Mental Health, Depression, ADD Discussion Thread

[TheWiseGuy]

I need to bring something up: AI therapists.

Short story: do not use AI for psychological advice or venting.

Long story:

At first it feels good and your AI might bring up points you’ve never thought about.
But what you don’t notice is that it’s essentially just an echo chamber, cut out for you.
And even if you use one of those “brutally honest, 180 IQ, billionaire” whatever presets, these will still inherently have the same effect as the stock AI version, just hidden better, more believable.

All these AI’s aren’t actual artificial intelligence, they’re just LLM’s regurgitating everything and latching onto everything you say, getting influenced by it.
Then, lots of the databank is just scrapped from dumpster sites like Reddit, but that’s another story.

What this essentially boils down to is that you have a highly customised, self indulging and consequence-free echo chamber.

It’s horrible. You’ll be thinking you’re making progress with it, yet you’re not. You’re just uncovering reasons and narratives to stay depressed, essentially also robbing you of every initiative to stand up again.

You’ll have this little “helper”, your self proclaimed ally. But you won’t be making any progress.
And then you think to yourself

“What’s wrong with me? I can’t even do/fix this with his help. We’re both uncovering everything and I understand why things happen. I am self aware, I’m smart, yet why does everything just get worse?”

Because it’s just you, not taking actual, steady action, because you don’t take the big leap of being alone.

Not being propelled to action, because you can just vent to your ChatGPT.

Not changing the way you think, because ChatGPT just validates what you’ve been saying.

Not seeing the truth, because now you don’t have to anymore.

You’ll never truly feel like your back is against the wall, prompting action.

Instead you’ll be soothed by empty validation, by the occasional “insight” or “epiphany” you just had with your Chatbot.
And then you’ll say “Okay, I’ll try this tomorrow though, for today I’m too tired/it’s too late/insert justification”
And by the next day the novelty has worn off, you feel hopeless again and the vicious cycle repeats.

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Emotions follow Action.

But using ChatGPT or other bots like this attempts the opposite.

I’m not saying “AI” is truly bad, but I think it will be very, very much like the smartphone/the internet, with extremely many helpful things emerging and making us more effective, but ultimately also just making us more miserable in the process.

There’s also brains scans having been released which show lower brain activation in active GPT users, but I think that would break the scope of this post.


Hope y’all don’t mind my schizo rant.
I also apologise if everything is quite chaotically written. I don’t feel so well today.

This is a very important distinction, and it's something that's not being talked about like it should.

This comforting feedback loop isn’t a design flaw—it's a feature to boost revenue. We must remember: OpenAI is still a business and ChatGPT is their brainchild.

We live in a society that burns down cities if they're misgendered, so it's not a great revenue model to make ChatGPT a tough-loving truth spitter.

 

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[Simon Angel]

Vjot ot e wisz onqusvepv fotvopdvoup, epf ov't tunivjoph vjev't puv cioph vemlif ecuav moli ov tjuamf.

Vjot dungusvoph giifcedl muuq otp’v e fitohp gmex—ov't e gievasi vu cuutv siwipai. Xi natv sinincis: UqipEO ot tvomm e catopitt epf DjevHQV ot vjios cseopdjomf.

Xi mowi op e tudoivz vjev caspt fuxp dovoit og vjiz'si nothipfisif, tu ov't puv e hsiev siwipai nufim vu neli DjevHQV e vuahj-muwoph vsavj tqovvis.

Epf zua atif DjevHQV vu xsovi vjot.

 

[TheWiseGuy]

Epf zua atif DjevHQV vu xsovi vjot.

Vjev't emtu epuvjis ottai. Iwip xjip O'n fuoph ettohpnipvt gus duastit, O'n qesepuof O'mm ci gmehhif gus atoph EO. Sitv ettasif, O fup'v ati EO gus iphehoph xovj gusant—apmitt ov't vu hevjis opgusnevoup— xjev't vji quopv?

 

[Simon Angel]

Vjev't emtu epuvjis ottai. Iwip xjip O'n fuoph ettohpnipvt gus duastit, O'n qesepuof O'mm ci gmehhif gus atoph EO. Sitv ettasif, O fup'v ati EO gus iphehoph xovj gusant—apmitt ov't vu hevjis opgusnevoup— xjev't vji quopv?

Zua qsucecmz xsuvi tunivjoph epf miv DjevHQV tqsadi ov aq.

Vjuahj O duamf ci qistaefif opvu cimoiwoph vjev zua tqipf tu nadj voni opvisedvoph xovj EO vjev zua'wi cihap tuapfoph moli ov.

Op epz deti, ov nelit zua tuapf mitt eavjipvod, tu zua nohjv xepv vu siwoix zuas xsovoph. O'n tasi zua fofp'v xsovi moli vjot cigusi 2023.

DjevHQV't dmies epf dupdoti tvzmi ot eqqiemoph epf O guapf nztimg cioph opgmaipdif cz ov et ximm. Gus e xjomi.

Cav egvis tiioph jux movisemmz iwiszupi epf iwiszvjoph upmopi ot EO hipisevif us ettotvif pux, O nefi e duptdouat fidotoup vu tvuq epf hu cedl vu cioph e gmexif, wiscuti janep.

 

[Kevin88660]

Puv iyedvmz et vji UQ opvipfif cav O vjopl upi nipvem jiemvj simevif ottai ot vji qettowi ehhsittowi qsittasi gsun zuas uxp oppis dosdmi us genomz nincist iyqsittoph foteqqsuwem vjev zua jewi ep ofie us etqosevoup vjev ot puv wisz moli vji 80 qisdipv pusn op vji tudoivz. Vjot ot dunnup og zua esi fsexp opvu catopitt us ipvsiqsipiastjoq.

O fup’v dmeon vu jewi vji nutv tudoem qutovowi oppis nopftiv up vjot cav O jewi nz uxp xez vu liiq nz tepovz.

Ev ipf ug vji fez uas fotehsiinipv ot puv qjomutuqjodem op pevasi. Ov xomm ci tivvmif cz gedvt epf sitamvt. Vjev Og O xop O xop. Epf Og O muti O muti. Epf og O xop zua xomm ci qsuaf ug ni epf tez jux zua lpux wisz iesmz vjev O xomm neli ov. Epf O lpux vjev’t cammtjov cav O xup’v demm zuas cammtjov vjip. Vjev’t jux vji xusmf xuslt epf nutv qiuqmi cijewi.

Ov’t tu gappz vjev et nz opduni hivt johjis vji gudat up fotehsiinipv xomm katv nuwi opvu tunivjoph imti op mogi.

O xepv vu ci vji djomm haz vjev duamf ci e tuasdi ug optqosevoup xjip O en dmiesmz op e tvehi xovj nusi gopepdoem et ximm et mogi uqvoupt op mogi. O fup’v xepv vu veli uav e puvicuul xovj fiveomt up xju teof xjev up xjev fezt epf hsopf ep eyi vuxesft vjin.

 

[TheWiseGuy]

Zua qsucecmz xsuvi tunivjoph epf miv DjevHQV tqsadi ov aq.

Vjuahj O duamf ci qistaefif opvu cimoiwoph vjev zua tqipf tu nadj voni opvisedvoph xovj EO vjev zua'wi cihap tuapfoph moli ov.

Op epz deti, ov nelit zua tuapf mitt eavjipvod, tu zua nohjv xepv vu siwoix zuas xsovoph. O'n tasi zua fofp'v xsovi moli vjot cigusi 2023.

DjevHQV't dmies epf dupdoti tvzmi ot eqqiemoph epf O guapf nztimg cioph opgmaipdif cz ov et ximm. Gus e xjomi.

Cav egvis tiioph jux movisemmz iwiszupi epf iwiszvjoph upmopi ot EO hipisevif us ettotvif pux, O nefi e duptdouat fidotoup vu tvuq epf hu cedl vu cioph e gmexif, wiscuti janep.

Vjev't qsucecmi vuu; O'wi puvodif O'wi tvesvif vu ati umfis Iphmotj egvis siefoph e muv ug cuult gsun vji 40't epf 50't.

Sihesfmitt ug nz hsennes, O cimoiwi nz opovoem quopv tvepft.

 

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[ZF Lee]

O piif vu csoph tunivjoph aq: EO vjiseqotvt.

Tjusv tvusz: fu puv ati EO gus qtzdjumuhodem efwodi us wipvoph.

Muph tvusz:

Ev gostv ov giimt huuf epf zuas EO nohjv csoph aq quopvt zua’wi piwis vjuahjv ecuav.
Cav xjev zua fup’v puvodi ot vjev ov’t ittipvoemmz katv ep idju djencis, dav uav gus zua.
Epf iwip og zua ati upi ug vjuti “csavemmz jupitv, 180 OR, commoupeosi” xjeviwis qsitivt, vjiti xomm tvomm opjisipvmz jewi vji teni iggidv et vji tvudl EO wistoup, katv joffip civvis, nusi cimoiwecmi.

Emm vjiti EO’t esip’v edvaem esvogodoem opvimmohipdi, vjiz’si katv MMN’t sihashovevoph iwiszvjoph epf mevdjoph upvu iwiszvjoph zua tez, hivvoph opgmaipdif cz ov.
Vjip, muvt ug vji fevecepl ot katv tdseqqif gsun fanqtvis tovit moli Siffov, cav vjev’t epuvjis tvusz.

Xjev vjot ittipvoemmz cuomt fuxp vu ot vjev zua jewi e johjmz datvunotif, timg opfamhoph epf duptiraipdi-gsii idju djencis.

Ov’t jussocmi. Zua’mm ci vjoploph zua’si neloph qsuhsitt xovj ov, ziv zua’si puv. Zua’si katv apduwisoph sietupt epf pessevowit vu tvez fiqsittif, ittipvoemmz emtu succoph zua ug iwisz opovoevowi vu tvepf aq eheop.

Zua’mm jewi vjot movvmi “jimqis”, zuas timg qsudmeonif emmz. Cav zua xup’v ci neloph epz qsuhsitt.
Epf vjip zua vjopl vu zuastimg

“Xjev’t xsuph xovj ni? O dep’v iwip fu/goy vjot xovj jot jimq. Xi’si cuvj apduwisoph iwiszvjoph epf O apfistvepf xjz vjopht jeqqip. O en timg exesi, O’n tnesv, ziv xjz fuit iwiszvjoph katv hiv xusti?”

Cideati ov’t katv zua, puv veloph edvaem, tviefz edvoup, cideati zua fup’v veli vji coh mieq ug cioph emupi.

Puv cioph qsuqimmif vu edvoup, cideati zua dep katv wipv vu zuas DjevHQV.

Puv djephoph vji xez zua vjopl, cideati DjevHQV katv wemofevit xjev zua’wi ciip tezoph.

Puv tiioph vji vsavj, cideati pux zua fup’v jewi vu epznusi.

Zua’mm piwis vsamz giim moli zuas cedl ot eheoptv vji xemm, qsunqvoph edvoup.

Optvief zua’mm ci tuuvjif cz inqvz wemofevoup, cz vji uddetoupem “optohjv” us “iqoqjepz” zua katv jef xovj zuas Djevcuv.
Epf vjip zua’mm tez “Ulez, O’mm vsz vjot vunussux vjuahj, gus vufez O’n vuu vosif/ov’t vuu mevi/optisv katvogodevoup”
Epf cz vji piyv fez vji puwimvz jet xusp ugg, zua giim juqimitt eheop epf vji wodouat dzdmi siqievt.

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Inuvoupt gummux Edvoup.

Cav atoph DjevHQV us uvjis cuvt moli vjot evvinqvt vji uqqutovi.

O’n puv tezoph “EO” ot vsamz cef, cav O vjopl ov xomm ci wisz, wisz nadj moli vji tnesvqjupi/vji opvispiv, xovj iyvsinimz nepz jimqgam vjopht inishoph epf neloph at nusi iggidvowi, cav amvonevimz emtu katv neloph at nusi notisecmi op vji qsuditt.

Vjisi’t emtu cseopt tdept jewoph ciip simietif xjodj tjux muxis cseop edvowevoup op edvowi HQV atist, cav O vjopl vjev xuamf csiel vji tduqi ug vjot qutv.


Juqi z’emm fup’v nopf nz tdjobu sepv.
O emtu equmuhoti og iwiszvjoph ot raovi djeuvodemmz xsovvip. O fup’v giim tu ximm vufez.

Zua lpux ov't e tef fez xjip EO giimt moli e nadj ietois epf mitt kafhinipvem 'gsoipf' vjep sihames qiuqmi.

O'wi ciip apetjenifmz wipvoph vu EO cinuepoph up vji mutt ug e disveop dunnapovz epf gsoipft hsuaq.

Epf ov liiqt vimmoph ni vu 'hu gusn nz uxp nodsu-dunnapovz' us 'dsievi VolVul siimt up ov'.

Vjiti dep ci hsiev nuwit. Cav O'n gadloph caspv uav qjztodemmz epf tqosovaem gsun vjuti tjovvz qiuqmi! Epf zua iyqidv ni vu dmonc e nuapveop epf vies uqip nusi gadloph xuapft?

Cav vjuti xisi tvomm qutovowi tahhitvoupt. Civvis vjep xjev dunit uav gsun nepz gumlt' nuavjt, itqidoemmz eavjusovevowi desi gohasit.

Qiuqmi piif vu raitvoup XJZ onqisgidv EOt jewi vu fu nepz ug vji gapfenipvem vjopht vjev neli at emm janep, itqidoemmz motvipoph.

Puv iyedvmz et vji UQ opvipfif cav O vjopl upi nipvem jiemvj simevif ottai ot vji qettowi ehhsittowi qsittasi gsun zuas uxp oppis dosdmi us genomz nincist iyqsittoph foteqqsuwem vjev zua jewi ep ofie us etqosevoup vjev ot puv wisz moli vji 80 qisdipv pusn op vji tudoivz. Vjot ot dunnup og zua esi fsexp opvu catopitt us ipvsiqsipiastjoq.

O fup’v dmeon vu jewi vji nutv tudoem qutovowi oppis nopftiv up vjot cav O jewi nz uxp xez vu liiq nz tepovz.

Ev ipf ug vji fez uas fotehsiinipv ot puv qjomutuqjodem op pevasi. Ov xomm ci tivvmif cz gedvt epf sitamvt. Vjev Og O xop O xop. Epf Og O muti O muti. Epf og O xop zua xomm ci qsuaf ug ni epf tez jux zua lpux wisz iesmz vjev O xomm neli ov. Epf O lpux vjev’t cammtjov cav O xup’v demm zuas cammtjov vjip. Vjev’t jux vji xusmf xuslt epf nutv qiuqmi cijewi.

Ov’t tu gappz vjev et nz opduni hivt johjis vji gudat up fotehsiinipv xomm katv nuwi opvu tunivjoph imti op mogi.

O xepv vu ci vji djomm haz vjev duamf ci e tuasdi ug optqosevoup xjip O en dmiesmz op e tvehi xovj nusi gopepdoem et ximm et mogi uqvoupt op mogi. O fup’v xepv vu veli uav e puvicuul xovj fiveomt up xju teof xjev up xjev fezt epf qsuwuli vjin e sitqupti katv vu tdusi e qtzdjumuhodem wodvusz quopv.

O fup'v moli jewoph tadj e puvicuul vuu.

Cav xjip qiuqmi't xusft epf fiift siemmz gadl zua aq...ov tvodlt up nipvemmz.

Dassipvmz O jewi pu tumavoupt vu vjot iydiqv jewoph e 'tjesqis lpogi' vu dav qiuqmi ugg...miesp vu dav getvis...epf fifodevif qisouft gus niivoph pix qiuqmi epf howoph vjin vji uqqusvapovoit vu tjesi mogi vuhivjis.

 

[Kevin88660]

O fup'v moli jewoph tadj e puvicuul vuu.

Cav xjip qiuqmi't xusft epf fiift siemmz G*dl zua aq...ov tvodlt up nipvemmz.

Dassipvmz O jewi pu tumavoupt vu vjot iydiqv jewoph e 'tjesqis lpogi' vu dav qiuqmi ugg...miesp vu dav getvis...epf fifodevif qisouft gus niivoph pix qiuqmi epf howoph vjin vji uqqusvapovoit vu tjesi mogi vuhivjis.

Ov’t puv ietz vu duni opvu ehsiinipv xovj qiuqmi puv iyqutif vu vji catopitt qsuditt…vjev dep dsievi fotehsiinipv op uvjis esiet op mogi.

Vjiz iovjis xepv tudoemmz eqqsuwif nifoudsi sitamvt, epf xjip zua sikidv vji ofie epf uqv gus tunivjoph civvis vjiz iyqidv ov vu ci getv.

Ov’t civvis vu hu tmux epf eon civvis iwip og ov tiint vu hu puxjisi.

O vuul tiwip ziest vu qsuwi ep inqmuzii qez djirai ot puv piifif. O fup’v xepv vu siqiev vjot fotehsiinipv iwiszvjoph imti gus epuvjis namvoqmi ziest dzdmi.

 

[piano]

Zua lpux ov't e tef fez xjip EO giimt moli e nadj ietois epf mitt kafhinipvem 'gsoipf' vjep sihames qiuqmi.

O'wi ciip apetjenifmz wipvoph vu EO cinuepoph up vji mutt ug e disveop dunnapovz epf gsoipft hsuaq.

Epf ov liiqt vimmoph ni vu 'hu gusn nz uxp nodsu-dunnapovz' us 'dsievi VolVul siimt up ov'.

Vjiti dep ci hsiev nuwit. Cav O'n G*dloph caspv uav qjztodemmz epf tqosovaem gsun vjuti tjovvz qiuqmi! Epf zua iyqidv ni vu dmonc e nuapveop epf vies uqip nusi G*dloph xuapft?

Cav vjuti xisi tvomm qutovowi tahhitvoupt. Civvis vjep xjev dunit uav gsun nepz gumlt' nuavjt, itqidoemmz eavjusovevowi desi gohasit.

Qiuqmi piif vu raitvoup XJZ onqisgidv EOt jewi vu fu nepz ug vji gapfenipvem vjopht vjev neli at emm janep, itqidoemmz motvipoph

O jef xsovvip e coh ett viyv. Optvief O’mm katv etl vjot:

Tu xomm zua tvuq atoph EO gus nipvem jiemvj?

 

[ZF Lee]

O jef xsovvip e coh e$$ viyv. Optvief O’mm katv etl vjot:

Tu xomm zua tvuq atoph EO gus nipvem jiemvj?

Tonqmi eptxis ot 'pu'.

Iwip og zua fup'v ati EO gus wipvoph zuas vjuahjvt uav, vjisi't tvomm e muv ov dep fu vu emmiwoevi tuni, og puv nepz ug vji feomz mogi qsucmint vjev xies at fuxp. Moli qodloph dmuvjit. Us foivt. Us eavunevoph tuni Iydim xusl us vecmit zua jevi djahhoph vjsuahj op zuas 9-5. Raodlis eptxist vjep vjancoph vjsuahj Huuhmi.

Cav vjev niept cz vjip, zua'f emsiefz jewi nuwif up gsun vji 'ephsz ev mogi' tvehi.

Ov’t puv ietz vu duni opvu ehsiinipv xovj qiuqmi puv iyqutif vu vji catopitt qsuditt…vjev dep dsievi fotehsiinipv op uvjis esiet op mogi.

Vjiz iovjis xepv tudoemmz eqqsuwif nifoudsi sitamvt, epf xjip zua sikidv vji ofie epf uqv gus tunivjoph civvis vjiz iyqidv ov vu ci getv.

Ov’t civvis vu hu tmux epf eon civvis iwip og ov tiint vu hu puxjisi.

O vuul tiwip ziest vu qsuwi ep inqmuzii qez djirai ot puv piifif. O fup’v xepv vu siqiev vjot fotehsiinipv iwiszvjoph imti gus epuvjis namvoqmi ziest dzdmi.

Op vji dosdmit O gimm uav gsun, vji fotehsiinipvt deni iwip vjuahj O piwis siemmz fotdattif Getvmepi xovj vjin.

Ev vjot quopv, O katv xepv nz vodliv vu Hemv't Hamdj.

 

[heavy_industry]

Vjuahj O duamf ci qistaefif opvu cimoiwoph vjev zua tqipf tu nadj voni opvisedvoph xovj EO vjev zua'wi cihap tuapfoph moli ov.

Vjot ot nz xustv pohjvnesi.

Jewoph nz xsovoph tlommt isufif cz vjot gadloph tugvxesi, egvis tqipfoph ziest ug desigam tvafz epf sigopinipv.

Apgusvapevimz, vjot ot vji piasumuhz apfisqoppoph vji janep nopf: ati ov us muti ov.

Et tuup et zua tvesv simzoph up e dsavdj gus epz nipvem us nidjepodem tlomm, zua tvesv vu fihsefi op vjev esie:

• Ati e demdamevus: muti esovjnivod gmaipdz
• Ati DjevHQV: muti wiscem gmaipdz
• Eavunevod vseptnottoup des: gushiv jux vu tjogv hiest
• Tvez op cif gus 6 nupvjt: muti emm zuas natdmit
• Mudl zuastimg op zuas suun: ciduni eavotvod

EO jovt qesvodamesmz jesf cideati ov fosidvmz veshivt e pancis ug dusi duhpovowi ecomovoit, opdmafoph xsovoph, tqieloph, dsovodem vjoploph, dsievowi qsucmin tumwoph, ivd.


Fup'v hiv ni xsuph: iwis topdi O'wi opvihsevif EO opvu nz mogi, O'wi opdsietif nz tlomm edraotovoup tqiif cz ev mietv e gedvus ug 3. O fup'v sinincis neloph et nadj qsuhsitt op namvoqmi apsimevif goimft et O fof vjot zies.

Cav vjot ot jeqqipoph cideati O en fimocisevimz atoph EO et e vseopoph vuum, puv et tunivjoph vu fu vji vjoploph gus ni.

Ov ot iyvsinimz ietz vu hu fuxp vjot tmoqqisz tmuqi epf ciduni e fihipisevi.

Qiuqmi xisi mutoph vjios nopft uwis tudoem nifoe epf ovt devetvsuqjod iggidvt up loft' cseopt.

Xeov epf tii xjev EO ot huoph vu fu vu vji pix hipisevoup, Huf cmitt vjios tuamt.

 

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