The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Rabby]

That might have been what he meant to say, but that's certainly not what he said.

He said: "If they are opposing the DoJ because they are opposed to the Trump admin, then there is no reason to believe such constitutional assaults won't be undertaken by the Biden administration in the very near future."

What you said is that opposing Trump and caring about the Constitution are uncorrelated. (I agree with this.)

What he said is that opposing Trump is indication ("no reason to believe...won't...") that they may assault on the Constitution later. In other words, that there's a positive correlation.

Those are very different things.

Btw, if he agreed with you that there was no correlation, then his original argument wouldn't have made sense.

I'm not very smart when it comes to most things, but logic is one thing I'm pretty good at...

Well I'm not even good at logic, so you have me at a terrible disadvantage. I'm passable at conjecture, sometimes, on days that start with the letter "T." But even that is unreliable.

I was talking about this:

The implication of this statement is that the democrats are white knights of the constitution, standing up for our rights to the tyrannical Trump administration.

This is obviously contrary to reality, which is what I was pointing out.

Sure, the democrats are going to oppose it. But not because they are pro constitution. It will be because they are anti Trump.

You asked "who cares why they oppose it?" My only point was that "why" they oppose it is indeed relevant. If they opposed "it" because they're nice people who like federalism and liberty, and felt that "it" went against the spirit of federalism and liberty as documented in the Constitution, then we have nothing to worry about down the line. If they take executive power, they will not use it to restrict liberty.

But if they're not opposing "it" because of their alignment with the nation's documented values, but are instead opposing it just to be contrary to another faction's wishes and popularity, then the risk still exists that when their faction gains greater power they will stop opposing "it" and other things that theoretically restrict liberty, and instead take their own crack at redefining the rights of citizens.

So we care why someone opposes "it" because that tells us whether or not we can conjecture that the same someone will oppose, or propose, similar "its" later on.

Edit: I think we're reading the spirit of the same comment a different way. For all I know I'm interpreting it wrong, but I don't read it as meaning "Trump is the embodiment of Constitutional defense." I just read it as "there's no reason to believe that someone who is contrary to Trump won't later try to do the same thing they're being contrary about today."

 

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[GPM]

Hooray government and politics will save us all!

I just got back from the international Airport at what is probably the 3rd largest airport in Canada. We were literally the only people there who were there and not working. The only ones.

 

[ChrisV]

These states are ordering residents to stay home or shelter in place. What does that mean?

New York stay-at-home 'PAUSE' plan
Illinois stay-at-home order
Connecticut stay-at-home order
Oregon stay-at-home order
New Jersey stay-at-home order
Pennsylvania closes nonessential businesses

 

[Bearcorp]

Australia’s closed the borders, 3 States in Australia have closed their borders between other states, 3 (I think) have announced school closures and all non essential business closures starting this Tuesday. We’re just getting started Down Under.

 

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[Nagnotme]

Some states in Australia (Vic, NSW, ACT at this stage) to shut down schools early for school holidays and non-essential businesses. More information tomorrow. Some states have boarders closed requiring 14 days quarantine.
214 new cases today.
Number of cases double every 3 days they said on the news tonight. Holy sh!t, what a concept! Can't find that information anywhere else .... (Sarcasm).

A lot of jobs/hours about to be lost Much like i have read in other countries - namely following the situation in the U.S in which this is a great resource, thank you all.
I work in healthcare so i am feeling lucky for that. Very hard mentally to grasp the full impact this will have long term..... Health and economy wise.

*What Bearcorp said lol

 

[Saavedra]

I am a member on a site/app called NextDoor. It's a neighborhood community app for neighbors to communicate. I came across this post from someone in our neighborhood:

Some of the responses:



This is the mentality that has brought about the strict shut down orders here in CA, and may even result in marshal law at some point. It just goes to show you that people really don't truly understand what a pandemic is, or they can't comprehend what can happen if they don't do their part to try and fight one. This is all just a stupid, ridiculous inconvenience to them that they'll roll their eyes over and make jokes about with others.

We had to turn down an invite from some other parents this morning to bring our kids out to the lake today for some "social distancing" fun. I suppose many won't be able to accept it unless people they know are in the hospital. It won't be real until our local hospitals are overwhelmed. It feels like those who are trying to do their part are at the mercy of those with the cavalier attitudes. It's times like this that you learn a lot about the character of those around you.

That guy should have stayed home, and so should all >60 years old,he is risking the life of his other fellow boomers. when will boomers take responsibility for anything they do?

kids cant even transfer the disease, they are so healthy and fresh their immune system knocks it out in minutes. they should not be responsible for the bad behavior of a few boomers unwilling to stay at home and do some phone calls to get help.


see, it is easy to argue emotionally from the other side as well.

 

[Kshatriya]

1. Finally, in response to the call of Indian Prime Minister, the nation has been shut off for at least a day... 1.3 billion people!

Here's my town:

2. This afternoon, the Railway Minister has announced that the railway's passenger services are going to be shut down until March 31, 2020, and ensured they'll take actions to refund the fares in a hassle-free manner. During the halt of trains, about 54,000 coaches will be sanitized.

As businessmen, what we can take out of this, is its brilliant planning and beautiful execution. First, ask people to stay home, and then, once they are home, cancel the trains that have not yet commenced. For the commenced passengers, adequate arrangements have been made at the destination and during the travel. So that nobody is stuck at railway stations.


3. International Commercial Passenger planes have already been banned from today, as announced earlier.

 

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[tpf]

Just thought I'd write about what it's been like self-isolating with 2 children. We're in the UK and have been in isolation since last Friday, so less than a week left to go

Our eldest son, who's 11, has probably had corona virus. He's had all the symptoms: high temperature, cough, head aches and pains in his body. At one point all he could do was sit and cough. His breathing has been OK though, so we've not contacted the NHS as they are very busy right now.

The rest of us may have it or have had it. Our youngest, who's 3, has been under the weather with a cough. He's been napping in the afternoons and insisting his mum is within a few meters of him. And he's been demanding breast feeding. This might be stress though as our routine has altered so much.

My wife may have corona virus, she's under the weather with cold like symptoms and is napping in bed right now...

We've kept to a routine of indoors in the morning, and taking the boys out to somewhere out of the way like a woodland in the afternoons. 3 year olds are like dogs and need walking regularly.

We've done the usual parent thing of keeping several treats in reserve for when needed. We've done a film night with popcorn etc. Our eldest now has his own mobile phone. Ordered Domino's pizza one night, and had pancakes another. Our internet connection is spotty so the eldest hasn't been able to play his favourite fighter pilot game as much. I've downloaded a war strategy game for him on the laptop and have an Xbox in reserve. The schools here are now closed and he has a school 'work from home' pack so that will also keep him busy.

The 3 year old has needed reassuring and time with us, which is easy enough. Lots of playing at being Peter Pan and Captain Hook, which has been fun and a great distraction from everything.

The toughest thing has been sleep. Our eldest rejected the cough medicine we had, because it's not blackberry flavour. No one got sleep that night. Luckily my mum was able to get some for us. Even with it he's still regularly waking in the night and shouting out or coughing, waking us.

In some ways it feels like the UK is unsettled right now, but over the next week it will hopefully calm. Having to be at home right now might not be a bad thing.

 

[AA1980]

Just thought I'd write about what it's been like self-isolating with 2 children. We're in the UK and have been in isolation since last Friday, so less than a week left to go

Our eldest son, who's 11, has probably had corona virus. He's had all the symptoms: high temperature, cough, head aches and pains in his body. At one point all he could do was sit and cough. His breathing has been OK though, so we've not contacted the NHS as they are very busy right now.

The rest of us may have it or have had it. Our youngest, who's 3, has been under the weather with a cough. He's been napping in the afternoons and insisting his mum is within a few meters of him. And he's been demanding breast feeding. This might be stress though as our routine has altered so much.

My wife may have corona virus, she's under the weather with cold like symptoms and is napping in bed right now...

We've kept to a routine of indoors in the morning, and taking the boys out to somewhere out of the way like a woodland in the afternoons. 3 year olds are like dogs and need walking regularly.

We've done the usual parent thing of keeping several treats in reserve for when needed. We've done a film night with popcorn etc. Our eldest now has his own mobile phone. Ordered Domino's pizza one night, and had pancakes another. Our internet connection is spotty so the eldest hasn't been able to play his favourite fighter pilot game as much. I've downloaded a war strategy game for him on the laptop and have an Xbox in reserve. The schools here are now closed and he has a school 'work from home' pack so that will also keep him busy.

The 3 year old has needed reassuring and time with us, which is easy enough. Lots of playing at being Peter Pan and Captain Hook, which has been fun and a great distraction from everything.

The toughest thing has been sleep. Our eldest rejected the cough medicine we had, because it's not blackberry flavour. No one got sleep that night. Luckily my mum was able to get some for us. Even with it he's still regularly waking in the night and shouting out or coughing, waking us.

In some ways it feels like the UK is unsettled right now, but over the next week it will hopefully calm. Having to be at home right now might not be a bad thing.

Stay strong.

Things have been challenging here too. My wife, son (6 yo), and I have been in the house, more or less, non stop over the past week.

I’m working from home, and since I’m in the institutional investment consulting business, it’s been doubly tough, having difficult conversations with clients about the state of the stock market.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

I've read multiple articles about this, and others have said it here too - the end game is to try and keep the initial spread lower in the beginning so that it doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system, which would result in more loss of life. It won't necessarily prevent people from getting it, it will just delay it over time, allowing the heathcare system to keep up. Google the term "flatten the curve" and you'll get all of the info you need on it.

So what is the time frame on the "flatten the curve" thing? It sounds like hospitals are already getting overwhelmed. Is staying home the new normal? Right now the 2 ultimate outcomes that I see are that someone finds a cure for this thing, or it takes its course and kills everyone who is susceptible to it.

@Ludachris I'm not just asking you these questions per se, just thinking out loud about these things, since I hadn't considered these ideas until my dad brought them up.

 

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[c_morris]

Our eldest son, who's 11, has probably had corona virus. He's had all the symptoms: high temperature, cough, head aches and pains in his body.

It could be the flu. My 15 yr old daughter had the same symptoms and we figured it was the flu, based on the body pain. Her's was in her legs and I read that it was common with the flu. She was basically out of commission for a week, which raised our suspicions. I've never had a flu that long. We did some research and concluded that the flu was the most likely cause.

This was this last week of February. At the time, C0VlD-19 threat here was "low" according to the Canadian government. The rest of us carried about our business:

I traveled to Toronto and back 3 times.​

I work in an office with 3000 people.​

I attended 2 lacrosse games with a crowd of 8000+.​

3 members of the family work in restaurants.​

​

So there was lots of person to person contact in the last 4 weeks and no C0VlD-19 outbreak.

I'm not saying you shouldn't take it seriously. Obviously do what you have to do to take care of the family. Just saying that the flu is still pretty common and it doesn't stop just because there's a new virus in town.

 

[Tommo]

Anyone else noticing a reset in dopamine levels/feeling way more gratitude?

Not to sound cheesy but I catch myself really enjoying simple things and just feeling really good. Last night I was thinking how comfy my couch was for like 5 minutes haha.

I know there is a lot wrong right now but there is so much to be happy and grateful about also - we might be all stuck inside but we still live better than 99.99% of people who ever lived.

I think the last year before this I had been kinda rushing around and not really taking in a lot of stuff. Slowing down and having to focus on the day to day has been really helpful and enjoyable. I have been sleeping some of my best sleeps ever also.

I'd be interested to see if anyone else is feeling similar.

Yes Fox, my wife and I we play cards,engage in more discussions about the possible future of the world and play with the puppy more. Oh and I am reading all the books I have sooner than expected. I know you will get to see you Father and do the road trip, live throws googlies(curve balls) and we reassess what matters in life. Your lovely post was moving and I know people worldwide are ready for a reboot on life and I mean all generations.

 

[tpf]

It could be the flu. My 15 yr old daughter had the same symptoms and we figured it was the flu, based on the body pain. Her's was in her legs and I read that it was common with the flu. She was basically out of commission for a week, which raised our suspicions. I've never had a flu that long. We did some research and concluded that the flu was the most likely cause.

This was this last week of February. At the time, C0VlD-19 threat here was "low" according to the Canadian government. The rest of us carried about our business:

I traveled to Toronto and back 3 times.​

I work in an office with 3000 people.​

I attended 2 lacrosse games with a crowd of 8000+.​

3 members of the family work in restaurants.​

​

So there was lots of person to person contact in the last 4 weeks and no C0VlD-19 outbreak.

I'm not saying you shouldn't take it seriously. Obviously do what you have to do to take care of the family. Just saying that the flu is still pretty common and it doesn't stop just because there's a new virus in town.

It could well be flu, maybe I should have written possibly instead of probably.

It would be good to know either way, but the testing in the UK is only for hospital admissions right now.

If / when they get this test for checking if you've had it sorted out then we'll know.

 

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[Ernman]

So I brought it up to some coworkers and I was the only person that formed my own group, a black dude, turban guy and me along with a couple of other white people. We were the only group that was a mixed ethnic background. Everyone else that sat with eachother was all the same race.

I brought these people together and we ate lunch with each other and shit talked about how much we hate our job. Key factor being we shared something in common, hating our job.

Hopefully I didn't offend the Muslim sitting beside me while enjoying my egg and bacon lunch.

Sometimes all ya need is something in common.

Sometimes all it takes is one person to make a huge difference.

 

[Ernman]

I am reading scattered reports in a local chat group of random looting by single people/small groups (liquor stores, pharmacies, etc.). Minimal police presence right now, and I'm sure they've got other things to deal with, but some unscrupulous people are taking advantage of it.

There's always the scum of society that will do that.

 

[Tommo]

Every disaster is an opportunity to centralize government in general, and restrict individual rights. This one won't be any different. They'll try to pass the ban on encryption (in Congress now), and maybe they'll create a new "Department of Medical Security" that inspects people the way the TSA microwaves and molests you when traveling through the airport, but even more invasive. The solution to all this is to lobby on your own behalf when you can, support one or more think/policy tanks that you agree with, and not just let it go. I hope I'm not crossing the political line by posting this, but it's a non-partisan issue. Enjoy liberty? Don't cave. Politicians will always take advantage of disasters and the end result will be that you are less free. They will have "solved a problem," and they'll glorify themselves taking credit for your subjugation. Pretty simple historical lesson, repeated thousands of times in written history. So, expect it along with any other consequences of the pandemic, and be prepared to work against it like anything else about the pandemic.

Damn I wish I was as eloquent as you to write that Rabby, us folk who believe this have a hard time articulating sometimes and I am normally good with words but I am happy to have Tabby and others express our self autonomy feelings.

 

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[Ernman]

F*ck racists AND F*ck governments who try to deflect blame instead of accepting responsibility, in this case, both the Chinese Communist government and the US federal government.

I couldn't agree more! It never ceases to amaze me how a species so gifted with intellectual capacity, can be so stupid sometimes.

 

[Ernman]

Every disaster is an opportunity to centralize government in general, and restrict individual rights. This one won't be any different. They'll try to pass the ban on encryption (in Congress now), and maybe they'll create a new "Department of Medical Security" that inspects people the way the TSA microwaves and molests you when traveling through the airport, but even more invasive. The solution to all this is to lobby on your own behalf when you can, support one or more think/policy tanks that you agree with, and not just let it go. I hope I'm not crossing the political line by posting this, but it's a non-partisan issue. Enjoy liberty? Don't cave. Politicians will always take advantage of disasters and the end result will be that you are less free. They will have "solved a problem," and they'll glorify themselves taking credit for your subjugation. Pretty simple historical lesson, repeated thousands of times in written history. So, expect it along with any other consequences of the pandemic, and be prepared to work against it like anything else about the pandemic.

This isn't always easy and sometimes you'll even question yourself. Why wouldn't we want a system to defend us against the spread of a deadly virus? This is only a temporary thing, until the crisis is resolved...but then it never goes away. Good honest, caring, people doing what they believe is best for the greater good - with unfortunate long lasting negative consequences not foreseen at the time. Add to that the evil, conniving, power hungry who know damned well what they are doing and coopt the fool hardy or ignorant. Fortunately, in many societies, we've gotten better at questioning and supporting those who question. If you questioned locking up Japanese Americans at the start of WWII you were a sympathizer and likely locked up as well. Now, our media - OMG, not the hated media - is out there all the time questioning and challenging government over reach. @Rabby is right - we need to do our part to protect our freedoms least we become like those in so many movies subjugated by the very governments we've put in place.

 

[c4n]

Italy is closing down all non-essential factories:

Italy closes all nonessential factories to halt spread of coronavirus

Supermarkets, pharmacies, banks, post offices and public transport will still function, PM Giuseppe Conte says.

www.politico.eu

They had almost 800 deaths yesterday.

 

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[Ernman]

This is terrifying...

DOJ Wants to Suspend Certain Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

The Department of Justice has secretly asked Congress for the ability to detain arrested people "indefinitely" in addition to other powers.

www.rollingstone.com

This should scare the bejesus out of any U.S. citizen regardless of party affiliation.

 

[GIlman]

Just thought I'd write about what it's been like self-isolating with 2 children. We're in the UK and have been in isolation since last Friday, so less than a week left to go

Our eldest son, who's 11, has probably had corona virus. He's had all the symptoms: high temperature, cough, head aches and pains in his body. At one point all he could do was sit and cough. His breathing has been OK though, so we've not contacted the NHS as they are very busy right now.

The rest of us may have it or have had it. Our youngest, who's 3, has been under the weather with a cough. He's been napping in the afternoons and insisting his mum is within a few meters of him. And he's been demanding breast feeding. This might be stress though as our routine has altered so much.

My wife may have corona virus, she's under the weather with cold like symptoms and is napping in bed right now...

We've kept to a routine of indoors in the morning, and taking the boys out to somewhere out of the way like a woodland in the afternoons. 3 year olds are like dogs and need walking regularly.

We've done the usual parent thing of keeping several treats in reserve for when needed. We've done a film night with popcorn etc. Our eldest now has his own mobile phone. Ordered Domino's pizza one night, and had pancakes another. Our internet connection is spotty so the eldest hasn't been able to play his favourite fighter pilot game as much. I've downloaded a war strategy game for him on the laptop and have an Xbox in reserve. The schools here are now closed and he has a school 'work from home' pack so that will also keep him busy.

The 3 year old has needed reassuring and time with us, which is easy enough. Lots of playing at being Peter Pan and Captain Hook, which has been fun and a great distraction from everything.

The toughest thing has been sleep. Our eldest rejected the cough medicine we had, because it's not blackberry flavour. No one got sleep that night. Luckily my mum was able to get some for us. Even with it he's still regularly waking in the night and shouting out or coughing, waking us.

In some ways it feels like the UK is unsettled right now, but over the next week it will hopefully calm. Having to be at home right now might not be a bad thing.

I really glad you all are doing well. But if possible I would get tested. Here is my reason why. Because if you all test positive now, once you recover you should be able to have peace of mind that you are now immune from covid. There are lots of things that make people sick, so you al could have something else. At the moment we don’t have much ability to test if someone is immune, we can only routinely test if someone has a current viral infection.

EDIT: There are serology tests in the works that will be able to test people to see if they have been previously infected and are now immune. This will be very useful but the timeline when this will be available is unknown. At this time at least knowing you had the infection, because you tested positive while you are sick, is very useful so you know you are immune.

 

[tpf]

I really glad you all are doing well. But if possible I would get tested. Here is my reason why. Because if you all test positive now, once you recover you should be able to have peace of mind that you are now immune from covid. There are lots of things that make people sick, so you al could have something else. At the moment we don’t have much ability to test if someone is immune, we can only routinely test if someone has a current viral infection.

I would love to get tested, for exactly the reason you gave, but here in the UK I don't think its possible unless you're a hospital admission.

Last I heard from the NHS staff I know was that even they aren't being tested for it, which is crazy. But the situation is changing all the time and they are working on both adding more testing capacity and a retrospective test.

We're holding up fine, please no one worry about us. I just wanted to post a little about what it's been like.

 

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[GuestUser4aMPs1]

People thinking there's gonna be a national lockdown

 

[JAJT]

Read/saw some scary things recently. Thought I'd share just to show how serious I think this is:

Inside an Italian Hospital:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkbv_WQtn0&feature=youtu.be


Terrible first hand account from medical worker: A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From C0VlD-19 — Even in His Young Patients — ProPublica

Selected Quotes:

“I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

"It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.

“When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

“But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.

 

[Ludachris]

kids cant even transfer the disease, they are so healthy and fresh their immune system knocks it out in minutes. they should not be responsible for the bad behavior of a few boomers unwilling to stay at home and do some phone calls to get help.

LOL, right. It would be funny to read those statements, since that hasn't been proven to be accurate so far. What has been widely accepted is that people with little or no symptoms have been found to spread the virus, and that the only true way to limit/slow the transmission and flatten the curve is for everyone to limit contact with others - everyone, not just older people.

The point was, it's sad that a senior citizen in our local neighborhood tried to bring up a concern in a neighborhood app, with the intent of trying to be a responsible voice, and they're getting trolled for it with a-hole comments. I realize that this is the society we live in today, but it's really sad and disappointing to see it play out. In the past, we've watched our country come together in a time of crisis, not so much today, which is pretty disheartening.

 

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[GIlman]

Read/saw some scary things recently. Thought I'd share just to show how serious I think this is:

Inside an Italian Hospital:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfkbv_WQtn0&feature=youtu.be


Terrible first hand account from medical worker: A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From C0VlD-19 — Even in His Young Patients — ProPublica

Selected Quotes:

“I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

"It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.

“When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

“But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.

Thanks for posting that. These are the same reports I was hearing out of Italy a month ago, and why I have been so aggressive in this thread batting down posts minimizing the risks of this disease.

This disease is extremely dangerous to a significant number of people at all ages. We are just at the tip at the moment. Looking at the numbers in New York it’s really terrifying how widespread it is there. The more strained the hospitals get you are seeing much higher death rates in young people that could otherwise survive. People choose to focus on rosy #’s from places that have been aggressive in containment, which we unfortunately have not.

New York alone is rapidly approaching Italy’s total #’s. Granted NY may be testing more than Italy so they are reporting lower #’s. But all the people close to me that are still in denial, I tell them to watch NYC over the next 10-14 days. It will be obvious.

also, yes I know Italy has lots more deaths than NYC, but that is because this illness has about a 3 week fuse before people really get in trouble. Many are infected in NY that will get sick, just not enough time has passed yet.

here is an early paper I read that really was my aha moment this was real.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

 

[Timmy C]

I worry about my brother who is my age not taking this seriously enough. I fear for his life he is a year younger than me 29 years old and is a bad asthmatic.

I try to get through to him, seems pointless.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Sen. Rand Paul tests positive for coronavirus

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., has tested positive for coronavirus. He is the first known U.S. senator to test positive.

www.cnbc.com

Chancellor Angela Merkel in quarantine after contact with doctor who tested positive for coronavirus

Merkel will be tested regularly over the coming days and will continue to conduct her duties as chancellor from home, her spokesperson said.

www.cnbc.com

 

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[Tossek]

You are now in most German states not allowed to gather more than 2 people at one place to reduce spreading. Right now, the medical system is holding and we are importing some French patients into our border hospitals to help out.

Taking a walk is really strange. There are just a few people outside and the moment you see someone, they change the street side or turn into a side street. 95% of all stores are closed, just the very basic discounters and super markets are open.

 

[ChrisV]

I love Dr. Fauci. He’s a national treasure right now.