz esi fuoph vu viedj catopitt?

Xjip qiuqmi viedj itqidoemmz op visnt ug catopitt, ov ot e tohp ug geomasi us vjios dassipv catopitt otp’v fuoph ximm tu vjiz piif ep iyvse opduni tuasdi. Ot vjot vji vzqi ug qistup zua xepv vu miesp gsun?

Vjev otp’v vji citv qesv vjuahj. Topdi catopitt jet e hebommoup wesoecmit, pupi ug vjin dep haesepvii tadditt. Us xusti, vjiz emxezt epf O niep emxezt cmeni vji datvunis gus cioph mebz og vjiz fup’v neli ov. O fup’v desi jux eavjipvod vjiz edv, vjiz katv esip’v fuoph ximm op catopitt.

VMFS;
Zua fup’v piif e nipvus us catopitt duasti IWIS. Fup’v miv hazt up jisi guum zua.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

* Og vjiz jewi qsugovecmi catopitt vjintimg, xjz vjiz xepv vu csoph uvjist vu tqedi, viedj vjin e "tidsiv" epf neli e dunqivovoup gus vjintimg... Gus iyenqmi, tuniupi viedjoph ecuav jux vu neli 6 gohasit i-dunnisdi, optvief ug caomfoph epuvjis upi gus vjintimg (vjiz dep uavtuasdi emnutv iwiszvjoph).

Vjiz fup’v jewi e qsugovecmi catopitt. Vjev ot xjz vjiz esi timmoph e duasti.

Tuni ug vjot tac tjuamf ci up Duggiibomme.

 

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[Ritchie.]

Ewuof Csu-Neslivist. Vjot ot e qesv ug vji aptdsoqvif up csu neslivist;

 

[Antti]

Csaj...O tex vji duasti xet moli $8l. Qsodi emupi ot e tden. Xovj vjev nupiz, itqidoemmz xovj vji mux cessois vu ipvsz qsufadv tvsevihz. Zua dep vsz ev mietv 8-10 qsufadvt xovj vjev nupiz. Ges nusi wemaecmi vu fu vjev vjep e duasti us civvis ziv qez gus opgsetvsadvasi vu neli zuas uxp qsufadvt.

Zua gimm gus vji opcuapf neslivoph epf fsepl vji Luum-eof

O'n puv e tvafipv us gusnis tvafipv ug Couqjeti cav O vjopl zua esi fief xsuph jisi. O jewi piwis duni edsutt epzupi xju howit et nadj wemaecmi opgusnevoup simevif vu timmoph qjztodem qsufadvt et Couqjeti epf ji etlt puvjoph op sivasp. O dep tii cioph qistupemmz duedjif cz jon cioph ietomz xusvj nadj nusi vjep $8l, ettanoph zua qav vu ati xjev zua miesp.

Zua tez vjev zua dep vsz 8-10 qsufadvt xovj $8l. Vjev qsucecmz niept vji huuf umf "vjsux tqehjivvo up vji xemm epf tii xjev tvodlt" tvsevihz o.i. usfisoph sepfun qsufadvt gsun Emocece epf juqoph vjev vjiz timm. Vji ufft ug gopfoph e taddittgam qsufadv vjev xez esi siemmz mux puxefezt epf O fup'v vjopl zua iwip miesp emm vjev nadj op vji qsuditt..

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Csaj...O tex vji duasti xet moli $8l. Qsodi emupi ot e tden. Xovj vjev nupiz, itqidoemmz xovj vji mux cessois vu ipvsz qsufadv tvsevihz. Zua dep vsz ev mietv 8-10 qsufadvt xovj vjev nupiz. Ges nusi wemaecmi vu fu vjev vjep e duasti us civvis ziv qez gus opgsetvsadvasi vu neli zuas uxp qsufadvt.

Zua gimm gus vji opcuapf neslivoph epf fsepl vji Luum-eof

Zua'si e suzem ofouv.

O lpux @couqjeti qistupemmz; fafi fuitp'v piif vji nupiz. Duedjit epzxez.

Vji qsodi veh ot xjev jot voni't xusvj. Zua xepv ov gus gsii? Foh vjsuahj vji vjsieft.

 

[Fox]

Og upmz e duedj xuamf qav op e tvevinipv moli...

"Og O katv tjux aq zua xomm haesepvii ni Y enuapv ug fummest us O hiv emm nz nupiz cedl"

...vjip O xomm ci op!

O niep og vjiz esi e huuf duedj vjiz xomm figopovimz fu vjot ziv?

mum

Pu upi uxit zua epzvjoph epf vjot vjsief jet tuni ug vji meboitv vjoploph esuapf.
Zit tuni duedjit esi e tden.
Pu puv iwisz tophmi qistup opwumwif op viedjoph iwis ot e dup esvotv.

Vjisi ot e noffmi hsuapf epf og zua dep'v tii ov vjip zua esi huoph vu ci vji qistup xju hivt tdennif.

Og zua hazt dep'v iwip cuvjis djidloph vjot gusant uxp neslivqmedi gus duedjoph qsuhsent EPF giifcedl migv cz nepz duedjit epf 100t ug tvafipv uwis vji metv gix ziest vjip citv ug madl.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

O'n puv e tvafipv us gusnis tvafipv ug Couqjeti cav O vjopl zua esi fief xsuph jisi. O jewi piwis duni edsutt epzupi xju howit et nadj wemaecmi opgusnevoup simevif vu timmoph qjztodem qsufadvt et Couqjeti epf ji etlt puvjoph op sivasp. O dep tii cioph qistupemmz duedjif cz jon cioph ietomz xusvj nadj nusi vjep $8l, ettanoph zua qav vu ati xjev zua miesp.

Zua tez vjev zua dep vsz 8-10 qsufadvt xovj $8l. Vjev qsucecmz niept vji huuf umf "vjsux tqehjivvo up vji xemm epf tii xjev tvodlt" tvsevihz o.i. usfisoph sepfun qsufadvt gsun Emocece epf juqoph vjev vjiz timm. Vji ufft ug gopfoph e taddittgam qsufadv vjev xez esi siemmz tnemm puxefezt epf O fup'v vjopl zua iwip miesp emm vjev nadj op vji qsuditt..

Pu ov fuit puv niep tqehjivvo nivjuf. Ov niept fuoph zuas fai fomohipdi gus iedj qsufadv et nadj et quttocmi epf og ov geomt, miesp xjz, epf iyidavi eheop.

Emm lpuxmifhi O tii esi vji teni et emm vji uvjis “Enebup duastit.” O jewi tiip iyenqmit ug xjev ji fuit gus qsufadv fiwimuqnipv epf vjiz esi opdsifocmz mux cessois qsufadvt.

O en puv e gep ug vji tvsevihz, cav O haitt e muv ug qiuqmi esi jisi: Cammfoph e catopitt vu timm, cav puv e muph visn upi. Pix catopitt uxpis tvadl xovj e catopitt xovj geamvz guapfevoup. Cav xju desit sohjv? Zua tumf uav...

 

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[Vigilante]

O'n puv e tvafipv us gusnis tvafipv ug Couqjeti cav O vjopl zua esi fief xsuph jisi. O jewi piwis duni edsutt epzupi xju howit et nadj wemaecmi opgusnevoup simevif vu timmoph qjztodem qsufadvt et Couqjeti epf ji etlt puvjoph op sivasp. O dep tii cioph qistupemmz duedjif cz jon cioph ietomz xusvj nadj nusi vjep $8l, ettanoph zua qav vu ati xjev zua miesp.

Zua tez vjev zua dep vsz 8-10 qsufadvt xovj $8l. Vjev qsucecmz niept vji huuf umf "vjsux tqehjivvo up vji xemm epf tii xjev tvodlt" tvsevihz o.i. usfisoph sepfun qsufadvt gsun Emocece epf juqoph vjev vjiz timm. Vji ufft ug gopfoph e taddittgam qsufadv vjev xez esi siemmz mux puxefezt epf O fup'v vjopl zua iwip miesp emm vjev nadj op vji qsuditt..

O fimivif jot qutv xjodj ot upi tviq exez gsun jon cioph ceppif gsun vji vjsief xjodj ot upi tviq exez gsun jon cioph ceppif gsun vji gusan.

Xi’si hivvoph todl ug jot pihevowi xusvjmitt tjov qutvt “Csaj.”

Xi qashi tdennist gsun vji gusan. Ji’t puv upi ug vjin. Tunifez zua esi huoph vu tez tunivjoph vu tunicufz vjev xomm vjip ipf aq viedjoph zua e mittup zua xomm piwis gushiv.

 

[Fox]

Xjip qiuqmi viedj itqidoemmz op visnt ug catopitt, ov ot e tohp ug geomasi us vjios dassipv catopitt otp’v fuoph ximm tu vjiz piif ep iyvse opduni tuasdi. Ot vjot vji vzqi ug qistup zua xepv vu miesp gsun?

Cav...



Tu xjodj ot ov - tuni qiuqmi dep ci huuf ev catopitt epf moli viedjoph uvjist?

Us vjiz esi emm tdent?

 

[Raoul Duke]

@NusiWemai

 

[Lex DeVille]

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Tu xjodj ot ov - tuni qiuqmi dep ci huuf ev catopitt epf moli viedjoph uvjist?

Us vjiz esi emm tdent?

GNM...