Why are people so lazy nowadays? Is it a generation thing?

ZF Lee · Mar 23, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 48368" data-quote="WillHurtDontCare" data-source="post: 996328" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=996328" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-996328">WillHurtDontCare said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> This guy said it better than I could have:<br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/42697/" target="_blank">View attachment 42697</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>For me, it's walking 5-10km around 1-3AM because I missed the last bus home. <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <br /> Scariest shit as you could get nabbed anytime...but walking is a good way to build an awareness of navigation and get the blood pumping.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 60847" data-quote="Ocean Man" data-source="post: 996348" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=996348" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-996348">Ocean Man said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I'll have to respectfully disagree with this Sean guy. I don't know who he is but mental illness and depression absolutely matter. I understand what he's trying to say, but I don't think that's the right way to go about things. There's a difference between having a victim mindset and people with genuine mental illnesses that who can't get on with their day because of its effects. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yes...it's hard to truly judge on your own whether you really have mental illnesses, or its just a symptom of bad habits/environment.<br /> <br /> The best we can do is to try what we can control first. Do the sports...maybe shift to a new place...more sunlight...muffins for breakfast...church...whatever. And if it all doesn't work, then better to see a therapist. But if their only solution is to pump me with pills, then I'd scram.</div>

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Dionysos · Mar 23, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">It's definitely a generation thing. Though there are exceptions like a lot of people on this forum.<br /> <br /> Comfort, social media, gaming, porn etc. are crippling ppl.<br /> <br /> I guess considering so much ppl are lazy or have no work ethic/discipline it should be way easier to excel in anything!</div>

DWX · Mar 23, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 5905" data-quote="MTF" data-source="post: 995362" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=995362" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-995362">MTF said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> life’s easy when you live it the hard way and hard if you try to live it the easy way. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Love this. Should be a quote.</div>

MTF · Mar 23, 2022

Life is nothing but a succession of present moments, culminating in death. - Oliver Burkeman
Buscamos la estabilidad, el suelo firme bajo nuestros pies, pero la vida es cambio y, en realidad, se asemeja más al agua. - Nacho Dean
La liberté existe toujours. Il suffit d’en payer le prix. - Henry de Montherlant

Joey Murray · Mar 23, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 99973" data-quote="Martin Z" data-source="post: 995352" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=995352" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-995352">Martin Z said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> But also think you are seeing what happens when there is a growing disillusionment with the idea of the American Dream/Slowlane but you don't put anything constructive in its place. Imagine reading a book like the Fastlane but it's just the first half telling you that the sidewalk and slowlane are bullshit but then it offers no solutions. That's how a lot of younger people feel. None of this shit matters because "the American Dream is dead" so why bother? The void is then filled with apathy and atrophy and then you have what you have.</div>

MitchC · Mar 23, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 103233" data-quote="starttoday123" data-source="post: 995445" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=995445" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-995445">starttoday123 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I enjoyed reading this. The organization of how you wrote and interesting examples you gave made the information digestible, educational and enjoyable to read! I agree with so much of this and your writing is full of amazing insights!<br /> <br /> I make a great point about society blindling following religion in their own way.<br /> <br /> I’ve “studied” the Bible (aka I read like 50 pages of the Bible and speed read the whole book) over the last 5 years and essentially find many teachings in the Bible for success actually give such a similar plan to achieve success as the fastlane approach including lots of hard work which people just don’t get because society just doesn’t want to deal with that truth.<br /> <br /> Step one: Pray for exactly what you want aka Abram in Genesis prayed for the land he wanted (make a 1/5/10 plan)<br /> Step two: do all the HARD work that’s necessary even if you don’t want to and not work that you’ve chosen necessarily aka for Abram it was gathering a three year old heifer, a three year old she goat, a three year old ram, a turtle dove, and a young pigeon (aka Execution and doing the work necessary or else you won’t reach your goal)<br /> Step three: you’ll get what you prayed for aka inherit the land in the story of Abram (you’ll achieve an amazing, financially free life you planned in your 1/5/10 plan)<br /> <br /> My problem is I understand concepts really well but cannot for the life of me actually apply what I learn to my own life lol but I’m going to figure it out </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I’m not religious but I’m starting to get more interested as I get older. I love this verse.<br /> <br /> Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.</div>

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starttoday123 · Mar 24, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 996491" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=996491" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-996491">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I’m not religious but I’m starting to get more interested as I get older. I love this verse.<br /> <br /> Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Great verse. It's fun finding verses right</div>

K1 Lambo · Mar 24, 2022

Men in suits look really successful until you find out they work for men in pyjamas.

K1 Lambo · Mar 24, 2022

Men in suits look really successful until you find out they work for men in pyjamas.

Onakosa · Mar 25, 2022

“All my life I always wanted to be someone. I see now I should have been more specific.” ― Lily Tomlin

Cameraman · Mar 25, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">No, it isn't a generational thing. People haven't changed. What's changed is the environment they now have to live and operate in. Today there are more distractions, misinformation and short term rewards than ever but there are also more opportunities.<br /> <br /> I read this in a book back in the 1980s when it seemed like an amazing truth, and it's still true today. The book by the way was written in the 1920s.<br /> <br /> The environment you live in is always changing. Learn to manage it rather than allow it to run your life. You are the product of your decisions and people today are the same as they were 100 years ago. There were lazy people then and there are lazy people today.<br /> <br /> What may have changed is that people now expect more and are led to believe they can achieve more without effort. Having said that, this has also always been the case. You only have to look back at some of the information products being sold through classified ads 50 years ago.</div>

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Silverfox148 · Mar 25, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">Interesting discussion, humans are still humans but the environment has a tremendous impact on us, in fact a very outsized influence as we are very tuned to the environment as that is how we became an apex predator/species. We have never seen an environment in human history as we see now, when I say environment I mean food availability, social media, the mass amount of confort, etc. <br /> <br /> As human beings we are not built for the current environment, we can adapt to a certain extent but there is an individual limit. I actually see Mother Nature at work here, in that if a species is extracting way to much resources and becoming so successful, there is an inborn kill switch. One could argue we see that in the west today.</div>

K1 Lambo · Mar 25, 2022

Men in suits look really successful until you find out they work for men in pyjamas.

Joey Murray · Mar 26, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 87355" data-quote="Onakosa" data-source="post: 996731" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=996731" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-996731">Onakosa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> They are mentally undisciplined and lazy because they've never been taught how to be anything else. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I saw this in university years ago. <br /> <br /> We had one exercise where you were supposed to build an argument that made talking points for the position *opposite* of what you actually thought. <br /> <br /> Most of the class couldn't do it. "But I don't agree with that." They weren't able to conform a constructive argument that challenged their own beliefs. Delve into any general thread on politics or conversational topics and you'll see this mechanism at work in a majority of the general populous.</div>

DonnyDinero · Mar 27, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">I'm a Gen Z. I say good, less competition.</div>

K1 Lambo · Mar 27, 2022

Men in suits look really successful until you find out they work for men in pyjamas.

DWX · Mar 27, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">Never been a better time for those willing to roll up their sleeves and wade into deeper waters.</div>

K1 Lambo · Mar 27, 2022

Men in suits look really successful until you find out they work for men in pyjamas.

chimichangatime · Mar 29, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 51608" data-quote="WJK" data-source="post: 995812" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=995812" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-995812">WJK said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It's not a generational thing. It's simply human nature. We have people in every generation who are lazy and thoughtless. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Why did I have to scroll so far to see this? It's just how people are. <b>There are no bygone glory days.</b> There's nothing to go back to to make your country "great again." People romanticize things all the time, but I had chicken pox and measles growing up but my kids never will. My parents drove cars that were literal deathtraps that could never be sold new today. Poeple at work have the right not to be poisoned/deformed/abused/etc. by their employers. Progress! <br /> <br /> I started working at 13 but I specifically do NOT want my kids to do that - besides, they don't need to, they need to be kids. Beating your kids isn't "the good old days" and doesn't make them better adults - and tons of research supports this. This is PROGRESS. <br /> <br /> Kids shouldn't be up at 0430 plowing fields then going to school, they need to sleep. They need to play. Why is that period of the industrial revolution the model? Because YOU think it makes people "good" or "better?" I don't and neither does the science.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 60847" data-quote="Ocean Man" data-source="post: 996348" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=996348" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-996348">Ocean Man said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I'll have to respectfully disagree with this Sean guy. I don't know who he is but mental illness and depression absolutely matter. I understand what he's trying to say, but I don't think that's the right way to go about things. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah, having feelings doesn't make you a "pussy." You have those feelings, they're not optional - you're human. Suppressing them and raging in a fight isn't really the best way for 99.9% of people to deal with their feelings. You have them, FEEL them. And if you're depressed, that's real, too, and that we have tools and medications to recognize and treat it is NOT a sign of weakness, it's a sign that, in fact, the world IS A BETTER PLACE.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 87355" data-quote="Onakosa" data-source="post: 996731" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=996731" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-996731">Onakosa said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Accordingly, kids tend to leave full time education pretty much incapable of being able to quietly sit down, read a book properly, formulate a proper argument backed up with sources, references etc. They are mentally undisciplined and lazy because they've never been taught how to be anything else. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I don't know where you were a teacher, and I agree this is a problem, but let's talk about the parental role here. My kids all went to public school and they are capable of reading a book properly - in fact, we read to them from day 1 and now they're voracious readers, and they excel in their AP classes. <br /> <br /> My kids also have a LOT of screen time. You know what? A gaming headset and a Steam account is the modern "hanging out at the mall." Kids DO hang out and socialize, just not how most of us did. That's not bad, it's just different. We also go camping/hiking, go out as a family, hang out at home as a family. But that's what WE choose to do. My siblings have more "free range" kids. Some of my friends are helicopter parents. To each their own, I'm not saying what I'm doing is right and I'm sure I'm often wrong! (where's that damned Kids Instruction Manual? I swear it was just on the coffee table...)<br /> <br /> <br /> The world has issues, but The Kids are Alright <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>

WJK · Mar 29, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 54911" data-quote="chimichangatime" data-source="post: 997448" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=997448" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-997448">chimichangatime said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Why did I have to scroll so far to see this? It's just how people are. <b>There are no bygone glory days.</b> There's nothing to go back to to make your country "great again." People romanticize things all the time, but I had chicken pox and measles growing up but my kids never will. My parents drove cars that were literal deathtraps that could never be sold new today. Poeple at work have the right not to be poisoned/deformed/abused/etc. by their employers. Progress!<br /> <br /> I started working at 13 but I specifically do NOT want my kids to do that - besides, they don't need to, they need to be kids. Beating your kids isn't "the good old days" and doesn't make them better adults - and tons of research supports this. This is PROGRESS.<br /> <br /> Kids shouldn't be up at 0430 plowing fields then going to school, they need to sleep. They need to play. Why is that period of the industrial revolution the model? Because YOU think it makes people "good" or "better?" I don't and neither does the science.<br /> <br /> <br /> Yeah, having feelings doesn't make you a "pussy." You have those feelings, they're not optional - you're human. Suppressing them and raging in a fight isn't really the best way for 99.9% of people to deal with their feelings. You have them, FEEL them. And if you're depressed, that's real, too, and that we have tools and medications to recognize and treat it is NOT a sign of weakness, it's a sign that, in fact, the world IS A BETTER PLACE.<br /> <br /> <br /> I don't know where you were a teacher, and I agree this is a problem, but let's talk about the parental role here. My kids all went to public school and they are capable of reading a book properly - in fact, we read to them from day 1 and now they're voracious readers, and they excel in their AP classes.<br /> <br /> My kids also have a LOT of screen time. You know what? A gaming headset and a Steam account is the modern "hanging out at the mall." Kids DO hang out and socialize, just not how most of us did. That's not bad, it's just different. We also go camping/hiking, go out as a family, hang out at home as a family. But that's what WE choose to do. My siblings have more "free range" kids. Some of my friends are helicopter parents. To each their own, I'm not saying what I'm doing is right and I'm sure I'm often wrong! (where's that damned Kids Instruction Manual? I swear it was just on the coffee table...)<br /> <br /> <br /> The world has issues, but The Kids are Alright <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Over my lifetime, I've raised two families. I have 2 sons who are around 50 years old, and then my stepkids who are 24 and 26 years old. All are working, productive people. Yes, all of my kids are "Alright".</div>

K1 Lambo · Mar 30, 2022

Men in suits look really successful until you find out they work for men in pyjamas.

Onakosa · Mar 30, 2022

“All my life I always wanted to be someone. I see now I should have been more specific.” ― Lily Tomlin

Onakosa · Mar 30, 2022

“All my life I always wanted to be someone. I see now I should have been more specific.” ― Lily Tomlin

Velo · Mar 30, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">There were plenty of lazy people back in the day as well. You just didn't hear about them as much as you hear about them now since social media is flooded with those types.<br /> <br /> People did not "buckle down" and do the grind as they would have you believe. Recreational drugs, smoking w/ their pals, boozing at the bar, slacking off at work, etc. were all common.</div>

Velo · Mar 30, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">Actually let me rephrase this topic in another perspective - one that is based on a subject hopefully more "neutral" than "he said, she said" - <b>behavioral economics.<br /> <br /> Let us assume that it IS true that younger people today are much lazier. (We can define "lazy" as "less likely to engage in productive work that generates some sort of monetary return")</b><br /> <br /> Why is that?<br /> <br /> Consider the forms of non-illicit entertainment people had back in 1960:<br /> <br /> - TV<br /> - Boys outside with toy guns (back then nobody was idiot enough to call the police on anyone who held a toy that LOOKed like a gun), sticks, running up hills, climbing trees, pranking each other. Girls would play with dolls or roleplay as queens/princesses or learn from mommy how to do house chores or whatever (I'm not a girl so I have no idea what they actually did, but we can assume something along these lines)<br /> - Family time like church, driving to various cities/across state lines, playing board/card games, etc.<br /> - Reading books<br /> <br /> Basically the typical activities prior to the computer age. These are fun but not even remotely addicting.<br /> <br /> People naturally would find other things to do with their time, <b>and you might expect "working for money" to be one of them. </b><br /> <br /> <br /> Now compare the prior to 2020+ (or anytime after 2005):<br /> <br /> Today, people have social media, video games (I had a problem with playing too much VGs), smartphones, and other media that turns many people into self-indulgent pseudo-narcissists.<br /> <br /> <br /> The <b>opportunity cost </b>is now higher. Logically speaking any time you engage in non-entertainment, you have to forgo entertainment, which indeed delivers more "value" than it did back in 1960. So whatever it is you DO END UP DOING (non-entertainment) makes you double-think whether it's worth it or not <br /> <br /> <b><i>"Hmm, do I work for a fast food place for $12/hr when a single restaurant meal costs MINIMUM $7 or do I play Animal Crossing (</i></b>or whatever games normies like these days, I have no idea<b><i>) on the Switch?"</i></b><br /> <br /> Don't forget to factor in real COL increases (which, if you've ever done the actual math, should be higher than the reported/"official" inflation rate).<br /> <br /> So a behavioral economist without a bone in the fight would conclude, if that assumption were true, <b>that people "being lazy" is likely due to the fact the opportunity cost (of giving up entertainment) is much higher than it was before.<br /> <br /> <br /> Edit: </b>I know the mindset of Fastlane entrepreneurs, which I accepted long ago but didn't put into practice until very recently, is to provide enough value so that you can slowly detach your "value generating" machine from your time.<br /> <br /> However, you have to consider the FACT the vast majority of both Slowlaners + Sidewalkers, who comprise the majority of the population, are unable to provide more than something like $30/hr of value, IF EVEN THAT. This is not even remotely close to a level that can provide ANY degree of "financial freedom."<br /> <br /> So "being lazy" might actually seem like a rational choice in this case if <b>the person in question truly believes s/he is incapable of increasing value delivered. </b><br /> <br /> In fact, one of the reasons I got off VGs quite easily is SPECIFICALLY due to the fact I am very confident (85%+) now I can increase value delivered to a much higher level than I previously thought.</div>

FlorianR · Apr 12, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper">I don’t think people are lazy. They’re just tired of working and receiving so little compared to what past generations enjoyed.<br /> <br /> If the minimum wage properly kept up with productivity it would be over 21 dollars an hour today.<br /> <br /> Back when my dad entered the workforce in the 80s, his starting salary right out of college equaled around $155k/yr in today’s dollars… as a BUSINESS major with a bachelors degree.<br /> <br /> Now, you can barely get a job for 60k/yr with that same degree if you’re lucky.<br /> <br /> Stagnating wages, relentless rise in cost of living combined with crushing debt that previous generations never had to face are affecting how my generation views the world today.</div>

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WJK · Apr 12, 2022

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 92673" data-quote="FlorianR" data-source="post: 999734" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=999734" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-999734">FlorianR said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don’t think people are lazy. They’re just tired of working and receiving so little compared to what past generations enjoyed.<br /> <br /> If the minimum wage properly kept up with inflation it would be over 24 dollars an hour today.<br /> <br /> Back when my dad was growing up in the 80s, his starting salary right out of college would equal around $155k/yr in today’s dollars… as a BUSINESS major with a bachelors degree.<br /> <br /> Now, you can barely get a job for 60k/yr with that same degree if you’re lucky.<br /> <br /> Stagnating wages, relentless rise in cost of living combined with crushing debt that previous generations never had to face is affecting how my generation views the world today. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I really wonder about your numbers. <br /> <br /> #1 -- your dad was a male so he had a much higher salary than the rest of us.<br /> <br /> In the 50s, having 2 cars was rare. Money was very short. No one ate out -- we cooked every meal.<br /> <br /> My student minimum wage when I started working in public in 1970 was $1.35. When I turned 18 in 1972, it was $1.85. After going to college, I thought I'd be rich IF I could make $5.00 per hour. It didn't happen for years and years. So, I went into real estate and became a salesman so they'd have to pay me like a man.<br /> <br /> You just don't know what you don't know. Talk to some of us who lived it!</div>

DistressedDenim · May 19, 2023

<div class="bbWrapper">Basically, it's mostly a bunch of spoiled brats who have been given iPhones and instant gratification their whole lives, who look up to celebrities, who make it look easy, and whom you can see their every move with one click. <br /> <br /> So their expectations of how much they'll need to work are that they won't, and their expectations of what they'll get as a result are that they'll get <b><i>a whole lot</i></b> in return for <b><i>zero work</i></b>. <br /> <br /> When that doesn't happen, most people just take it personally, which is <b>understandable </b>for people who<i> grew up in a school system that doesn't teach any applicable studies, such as mindset, and rather teaches how to be a rote worker.</i><br /> <br /> After this, the game is over. They decide that they just don't have what it takes to be a successful person. They have a fixed mindset.<br /> <br /> If more schools would teach things such as mindset and other real success skills, we'd see a change, no doubt.</div>

Bigguns50 · May 19, 2023

<div class="bbWrapper">I encounter way too many lazy people here in Sedona, AZ. From phone calls where they assume I must be Google, to past hired tour guides that just didn't cut it because of laziness. I talk to a lot of other business owners and concierges and I hear the same from them. <br /> <br /> On the positive side....all that laziness makes it easier for me to achieve what I want because "it's hard". So a shout-out to the lazy people!</div>

Jon822 · May 19, 2023

<div class="bbWrapper">I love lazy people -- they're easy to sell to.</div>

Why are people so lazy nowadays? Is it a generation thing?

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