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Those who have completed the first 60 days - how is it going?

I moved away from purely sitting down for an hour to meditate. Occasionally I do it, but it depends on the week. Though sometimes, just after waking up I will just stand down in the sun, and just enjoy the moment.

On the flip side, I have been practicing being more mindful throughout the day. When I eat for example, or when I go for walks early in the morning. I'm looking for pockets where I can practice it.

So in the way more mindfulness, but using meditation less. It has been very rewarding.

Especially during the walks. I have a river not too far from my place. It is very painful and enjoyable to walk there in the morning, watching the sunrise and the organ reflection on the water. And also ironically my chatter tends to be more intense when I walk than when I lay still.

I am also experimenting with journaling. I have been doing it for years occasionally. Recently, I have moved to a daily consistent practice, in the form of a stream of consciousness. I realized it helped tremendously when my chatter is especially high. I will write down everything that crossed my mind and an hour after, the chatter will be much quieter.
 

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What kind of devices? I usually just use my phone and free youtube videos for guided meditation. I especially like listening to Alan Watts in chillstep songs, and its free too
like the two listed in that thread, lol. me being an engineer, something to help me map and return to the correct state makes sense. curious if anyone here got that to work before i be the guinea pig
 

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Day 177 here.

I think I'm going to switch to 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening or 20 minutes three times a day. Or something else entirely. Not sure what to do.

The last few weeks have been completely atrocious. I sit for an hour thinking about stuff, shifting my focus to my breath for a while and then thinking about something else again, feeling like I'm completely wasting my time. It's not fun, it's not a struggle, it's just a waste of time as I could just as well go on a walk and do the exact same thing and at least get some exercise.

I know how disappointing it sounds but it feels like it gave me benefits in the first 60, maybe 100+ days, but the more I do it, the worse it is.

Meditation was supposed to bring me more peace of mind but after doing it for almost half a year I'm now unsure if it's really as great as people deem it. Or maybe I still haven't done enough of it to make it "work."

One hour in the morning is too stressful. Early mornings are my most productive periods of the day and some of my favorite peaceful moments. If I have to meditate first thing in the morning for an hour, I'm then stressed out because I don't have time for other stuff. The day starts way too fast and I have less peace of mind, not more.

I'm not sure yet what I'll do but it's unsustainable as it is now.
 

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Day 177 here.

I think I'm going to switch to 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening or 20 minutes three times a day. Or something else entirely. Not sure what to do.

The last few weeks have been completely atrocious. I sit for an hour thinking about stuff, shifting my focus to my breath for a while and then thinking about something else again, feeling like I'm completely wasting my time. It's not fun, it's not a struggle, it's just a waste of time as I could just as well go on a walk and do the exact same thing and at least get some exercise.

I know how disappointing it sounds but it feels like it gave me benefits in the first 60, maybe 100+ days, but the more I do it, the worse it is.

Meditation was supposed to bring me more peace of mind but after doing it for almost half a year I'm now unsure if it's really as great as people deem it. Or maybe I still haven't done enough of it to make it "work."

One hour in the morning is too stressful. Early mornings are my most productive periods of the day and some of my favorite peaceful moments. If I have to meditate first thing in the morning for an hour, I'm then stressed out because I don't have time for other stuff. The day starts way too fast and I have less peace of mind, not more.

I'm not sure yet what I'll do but it's unsustainable as it is now.

I think its totally fine to adjust based on where you are in life. Some periods 1 hour a day might be better, whereas others 15 minutes could have the same impact.

I never set a fixed time anymore, but I generally end up doing 15-20 minutes twice a day. I still feel it adds a sense of calm even to do 15 minutes in the morning compared to nothing, I'm much more focused this way. Most popular meditation techniques (eg: TM) follow the same pattern as well.

I'd say you should adjust to whatever suits your current lifestyle, but don't completely stop, it will be much harder to pick it back up again later. The benefits are definitely real and will have a compounding effect over time.
 

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Thanks, @redshift.

Ironically my 1-hour session today was much, much better than every single session for the last few weeks.

I think that the main reason is that instead of trying to focus on my breath I didn't focus on anything in particular. Not my breath, not my thoughts, not counting, just sitting and taking it as it is. The funny thing is that later I researched it and learned about "do nothing" meditation which is pretty much what I did today.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6cdIaUZCA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4yipKfO8nA


This type of meditation suits me much better. I think that my inner overachiever focused too much on focusing on the breath. Instead of just accepting it as it is I was in reality struggling and that made me frustrated and feeling like I was wasting my time (because essentially I was, through controlling the entire session).

I think that I'll stick to one-hour sessions but maybe allow myself some flexibility when it's really inconvenient in the morning.
 

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Thanks, @redshift.

Ironically my 1-hour session today was much, much better than every single session for the last few weeks.

I think that the main reason is that instead of trying to focus on my breath I didn't focus on anything in particular. Not my breath, not my thoughts, not counting, just sitting and taking it as it is. The funny thing is that later I researched it and learned about "do nothing" meditation which is pretty much what I did today.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6cdIaUZCA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4yipKfO8nA


This type of meditation suits me much better. I think that my inner overachiever focused too much on focusing on the breath. Instead of just accepting it as it is I was in reality struggling and that made me frustrated and feeling like I was wasting my time (because essentially I was, through controlling the entire session).

I think that I'll stick to one-hour sessions but maybe allow myself some flexibility when it's really inconvenient in the morning.

Took a look at the first video. In Zen, this is known as shikantaza or "Just Sitting". It's the main practice of the Soto school of Zen. This is what I do as well when practicing Zen. It worked best for me as well after trying a bunch of different techniques.

You can read "Zen Mind, Beginners Mind" if you want deeper insight into this. He starts with getting you to notice your breath, and then eventually "drop the breath" which is effectively the same as this.
 

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Day 177 here.

I think I'm going to switch to 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening or 20 minutes three times a day. Or something else entirely. Not sure what to do.

The last few weeks have been completely atrocious. I sit for an hour thinking about stuff, shifting my focus to my breath for a while and then thinking about something else again, feeling like I'm completely wasting my time. It's not fun, it's not a struggle, it's just a waste of time as I could just as well go on a walk and do the exact same thing and at least get some exercise.

I know how disappointing it sounds but it feels like it gave me benefits in the first 60, maybe 100+ days, but the more I do it, the worse it is.

Meditation was supposed to bring me more peace of mind but after doing it for almost half a year I'm now unsure if it's really as great as people deem it. Or maybe I still haven't done enough of it to make it "work."

One hour in the morning is too stressful. Early mornings are my most productive periods of the day and some of my favorite peaceful moments. If I have to meditate first thing in the morning for an hour, I'm then stressed out because I don't have time for other stuff. The day starts way too fast and I have less peace of mind, not more.

I'm not sure yet what I'll do but it's unsustainable as it is now.
I haven't had a consistent meditation "ritual" for a long time. I used to do it every day a long time ago, and back then, when I was dealing with anxiety issues, it taught me a whole different way of being and approaching life, and navigating situations through my own inner strength.

However, the way I like to put it is that what I learned from meditation has nothing to do with meditation itself. What I learned basically is to stop "avoiding". All failure has its roots in avoidance. The opposite of avoidance is probably courage - facing things. I think meditation can be good to teach you the basics of that. And facing things is the bedrock foundation for any kind of progress in life.

First of all, you have to face your own failings. The fact that YOU are holding yourself back. The fact that YOU don't want it bad enough. Whatever it is. And sometimes you have to come to terms with that. Usually when you do, you find a smarter way to do things, that doesn't even require you to do what you were avoiding. But facing reality is key.

And the same is true in business. The people who make the most money are the people who take the best decisions. And you can't take good decisions if you don't face reality. So the skill translates very well into business. You got to ask yourself questions, never take things for granted, and look for better ways.

After I discovered these things about avoidance through meditation, I didn't need it so much anymore. I found that I could "meditate" by living my life consciously, choosing "not to avoid" whenever it came up. Which may be similar to the conclusion you're coming to now, quite fascinating in my opinion!
 

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I haven't had a consistent meditation "ritual" for a long time. I used to do it every day a long time ago, and back then, when I was dealing with anxiety issues, it taught me a whole different way of being and approaching life, and navigating situations through my own inner strength.

However, the way I like to put it is that what I learned from meditation has nothing to do with meditation itself. What I learned basically is to stop "avoiding". All failure has its roots in avoidance. The opposite of avoidance is probably courage - facing things. I think meditation can be good to teach you the basics of that. And facing things is the bedrock foundation for any kind of progress in life.

First of all, you have to face your own failings. The fact that YOU are holding yourself back. The fact that YOU don't want it bad enough. Whatever it is. And sometimes you have to come to terms with that. Usually when you do, you find a smarter way to do things, that doesn't even require you to do what you were avoiding. But facing reality is key.

And the same is true in business. The people who make the most money are the people who take the best decisions. And you can't take good decisions if you don't face reality. So the skill translates very well into business. You got to ask yourself questions, never take things for granted, and look for better ways.

After I discovered these things about avoidance through meditation, I didn't need it so much anymore. I found that I could "meditate" by living my life consciously, choosing "not to avoid" whenever it came up. Which may be similar to the conclusion you're coming to now, quite fascinating in my opinion!
Agree.

Facing things head on without drama or stress. Key.

I still meditate for the simple reason of staying in tune with myself. Like you though, the same things are not needed that were needed at first.

You say living life consciously, I say live life intentionally. Means the same thing.
 
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First of all, you have to face your own failings. The fact that YOU are holding yourself back. The fact that YOU don't want it bad enough. Whatever it is. And sometimes you have to come to terms with that. Usually when you do, you find a smarter way to do things, that doesn't even require you to do what you were avoiding. But facing reality is key.
I prefer to see what you are calling failings as simply experiences. Face them of course, but labeling them as failures is automatically discounting yourself.

We are perfect at creating. We may not always like what we create... but we were fantastically creating it. :)
 

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I prefer to see what you are calling failings as simply experiences. Face them of course, but labeling them as failures is automatically discounting yourself.

We are perfect at creating. We may not always like what we create... but we were fantastically creating it. :)
I agree with you, both times very useful remarks, thank you for your posts.

I like the perspective you take on this, and I find it interesting. How do you orient yourself to "creating more of what you like" if I can put it that way? I find the language of "failings" useful to help us understand what we want more of and what we want less of - ie, to give us a sense of direction, rather than final judgment if that makes sense.
 

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Do you feel overwhelmed by the incessant mind chatter? Do you struggle to focus? Do desires rule your life? Are you dealing with recurring mental issues like anxiety, feelings of guilt, shame, fear, inadequacy, stress, etc.? Do you find it impossible to just stop and relax?

As entrepreneurs, we're all about taking action. We may mask our inner issues with endless hustle. We may tell ourselves that we can't afford to take a break because our competitors will get ahead. We may use solutions that address the symptom but not the core reason. For example, we may use technology to block sites that distract us. While we won't be able to access them, our desire to check them will be back once the obstacle is gone—or we'll find another, perhaps even worse outlet to meet the underlying need.

As entrepreneurs, we often ignore our mental health. We may even tell ourselves that our mental struggles are, in a twisted way, good for us.

Stress? That's a normal part of life, isn't it?

Anxiety? It's good for me as it keeps me alert.

Incessant mind chatter? This means I have a ton of ideas.

Deep down, we may know that there's something wrong if...

...we can't sit down with our friends and family and just enjoy being with them because we're constantly thinking of our business...

...we regularly feel anxious for an unknown reason...

...we can't focus on a single thing for more than a few minutes...

...we're stuck in an endless cycle of trying one thing, only to try another to then give it up and try yet another, never going anywhere...

...we have no clarity when making decisions...

...we're wasting time arguing over politics or anything else that is beyond our control.

And yet, despite all these worrying signs, we keep ignoring our mental health.

The last year has been very difficult for me. Grief, anxiety, stress, fear, rumination, inability to focus for more than a few minutes, judgment, and lack of acceptance have been ruling my life. I'm slowly going crazy, losing control over my mind.

I started seeking solutions to get myself out of this disquieting state. Which brings me to the topic of meditation.

I'll use the words of Naval Ravikant, a very successful entrepreneur, investor, and a brilliant philosopher, to explain the why and how:



source: Jorgenson, Eric. The Almanack of Naval Ravikant: A Guide to Wealth and Happiness.

If you prefer it in audio, here it is:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2kgZ1Puye8&feature=youtu.be


Naval Ravikant recommends the following practice:



I decided to follow his suggestion. And then I thought: why not get some support and do it (or rather, "not do") with fellow Fastlaners.

The rules are simple:

1. You meditate one hour a day for 60 days, ideally in the morning. You sit down and do nothing (don't use any apps or guided meditation). Naval's suggested method is:

If thoughts come, thoughts come. I’m not going to fight them. I’m not going to embrace them. I’m not going to think harder about them. I’m not going to reject them. I’m just going to sit here for an hour with my eyes closed, and I’m going to do nothing.

No focus, no mantra, no dharma, no chakras, no Buddhas, no gurus, no gratitude, no scripture, no temple, no music, no gadgets, no apps.


2. You meditate every day. If you skip a day, you go back to day 1. We want to prioritize our mental health, build momentum and turn it into a daily practice. This is akin to a workout for your mind. It won't work well if you start and stop.

3. It needs to be at least an hour (use a timer). You can't do two 30-minute sessions or four 15-minute sessions. Once you start, you keep sitting until 60 minutes pass.

To give everyone a few days to prepare, we can start on Monday, December 14. Who's in?


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Update after finishing the challenge on February 11th, 2021. Read my thoughts here:
Bro... I can't even take a sh** for 5 minutes without my kids banging the door down!
 

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I agree with you, both times very useful remarks, thank you for your posts.

I like the perspective you take on this, and I find it interesting. How do you orient yourself to "creating more of what you like" if I can put it that way? I find the language of "failings" useful to help us understand what we want more of and what we want less of - ie, to give us a sense of direction, rather than final judgment if that makes sense.
We create what we want. But that is hampered by negative thoughts and beliefs that we can't accomplish.

Also by not knowing what we really want.Our mind thinks it knows but it usually doesn't. Our inner self does know. That is where meditation comes in for me.

Move in the direction that you think you want to go. You will find out quickly if that is what you really want.

I watch to see how everything flows. How smooth it goes. What my energy feels like. And keep moving in that direction if all is smooth and harmonious.
 

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