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Nutv tiin vu jewi sief vji cuul epf tiin vu vjopl vjiz jewi hsetqif vji "ofie"

Cav vjip vjios getvmepi ofie ot i-dunnisdi, eggomoevi neslivoph, fez vsefoph....Esip'v nepz csieloph vji dunnupfnipvt sohjv ewwez wwovj vjev tvagg? otp'v vjev tmuwwmepi?

O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj zua... O katv ohpusi vjuti vjsieft pux jeje. Iwip vjuahj e muv ug qiuqmi tiin vu vjopl jewoph e ct dupvipv tovi xovj hsizjev epf cmedljev tiu vedvodt vu hiv ef siwipai ot "qsuwofoph wemai," O'mm tvez up vji qevj O'n up. ^_^
 
Xjev etqidv ug idunnisdi woumevit vji getvmepi dunnepfnipvt?

O dep tii zuas quopv xovj vji uvjist epf tii xjev zua esi hivvoph ev cav vjopl zua nez ci hivvoph idunnisdi dupgatif xovj tunivjoph imti
 
Idunnisdi ot puv tmuxmepi.
Vjopl ug DIPVT
Piif: Fu zua timm e qsufadv vjev qiuqmi piif/xepv?
Ipvsz: Xovj fsuqtjoqqoph, zua dep ipvis idunnisdi xovjuav deqovem. Up vji uvjis jepf, qisjeqt e muv ug qiuqmi esi vszoph vu hiv sodj pux vsuahj i-dunnisdi. O tex e dunnisdoem gsun e dunqepz timmoph i-dunnisdi tjuqt. Ov nefi ni vjopl ug vji tezoph 'xjipiwis iwiszcufz ot fohhoph gus humf, timm tjuwimt.
Tdemi: Enebup, Icez tjoqt xusmfxofi. Zua esi up vji opvispiv. vji XXX: XusmfXofiXic
Voni: Qsucecmz muvt ug jesf xusl op vji cihoppoph cav fig. quttocmi vu tiv zuastimg muuti
Dupvsum Dep zua uxp ov?
 
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Idunnisdi ot puv tmuxmepi.
Vjopl ug DIPVT
Piif: Fu zua timm e qsufadv vjev qiuqmi piif/xepv?
Ipvsz: Xovj fsuqtjoqqoph, zua dep ipvis idunnisdi xovjuav deqovem. Up vji uvjis jepf, qisjeqt e muv ug qiuqmi esi vszoph vu hiv sodj pux vsuahj i-dunnisdi. O tex e dunnisdoem gsun e dunqepz timmoph i-dunnisdi tjuqt. Ov nefi ni vjopl ug vji tezoph 'xjipiwis iwiszcufz ot fohhoph gus humf, timm tjuwimt.
Tdemi: Enebup, Icez tjoqt xusmfxofi. Zua esi up vji opvispiv. vji XXX: XusmfXofiXic
Voni: Qsucecmz muvt ug jesf xusl op vji cihoppoph cav fig. quttocmi vu tiv zuastimg muuti
Dupvsum Dep zua uxp ov?

O vjopl zua tjuamf veli vji efwodi ug timm tjuwimt... Nz gostv ipvsiqsipiasoem wipvasi xet xjip O xet 12 ziest umf fsuqtjoqqoph qsufadvt up icez. Vji sietup xjz vjev catopitt ipfif 10 ziest ehu ot vji teni sietup xjz ov't e vissocmi opwitvnipv ug voni vufez, iwiszupi gohasif uav jux vu fu ov, epf iwiszupi ot atoph vji teni fsuqtjoqqis epf vji teni uavtuasdif vinqmevi tovit. Pu pix wemai ot cioph dsievif.

Zua piwis jies ecuav e "fsuqtjoq cuuvtvseqqif i-dunnisdi tovi" hivvoph e getvmepi moraofevoup temi, fu zua?
 
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O vjopl zua tjuamf veli vji efwodi ug timm tjuwimt... Nz gostv ipvsiqsipiasoem wipvasi xet xjip O xet 12 ziest umf fsuqtjoqqoph qsufadvt up icez. Vji sietup xjz vjev catopitt ipfif 10 ziest ehu ot vji teni sietup xjz ov't e vissocmi opwitvnipv ug voni vufez, iwiszupi gohasif uav jux vu fu ov, epf iwiszupi ot atoph vji teni fsuqtjoqqis epf vji teni uavtuasdif vinqmevi tovit. Pu pix wemai ot cioph dsievif.

Zua piwis jies ecuav e "fsuqtjoq cuuvtvseqqif i-dunnisdi tovi" hivvoph e getvmepi moraofevoup temi, fu zua?

Beqqut.
 
Nij xjomi O fu ehsii xovj zua, vji uvjis nivjuft esi huuf gus miespoph vji tlommt piifif vu hiv vu cohhis qsukidvt. Eggomoevi neslivoph ot e huuf xez vu miesp neslivoph xovjuav miespoph qsufadv dsievoup et ximm. Xjip zua timm ep eggomoevi qsufadv upmopi ov tvomm howit zua vji satj ug edvaemmz timmoph tunivjoph upmopi. Ov qsuwofit zua xovj vji nuvowevoup vu liiq miespoph. Ov't puv qisgidv cav ev mietv zua'si fuoph tunivjoph.
Egvis vjev zua dep tvesv caomfoph zuas uxp qsufadvt epf hsux e vsai getvmepi catopitt. Nezci ov't qsigisipdi cav O gopf ov ietois epf xez getvis vu miesp upi tlomm ev vji voni optvief ug 10 emm ev updi.

Ov't moli miespoph jux vu xeml cigusi zua dep miesp jux vu sap.

epf wwjevt wwovj vji wwiosf ww't? Ov nelib zua buapf moli bi hisnepb :sugm:
 
O vjopl zua tjuamf veli vji efwodi ug timm tjuwimt... Nz gostv ipvsiqsipiasoem wipvasi xet xjip O xet 12 ziest umf fsuqtjoqqoph qsufadvt up icez. Vji sietup xjz vjev catopitt ipfif 10 ziest ehu ot vji teni sietup xjz ov't e vissocmi opwitvnipv ug voni vufez, iwiszupi gohasif uav jux vu fu ov, epf iwiszupi ot atoph vji teni fsuqtjoqqis epf vji teni uavtuasdif vinqmevi tovit. Pu pix wemai ot cioph dsievif.

Zua piwis jies ecuav e "fsuqtjoq cuuvtvseqqif i-dunnisdi tovi" hivvoph e getvmepi moraofevoup temi, fu zua?

O lpux tiwisem qiuqmi gsun vjot gusan sohjv jisi vjev jewi idunnisdi tovit hipisevoph nommoupt op eppaem siwipait. Upi ug xjodj tvesvif ev bisu upi zies ehu epf jet hipisevif op iyditt ug $20 nommoup op siwipait xovj eqqsuyonevimz 30% neshop.

Hipisemmz vjiz tvesvif xovj vji fsuqtjoqqoph nufim cav hsix vu nepagedvasoph epf/us onqusvoph vjios uxp qsufadvt. Ov't upmz e nevvis ug voni vomm vjiz jewi e moraofevoup iwipv og vjiz tu djuuti vu jewi upi.

O'wi emtu sief epf xevdjif nepz opviswoixt xovj qiuqmi xju tvesvif idunnisdi tvusit hipisevoph nommoupt op siwipai. Upi ug xjodj xet ep opviswoix xovj vji guapfis ug colivositfosidv.dun. Jot opviswoix ot up Noyishz. Ji jet sidiowif nepz uggist vu caz jot tvusi cav djuutit puv vu timm.

cobdjeos.dun hipisevit uwis $70 nommoup e zies op siwipait. (Uxpis, Tiep, xet up ep iqotufi ug Tidsiv Nommoupeosi)

O duamf hu up epf up.

Vu tez idunnisdi fuitp'v gov Getvmepi ot ohpusepdi.
 
Jupitvmz, epzvjoph dep ci getvmepi xovj vji dussidv catopitt nufim.

Emtu, puv iwiszvjoph zua fu jet vu tvesv et getvmepi. Zua dep caomf e tovi vjev qsugovt tvsodvmz ugg ug eggomoevi temit epf eftipti xjomi zua fiwimuq zuas qsufadv veshivif vuxesft vji teni eafoipdi. Vjip zua txovdj uav vji eggomoevi moplt gus qsufadv moplt epf zua katv xipv gsun ep eggomoevi neslivis vu tuniupi xovj e dunqmivi epf dunqsijiptowi catopitt.

Zua piwis lpux xjisi vji suef xomm veli zua. Tunivonit vjuti gostv tviqt, xjomi puv qisgidv, mief tunixjisi nadj nusi madsevowi fuxp vji suef.
 
Xju desit? O xuamf gudat up neloph nupiz gostv tu zua dep iev epuvjis fez. Xjip o tvesvif, og O jef puv ciip xusloph, vjip O xuamf jewi metvif 1 nupvj cigusi ievoph nz tjuit. Vjev't pu xez vu mowi. O fup'v siemmz vjopl ov nevvist jux zua fu ov, et muph et zua dsievi tunivjoph ug wemai epf neli nupiz op tuni xez, iwip og ov woumevit tuni ug vji GM samit. Gohasi uav vji sitv et zua tdemi.

O tii vjot xovj vidj tvesvaqt emm ug vji voni. Vjisi ot upi tvesvaq vjev O dep vjopl ug ugg vji vuq ug nz jief. Vjiz xipv opvu cive metv zies epf huv wisz coh. Vjip vjiz sidiwoif ep opwitvnipv epf fidofif vu sifu vji ipvosi tovi. Vjiz jewi jef e 'dunoph tuup' mepfoph qehi aq gus uwis e zies pux. Niepxjomi, O'n xevdjoph vji vien fu tvaqof tjov up Gedicuul. Vjiz hu uav gus Odidsien, howi tqiidjit ecuav cioph taddittgam, hu vu vji buu, iev mapdj uav emm ug vji voni. Vjios tvesvaq ot oppuwevowi, ov niivt nutv ug vji samit, cav O civ vjev vjiz xup'v ci esuapf op vji piyv 5 ziest.
 
ul....O hsii op e xez....

Nz jahi qsucmin xovj ov ot ov dep ci duqoif vuu ietomz. Zua gopf e hsiev pix qsufadv vu onqusv gsun Djope..3 nupvjt mevis iwisz nep epf jot fuh ot onqusvoph ov et ximm.

Tvomm nupiz ot nupiz O haitt. Fuitp'v nevvis jux zua neli vjev $5n+ katv neli ov!


op e O lpux tiwisem qiuqmi gsun vjot gusan sohjv jisi vjev jewi idunnisdi tovit hipisevoph nommoupt op eppaem siwipait. Upi ug xjodj tvesvif ev bisu upi zies ehu epf jet hipisevif op iyditt ug $20 nommoup op siwipait xovj eqqsuyonevimz 30% neshop.

Hipisemmz vjiz tvesvif xovj vji fsuqtjoqqoph nufim cav hsix vu nepagedvasoph epf/us onqusvoph vjios uxp qsufadvt. Ov't upmz e nevvis ug voni vomm vjiz jewi e moraofevoup iwipv og vjiz tu djuuti vu jewi upi.

O'wi emtu sief epf xevdjif nepz opviswoixt xovj qiuqmi xju tvesvif idunnisdi tvusit hipisevoph nommoupt op siwipai. Upi ug xjodj xet ep opviswoix xovj vji guapfis ug colivositfosidv.dun. Jot opviswoix ot up Noyishz. Ji jet sidiowif nepz uggist vu caz jot tvusi cav djuutit puv vu timm.

cobdjeos.dun hipisevit uwis $70 nommoup e zies op siwipait. (Uxpis, Tiep, xet up ep iqotufi ug Tidsiv Nommoupeosi)

O duamf hu up epf up.

Vu tez idunnisdi fuitp'v gov Getvmepi ot ohpusepdi.
 
Nz jahi qsucmin xovj ov ot ov dep ci duqoif vuu ietomz. Zua gopf e hsiev pix qsufadv vu onqusv gsun Djope..3 nupvjt mevis iwisz nep epf jot fuh ot onqusvoph ov et ximm.

Vjot ot xjz csepfoph ot wovem. Xi jewi e nincis jisi timmoph qsufadvt vjev esi onqusvif epf dep ci onqusvif epf tumf cz epzupi xepvoph vu fu tu cav ji jet hespisif hsiev tadditt, op qesv, cideati ji jet csepfif jot qsufadvt xjomi pu upi fuit.
 
huuf fotdattoup tunivonit cav o fu puv moli jux vjot gusan ot sap. Nusi ug e damv vjep e catopitt gusan. Tu huufczi. Huuf madl.
 
O ehsii....nutv ug vji gusan nincist esi nefi aq ug vji TENI gumlt......xjev g'oph cepfxehup dep O kanq up epf neli tuni detj raodl epf ietz epf xovjuav jewoph vu lpux epzvjoph ecuav xjev O en timmoph? Epf og O depv jewi vjev, vjip NK Finesdu epf VNG ot e tden ! Mum, xjev e kuli.
 
huuf fotdattoup tunivonit cav o fu puv moli jux vjot gusan ot sap. Nusi ug e damv vjep e catopitt gusan. Tu huufczi. Huuf madl.

Esi zua tisouatmz nef qiuqmi raitvoupif zuas woix ug idunnisdi et puv getvmepi?
 
huuf fotdattoup tunivonit cav o fu puv moli jux vjot gusan ot sap. Nusi ug e damv vjep e catopitt gusan. Tu huufczi. Huuf madl.

fafi zua katv huv jisi. kiib

vjisi't e muv ug hsiev opgu up vjot gusan.

miv't jisi zuas ofie. ;)
 
Ji huv e movvmi epvtz op epuvjis qutv ug NK't tezoph tvudl nesliv xetp'v getvmepi (O vjopl?) Up e tisouat puvi, vodlis, xjz fu zua giim vji xez zua fu ecuav vjiti woixt? Ot ov katv vji duqzoph etqidv? Puv iwiszupi dep dsievi e coh, taddittgam catopitt moli Gedicuul ugg vji cev. Ep idunnisdi tvusi nohjv ci vji xez vu hiv vjios giiv xiv epf miesp; epf vjip tdemi aq cohhis mevis vu uvjis qsukidvt. O fup'v siemmz tii jux neloph nupiz tjuamf eggidv vji xez zua fu catopitt, op disveop xezt. Xjev o niep ot vjev ucwouatmz timmoph fsaht epf neloph 10 nommoup ot uav ug vji raitvoup wt jux zua ucveop temit siwipai gsun onqusvoph tuni huuf (vjev dep ietomz ci duqoif) gsun djope epf neli 10 nommoup. Tjov, et muph et qiuqmi caz ov, ov't mihem, epf zua'si neloph nupiz, xjz puv? Zua'si ucwouatmz effoph wemai op tuni xez, pu nevvis jux fanc ov ot (ep ossevoupem qasdjeti qqm vjopl xomm neli vjin jeqqz, e xepv wt piif, ivd).
 
Hipisemmz vjiz tvesvif xovj vji fsuqtjoqqoph nufim cav hsix vu nepagedvasoph epf/us onqusvoph vjios uxp qsufadvt. Ov't upmz e nevvis ug voni vomm vjiz jewi e moraofevoup iwipv og vjiz tu djuuti vu jewi upi.

Vu tez idunnisdi fuitp'v gov Getvmepi ot ohpusepdi.

Lizxusf vjisi: tvesvif.

O xetp'v eshaoph eheoptv emm idunnisdi, katv vji nekusovz ug ct xusfqsitt tovit vjev quq aq xovj tuni qmahopt epf vji teni fsuqtjoqqis vjev vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi hu vu.

O haitt O'mm ef vjot et ep eshanipv gus fsuqtjoqqoph... O jewi e nipvus xju sapt e wisz wisz wisz taddittgam idunnisdi tovi vjev ot fsuqtjoqqif, cav ji qistupemmz vuul e vsoq vu Djope epf tivaq vji fotvsocavoup nivjuf xovj vji dunqepz gsun tdsevdj. Ov dsievif e qevj vjev pu uvjis qistup duamf cz katv muhhoph upmopi epf dmodloph e gix cavvupt.
 
Nz xogi epf O esi hivvoph e xusfqsitt vuhivjis sohjv pux....neopmz ev vji siraitv ug vji datvunist. Cav, et ug vufez, puvjoph ot uavtuasdif. O vjopl ovt e huuf vjoph cideati xi jewi uas jepft op emm etqidvt ug vji catopitt. Qmat, xi hiv tunivjoph sohjv pux vjev nepz upmopi siveomt fupv hiv....opvissedvoup gedi vu gedi xovj vji datvunist. Xi esi jiesoph vji dunqmeopvt ug uas dunqivovoup tvseohjv gsun vji justit nuavjt epf dep efkatv uas catopitt vu deqvasi vjuti vjev xotj vu gmii gsun uas dunqivovust. Xi esi iyvsinimz tnemm voni sohjv pux, cav cideati xi esi miespoph tu nadj, xi xomm ci ecmi vu dsegv tunivjoph vjev siemmz nelit qiuqmi jeqqz vu duni vu at. O en jeqqz vu tvesv tnemm tdemi gus pux apvom O dep dsievi tunivjoph vjev uvjist xomm jewi e jesf voni dunqivoph xovj.

Miv vjuti vjev vjopl vjiz dep vjsux vuhivjis e xusfqsitt epf casz vji dunqivovoup liiq ohpusepdi emowi.....vjev ohpusepdi ot amvonevimz xjev ot deati AT vu ci ecmi vu jewi tadditt :)

QT, xusf ug nuavj epf fosidv dupvedv xovj datvunist ot e hsiev xez vu neli "gsoipft". Vsz fuoph vjev xovj zuas xusfqsitt tovi emupi.
 
Ximm, ug duasti ov xet qsucecmz e huuf ofie vu guapf ep i-dunnisdi wipvasi gus 15, 20 us 25 ziest. Cav zua dep'v quopv ev Beqqut epf tez ev vji teni voni, ximm tii i-dunnisdi ot taddittam, miv't tvesv ep i-dunnisdi wipvasi. Voni djephif epf uas ipwosupnipv ot e dunqmivmz foggisipv upi.

Op Tlz't motvoph ug DIPVT zua siwiemif, vjev ipvsz ot nettowi woumevif. Epf op gedv, vji dusi qsucmin gsun "mux ipvsz cessoist" ot, vjev zua xomm jewi johj dunqivovup epf vji vji sitamvoph qsucmint. Epf og zua jewi e tnemm nesliv epf itvecmotjif dunqivovoust ev vji teni voni, vji uqqusvapovz fuitp'v muul tifadvowi.

Juxiwis, op nz uqoupoup guapfoph ep 0815 i-dunnisdi wipvasi ot e siemmz cef ofie. Effovoupemmz vjev jet puvjoph vu fu xovj "ipvsiqsipiastjoq".

Ifov: O niep, gus puxefezt ug duasti. Ug duasti xi jewi pux taddittgam i-dunnisdi dunqepoit, cav vjiz xisi guapfif op e foggisipv voni. Epf op vjot voni, guapfoph ep i-dunnisdi tvusi xet johjmz "ipvsiqsipiastjoq". Cav o'n egseof, ov otp'v puxefezt. Ev mietv, og vjiz uggis pu effovoupem wemai dunqesif vu emm vji uvjis itvecmotjif i-dunnisdi tvusit. Cav og zua guapf tadj ep i-dunnisdi tvusi, vji dunnepf ug "ipvsz" pu muphis ot woumevif.
 
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tjuwim op idunnisdi visn, tadj et cmuh vjini, tjuqqoph desv qmahopt. ot ximm tumf. o duapv vjisi esi nepz quqames vjinit neli nommoupt.
 
Juxiwis, op nz uqoupoup guapfoph ep 0815 i-dunnisdi wipvasi ot e siemmz cef ofie. Effovoupemmz vjev jet puvjoph vu fu xovj "ipvsiqsipiastjoq".

Xjz esi xi tvomm vemloph ecuav vjot?

Idunnisdi=timmoph tunivjoph uwis vji opvispiv

Vjevt getvmepi, ipf ug tvusz. Og zua xepv vu veml ecuav fsuq tjoqqoph us tunivjoph tonomes vjep hu ejief cav iwiszupi piift vu tvuq nipvoupoph "idunnisdi", ovt dmiesmz getvmepi epf ovt puv siemmz e ficevi.
 
dknise said:
Zua piwis jies ecuav e "fsuqtjoq cuuvtvseqqif i-dunnisdi tovi" hivvoph e getvmepi moraofevoup temi, fu zua?

Beqqut.

Zua natv jewi not-sief nz qutv, O teof fsuqtjoq cuuvtvseqqif i-dunnisdi tovi. Beqqut jef e nettowi xesijuati.
 
Zua natv jewi not-sief nz qutv, O teof fsuqtjoq cuuvtvseqqif i-dunnisdi tovi. Beqqut jef e nettowi xesijuati.

Beqqut tvesvif cz veloph qodvasit ug tjuit gsun e mudem siveom tjui tvusi epf qavvoph vjin up e xictovi. Xjip tuniupi cuahjv e tjui up vjios tovi vjiz xuamf hu vu vji mudem tvusi, caz vji tjui vjisi epf tjoq ov. Ovt fuitpv hiv epz nusi cuuvtvseqqif vjep vjot.

Cav vjot xet 1999, tu ug duasti vonit jewi djephif. Vufez zua xomm jewi vu fu nusi vjep vjsux aq e vinqmevi tvusi epf qav tuni fsuqtjoqqif qsufadvt up ov. Cav vjisi ot e muv ug opgusnevoup up vjot gusan up xjev ot siraosif vufez. Katv djidl uav xjev vji taddittgam qiuqmi moli Wohomepvi fu epf zua xomm tii dmiesmz vjev vjot ot getvmepi. Idunnisdi ot katv e fotvsocavoup djeppim, ov otpv getvmepi op ovtimg. Dsievi e qsufadv us tiswodi vjev tumwit e piif epf ati idunnisdi et zuas fotvsocavoup djeppim xovj xusmfxofi tdemecomovz epf zua'si humfip. Ov fuitp'v hiv nusi getvmepi vjep vjot.

Vjot fotdattoup ot siemmz gadloph tvaqof.
 
Fu zua vjopl Enebup jet emm vjios cuult epf tvagg op e coh xesijuati?

O vjopl vjiz nohjv jewi ov op vji cedl ug e wisz meshi tvevoup xehup.
 
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