The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Thoelt53]

These statements contradict themselves, no? You said the intention was never to prevent people from coming in contact or even have less people die from the disease, but it was to slow the spread so hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

I agree with the hospitals not being overwhelmed part as I currently work in a healthcare facility, but the reasons we don't want hospitals overwhelmed is to have less people die from the disease (which you said was never the intention). Do you see how contradicting it is.

Hospitals being overwhelmed means more deaths because overwhelmed hospitals could mean they don't have enough mechanical ventilators. So someone that could have survived with a mechanical ventilator, nows dies because the hospital doesn't have enough ventilators. I have a friend that is a nurse and thats what they had to do...

Dude it’s like you’re living in March.

Come on and join us in May.

 

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[DeletedUser0287]

Stay home boomer.

I'm actually a millennial, but hey I want to go back to normal as much as the next guy.

Damn, strong conspiracy theories here. I have avoided this thread for a while obviously.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Dude it’s like you’re living in March.

Come on and join us in May.

Have pretty much ignored this whole thread and coronavirus in general, as you can tell. Didn't realize how strong the conspiracy theories got. Dang

 

[James Klymus]

These statements contradict themselves, no? You said the intention was never to prevent people from coming in contact or even have less people die from the disease, but it was to slow the spread so hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

I agree with the hospitals not being overwhelmed part as I currently work in a healthcare facility, but the reasons we don't want hospitals overwhelmed is to have less people die from the disease (which you said was never the intention). Do you see how contradicting it is.

Hospitals being overwhelmed means more deaths because overwhelmed hospitals could mean they don't have enough mechanical ventilators. So someone that could have survived with a mechanical ventilator, nows dies because the hospital doesn't have enough ventilators. I have a friend that is a nurse and thats what they had to do...

In theory, that sounded reasonable (Back in march)

Amid Pandemic, Hospitals Lay Off 1.4M Workers In April

An estimated 1.4 million healthcare workers lost their jobs in April. It's an ironic twist that as the C0VlD-19 pandemic spreads across the country, hospitals aren't making much money.

www.npr.org

In practice, it didn't seem to pan out. And I get it, people panicked and made a bad decision off of flawed data.

https://time.com/5820556/ventilators-C0VlD-19/

Plus at this point the efficacy of ventilators is questionable.

So the argument made sense 2 months ago, when we thought ventilators were key. But now, as hospitals sit empty, and ventilators are possibly not very effective, this theory has proven to be untrue.

This is all great news actually, It's not as bad as we thought

 

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[GIlman]

The data has changed, Fauci and anyone else that hasn’t changed their perspective are idiots. I don’t care how elevated their expert credentials are. Reality is what it is.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Amid Pandemic, Hospitals Lay Off 1.4M Workers In April

An estimated 1.4 million healthcare workers lost their jobs in April. It's an ironic twist that as the C0VlD-19 pandemic spreads across the country, hospitals aren't making much money.

www.npr.org

In practice, it didn't seem to pan out. And I get it, people panicked and made a bad decision off of flawed data.

Yeah, all my friends that work in hospitals not in hot spots said it was completely dead. Lots of them got furloughed. Hot spot places were hiring travelers like crazy though. But this again is also bad, as these travelers (contractors) are much more expensive than normal employee.

 

[AFMKelvin]

I'm actually a millennial, but hey I want to go back to normal as much as the next guy.

Damn, strong conspiracy theories here. I have avoided this thread for a while obviously.

I'm actually a millennial, but hey I want to go back to normal as much as the next guy.

Damn, strong conspiracy theories here. I have avoided this thread for a while obviously.

Anything that contradicts the official narrative is called a conspiracy theory now a days. That's how you silence people by lumping them together with all other wild conspiracy theories.

I prefer alternative story. And the alternative story from that of the official's and "experts" is that they don't know what they're doing. All common sense has been thrown out the window and freedoms have been trampled on because a scary virus is running lose. I know you don't care about my opinion because I have no credentials. You rely on authority figures to tell you what's right or wrong. So here's a video from doctors in California that debunk all the things you hear on the news. This video was taken down from Youtube as soon as it was uploaded.

COVID-19 Briefing: Current Quarantine Approach Wrong Based on Science | Dr Erickson & Dr Massihi Pt1

On April 22, 2020 in Bakersfield, CA Dr. Dan Erikson and Dr. Artin Massihi of Accelerated Urgent Care held a press conference stating that based on science and the data they have personally aggregated as physicians over the last 2 months they stated…

www.bitchute.com

 

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[ChrisV]

These statements contradict themselves, no? You said the intention was never to prevent people from coming in contact or even have less people die from the disease, but it was to slow the spread so hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

I agree with the hospitals not being overwhelmed part as I currently work in a healthcare facility, but the reasons we don't want hospitals overwhelmed is to have less people die from the disease (which you said was never the intention). Do you see how contradicting it is.

Hospitals being overwhelmed means more deaths because overwhelmed hospitals could mean they don't have enough mechanical ventilators. So someone that could have survived with a mechanical ventilator, nows dies because the hospital doesn't have enough ventilators. I have a friend that is a nurse and thats what they had to do...

The problem is that most areas are nowhere near being overwhelmed and the longer it stays suppressed the longer it will take to develop herd immunity.

There are certain areas that benefited from the lockdown (mostly New England,) but it was unnecessary in much of the US.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Anything that contradicts the official narrative is called a conspiracy theory now a days. That's how you silence people by lumping them together with all other wild conspiracy theories.

I prefer alternative story. And the alternative story from that of the official's and "experts" is that they don't know what they're doing. All common sense has been thrown out the window and freedoms have been trampled on because a scary virus is running lose. I know you don't care about my opinion because I have no credentials. You rely on authority figures to tell you what's right or wrong. So here's a video from doctors in California that debunk all the things you hear on the news. This video was taken down from Youtube as soon as it was uploaded.

COVID-19 Briefing: Current Quarantine Approach Wrong Based on Science | Dr Erickson & Dr Massihi Pt1

On April 22, 2020 in Bakersfield, CA Dr. Dan Erikson and Dr. Artin Massihi of Accelerated Urgent Care held a press conference stating that based on science and the data they have personally aggregated as physicians over the last 2 months they stated…

www.bitchute.com

I'm not a person that completely dismisses a person on the presence of credentials or not. I just ignored this whole corona thing for a while thing which is why I had my stance. Yeah, this shutdown should end. But I still think the theories like 5G, microchipping people is still BS.

But anyways...LETS FREE THIS COUNTRY

Edit: The video is actually back on Youtube. Although strong dislike ratio.

 

[AFMKelvin]

I'm not a person that completely dismisses a person on the presence of credentials or not. I just ignored this whole corona thing for a while thing which is why I had my stance. Yeah, this shutdown should end. But I still think the theories like 5G, microchipping people is still BS.

But anyways...LETS FREE THIS COUNTRY

Edit: The video is actually back on Youtube. Although strong dislike ratio.

can you post a link to the video on youtube. Thanks.

 

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[Inimitable]

I'm actually a millennial, but hey I want to go back to normal as much as the next guy.

Damn, strong conspiracy theories here. I have avoided this thread for a while obviously.

The thing is that the hospitals in the vast majority of places didn't become overwhelmed - not even close. Instead, nurses have been told to go home because they didn't have enough patients to care for. So, the reason we were told to stay home didn't pan out and we're still being told to stay home to save lives. No one has come up with a solution to end this virus, so how is staying home saving lives? Whether we go out tomorrow or in six months, the virus is still going to be out there, ready to infect until herd immunity is achieved.

The vaccine, IF it becomes available, won't be available for a long time. We can't stay closed that long - people are suffering mentally, suicides and domestic violence are up, we're looking at facing a major food shortage in the near future, etc.

They couldn't even control the virus when it first started here, and now we have millions of cases. There is no feasible way to prevent it from spreading at this point, and staying home is just kicking the can down the road and prolonging the inevitable.

 

[Tommo]

My barber may or may not have never stopped cutting since the lockdown, and I may or may not have gotten like 4 haircuts since this pandemic started.

He was telling me last time I saw him (on a skype call of course, and not getting a haircut), That his shop may or may not cut up a ton of local police officers and sheriffs. They don't give a F*ck, they just want a haircut.

If it's good enough for Lori Lightfoot, it's good enough for me. I do , after all, take my personal hygiene very seriously

Nice haircut James

 

[Xeon]

All countries should just push for the post offices, mailing, shipping and logistics services to get back to normal so that goods can move fast.

This is 2020. Entire national postal services going down because of Covid19 is not acceptable unless a meteor is going to hit earth.

Ain't nobody got time for this stuff.

 

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[DeletedUser0287]

The thing is that the hospitals in the vast majority of places didn't become overwhelmed - not even close. Instead, nurses have been told to go home because they didn't have enough patients to care for. So, the reason we were told to stay home didn't pan out and we're still being told to stay home to save lives. No one has come up with a solution to end this virus, so how is staying home saving lives? Whether we go out tomorrow or in six months, the virus is still going to be out there, ready to infect until herd immunity is achieved.

The vaccine, IF it becomes available, won't be available for a long time. We can't stay closed that long - people are suffering mentally, suicides and domestic violence are up, we're looking at facing a major food shortage in the near future, etc.

They couldn't even control the virus when it first started here, and now we have millions of cases. There is no feasible way to prevent it from spreading at this point, and staying home is just kicking the can down the road and prolonging the inevitable.

Ok yeah, but if we open all the gates. Healthcare systems can’t handle it. I’m just talking about the hot spots. Aka pretty much NY. I know that most healthcare workers got sent home as the majority of the people I know are in healthcare, like I said above. They all got furloughed and the ones that didn’t said their hospitals are dead empty.

 

[Andreas Thiel]

In Germany the narrative has pretty much evolved to stress the long term (potentially permanent) damage - specially to the lungs.

Does anybody have some facts / links to studies that give an idea of how serious that problem actually is?

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

@Andreas Thiel
Gilman has a podcast about stroke and pulmonary embolism related to C0VlD-19 (Google Podcast)

 

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[Kak]

Have pretty much ignored this whole thread and coronavirus in general, as you can tell. Didn't realize how strong the conspiracy theories got. Dang

Such as?

Dismissing legitimate concerns as “conspiracy theory” doesn’t magically make it so.

 

[ChrisV]

@Rivoli - is there something funny.

Such as?

Dismissing legitimate concerns as “conspiracy theory” doesn’t magically make it so.

There was definitely a blend of legitimate concerns and complete conspiracy theories here.

 

[YanC]

According to this Spanish study (table on page 8) on 60.000 workers, those considered essential, who kept going out, have a lower seroprevalence rate to COVID19 antibodies, than those non essential who stayed under lockdown.

That would mean the virus spread more among those under lockdown. Interesting...

 

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[Thoelt53]

I'm not hopeful that Illinois will follow suit, cause they sure do need that fed money to bail them selves out of decades of mismanagement. But hey, Hopefully gaultier pritzker backs down too

Ha! Better chance Gavin Newsom backs down first.

@Rivoli - is there something funny.

There was definitely a blend of legitimate concerns and complete conspiracy theories here.

Aside from the 5G bullshit most of the “conspiracy theories” here have more than some merit. Unless there is other lizard people crap I missed.

 

[Vigilante]

There was definitely a blend of legitimate concerns and complete conspiracy theories here.

We forgive you.

 

[David Harrison]

Here's an update of "real" reporting in the UK if anyone's interested.
Coming to a country near YOU!

UK Column News - 11th May 2020

www.ukcolumn.org

 

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[Thoelt53]

Here what the cure looks like:




You heard it here first. More people in the US have lost their jobs in TWO MONTHS than will EVER die from C0VlD-19 WORLDWIDE.

Fear not, the government will pay you to stay home. In exchange for this payment the government only asks that you get your immunity papers, the vaccine, and allow it to track your movement and who you associate with. Be sure to not congregate with like-minded individuals, as that is forbidden by the New Normal. Oh, and the government also asks that you do not rely on information from untrusted sources. According to the New Normal, the only sources providing trustworthy information are alphabet agencies. Remember, stay home and stay safe. With the New Normal, we are all in this together.

Sounds like a dystopian novel or perhaps a “conspiracy theory.”

Is it still a theory when you can watch it happen right in front of you?

 

[Thoelt53]

Trump to mobilize military to distribute vaccine:

Trump says he would mobilize military to distribute coronavirus vaccine when it's ready

The president expects a vaccine to be available by the end of the year, a much shorter timeline than most experts suggest.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Here what the cure looks like:


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You heard it here first. More people in the US have lost their jobs in TWO MONTHS than will EVER die from C0VlD-19 WORLDWIDE.

Losing your job is not the same as death...

 

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[DayIFly]

Losing your job is not the same as death...

There is a correlation between suicide rate and unemployment rate. If this is of interest to you, you can find various studies and then make your own conclusions based on the statistical data therein.

Fear not, the government will pay you to stay home. In exchange for this payment the government only asks that you get your immunity papers, the vaccine, and allow it to track your movement and who you associate with.

And then in the end, they'll also ask you, and/or your children, to pay back all of this money, with interest of course. Look at the FED's balance sheet from the last 2 months.

 

[Thoelt53]

Losing your job is not the same as death...

No way! F*ck, I was worried they were one in the same.

Is that all you took away from my post?

Your lack of effort to read and comprehend shows in your posts as well.

Don’t worry though, you’ll have plenty of time to think after the economy is totally destroyed, and the only thing left is thought and discussion without the distractions of modern life. Oh, and hunger, illness and suffering. You’ll have those too.

 

[Bekit]

In Germany the narrative has pretty much evolved to stress the long term (potentially permanent) damage - specially to the lungs.

Does anybody have some facts / links to studies that give an idea of how serious that problem actually is?

Here are a couple of links...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article...-some-patients-may-suffer-lasting-lung-damage

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

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[AFMKelvin]

There is a correlation between suicide rate and unemployment rate. If this is of interest to you, you can find various studies and then make your own conclusions based on the statistical data therein.


And then in the end, they'll also ask you, and/or your children, to pay back all of this money, with interest of course. Look at the FED's balance sheet from the last 2 months.

Suicide rates have increase and so has child abuse. They are been abused mentally, physically and sexually from frustrated parents that can't handle their kids not going to school. Domestic abuse has also increased, largely for women but some man too. All the abuses that have happened during lock down have life long effects.

Add to that people dying from other illnesses at home because they're too scare to go to the doctor. Society has gone down the drain over a virus that doesn't kill that many people. We don't even know the full extent of the economic collapse either. But thousands of businesses will never open their doors again. That means millions of people unemployed even after full reopening of businesses. And not to mention all the money that tax payers will have to pay back to the government after they spent billions of dollars in stimulus checks for companies and citizens.

And we're so focused about our own country that we forget about all the other nations. Developing countries don't have money for their citizens yet they still follow lock downs set forth by first world nations. People are starving in third world countries because over there a days work is a days meal. They have no stimulus checks or unemployment to keep them afloat. That means cheap labor won't be so cheap anymore.

 

[Thoelt53]

“
“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.” — Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
To Thomas Jefferson, the fulcrum between the people and the government they have elected was fear. He argued succinctly that the government would only respect liberty if it feared losing power. Today, the relationship between people and government is power. Does the government have the power to tell us how to make personal choices, or do we have the power to tell the government to take a hike?
Stated differently, does the government work for us or do we work for the government?
Jefferson’s answer to that question in 1801, the year he became president, was that the government worked for us. Today, unfortunately, this same question has two answers — a functional one and a formal one. One would stumble answering this question if one looked only at how some state governors are treating the people for whom they claim to be working. One needs to look as well at the nature of government in a free society.

Six months ago, no one could have imagined where we are in America today. Then, if anyone had suggested that the governors of all 50 states, in varying degrees of severity, would be using police to interfere with personal choices — choices that we and our forbearers have all made without giving a second thought to the preferences of the government — no one would have believed it.”

Continued in link:

A Nation of Sheep - LewRockwell

Shop all books by Judge Napolitano “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.” — Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) To Thomas Jefferson, the fulcrum between the people and the government they have elected was fear. He argued...

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