The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[Napoolion]

Russian helicopter hitting the sky

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5DVsM38bo


There are different explanations for this, one is that choppers don't want to go near ukraine air defences and shoot a salvo for big area to avoid losses and maybe hitting something.
Other is they don't want to hit civilian targets and just shoot their rockets and return to base.

captured Russian a Fara surveillance radar typically used by Russian razvedchiki, snipers, or spetsnaz.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504392659904966657

View: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1504392659904966657


#Ukraine forces in besieged #Mariupol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504378507039842311

View: https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1504378507039842311


Abandoned russia'n ammo truck seized in #Nikolaev area south #Ukraine

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504379222407716865

View: https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1504379222407716865


destroyed Bayraktar TB-2 drone in #Kyiv

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504381521582559239

View: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1504381521582559239


Ukrainian farmer with a captured Russian BTR-80 vehicle.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1504376260323069953

Newly released photos of destroyed Russian equipment in southern Ukraine
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1504356639280873474



General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine report

Operational Information 06.00, 17.03.2022 in connection with #russian_invasion
Video: Оперативна інформація станом на 06.00 17.03.2022 щодо російського вторгнення

The twenty-second day began with the heroic opposition of the Ukrainian people to the Russian military invasion.
The status, position and nature of the activities of the Defense Forces have not changed significantly in recent days. The Ukrainian armed forces continued to deliver devastating blows to enemy forces trying to gain a foothold and maintain the protection of the lines taken.
During the day, the defenders of Ukraine destroyed the command and control units of the 35th Joint Army of the Eastern Military District of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the losses of the enemy are being specified.

In addition, ten enemy air targets were destroyed the day before, thanks to the air defense skills of the Air Defense Air Force and the Ukrainian Armed Forces: two Su-34 fighters. -bombers, three Su-34SM fighters, three helicopters and a working UAV. Information on the type of other crashed aircraft and the deaths of the pilots is being specified. The air forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will continue to take active steps to deprive unbelievers of the opportunity to rule in the air.
The enemy, who is unable to carry out ground operations, continues to deliver rockets and bombings to Ukrainian urban infrastructure and densely populated areas.

Russia's infidels continue to operate insidiously in the information space, carrying out cyber-attacks, physically destroying television and radio multipliers, and continuing a massive information campaign to discredit Ukraine's top military and political leaders and members of the Defense Forces.
At the same time, the enemy continues to actively disseminate disinformation among its population about the so-called "special operation".

The occupying forces continue to suffer losses. There are major problems with the assembly of battlegroups and support units. The enemy's personnel have become demoralized, leading to a number of desertions and refusals by members of the Russian Federation's armed forces to take part in the war on Ukrainian territory.

If someone would let me know the reports from Russian side like that, it would be great to see them. This is what the РИА Новости - события в Москве, России и мире сегодня: темы дня, фото, видео, инфографика, радио side looks like. Looks like it gives way less info out and limited.
Two Kirov residents rescued a schoolboy who fell through the ice
11:03
In Russia, 5008 C0VlD-19 patients were hospitalized per day
11:03
Aeroflot plans special flights from Turkey and Thailand
11:01
The Tomsk region sent 20 tons of humanitarian aid to the people of Donbass
10:59
The Human Rights Council commented on the possibility of reinstating the death penalty in Russia
10:57
Zakharova names German newspaper Bild "leader of counterfeits"
10:56
The FAS carries out anti-cartel inspections of the largest sugar producers
10:56
China will continue trade and economic cooperation with Russia
10:53
A Cameroonian citizen is being tried for cheating 19 Russians
10:53
Senator calls for ban on childless propaganda
10:47
Russian aviation destroyed the S-300 air defense systems division in Ukraine
10:46
The Rostov region supports Donbass applicants
10:46
The government supports exporters affected by the sanctions
10:46
The price of gas in Europe rose by more than $ 1,200 per thousand cubic meters
10:42
Algerian journalists condemn Ukrainian host's call for Russian genocide
10:40
The Russian wood industry provides raw materials for the production of diapers and pillows
10:40
Nearly a thousand Russians were deported from Egypt and Sri Lanka
10:38
A column from the Ministry of Emergency Situations delivered about 50 tons of humanitarian aid to the LPR
10:38
There is practically no unemployment in Moscow, said Deputy Mayor Yefimov
10:35
China calls on the US to end pressure on Chinese companies
10:33
The EP proposes the introduction of a "youth refund" to support students.
10:32
China reminded NATO of the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia
10:32
In Kharkov, a US-controlled country, they investigated the infection through bats
10:30
Medvedev said the United States had long laid the groundwork for furious hatred of Russia
10:28
LNR troops waged successful battles against nationalists in Severodonetsk at night
10:28
Media: NASA asked an astronaut to choose expressions after the attack on Rogozin
10:27
The Russian army destroyed 181 planes and helicopters in Ukraine
10:25
Russia launched a rocket attack on a warehouse in the Rivne region with Tochki-U
10:23
India and Russia are discussing a scheme to convert rupees into rubles, media reported
10:21
The Ministry of Defense is showing new documents on the activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine
10:17
Permanent US military bases may emerge in Poland
10:15
The ruble continues to appreciate against the dollar and the euro
10:09
Former prisoners of the secret prison "Aidara" confessed to the LNR's Ministry of National Security investigators.
10:07
Medvedev said the mad Russophobia of the West would never reach the bottom
10:07
DPR is gradually occupying Mariupol and Avdiivka
10:07
The DPR asked Russia to strengthen the republic's air defense
10:05
Medvedev called Western behavior criminal and immoral
10:05
Russia can deal with all the "overgrown enemies," Medvedev said
10:04
The EP proposes measures to combat rising baby food prices
10:00
The Ukrainian diplomat tried to take a million dollars out of the country
09:58
"Artek" takes DPR and LPR children on vacation
09:58
The former deputy of the Rada revealed Kiev's plan to spread counterfeits to Russia
09:57
Sheremetyevo Airport lifted the mask regime
09:46
295 people were evacuated from Mariupol and its suburbs at 0:54
09:45
The State Duma explained what the size of the indexation of pensions will depend on
09:42
The government is expanding hospital procurement opportunities
09:41
Ukrainian troops opened fire on DPR territory 34 times a day
09:39
The FAS controls the sugar supply chain
09:39
Media: HackerOne disconnected Russian and Belarusian users
09:37
The Federal Council commented on the increase in pensions and social benefits
09:34
Media: Sanctions against Russia hit French
09:33
According to an eyewitness, the Ukrainian armed forces have increased the fear of the Russian army
09:28
An outbreak occurred in an orphanage in Tuvani
09:28
Russia's Su-25 destroyed the military warehouses of the Ukrainian security forces at 0:25
09:26
In the Democratic Republic of Ukraine, two people were killed during the day during the shooting of Ukrainian armed forces
09:21
The government is funding the construction and furnishing of hospitals in the regions
09:18
Russia is imposing a moratorium on raising forest use fees
09:17
Ministry of Transport: Russian airlines continue to operate international flights
09:16
Ukrainian troops shot Donetsk
09:15
During the last month, 737 shootings of Ukrainian armed forces were registered in the LPR.
09:11
Russia has developed a plan to support the energy complex in the face of sanctions
09:11
Vietnam is opening its borders to unvaxinated tourists
09:05
In the United States, Zelenski was attacked for his words about World War III
09:04
Zakharova: Countries supplying weapons to Kiev are causing problems
09:03
Gas transit through Ukraine is expected to be at the previous day's level
09:00
Russian scientists have created antibacterial textiles
08:56
The Foreign Ministry explained Russia's decision to withdraw from the Council of Europe
08:56
Opora Rossii spoke about working with Europe in the context of sanctions
08:55
The Foreign Ministry commented on the possibility of excluding Russia from the G20
08:54
Trump said the Russian special operation came as a surprise to him

 

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[Black_Dragon43]

No, NATO didn't just wake up to launch a nuke to Moscow. In fact, they've been planning this for decades, this explains why NATO, a "defensive organisation", has been expanding eastwards to Russia and placing more and more troops there.

The closer to the target, the better the accuracy. It's not just ICBMs. By turning Ukraine into a US vassal state, it's basically putting a US right next to Russia. They can park US aircraft carriers there, US troops, all ready to charge into Russia for ground invasion.

LOL! If this was the case, NATO could've crushed Russia in the 1990s, when Russia was weak and barely holding itself together. You're forgetting that it is the West that gracefully rescued Russia and saved their economy by pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the Russian economy.

NATO expanded primarily because the Eastern European countries were knocking on their doors and asking to join. I wonder why. Isn't it perhaps because Russia was a SHIT neighbor who raped and pillaged them, and they wanted to finally get rid of Russia?

The US setup the stage for Zelensky and funneled him into his current position. The TV show/movie where he plays the president of Ukraine was also a staged leadup to this. Everything has been nicely orchestrated. The US has his arms deep inside Ukraine. Otherwise how do you think they've > 30+ BIOLABS in Ukraine?

This makes no sense. According to your narrative, the US was already in power in Ukraine, through Petro Poroshenko and the European Solidarity party. They did NOT need to create another party to stay in power - the Servants of the People party which Zelensky started in 2018. You're literally pulling stuff out of your a$$ that makes zero sense.

Zelensky's victory, if anything, was a reactionary, Ukrainian nationalist uprising against corruption, including corruption involving the West. It's as close as you get to an authentic Ukrainian political movement.

The biolabs have 0 to do with Zelensky, they were there before him. So why are you bringing that up?

You're right and wrong. The Poles are hawkish but cowardly, because while they want to take this chance to strike Russia, they don't want to do it from their OWN country, so they wanted to do it from Germany LOL

Well, beforehand, you were saying that the Polish are hawkish and want to start a conflict. That was flat out wrong, and a lie. You should at least admit it.

Whether they wanted to snub Russia, and throw a little punch if they could, of course they did. Who wouldn't, after Russia downed their plane in Smolensk 2010? Wherever Russia is, there trouble exists.

The world is safer with a balance of power. The US was ok with being the sole Superpower of the world, but when Russia and China stands up, it can't accept that?

The world is safer with democratic regimes, even if they are corrupt. Russia and China aren't democratic regimes, they make the world less safe by their very nature. Russia and China should not be "standing up" - they should mind their own business, in their own countries. The fact that they want to stand up is a problem. We just reached a point when the US was backing down, realizing that it's a mistake to intervene militarily after the costly Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam invasions, we don't need others to "stand up" and take their place, especially when the said others are brutal dictatorships.

If anything, what's going on now is ZELENSKY as an INDEPENDENT LEADER of Ukraine is manipulating Russia and the West to save his country. The same way Fidel Castro manipulated the USSR and the US to save Cuba. What, you think the Cuban Missile Crisis happened by accident? Of course not, it was engineered by Fidel, he was the only winner out of that conflict.

It's a grave mistake to think Zelensky is pro-Western. He's not. He just needs the West to save his country now, and prefers the West to Russia, but he's not pro-Western in any real sense of the term. That's why he's trying to draw NATO and the West into the conflict - to protect Ukraine.

 

[Xeon]

There is a difference, you can bash your leaders and government in democratic societies as much as you want with no consequences. Go to red square and say something about not wanting a war. What do you think will happen to you?

Why would the ordinary Russian or Chinese want to do that? They're busy with their lives and jobs and going about their everyday mundane chores. "Democracy" is a veil that gives rise to various levels of anarchy. The only ones doing that are funded by the King of Regime Changes to unseat governments.

Your argument of being able to bash your leaders as much as you want is weak, because this sort of action only gives you the illusion that you're in a democratic nation when in reality, you are actually not.

Look at the US, a "democratic" country. People riot over the George Floyd case and various others, looting stores and whatnot, but what exactly has changed? It's all just an illusion.

You and others have been sold on the Democracy drug that makes you foam at the mouth whenever this word is mentioned.

Between a rich communist/socialist country or a poor and ruined democratic nation, which would you pick? Don't confuse China or Russia's system with North Korea btw.

With that scale it is a war. So you are saying any Russian who disagrees with Putin invading Ukraine is brainwashed?

If you want to see what a real war is like, look at the dirty wars the US has taken part in.

No, any Russian who disagrees with Putin invading Ukraine is not brainwashed, but any Russian that sides with the US or Zelensky is.

why always U.S vs Russia?

Because the current state of affairs is mostly created and made a lot worse by the US.

There's a saying, "Wherever the US goes, war follows".

Why Ukraine is like a piece of colony what needs to be under one or another.

Countries don't exist in a vacuum. They're all interconnected to each other. Each decision has a cause and effect.

Ukraine was neutral state, it is not in EU, not in NATO.

Nope, since 2014 the West controls them.
Uncle Sam looks at Ukraine lustfully, thinking of all the natural resources that she has, and he wants it for himself just like the goodies in the various middle east countries he has robbed.

NATO is already next to Russia.

That's why Russia needs Ukraine as a last buffer state.

Russia is a nuclear state, you must be nuts to attack it.

The US has plans to make Russia collapse from within then attack it. Russia's collapse will mean they can use Russia to launch their aggression on China.

Trust me, Ukrainans will be living much better than Russians in 10 years if they manage to get into EU.

If Ukraine gets into the EU, they'll get looted and pillaged bare. The West wants her natural resources. NATO wants to borrow Ukraine to be closer to Russia.

how long will Russians feed the KGB dictator, it's been over 20 years.

Putin is similar to Gaddafi of Libya and Saddam of Iraq. Those countries were actually more stable than compared to after the US invaded them. They are in a far worse state now. Looking at current Libya and Iraq and thinking of what Uncle Sam has done, I want to puke.

Putin must not fall.

LOL! If this was the case, NATO could've crushed Russia in the 1990s, when Russia was weak and barely holding itself together. You're forgetting that it is the West that gracefully rescued Russia and saved their economy by pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the Russian economy.

That was during Yeltsin's times and I'm not wrong, he's pro-US. As for why the US and the West pumped billions into Russia back then, you've to ask the White House what devious plans they have for Russia. The West is not a charity, this is politics, there are motives behind each move.

NATO expanded primarily because the Eastern European countries were knocking on their doors and asking to join. I wonder why. Isn't it perhaps because Russia was a SHIT neighbor who raped and pillaged them, and they wanted to finally get rid of Russia?

It wasn't because Russia was a bad neighbor, it's because they're afraid of the US. The high school bully wants you to join his local gang and run errands for him like a dog. Would you dare say no?

And what is the US doing in Europe anyway?

If Europe loves the US so much, they should change the upper corner area of their flags to show the US flag, and look to the US President as their Head of State, just like the relationship between Australia, New Zealand and the UK.

Zelensky's victory, if anything, was a reactionary, Ukrainian nationalist uprising against corruption, including corruption involving the West. It's as close as you get to an authentic Ukrainian political movement.

Zelensky himself is a devil. He has been killing numerous folks in eastern Ukraine. And what about this:

Pandora Papers Reveal Offshore Holdings of Ukrainian President and his Inner Circle - OCCRP

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky rode to power on pledges to clean up the Eastern European country, but the Pandora Papers reveal he and his close circle were the beneficiaries of a network o...

www.occrp.org

What the hell is this and how many dirty deeds has he done behind Ukrainians' backs? Is he really the saintly leader Western media portrays him to be? To preserve his power and legacy, he asks Ukrainians and foreigners to die for him in the name of "fighting for freedom against the Russians"?

The biolabs have 0 to do with Zelensky, they were there before him. So why are you bringing that up?

Because it is very disturbing and creepy, even eerie, for the US to have so many biolabs in such a faraway country. Anyone with critical thinking will ask questions like:

1) How long have these existed?

2) What is each of them used for? Can we have the details?

1 - 3 is perhaps understandable, but 36? Really?

The world is safer with democratic regimes, even if they are corrupt.

See my reply regarding this to the other guy above.

We just reached a point when the US was backing down, realizing that it's a mistake to intervene militarily after the costly Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam invasions

They aren't. They're regrouping and consolidating their forces to deal with Russia and China. If the US is really backing down, they would not be sending billions (or was it trillions) in military aid to Ukraine to prolong the war. The US from the beginning of this issue has not tried to de-escalate but did the reverse.

 

[Napoolion]

Why would the ordinary Russian or Chinese want to do that? They're busy with their lives and jobs and going about their everyday mundane chores. "Democracy" is a veil that gives rise to various levels of anarchy. The only ones doing that are funded by the King of Regime Changes to unseat governments.

Your argument of being able to bash your leaders as much as you want is weak, because this sort of action only gives you the illusion that you're in a democratic nation when in reality, you are actually not.

Look at the US, a "democratic" country. People riot over the George Floyd case and various others, looting stores and whatnot, but what exactly has changed? It's all just an illusion.

You and others have been sold on the Democracy drug that makes you foam at the mouth whenever this word is mentioned.

Between a rich communist/socialist country or a poor and ruined democratic nation, which would you pick? Don't confuse China or Russia's system with North Korea btw.

I have never seen a rich communist country yet where average citizen has that many opportunities for wealth than in democratic one. In fact I am from ex U.S.S.R country where the Russians were seen as occupiers, so don't come here telling me that russian provided "communism" and "liberation" is great. We have seen what Russia has done. Didn't the U.S.S.R already collapsed economically and now Russia want's to do it again? What is Russia economy without gas and oil? Russia is not North Korea yet, but seems they are heading that way... Good luck!

If you want to see what a real war is like, look at the dirty wars the US has taken part in.

I don't agree with late US wars, but this topic is about Russian war on Ukraine with already same casualties than U.S.S.R took in Afghanistan. Calling this still military operation is kinda walking around hands on your eyes.

If Ukraine gets into the EU, they'll get looted and pillaged bare. The West wants her natural resources. NATO wants to borrow Ukraine to be closer to Russia.

Nato or EU is not invading Ukraine right now. Russia is invading Ukraine right now...

It wasn't because Russia was a bad neighbor, it's because they're afraid of the US. The high school bully wants you to join his local gang and run errands for him like a dog. Would you dare say no?

Of course I say no. Russia is the bully and invading. Russia has been pretty shitty neighbor for at least over 100 years. Starting from Lenin to Trotsky trying to expand communism (also starving Ukrainans) and multiple coup attempts to being allies with Nazis and dividing Eastern Europe (War on Finland, Occuping Baltics, Dividing Poland, parts of Romania) before Nazis betrayed Russia (Molotov Rippentrop Pact). Hundreds of air space violations, war in georgia, war in ukraine starting from 2014, occupying crimera, war in checenya in 90s. Influencing Russian minorities but mostly "Protecting Russian minorities as a way to send troops to take over rich resource provinces". Russia is hugely shit as a neighbor.

If Europe loves the US so much, they should change the upper corner area of their flags to show the US flag, and look to the US President as their Head of State, just like the relationship between Australia, New Zealand and the UK.

Well, we had ussr flags what looked like soviet flag. Is that what you want?

And what is the US doing in Europe anyway?

Has to do with WW2 where you guys were allies.

1) How long have these existed?
2) What is each of them used for? Can we have the details?
1 - 3 is perhaps understandable, but 36? Really?

These are great questions. It literally makes no sense to have biolabs in there backed by U.S. What is the advantage U.S has for it being there. Maybe Russian false flag to use bioweapons? Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia's biological weapons claims

They aren't. They're regrouping and consolidating their forces to deal with Russia and China. If the US is really backing down, they would not be sending billions (or was it trillions) in military aid to Ukraine to prolong the war. The US from the beginning of this issue has not tried to de-escalate but did the reverse.

Makes zero sense. Russia would not be in this situation if it would not be invading. That is why U.S sends weapons, Russia is invading...

 

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[Cyberthal]

Many of the West's "leaders" are simply people who worked extremely hard to achieve power in order to gratify insatiable sexual appetite. For them the fame that would repel a normal human is an essential ingredient in their sexual strategy. Biden doesn't exactly have Game. Clinton did, and it was like adding gasoline to a house fire.

Such people are ideal, because they enthusiastically generate copious amounts of blackmail material, allowing The Powers That Be to control them. Everybody wins, even the Sheeple, who love to "love" their leaders.

You didn't really think 13 colonies was a coincidence, did you? 13 is a very popular occult number, with a simple, benign and universal meaning. 1 means unity. 3 means family: father mother child. Family unity; bloodline unity; the principle of aristocracy. Yet 13 means nothing but "evil bad luck" to the masses, who are prevented in myriad ways from doing the same. Many buildings literally omit the 13th floor. There are really 13 months, to sync the lunar calendar.

Numbers have meanings that transcend language and culture, for the same reason ancient societies record their important writings on stone monuments in pictographs. As the world turns (or sometimes floods and burns).

 

[Napoolion]

Many of the West's "leaders" are simply people who worked extremely hard to achieve power in order to gratify insatiable sexual appetite. For them the fame that would repel a normal human is an essential ingredient in their sexual strategy. Biden doesn't exactly have Game. Clinton did, and it was like adding gasoline to a house fire.

Such people are ideal, because they enthusiastically generate copious amounts of blackmail material, allowing The Powers That Be to control them. Everybody wins, even the Sheeple, who love to "love" their leaders.

You didn't really think 13 colonies was a coincidence, did you? 13 is a very popular occult number, with a simple, benign and universal meaning. 1 means unity. 3 means family: father mother child. Family unity; bloodline unity; the principle of aristocracy. Yet 13 means nothing but "evil bad luck" to the masses, who are prevented in myriad ways from doing the same. Many buildings literally omit the 13th floor. There are really 13 months, to sync the lunar calendar.

Numbers have meanings that transcend language and culture, for the same reason ancient societies record their important writings on stone monuments in pictographs. As the world turns (or sometimes floods and burns).

I am sorry, but wtf?

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

You didn't really think 13 colonies was a coincidence, did you? 13 is a very popular occult number, with a simple, benign and universal meaning. 1 means unity. 3 means family: father mother child. Family unity; bloodline unity; the principle of aristocracy. Yet 13 means nothing but "evil bad luck" to the masses, who are prevented in myriad ways from doing the same. Many buildings literally omit the 13th floor. There are really 13 months, to sync the lunar calendar.

LOL. This really helps us understand the situation in Ukraine.

There are a few factors details that I can add to this conversation.

1. India is not going to stop buying oil from anyone. Their finance minister recently said that no state government in India can sustain itself above $120/barrel. If the choice is appeasing the West or bankrupting themselves, it is pretty obvious what choice they are going to make.

2. Russia and US were "friends" until the US President Clinton did not consult Russia prior to the 1999 Serbian air campaign. Primakov was literally flying to meet with NATO and turned his plane around when NATO started bombing Russia's ally, Serbia. Article:
Primakov Does U-Turn Over Atlantic, Heads Home

3. Prior to becoming president, Putin was the deputy mayor of St Petersburg under mayor Anatoly Sobchak. Notably, Sobchak and two of his bodyguards had heart attacks on the same day while campaigning for Putin's presidency in Kaliningrad. (Feb 2000). In August 1999, Putin's approval rating was 31%. A month later, the September 1999 apartment bombings happened. In January 2000, Putin's approval rating was 88%. Statistics

 

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[Napoolion]

Vitali Klitško is asked if russian army only targets military targets

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Зарубежные журналисты взбесили Виталия Кличко Мэр Киева устал опровергать нарратив российской пропаганды о том, что армия РФ поражает только военные цели. «Вот это здание — это разве военный объект?» — задал он риторический вопрос, указывая на жилой дом.

t.me

Putin plans to fight until at least mid-April

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Путин планирует воевать как минимум до середины апреля Об этом свидетельствуют даты проведения всероссийской акции «Письмо солдату», где предлагается написать слова поддержки «участникам операции» оккупантам. Кстати, в школах учеников заставляют писать эти письма — видео поделился подписчик...

t.me

This is evidenced by the dates of the "Letter to a Soldier", where it is proposed to write words of support to the "participants of the operation"
In schools, students are forced to write these letters.

Aleksey Arestovich, adviser to the head of the presidential office, at a regular briefing on March 17, spoke about the successes of Ukraine's army

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t.me

Ukrainian troops destroyed the command post of one of the armies of the Russian Federation. This means the possible death of several generals at once. This means a pause in the conduct of hostilities and disorganization of Russian troops.
However, the enemy continues to methodically destroy civilian objects and terrorize the civilian population. He also resorts to his favorite methods - psychological pressure and informational special operations. A new topic that Russian propagandists are exaggerating is that Ukraine is losing in the negotiations. I want to remind you that the principled position of the president remains that Ukraine should be recognized in international borders as the state of 1991. Second: everything we agree on must be better than before the war.

Russian ships near Odessa, but no naval invasion

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504440205352349700

View: https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1504440205352349700

Three independent sources report that the deputy chief of Russia's Rosgvardia (a unit of RU's interior army which has had tremendous losses in Ukraine), Gen. Roman Gavrilov has been detained by FSB. Gavrilov had also previously worked in FSO, Putin's security service.
The reason for the detention is unclear: per one source he was detained by FSB's military counter-intelligence department over "leaks of military info that led to loss of life", while two others say it was "wasteful squandering of fuel".

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Intercepted conversation of Russian demoralized soldier who are looking for Ukraine's army bullets to shoot each other into the legs so they can go to hospital.
Unit has suffered horrendous losses and they are now deployed near Nikolaev. Want to enter city, but unit is not combat capable anymore.

Destroyed column of Russian 437th regiment of 47th tank army near Kamyanka, Kharkov region.

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Russian pro-gov media Pravda appeals to Stalin and threatens Poland with another invasion

Russian pro-gov media Pravda appeals to Stalin and threatens Poland with another invasion

www.outono.net

Ukraine forces arrived Mykolaiv ja Hersoni area and moving towards Herson city. Russians have been repelled and are digging in near the city.

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Scenes/remains from Herson area battles:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbLwK6ZKrEI

 

[juicey]

It wasn't because Russia was a bad neighbor, it's because they're afraid of the US. The high school bully wants you to join his local gang and run errands for him like a dog. Would you dare say no?

That sentence is enough to conclude that you know next to nothing about the recent histories of European countries near the border of Russia.

 

[Matt Sun]

Seems like the dangerous bio labs in Ukraine story is true. Also the nazi Azov batallion is true. Both funded by the pentagon (NATO). So much for the narrative "Putin is the crazy bad guy who invaded without a reason". I don't say what Putin did is good, but he definately had reasons and we were lied to (again) by the western media.

 

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[Chapas]

Sobchak and two of his bodyguards had heart attacks on the same day while campaigning for Putin's presidency in Kaliningrad. (Feb 2000).

Pfizer and Moderna would be proud of that accomplishment.

 

[Napoolion]

Seems like the dangerous bio labs in Ukraine story is true. Also the nazi Azov batallion is true. Both funded by the pentagon (NATO). So much for the narrative "Putin is the crazy bad guy who invaded without a reason". I don't say what Putin did is good, but he definately had reasons and we were lied to (again) by the western media.

Please give me some sources on those bio labs.

Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia's biological weapons claims

The BBC finds no evidence for Russian claims that Ukraine is developing biological weapons with US support.

www.bbc.com

So they destroyed the labs and documents the moment the invasion's start? Didn't the U.S use that one in Iraq/Afghanistan or was that chemical weapons? I am losing track of all big country invasion justifiers.

I am posting some videos from columns and etc, so the info is flowing. Otherwise this thread still is "military operation" and that Ukraine just wants to be liberated and etc... Seems like a war to me with Ukraine not willing to give up.

Russian column destroyed:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ryCBcq_qxk

Apparently Ukraine's pilot angled his damaged plane onto enemy column before ejecting. Probably died though, since no parachute is opening. Very motivated to fight the invaders.

https://censor.net/ru/video_news/3326115/ukrainskiyi_letchik_napravlyaet_svoyi_podbityyi_samolet_na_kolonnu_tehniki_okkupantov_video

 

[Black_Dragon43]

3. Prior to becoming president, Putin was the deputy mayor of St Petersburg under mayor Anatoly Sobchak. Notably, Sobchak and two of his bodyguards had heart attacks on the same day while campaigning for Putin's presidency in Kaliningrad

As I mentioned in my prior long post on Putin’s background, this information is not correct. Sobchak had the heart attack and died, his two bodyguards had symptoms of what resembled minor poisoning and received treatment.

That was during Yeltsin's times and I'm not wrong, he's pro-US. As for why the US and the West pumped billions into Russia back then, you've to ask the White House what devious plans they have for Russia. The West is not a charity, this is politics, there are motives behind each move

Well, I’ll tell you what the purpose was. Welcome Russia to the rest of the world, help them so they understand the West is not an enemy and open up their economy to Western businesses.

It wasn't because Russia was a bad neighbor, it's because they're afraid of the US. The high school bully wants you to join his local gang and run errands for him like a dog. Would you dare say no?

And what is the US doing in Europe anyway?

Russia was absolutely a terrible neighbor. Your hypothesis that somehow the Eastern states viewed Americans as the high school bully and were afraid of them is BACKWARDS.

When the Americans came post 89, they were welcomed in Eastern Europe with open arms - in fact, they were welcomed as saviors and gods. People didn’t want them to go away, they wanted MORE of them. People were tired of poverty and corruption which is all that the Eastern states got during Russian dominance.

Zelensky himself is a devil. He has been killing numerous folks in eastern Ukraine. And what about this:

Proof of any of these claims?

Regarding Zelensky’s wealth, sure he had money. He was a highly successful Ukrainian actor. What does this have to do with being owned by the US?

What the hell is this and how many dirty deeds has he done behind Ukrainians' backs? Is he really the saintly leader Western media portrays him to be? To preserve his power and legacy, he asks Ukrainians and foreigners to die for him in the name of "fighting for freedom against the Russians"?

Zelensky is a hero, the same way Fidel Castro was considered a hero by his country. The only reason why you like Castro and hate Zelensky is because one fought against the US (whom you hate) and the other fights against Russia (whom you like).

Because it is very disturbing and creepy, even eerie, for the US to have so many biolabs in such a faraway country. Anyone with critical thinking will ask questions like:

1) How long have these existed?

2) What is each of them used for? Can we have the details?

1 - 3 is perhaps understandable, but 36? Really?

We’re not sure that those numbers are accurate, but the reason for having such labs is public health research. Some are funded by the US, but they are Ukrainian managed and led.

Read for yourself: Biological Threat Reduction Program

PUBLIC INFORMATION ON THE US EMBASSY WEBSITE!

These are not weapon research labs, which is a FAR CRY and a piece of Russian propaganda that is substantiated by ZERO evidence apart from the fact that Russia says so. If there was such evidence, the Russians should publish photographs and video evidence and show it. It should be quite simple. The rest is all lies and misinformation.

Seems like the dangerous bio labs in Ukraine story is true. Also the nazi Azov batallion is true. Both funded by the pentagon (NATO). So much for the narrative "Putin is the crazy bad guy who invaded without a reason". I don't say what Putin did is good, but he definately had reasons and we were lied to (again) by the western media.

*Facepalm*

Show proof of DANGEROUS bio labs in Ukraine.
Show proof of nazi Azov Batallion in the upper echelons of the Ukrainian government.
Show proof of direct NATO/US funding of Azov.

 

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[MattR82]

It's shocking to see thousands upon thousands of mindless lemmings post about boycotting and threatening companies for not pulling out of Russia - when those companies did exactly that many weeks ago lol.

 

[BizyDad]

I love reading all the people reacting to xeon's obvious trolls. Don't you guys know not to feed the troll?

Thread posters be like...

 

[Cyberthal]

Proof of US-funded Ukraine biolabs:

US Embassy Quietly Scrubs Existence Of US Bioweapon Labs In Ukraine As Putin Orders Military To Seek And Destroy Them

Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered his forces to seek out and destroy US-Deep State bio-laboratories across Ukraine involved in top-

en-volve.com

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501185437901082629

View: https://twitter.com/MFA_China/status/1501185437901082629


The nice explanation is that the USA wanted to keep ex-Soviet WMD engineers employed after Ukrainian independence, so they wouldn't go to Iran.

The "I can read a map" explanation is that the USA wanted to develop illegal bioweapons targeting ethnic Russians, release them via deniable carriers such as bats and birds, and study the results.

US-Funded Biolabs in Ukraine Conducted Research Into Bat Coronavirus, Russian MoD Says

The American authorities previously admitted that Ukraine hosts "biological research facilities", expressing concerns they could come under the control of Russian forces.

sputniknews.com

The US funded the Wuhan lab and the same in Ukraine. Why? The answer is carved in stone.

The Georgia Guidestones and the Globalist Plan to Reduce Humanity to Half a Billion

From the Georgia Guidestones to the the Great Reset: be afraid, be very afraid

stovouno.org

500 million. That sounds like the amount of people that could survive a CME and live comfortably without causing an Anthropocene extinction. Maybe the dolphins were onto something after all.

If you feel lucky, the top 6.5% have nothing to worry about!

I realize this info is tough to come by for those who rely on Google, DuckDuckGo, and MSM, but let's be real, they aren't 6.5 percenters anyway.

 

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[Matt Sun]

*Facepalm*

Show proof of DANGEROUS bio labs in Ukraine.
Show proof of nazi Azov Batallion in the upper echelons of the Ukrainian government.
Show proof of direct NATO/US funding of Azov.

how about a us oficial talking about the biolabs and how it would be dangerous for them to end up un Rusian hands. Look it up. If its just measles research why is it dangerous for the Rusians to take control of it?

Also The I support ukraine media admited the nazi batallion. Really not hard to find if you google even.

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat | Ukraine | The Guardian

<p>The battalion's far-right volunteers' desire to 'bring the fight to Kiev' is a danger to post-conflict stability</p>

amp.theguardian.com

For somebody so shure of his position on the thing you dont research very much, you even posted msnbc videos, thats a real facepalm to me as a source for actual info. The legacy media is pure propaganda at this point, same as Putins media likely.

Anyway probably will just leave this thread since it will only achive confrontation and limited positive if any. We have to agree with black dragon and not talk about the facts.

 

[Kevin88660]

The Rooster (@rooster_ohio) Tweeted:
Things are not going well in Ukraine for Henry Hoeft, the Boogaloo Boy profiled by @DispatchAlerts who promised to fight until “the job was finished.”

https://t.co/4Ci9UKesTa

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503823448665210890

View: https://twitter.com/rooster_ohio/status/1503823448665210890?s=20&t=AUGHXEgZmF5RKCe3Z9LN2w

 

[Kevin88660]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MtEYvtdsfks

 

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[Kevin88660]

It seems that Putin has no intention of having the conflict ended anytime soon.

The demands are quite impossible to be met. Political suicide for Ukraine side to agree.

More likely Putin is planning for a longer term economic and military attrition towards Nato and West for more victories outside Ukraine border.

With maximum inflation pressure now in the world, Kremlin is betting on who will blink first.

If the West back out and retreat, Russia will exert more influence in Eastern Europe (for security buffer) and Middle East (for currency and finance, selling oil in ruble). NATO will be seen dead. Dollar will suffer depreciation as American influence is reduced.

Kremlin’s strongest weapon is exporting inflation.

Quantitative easing only works when cost of daily necessities remains affordable.

West is betting on sanctions will bring economic hardship and political change in Russia.

Kremlin is betting on inflation will exacerbate economic hardship in west and bring political concession from the west.

 

[Silverfox148]

It seems that Putin has no intention of having the conflict ended anytime soon.

The demands are quite impossible to be met. Political suicide for Ukraine side to agree.

More likely Putin is planning for a longer term economic and military attrition towards Nato and West for more victories outside Ukraine border.

With maximum inflation pressure now in the world, Kremlin is betting on who will blink first.

If the West back out and retreat, Russia will exert more influence in Eastern Europe (for security buffer) and Middle East (for currency and finance, selling oil in ruble). NATO will be seen dead. Dollar will suffer depreciation as American influence is reduced.

Kremlin’s strongest weapon is exporting inflation.

Quantitative easing only works when cost of daily necessities remains affordable.

West is betting on sanctions will bring economic hardship and political change in Russia.

Kremlin is betting on inflation will exacerbate economic hardship in west and bring political concession from the west.

This is a very accurate take, I expect the truth lies somewhere near to what you posted. That is the Russian bet.

The whole invasion of Ukraine seems targeted to goad the West/Nato into precisely the actions being taken. That's the part I don't like about the whole situation, it's almost like Putin wants the west to escalate. The part I don't get is why would he martyr Russia to kill U.S hegemony, it's clear both Russia and U.S are operating with much much more intelligence then they are sharing about each others motive. We are being fed this simplistic good/bad argument democracy/non democracy argument which has been going on in since 2001 and has been proven bullshit each time.

If this doesn't go the right way for the U.S it could spell real trouble for the dollar as a reserve currency. The big winner in all of this is China as they know exactly how the U.S will respond to their moves and make no mistake about it , Russia was to a certain extent on the side of the west when it came to China so making them an international pariah for Ukraine to lose all the cooperation on Iran/China/NK just doesn't make sense from an international relations perspectives.

Both sides are making very very strange non proportional moves, the US must be operating with much more intelligence that they are no making public about what the true intentions of this Russian invasion of Ukraine and it most likely has nothing to do with Ukraine, it probably has more to do with big behind the scenes moves(US/China).

 

[Kevin88660]

This is a very accurate take, I expect the truth lies somewhere near to what you posted. That is the Russian bet.

The whole invasion of Ukraine seems targeted to goad the West/Nato into precisely the actions being taken. That's the part I don't like about the whole situation, it's almost like Putin wants the west to escalate. The part I don't get is why would he martyr Russia to kill U.S hegemony, it's clear both Russia and U.S are operating with much much more intelligence then they are sharing about each others motive. We are being fed this simplistic good/bad argument democracy/non democracy argument which has been going on in since 2001 and has been proven bullshit each time.

If this doesn't go the right way for the U.S it could spell real trouble for the dollar as a reserve currency. The big winner in all of this is China as they know exactly how the U.S will respond to their moves and make no mistake about it , Russia was to a certain extent on the side of the west when it came to China so making them an international pariah for Ukraine to lose all the cooperation on Iran/China/NK just doesn't make sense from an international relations perspectives.

Both sides are making very very strange non proportional moves, the US must be operating with much more intelligence that they are no making public about what the true intentions of this Russian invasion of Ukraine and it most likely has nothing to do with Ukraine, it probably has more to do with big behind the scenes moves(US/China).

Ever since Russia backed Assad in 2015 till date, Russia could be trying to replicate petrodollar with Russian Ruble. If Russia can be seen as the strongest guy in the room, with Americans backing off and avoiding confrontation, Russia could have great security influence over Middle east.

Those oil rich middle eastern countries are always fearful of their own neighbor and looking for external protection. If America is seen as "weak" and "coward" they are willing to selling their resources in Ruble in exchange for Russian protection.

In additional to Middle east ambition, Putin always wanted to incorporate back the Russian speaking population back to Russia Federation (without actually annexing the entire countries which is actually a financial and welfare liability). Russia has birth rate issue and is on long term population decline.

With global economy still somewhat paralyzed by Covid, the entire western world deeply polarized by left-right internal politics, and global inflation level getting out of control, Putin and his security advisers probably felt that they would not have a better chance later than now to flip the table.

Russian intelligence probably holds other cards that is not known to the public yet. They could be used further in later stages of escalation to undermine U.S. influence and reputation further.

 

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[basedzoomer]

 

[Strm]

It wasn't because Russia was a bad neighbor

*laughing in Estonian*
yea, they've been great.

 

[Black_Dragon43]

how about a us oficial talking about the biolabs and how it would be dangerous for them to end up un Rusian hands. Look it up. If its just measles research why is it dangerous for the Rusians to take control of it?

Any facility where active biological material and research is carried out is potentially dangerous. There are a lot of safety standards and procedures around such compounds, so of course care should be taken during war.

Just because it's just "measles research", according to you, there should be no safety standards, no protective equipment, no nothing, because hey! it's not dangerous. Smart.

Also The I support ukraine media admited the nazi batallion. Really not hard to find if you google even.

I asked for evidence of Azov in the upper echelons of the Ukrainian Government. Otherwise it's much like the idiots who said Trump is a Proud Boy just because the Proud Boys supported him in specific circumstances.

And to prove just how EMBARRASSING your claims are you provided me with a Guardian article from 2014, where Dmitry, the Azov Batallion member states "President Petro Poroshenko will be killed in a matter of months, Dmitry said, and a dictator will come to power."

So these guys, who evidently want to overthrow the Ukrainian government are also in control of it somehow. Must be nice the fantasy world you and Putin live in.

I'm honestly beginning to think that people are paid by Russian-backed agencies to post such crap, because I really struggle to understand how such incoherent beliefs are possible.

These are also the very same people who will never provide any evidence, nor be open to discuss their beliefs and why they hold them. Like @Marigold who just doesn't believe the media and isn't interested to discuss it, but she has no problem believing outright Russian propaganda and misinformation. So long as it's against Western media, it must be true, right?

For somebody so shure of his position on the thing you dont research very much, you even posted msnbc videos, thats a real facepalm to me as a source for actual info. The legacy media is pure propaganda at this point, same as Putins media likely.

Anyway probably will just leave this thread since it will only achive confrontation and limited positive if any. We have to agree with black dragon and not talk about the facts.

LOL! Here's you... *reads headline* "30 US Biolabs Finally Discovered in Ukraine - You Have Been Lied to Again!", *starts thinking* WOW! They're lying again! Must be true fock meah, they're pulling my leg again!!

WTF!

If you cannot understand why Putin says there are Neonazis in Ukraine, let me tell you. He says it to arouse an instant emotional reaction in OLDER STUPID RUSSIANS who don't know any better, but have memories of Hitler's invasion. It's a way to justify the invasion to his local population, and a very effective one. It's why Russian parents close down the phone when relatives in Ukraine call them, and tell them they're being lied to and deceived.

As a marketer, I can see straight through this. It's pure manipulation.

Between a rich communist/socialist country or a poor and ruined democratic nation, which would you pick? Don't confuse China or Russia's system with North Korea btw.

The ruined democratic nation, because at least I can build my wealth without having to bow down to a czar. It is inconceivable in a Western, democratic nation for your wealth to be taken away from you. Unless, of course, the government gave you that fortune or you think you're god and start fighting with them (see McAfee), thus giving them a reason to chase you down. Even in this latter case, it's much harder for them to get you than if they were an authoritarian communist government.

 

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[Napoolion]

That is quite the slippery slope. Especially deleting the files part. Not very clever and virtually does not help out Ukraine at all.

Not sure how to get any info to Russian parents though even that their son is in war, because seems like they have no fking clue he is even in Ukraine or frankly don't care:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSuIWCbs9VY

 

[Kevin88660]

If you cannot understand why Putin says there are Neonazis in Ukraine, let me tell you. He says it to arouse an instant emotional reaction in OLDER STUPID RUSSIANS who don't know any better, but have memories of Hitler's invasion. It's a way to justify the invasion to his local population, and a very effective one. It's why Russian parents close down the phone when relatives in Ukraine call them, and tell them they're being lied to and deceived.

As a marketer, I can see straight through this. It's pure manipulation.

You have to be really old like 80 plus minimum to have good memory of Hitler’s invasion.

Putin is framing that narrative since the Modern west hates Nazi and regards as almost a taboo, Russia stands on the high morale ground.

Given that for almost half of the current superpower, is non-white ethnicity, it is going to draw a lot of suspicion in the long run if U.S. continues to support to support a neo-nazi related minefield.

Now we already have politicians in Europe questioning why Ukrainians refugee are given special and better treatment compared to Syrian and Afghan. It would be a moral disaster to be seen as giving preferential treatment to European ethnic refugee or central asian and middle eastern.

Putin and his advisors know western internal politics very well and have laid mine fields in advance.

There are Americans who are fed up of spending trillions of dollar in wars and hence they are going to be very suspicious of any mainstream news narrative that ask them to pay for war and send their children to fight abroad. That’s why Putin preferred Trump who is looking to quit any global organisation that keep making U.S. paying money to support. There are also European localists who believed that EU and Nato are undermining their national sovereignty. They are going to be Russia’s “ally” temporarily on this.

 

[Black_Dragon43]

You have to be really old like 80 plus minimum to have good memory of Hitler’s invasion.

Putin is framing that narrative since the Modern west hates Nazi and regards as almost a taboo, Russia stands on the high morale ground.

It’s not just the people who have direct experience with it, it’s also those who were their children, most of whom are parents today. They’ve heard stories about the Nazi invasion and they’ve had it drummed into them - in schools, through their parents and grandparents and so on.

With regards to the second part. If Putin’s narrative is addressed at the West, then it makes little sense, because the West isn’t buying the idea that a country led by a Jewish President is a Nazi country. Also, Nazis aren’t as hated as you’d expect in the West. There are neo Nazis in many European countries, including Austria where a few years ago they almost won the Parliamentary elections.

Given that for almost half of the current superpower, is non-white ethnicity, it is going to draw a lot of suspicion in the long run if U.S. continues to support to support a neo-nazi related minefield.

Sure, but the West doesn’t buy the neo-nazi narrative.

Putin and his advisors know western internal politics very well and have laid mine fields in advance.

There are Americans who are fed up of spending trillions of dollar in wars and hence they are going to be very suspicious of any mainstream news narrative that ask them to pay for war and send their children to fight abroad. That’s why Putin preferred Trump who is looking to quit any global organisation that keep making U.S. paying money to support. There are also European localists who believed that EU and Nato are undermining their national sovereignty. They are going to be Russia’s “ally” temporarily on this.

For sure, but even the European localists like Viktor Orban in Hungary oppose Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, and Viktor Orban is a natural ally and supporter.

What about Putin’s long time friend and ally, Czech President Milos Zeman who just turned against him and condemned Putin on the day of the invasion?

Putin’s friends within the EU are virtually nonexistent now. What you’re saying is a theory, but there are no supporting facts on the ground for it.

Trump, if he was in office, would have tried to profit from the situation, because he’d feel Europe was weak and would do anything to pay him back. So he would have threatened to leave them to Putin, to get some good deals going, and then been more aggressive than Biden was imo towards Putin.

 

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[Napoolion]

You have to be really old like 80 plus minimum to have good memory of Hitler’s invasion.

You have never seen 9th May celebrations in Russia or Eastern Europe before? Victory over Nazis in ww2 is a collective Russian achievement. Every year at 9th May old Russian grandpas come out with their medals and grandkids helping them move in buses and etc. It is of course also a convenient political tool to this day. Calling something nazi can help the people to unite against the common thing. That tool is used in smaller case in West too, especially LGBT left who are saying that everywhere are "literal nazis". No, literal Nazis thankfully died under Berlin.

If you like history btw, check out this though. Soviet Socialism and National socialism, which were both under dictators is really hard to make a difference from each other from historical perspective. I don't think Russia has actually shaken out it's old vibes, since putinism shares a lot of principles from previous system: Putinism - Wikipedia

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXqFgqOviw

 

[Cyberthal]

As Putin explained to the flight attendants on TV, it was either stop Ukraine's NATO drive now, or fight nuclear WW3 when Ukraine expanded its war on ethnic Russians with US backing.

Not everyone can grasp this. Russian flight attendants are an elite bunch.

Indeed, not everyone can read the New York Times, which just admitted the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Why? Because now Putin has all the Ukrainian gestapo's blackmail files on Biden. Time to get out in front of that.

Biden, in turn, has pledged WW3 in his speech. If he burns, everyone burns.

Well, I think it's fitting. Boomers know they'll be hated either way, so they might as well go out with a bang.