Who here bodybuilds?

[lifer]

Are you talking about TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy), is that considered a steroid? I heard about a lot of older guys taking it...not just to get big and buff but to have all the benefits of a bit more testosterone. Now that seems normal to me haha, but I wouldn't do something like that until about 30+ years from now I bet.

I am on TRT too, but it's self medicated and much higher than what a doctor would prescribe. It makes it easier to maintain massive amounts of muscle that wasn't gained naturally. The only difference between TRT and abusing steroids is the dosages.

 

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[parkerscott]

Bingo.

You said your goal is to reach your natural limits. How about a number? How much do you want to weigh? At what % BF? What about the weights you lift? Reps? Sets?

I will 1 rep max 5 plates for squat and deadlift by March 30, 2014. Bench 3 and a quarter. I'll maintain a bodyweight of 195 but lower my BF to 7%. THIS is how you should set your goals. Same goes for your macros.

HongKingKong is right in that BB does require a time commitment. Preparing meals, eating, commute to gym, exercising, sleeping, etc all add up. I've been living the lifestyle for a solid 5+ years and can certainly attest to his point. I love it though, so I don't mind one bit.

Let me know if I can help you with anything

The only problem with this is that i do set goals but they are not always attainable do to genetics which is variably different from other goals like making money. Sure i could say i want a 5 plate deadlift in two years but thats not always attainable genetically. Im wanting to get up to a 3 plate bench by this summer but work is terrible on my body, and im cutting down on weight from my previous bulk. Once i start bulking again the goal will be more attainable but i cant add 10lbs to my lifts every week due to genetics.

 

[Daniel A]

I am on TRT too, but it's self medicated and much higher than what a doctor would prescribe. It makes it easier to maintain massive amounts of muscle that wasn't gained naturally. The only difference between TRT and abusing steroids is the dosages.

I'm not on TRT, but who knows maybe in a few decades? So do you get it online or at a store?


PS: I think this is a video you guys will like

 

[Likwid24]

Crossfit Crossfit Crossfit. Can't say enough about it. It changed my whole philosophy on working out. Don't think I'll ever work out another way again.

 

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[theag]

Crossfit Crossfit Crossfit. Can't say enough about it. It changed my whole philosophy on working out. Don't think I'll ever work out another way again.

But this thread is about bodybuilding

http://www.t-nation.com/training/crossfit-the-good-bad-and-the-ugly

 

[Gsuz]

 

[supermannpc]

I was a National Level Bodybuilder for about 5 years.
You guys are right there is not enough time to completely focus on fast lane and bodybuilding.
When my business started picking up I decided to let it go. That dedication and drive from bodybuilding has helped me push my business in the right direction.

 

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[Likwid24]

LOL

 

[parkerscott]

loving the crossfit memes lol

 

[MJ DeMarco]

That dedication and drive from bodybuilding has helped me push my business in the right direction

I truly believe that the dedication and commitment for bodybuilding success (or some other world class athletic pursuit) is the same for entrepreneurship as well. There aren't a lot of shortcuts. Just hard work, dedication, persistence, and patience. They are two truly process oriented endeavors. .

 

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[Daniel A]

You can re-title this article "Why Being An Athlete Helps You As An Entrepreneur"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkw...y-you-should-fill-your-company-with-athletes/

 

[quickdrawyall]

Switched to the dark side eh? I've seen many people make the switch, seems like once you go down this path there is no coming back. Unless you're competing I don't really see why you would need to.

For a lot of people it's not about a need. I think it's like taking Modafinil or Nootropics for entrepreneurs. You could get by and do well without it, but sometimes it's just about pushing your limits. There's something about being able to operate at a level that's beyond what your body could normally do. It's just a matter of personal opinion. The health side effects commonly spouted are debatable, and who doesn't want their results faster?
If your fast lane business could be up in 6 months instead of a year if you took Modafinil and a bunch of nootropics, would you do it?
The same applies to steroids or hormones. If you could have your goal body in 6 months instead of a year, would you do it?

Personally, I don't currently use. But there are one or two hormones with minimal side effects that I'd consider under the right conditions. For example, personally I hate the idea of dropping fat and losing any strength, so there are a couple very mild steroids that are cutting agents that help build lean myofibrillar tissue.
It really just depends on every person and exactly what they want to achieve. It's just a shame that so many people attach it to being a moral issue. It's only immoral if you lie about it and say you're natural.

 

[Hong King Kong]

For a lot of people it's not about a need. I think it's like taking Modafinil or Nootropics for entrepreneurs. You could get by and do well without it, but sometimes it's just about pushing your limits. There's something about being able to operate at a level that's beyond what your body could normally do. It's just a matter of personal opinion. The health side effects commonly spouted are debatable, and who doesn't want their results faster?
If your fast lane business could be up in 6 months instead of a year if you took Modafinil and a bunch of nootropics, would you do it?
The same applies to steroids or hormones. If you could have your goal body in 6 months instead of a year, would you do it?
Personally, I don't currently use. But there are one or two hormones with minimal side effects that I'd consider under the right conditions. For example, personally I hate the idea of dropping fat and losing any strength, so there are a couple very mild steroids that are cutting agents that help build lean myofibrillar tissue.
It really just depends on every person and exactly what they want to achieve. It's just a shame that so many people attach it to being a moral issue. It's only immoral if you lie about it and say you're natural.

I'd take the Modafinil if it guarantees a fastlane business in 6 months. Why? Because after that it will be separate from my time, making me money passively. Then I would quit taking Modafinil and go enjoy my life.

Roids on the other hand... even if it can guarantee your "goal body" in 6 months... you can't just quit working out and stop taking roids. You'd lose your gains and start growing gyno. To maintain a fit body you gotta continuously work out anyway, now you gotta take roids too. And roids can get expensive... so thats why I say you dont need it unless you're competing and need the edge to win

I got no "moral issues" against users. Financially I just dont think its a smart choice unless you are in a competition or have low testosterone levels.

 

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[Likwid24]

This guy is Great!

 

[quickdrawyall]

I'd take the Modafinil if it guarantees a fastlane business in 6 months. Why? Because after that it will be separate from my time, making me money passively. Then I would quit taking Modafinil and go enjoy my life.

Roids on the other hand... even if it can guarantee your "goal body" in 6 months... you can't just quit working out and stop taking roids. You'd lose your gains and start growing gyno. To maintain a fit body you gotta continuously work out anyway, now you gotta take roids too. And roids can get expensive... so thats why I say you dont need it unless you're competing and need the edge to win

I got no "moral issues" against users. Financially I just dont think its a smart choice unless you are in a competition or have low testosterone levels.

Well with a fast lane business you would spend at least some time on it even after the 6 months.

And actually with some steroids you will not get gyno, as they don't aromatize, are very mild, and don't lose your gains because they're not wet gainers. It's all dense myofibrillar tissue.

It really just depends. But drugs like epistane, Anavar, and probably even Winstrol are not drugs that you would need to keep taking.

The gains you would see on those are ones that you would keep, simply with maintaining with about 4 hours as you would with your fast lane business, probably, and eating enough protein and generally tracking your macronutrient intake to maintain.
It would not at all be crazy to think there are a couple steroids that would accelerate your journey to your goal body that you could keep there without harsh side effects.

To be clear, I'm not recommending it or saying you should or shouldn't, just that those are in fact possible things. Not all steroids are out there to make you huge

 

[nileez]

I don't ever see myself going back to training natural. I have to admit that I love steroids. Partly because I had low testosterone to begin with. The depression, insecurities etc were all gone. I'm not even sure if I like the mental effects more than the physical.

Nice. How long had you been training before starting to take roids? Also, what motivated you to go non-natty?

 

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[Vigilante]

ME.

Oh no, wait. Shit. I don't.

Sorry.

 

[AllenCrawley]

ME.
Oh no, wait. Shit. I don't.
Sorry.

I saw your name next to this thread and thought "why is Vig posting in this thread? I know he's not bodybuilding, lol."

 

[Vigilante]

Hey. It's no easy feat to maintain this physique.

 

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[hotshot]

Haha. Vig you should totally start bodybuilding. Or anyone else considering it.

I started out just trying to look good. Nobody ever explained just how good it would feel. Probably because you just have to try it yourself. My back pain went away. No more issues sleeping. I'm a lifer

 

[Det]

I'm not on TRT, but who knows maybe in a few decades? So do you get it online or at a store?

Legally - pharmaceutical grade prescription from a doctor.

Guess this guy's age:

He's 72.

You can find more about TRT and this guy here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21151163

 

[Daniel A]

Legally - pharmaceutical grade prescription from a doctor.

Guess this guy's age:

He's 72.

You can find more about TRT and this guy here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21151163

Damn, that's awesome he is in the 1% of the 1% of 70 y/o with a great body I bet haha. I don't need it right now (I had my blood drawn to check T levels recently, I thought I had low T though) but like I said when I get older I will most likely take TRT or something similar to keep myself in top shape.

I first heard about TRT on a podcast I listen to. Joe Rogan, he's the guy who hosts the podcast I'm talking about and apparently he is on HGH and TRT. Google "Joe Rogan TRT" and you'll find some clips of him talking about it I bet. Thanks for the article and pic!

 

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[recon187]

I've been doing Mix Martial arts the last few years. I've been rolling with the local ex 9 time world champion and my body just can't take the beatings anymore. I've since started lifting exclusively a month ago. I'm hoping for less injuries and definitely fewer black eyes been looking into the 5x5 lifts program. wish me luck.