The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[David Fitz]

I recently started reading up about the Spanish Flu in 1918 and if 1 fifth of the world got infected with terrible health care back then and lack of communication, I have a feeling this will all be fine in a few weeks.

I just think all countries need a strict isolation period which isn't happening.

 

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[sonny_1080]

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Check that shit out! Always took Joe Rogan as a dumb meathead so I never gave his podcast a chance... THEN I WATCHED THIS...

I hope you guys find it valuable.

 

[sonny_1080]

Italy announces all shops except pharmacies and food outlets to CLOSE

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced the latest wave of restrictions in a dramatic appeal to the nation that came as the country of 60 million battles its biggest crisis in generations.

trib.al

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Yikes. (I'm not familiar with NYDN so I can't give any insight to credibility.)

Child who got Rudy Gobert’s autograph tests positive for coronavirus: report

An elementary school student in Rhode Island tested positive for the coronavirus after getting an autograph from Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert, officials told NBC10. The student reportedly attended …

www.nydailynews.com

 

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[Ernman]

lean on the entire spectrum, so much so, I've been ostracized from all parties.

I can't say I've been ostracized - they're all happy to take my money - but, like you, I just don't fit. Makes me wish we had a viable third party in the U.S. Could a centrist party be successful if some wealthy folks got behind it?

 

[Vigilante]

I heard an audio recording today of someone with supposed INSIDERS Pentagon information. It's not vet-table enough for me to even post it here, but if what I heard in this recording is true, there's a possibility of an Italy-type martial law in the United States within the next few weeks. It kind of makes sense though, and most of the largest corporations in the United States are on board. Kind of like ripping the band-aid off quickly - contain it, anyone who would come out of the back side of the quarantine period sick would be treated, but it would be an easy way to isolate it and keep it from spreading further.

 

[ChrisV]

No matter how he handles it, make no mistake, he will be crucified. The media and their sycophants will make sure of it.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm so tired of the constant partisan nonsense in this country. Many of us have loved ones who are actually in danger, and pointing fingers is the best use of our mental energy? I see these posts on Twitter just trying to find anything to be critical about.

Let's face it: almost nobody in the country was taking this seriously a few weeks ago. And we want to blame the government for taking it exactly as seriously as we did? I'll admit it... I didn't take it seriously a few weeks back. How many people want to admit the same? I mean we can even rewind this thread to the beginning and we can see our own reactions.. it's all here. 6 weeks ago we were all making Corona Beer jokes. The first page of this very thread is basically jokes, with the exception of @ChickenHawk 's and OPs posts. Most of us didn't take this seriously, myself included. Then we want to knock the president for not having a superhuman ability to predict this thing.

I've had my gripes with Trump but whatever.. I have family members who if they get sick, they likely won't make it through this. It's stressful. This guy just opened up 50 billion dollars in FEMA aid that will directly help protect you and your families. Whatever the past is, I think we're doing a very good job at handling this and let's just figure out what the next steps are.

 

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[msufan]

I heard an audio recording today of someone with supposed INSIDERS Pentagon information. It's not vet-table enough for me to even post it here, but if what I heard in this recording is true, there's a possibility of an Italy-type martial law in the United States within the next few weeks. It kind of makes sense though, and most of the largest corporations in the United States are on board. Kind of like ripping the band-aid off quickly - contain it, anyone who would come out of the back side of the quarantine period sick would be treated, but it would be an easy way to isolate it and keep it from spreading further.

I think there will definitely be tighter measures forthcoming. And it's inevitable that confirmed cases in the US will continue to skyrocket for the next 1-2 weeks, since there were no preventative measures in place up until the past couple of days and testing has been minimal to this point.

I urge everyone on here to stock up on essentials (within reason) while you still can.

 

[• nikita •]

I recently started reading up about the Spanish Flu in 1918 and if 1 fifth of the world got infected with terrible health care back then and lack of communication, I have a feeling this will all be fine in a few weeks.

I just think all countries need a strict isolation period which isn't happening.

The Spanish flu affected those with strong immune systems which is terrifying. But the advantage they had then was the world wasn't as connected - less travel.

It will be over soon. It's a once-in-a-generation thing but it's not the end of the world.

 

[sonny_1080]

$100 says riots within 3 months

Just kidding... kind of

From what I’ve researched... this isn’t gonna be like a few weeks thing... pretty sure we’re looking at a few months kind of a thing.

I agree it’s not gonna be apocalyptic... but Im predicting it’s gonna be historically catastrophic. I mean it already is really.

 

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[loop101]

The Spanish flu affected those with strong immune systems which is terrifying. But the advantage they had then was the world wasn't as connected - less travel.

It will be over soon. It's a once-in-a-generation thing but it's not the end of the world.

It would have eventually made it to America, but troops returning home from Europe during WW1 brought the Spanish Flu directly to many American cities.

 

[loop101]

I heard an audio recording today of someone with supposed INSIDERS Pentagon information. It's not vet-table enough for me to even post it here, but if what I heard in this recording is true, there's a possibility of an Italy-type martial law in the United States within the next few weeks. It kind of makes sense though, and most of the largest corporations in the United States are on board. Kind of like ripping the band-aid off quickly - contain it, anyone who would come out of the back side of the quarantine period sick would be treated, but it would be an easy way to isolate it and keep it from spreading further.

If they imposed martial law and locked down the US for 3 weeks, wouldn't that be enough time for every infected person to be revealed and quarantined? Then everyone could go back to work. The Feds could take some of that war/bailout money they always seem to have, and pay everyone's wages for a month.

 

[Drive2Riches]

We've lasted 50+ pages without it.

This didn't age well.

But while we're here, I learned yesterday that the pandemic response team was dismantled in 2018.

But the elderly, weak, and immunodeficient are also susceptible to many other respiratory diseases. If you have the flu, would you go visit your grandmother who can’t produce sufficient amounts of white blood cells? Of course not. So what’s different with the Coronavirus? No CV shot? The healthy don’t need it. The elderly/weak/immunodeficient: it’s your job as a responsible human to avoid contact with them. But that’s not specific to CV. That’s for any respiratory disease. So again, what’s different?

I am unable to engage in discussion around a false equivalence.

 

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[Drive2Riches]

I really miss Y2K.

 

[TheCj]

Some thoughts that have had over this last week, as a Canadian hearing American reporters this last week on Canadian media:

-The majority of the US population has been largely unaware of what has been happening the last 3 months in the world. Which is definitely a noticeable surprise for me, how sheltered the majority of the people are from world news.

-The fear factor is really being pumped up. The sensationalism of American media really stands out when hear them talk.

- I noticed after about 2-3 American sports media interviewed in one morning, the Canadian media stopped interviewing anymore since they were just spreading panic. I can only imagine what's it like getting this non stop on the news there.

- Not to get too political, It does feel that there is an economic undercurrent to make sure the "crash" happens.

-I'd just remind American's that the numbers you are seeing isn't the same as the rate that it is spreading. It seems that there has been very little awareness and testing in the majority of the USA until the last 3-4 days. So this number is basically just counting/catch up. 400 new cases isn't 400 new infections a day. It's 400 people who have shown positive today, that have contracted the virus in the last who knows how long. Hopefully once the count reach's a plateau will see a much slower rate of increase.

-Also as many people who are infected, there will be 100's or 1000's more people that have had the virus. Just considered it a normal seasonal cold/flu, and have recovered and moved on. Those numbers for "recovered" can't be tracked/counted etc..

-For myself I wish both Canada and USA had taken more serious travel bans weeks ago, at the least the moment Italy went on lockdown. I think both countries have been too lax, yet they are trying to keep economies going for as long as possible. Of course I have a bias view as most of us here probably do since, not relying on work for months, years etc.. isn't the end of the world.

-Waiting for the government to give you the best advice is always suspect. They have to think of mass hysteria and panic. Just like relying on the pedestrian have right of way law to save you blindly crossing the street, you have to think look for yourself.

-For the compound interest numbers, that's why the numbers never made sense from the beginning. If extrapolate the numbers and the factor it was spreading in January. Would lead to everyone in the world being exposed sometime by mid February. That's not even taking into account this started in December or earlier. 14 days after the first million is hit 8 billion is reached that's just doubling.

-That fractal math explanation doesn't really make sense when apply this to a virus that will spread between humans, the limiting factor is number of hosts the virus can come in contact with to spread. So no the virus will continue to spread without a limiting factor until a limiting factor is imposed. So for this and any virus that has no qualms about which host it infects the rate will be linear or exponential depending on the rate of increase. Which is why all we can do is limit the chance of spread, until a vaccine comes into play. Letting it go through the population and letting strong enough immune systems to fight it off, isn't limiting the spread. It's just trying to make the best out of what we can do.

-This just shows that 1)The world is unprepared 2)If this was more deadly you have to see and act yourself, can't be waiting for government announcements.

-If this was more deadly, we'd be really screwed.

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Question for everyone...Do you believe this outbreak will largely be handled on a localized level? I have a feeling more densely populated areas are going to get hammered and more likely to be under mandatory quarantine. Rural, not so much.

 

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[lowtek]

I heard an audio recording today of someone with supposed INSIDERS Pentagon information. It's not vet-table enough for me to even post it here, but if what I heard in this recording is true, there's a possibility of an Italy-type martial law in the United States within the next few weeks. It kind of makes sense though, and most of the largest corporations in the United States are on board. Kind of like ripping the band-aid off quickly - contain it, anyone who would come out of the back side of the quarantine period sick would be treated, but it would be an easy way to isolate it and keep it from spreading further.

I have third hand information to the same effect.

If your plan was to bug out, now is the time.

 

[Rabby]

$100 says riots within 3 months

Just kidding... kind of

From what I’ve researched... this isn’t gonna be like a few weeks thing... pretty sure we’re looking at a few months kind of a thing.

I agree it’s not gonna be apocalyptic... but Im predicting it’s gonna be historically catastrophic. I mean it already is really.

In fact, I'm pretty sure there will be riots. I've commented privately on that a few times now. You can already see signs of aggression and aberrant behavior in the emotionally fragile population. Of course, rioters will spread the infection to each other, just like panic shopping mobs will. But the biggest thing is that human behavior may cause more damage than the microbe. Economic, physical, and otherwise.

Perspective: I live in Florida and watch people every year running from hurricanes when none of them know where it's going. More often than not, they collect up in the very place where the hurricane lands. Or they mob the highways and get stuck in their cars when the storm hits, instead of being in a solid building. People aren't that smart when their emotions are heightened. We have two instincts - fight and run (in a random direction if we can't detect the enemy vector) - and those don't help us much in these situations.

 

[GIlman]

I recently started reading up about the Spanish Flu in 1918 and if 1 fifth of the world got infected with terrible health care back then and lack of communication, I have a feeling this will all be fine in a few weeks.

I just think all countries need a strict isolation period which isn't happening.

Well in principal what you are saying should normally be true. The problem is the US has 2 beds per 1000 population based on numbers I’ve seen. If 20% of the population that gets CV require hospital care....well do you see the problem there. We have a total of 100,000 nationwide ICU beds, and I’ve heard estimates of 40,000 ventilators.

assuming no existing patients thats enough ICU beds for 0.03% of the population and ventilators for 0.01% of the population.

Anyone who actually works in a hospital can tell you that we are constantly running out of capacity. Hospitals go on diversion all the time because they have no beds. This is all before a HuGE influx of CV patients. ICU’s are often running near capacity, ICU patients can’t just be emptied out to other beds. I would estimate we have maybe 25,000 free ICU beds and we will be generous and say 20,000 free ventilators, which is probably quite overly optimistic. We could put patients anywhere on a ventilator, the monitoring would just be suboptimal compared to the ICU.

Aldo, outbreaks will not be even. So some hospitals will be completely swamped while others 200 miles away have beds. But not that many beds extra.

When we run out of beds and ventilators, people are on their own to deal with their health problems, you then have no advantage compared to 2018. That’s what happened in Italy and China.

now the positive. The gov is relaxing restrictions on medical professionals working in other states, they are relaxing regulations so say a dr from Nevada can work easily in Arizona if that’s where the need is. The governor has to approve each physician, but they have the emergency authority to Do it today If needed. Students for various health care careers are being offered early certification, so we can fast track bodies to help with the influx. I have a lot of hope we can handle this, but it’s likely to be a marathon and some will be lost.

 

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[lowtek]

If they imposed martial law and locked down the US for 3 weeks, wouldn't that be enough time for every infected person to be revealed and quarantined? Then everyone could go back to work. The Feds could take some of that war/bailout money they always seem to have, and pay everyone's wages for a month.

Only in theory. In reality people will break the quarantine and get infected at various points in time. Worse, as soon as we let people come from abroad it will start to spread again.

A quarantine will only buy us time and perhaps reset the active infections to a more manageable level to where we can aggressively test and contain.

 

[Rabby]

Some thoughts that have had over this last week, as a Canadian hearing American reporters this last week on Canadian media:

-The majority of the US population has been largely unaware of what has been happening the last 3 months in the world. Which is definitely a noticeable surprise for me, how sheltered the majority of the people are from world news.

-The fear factor is really being pumped up. The sensationalism of American media really stands out when hear them talk.

- I noticed after about 2-3 American sports media interviewed in one morning, the Canadian media stopped interviewing anymore since they were just spreading panic. I can only imagine what's it like getting this non stop on the news there.

- Not to get too political, It does feel that there is an economic undercurrent to make sure the "crash" happens.

-I'd just remind American's that the numbers you are seeing isn't the same as the rate that it is spreading. It seems that there has been very little awareness and testing in the majority of the USA until the last 3-4 days. So this number is basically just counting/catch up. 400 new cases isn't 400 new infections a day. It's 400 people who have shown positive today, that have contracted the virus in the last who knows how long. Hopefully once the count reach's a plateau will see a much slower rate of increase.

-Also as many people who are infected, there will be 100's or 1000's more people that have had the virus. Just considered it a normal seasonal cold/flu, and have recovered and moved on. Those numbers for "recovered" can't be tracked/counted etc..

-For myself I wish both Canada and USA had taken more serious travel bans weeks ago, at the least the moment Italy went on lockdown. I think both countries have been too lax, yet they are trying to keep economies going for as long as possible. Of course I have a bias view as most of us here probably do since, not relying on work for months, years etc.. isn't the end of the world.

-Waiting for the government to give you the best advice is always suspect. They have to think of mass hysteria and panic. Just like relying on the pedestrian have right of way law to save you blindly crossing the street, you have to think look for yourself.

-For the compound interest numbers, that's why the numbers never made sense from the beginning. If extrapolate the numbers and the factor it was spreading in January. Would lead to everyone in the world being exposed sometime by mid February. That's not even taking into account this started in December or earlier. 14 days after the first million is hit 8 billion is reached that's just doubling.

-That fractal math explanation doesn't really make sense when apply this to a virus that will spread between humans, the limiting factor is number of hosts the virus can come in contact with to spread. So no the virus will continue to spread without a limiting factor until a limiting factor is imposed. So for this and any virus that has no qualms about which host it infects the rate will be linear or exponential depending on the rate of increase. Which is why all we can do is limit the chance of spread, until a vaccine comes into play. Letting it go through the population and letting strong enough immune systems to fight it off, isn't limiting the spread. It's just trying to make the best out of what we can do.

-This just shows that 1)The world is unprepared 2)If this was more deadly you have to see and act yourself, can't be waiting for government announcements.

-If this was more deadly, we'd be really screwed.

I like your perspective, and you're dead right about US media. But limiting factors already exist in nature, and some are built in to human behavior and logistical matters, even in the absence of government action. Even the Black Death didn't spread exponentially without limiters... and people had no logic to fight it with. Microbes weren't even thought up; they thought arrows of miasma from Heaven were punishing them. When enough people are sick, people won't expose themselves. Some modern advantages we have include the ability to introduce new limiting factors, which are hopefully based on reason and sound information. That will reduce the magnitude of the infection period (think: period, like waves), and perhaps restore the system to it's pre- COVD state.

 

[EVMaso]

Neat article from the Washington Post about how this is spreading and the most effective way to combat it. Also comes with some neat simulators!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

If you don't want to read it or give the horribly biased WaPo a click, then the answer is extensive social distancing.

 

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[EVMaso]

By the way is anyone else just absolutely fixated on this stuff? I can't concentrate on anything else. I consume headlines as fast as they appear. I check up on all sources of news, left right mainstream fringe forums messageboards social media whatever, I'm good at sifting through the crap and coming up with what I think is the actual news. I'm set as far as prepping goes, and I've done my best to guide my immediate family and friends on being set up for when the bad wave hits, so I'm basically just sitting at home in front of the computer all day doing nothing but reading.

I should probably be doing something more productive though, but aside from the tragic elements this is actually a historic, possibly once in a lifetime event, and I'm trying to soak it all in.

 

[Kak]

So who here has changed their daily life so far?

I have to admit, I just do whatever I want. It was nice to go to Home Depot today, a Saturday, and there was about as many people there as an average Tuesday morning.

I have gone out to eat several times. I will go to church tomorrow. I’ll probably play golf after.

Maybe I should be more afraid of it, but am just not.

I have been more conscious not to touch my face while out and about. I wash my hands when I get home. I wipe out phone down once or twice a day. I take advantage of the hand sanitizer in public places. I also have plenty of food and consumables to stay home for a month if need be. I am just as heavily armed as usual. I don’t lick random people. That’s about it.

Have most people seriously isolated themselves? Not saying it is stupid or anything... I just haven’t gone to those extremes.

 

[Rabby]

By the way is anyone else just absolutely fixated on this stuff? I can't concentrate on anything else. I consume headlines as fast as they appear. I check up on all sources of news, left right mainstream fringe forums messageboards social media whatever, I'm good at sifting through the crap and coming up with what I think is the actual news. I'm set as far as prepping goes, and I've done my best to guide my immediate family and friends on being set up for when the bad wave hits, so I'm basically just sitting at home in front of the computer all day doing nothing but reading.

I should probably be doing something more productive though, but aside from the tragic elements this is actually a historic, possibly once in a lifetime event, and I'm trying to soak it all in.

Nope, not fixated. You're right, you should do something more productive. You don't control the virus. You do control your own actions, and a number of things in your environment. Use that control to output something of value, and it will pay off. Convince 10 other people to do the same, who convince 10 others to do the same, and we won't even have a long recession to slog through.

 

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[biggeemac]

I was locked into CV related news, but I took a break this weekend and did business related activity.

Oregon had its first CV death today.......

Oregon coronavirus death: First fatality is 70-year-old man at Portland VA Hospital

A 70-year-old Multnomah County resident died at Portland's VA Hospital on Saturday, health officials said, marking the first death in Oregon.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[MoneyDoc]

So who here has changed their daily life so far?

I have to admit, I just do whatever I want. I was nice to go to Home Depot today, a Saturday, and there was about as many people there as an average Tuesday morning.

I have gone out to eat several times. I will go to church tomorrow. I’ll probably play golf after.

Maybe I should be more afraid of it, but am just not.

I have been more conscious not to touch my face while out and about. I wash my hands when I get home. I wipe out phone down once or twice a day. I take advantage of the hand sanitizer in public places. I also have plenty of food and whatnot to stay home for a month if need be. That’s about it.

Have most people seriously isolated themselves? Not saying it is stupid or anything... I just haven’t gone to those extremes.

Living life like I’ve always been! My business has taken a hit (50%) which makes it hard to focus on other things, but I’m getting through it. Getting samples for my new snack line on Monday, so that’s exciting. Went out today to look at land, properties, and industrial buildings for sale. Even though I’m not buying anything nor do I have the funds to buy anything worthwhile now, just looking helps subsconciously (I hope lol).

Noticeably less traffic, but that’s a good thing.

CV is the least of my worries right now. Coming up with $10k for monthly expenses, is more concerning for me at this time and this panic is making things worse.

 

[EVMaso]

So who here has changed their daily life so far?

I have to admit, I just do whatever I want. I was nice to go to Home Depot today, a Saturday, and there was about as many people there as an average Tuesday morning.

I have gone out to eat several times. I will go to church tomorrow. I’ll probably play golf after.

Maybe I should be more afraid of it, but am just not.

I have been more conscious not to touch my face while out and about. I wash my hands when I get home. I wipe out phone down once or twice a day. I take advantage of the hand sanitizer in public places. I also have plenty of food and consumables to stay home for a month if need be. I am just as heavily armed as usual. I don’t lick random people. That’s about it.

Have most people seriously isolated themselves? Not saying it is stupid or anything... I just haven’t gone to those extremes.

I'm just not sure anymore what it will take for people to start treating this virus thing seriously. The average healthy man probably won't get it, and if they do they'll just get something like a normal or even bad flu, but they'll survive. But by milling about at this time, when the virus is still spreading out there, you may be unknowingly spreading it around to people that are in danger from it. It can linger in the air for a while (a number of hours I've read), stay on surfaces for days, and can stay with a person who gets the virus (symptoms or not) for over a week.

I've cancelled all planned activities with friends. We talk on the phone. I wanted to go out and take some videos today, but decided to stay in. I'm going to avoid seeing my elderly parents for weeks (we talk on the phone daily though). Until this thing is "in control" (whatever that means and however long that takes) I'm just going to listen to the medical experts on this one.

 

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[EVMaso]

Nope, not fixated. You're right, you should do something more productive. You don't control the virus. You do control your own actions, and a number of things in your environment. Use that control to output something of value, and it will pay off. Convince 10 other people to do the same, who convince 10 others to do the same, and we won't even have a long recession to slog through.

Yeah, you are right. There's plenty I can do at home. In addition to keeping up with the latest CV news, I've also been researching how to come out of the upcoming recession in a better place than I am now. I'll double down on that and hopefully have some action plan for that soon.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

So who here has changed their daily life so far?

I have to admit, I just do whatever I want. I was nice to go to Home Depot today, a Saturday, and there was about as many people there as an average Tuesday morning.

I have gone out to eat several times. I will go to church tomorrow. I’ll probably play golf after.

Maybe I should be more afraid of it, but am just not.

I have been more conscious not to touch my face while out and about. I wash my hands when I get home. I wipe out phone down once or twice a day. I take advantage of the hand sanitizer in public places. I also have plenty of food and consumables to stay home for a month if need be. I am just as heavily armed as usual. I don’t lick random people. That’s about it.

Have most people seriously isolated themselves? Not saying it is stupid or anything... I just haven’t gone to those extremes.

You didn’t lick any random people huh? Hmmm maybe I’m going about this prepping thing all wrong.