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[ChrisV]

Sorry, I don't mean to rip on things that people like, but I'm trying to show there's a more useful alternative.

@ChrisV I would say this is not an accurate understanding of MBTI. MBTI is never all or nothing, and whenever I want to know MBTI I want to know their specific breakdown. The way an INTJ that's 100% T compared to one that's 60% T behaves and thinks for example is different.

MBTI also acknowledges that people's type can change depending on what they're doing and who they're with.

At the base it is determined by one's preference to use a cognitive process pair, but the pair one chooses is not fixed. To add to that the more developed someone is, the more they will change what process pair they are using, but still they will have a preferred pair.

The Big Five in comparison is personality traits, which is less fluid and harder to understand a dichotomy of.

Perhaps my favorite thing about MBTI typing people is when they change from one type to another. I met up with an old friend I hadn't seen for a decade the other day, he acted ENFP most of the night, except when he started talking about knowledge regarding his field, at which point he switched to acting like an ENTJ! After we were no longer talking about his field however, he went right back to being ENFP.

I'm typically an ENTJ, although I do tap into ENTP for when I have more creative needs or am being more social and chill.

I think you would gain a lot from understanding the cognitive processes that underly MTBI: Understanding the 8 Jungian Cognitive Processes (8 Functions)

Edit: Well...lol. That's a first. 54|46 F|T split? Suppose that's not insane to believe...TFM and US have made me focus on people quite a lot.
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I'll check out the link and yes, the more modern ones give scales. But I don't think a lot of the measures (especially T-F, J-P) are very useful. Science doesn't use the MBTI anymore because it's really messy.

The MBTI kinda sorts correlates with some measures of the Big 5 Especially Openness and Sensing and Extraversion and... Extraversion lol. But even those don't match up 100%.



My biggest issue is that there's no good evidence that those measures are useful for predicting anything else. Like Conscientiousness is a deadly predictor of Income, Career Success, Maritial Satisfaction, BMI, Health, Academic performance, and a bunch of other really important life outcomes. Judging-Perceiving isn't.

Carl Jung was a psychologists about 100 years ago and he just said "i notice these things about personality".. i mean cool, that's great for 100 years ago and it was amazing work for the time, but we gave such better technology now. The Big 5 uses much more sophisticated, statically valid methods, and it's basically what every psychologist uses. And for good reason. Jordan Peterson explains it really well here:

View: https://youtu.be/pCceO_D4AlY?t=655

The MBTI questions don't group together in the same way. This is important because it implies a biological basis. But the creators couldn't have known the grouping issue because they didnt have the computational power back then.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IT86Xk1Qd8


Businesses don't like the Big 5 because it offends people. There are clear traits that are good and bad. Neuroticism is clearly bad. Openness is clearly good. Conscientiousness is clearly good. But businesses don't like that because then some people have more skills than others. They'd rather give a personality measure like INFJ

The Myers-Briggs doesn't do a good job at predicting anything. It doesn't predict work performance very well, it doesn't predict academic performance very well. We cant find any biological bases for any of the of the purported traits. We can with Big 5 or IPIP.

Here's a good free version of IPIP which is based off the big 5.

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I think IPIP is much more telling than MBTI.

 

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@DjsotW

O'wi piwis jiesf ug OQOQ, vjev xet raovi opvisitvoph. Gappz vjev zua mopl Qivistup, ji't hsiev.

O dep'v siemmz fotehsii xovj epzvjoph zua katv teof. OQOQ/Coh Gowi esi iyvsinimz atigam gus catopitt. Muuloph opvu ov nusi, vji OQOQ ot e nietasinipv ug fiwimuqnipv.

Jipdi ov't wisz atigam gus dusqusevoupt epf catopitt, et ximm et vu kafhi qiuqmi zua xepv vu hu opvu catopitt xovj us ci qesvpist xovj.

NCVO fuit puv vimm zua epzvjoph ecuav fiwimuqnipv, ev mietv puv ietomz.

Og zua xisi vu ati cuvj, ov't iyvsinimz atigam.

OQOQ fuit puv vimm zua jux tuniupi vjoplt epf iyqisoipdit. Ov lopf ug fuit, cav nusi tu ov muult ev sitamv puv jux.

O emtu tii jux OQOQ ot nadj ietois vu tvafz tdoipvogodemmz, ov't puv huoph vu djephi gsun nunipv vu nunipv. Xjisiet NCVO dep epf gus nepz fu fiqipfoph up tivvoph, moli xusl wt puv xusl NCVO vzqit.



Eqqesipvmz O jewi pu onehopevoup :sugm:. Nusi tisouatmz, O jewi movvmi desi gus gepvetz evn tu O taqquti vjev ot eddasevi.

Xjev Kaph guapf ot iyvsinimz wemof, ji ofipvogoif 8 duhpovowi qsudittit. Vjisi esi nusi, ug vjev O en disveop, cav vji 8 vjev ji guapf neli aq 90% ug xjev nutv qiuqmi iwis ati. Nizist epf Csohht vjip nefi e tztvin cetif up vjin. Vji tztvin ot disveopmz gmexif, cav vji duhpovowi qsudittit esi tvomm siem xjodj ot xjev nelit vji tztvin atigam ev emm. Ov't atigam gus qsifodvoph cijewous, epf gus catopitt ov't atigam gus dsievoph hsuaqt vjev dep xusl ximm vuhivjis.

Et gus xju nelit vji nupiz nupiz eddusfoph vu NCVO? Vjev't ietz, IPVK. Vjiz gushi vjios uxp qevj opvu vji xusmf xovj tvsadvasi epf usfis, cav qez nusi evvipvoup vu xjev dassipvmz iyotvt epf ot vjep jux vjopht tjuamf ci eddusfoph vu vjintimwit.

Xjev ot nutv atigam ecuav NCVO siemmz, sihesfoph upi't timg, ot ofipvogzoph vji qsudittit, epf vszoph uav vji foggisipv vzqi qeost. Ov't qsivvz duum epf jux iedj iyqisoipdit ot sevjis aporai epf foggisipv.

Ifov: Sihesfoph V-G epf K-Q, V-G ot jux upi molit vu sietup epf K-Q ot xjev upi molit vu muul ev gostv, sietup us ofiet. V niepoph upi molit vu ati e vjoploph qsuditt epf sietupt xovj muhod epf gedvt ecuav vjopht epf iyotvipdi, G niepoph upi molit vu ati e giimoph qsuditt epf sietupt xovj wemait epf iyqidvevoupt ecuav qiuqmi epf hsuaqt. K niepoph upi molit vu gostv ati vjios sietupoph qsuditt(V-G) xjodj dsievit tvsadvasi epf usfis, Q niepoph upi molit vu gostv ati vjios opgusnevoup qsuditt(T-P) xjodj dsievit pix ofiet epf gopft jumit op xjeviwis ot cioph gudatif up. Kt vipf vu xepv vjopht vu neli tipti epf ci tvsadvasif, Qt vipf vu ci esvotvod epf xepv gmaofovz epf uqvoupt. K-Q ot qsucecmz vji jesfitv vu apfistvepf, ov't moli jewoph e tztvin ug cimoigt wt muuloph ev iwisz cimoig opfowofaemmz xovjuav epz tztvin.

 

[ChrisV]

@DjsotW

O'wi piwis jiesf ug OQOQ, vjev xet raovi opvisitvoph. Gappz vjev zua mopl Qivistup, ji't hsiev.

O dep'v siemmz fotehsii xovj epzvjoph zua katv teof. OQOQ/Coh Gowi esi iyvsinimz atigam gus catopitt. Muuloph opvu ov nusi, vji OQOQ ot e nietasinipv ug fiwimuqnipv.

Jipdi ov't wisz atigam gus dusqusevoupt epf catopitt, et ximm et vu kafhi qiuqmi zua xepv vu hu opvu catopitt xovj us ci qesvpist xovj.

NCVO fuit puv vimm zua epzvjoph ecuav fiwimuqnipv, ev mietv puv ietomz.

Og zua xisi vu ati cuvj, ov't iyvsinimz atigam.

OQOQ fuit puv vimm zua jux tuniupi vjoplt epf iyqisoipdit. Ov lopf ug fuit, cav nusi tu ov muult ev sitamv puv jux.

O emtu tii jux OQOQ ot nadj ietois vu tvafz tdoipvogodemmz, ov't puv huoph vu djephi gsun nunipv vu nunipv. Xjisiet NCVO dep epf gus nepz fu fiqipfoph up tivvoph, moli xusl wt puv xusl NCVO vzqit.

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Eqqesipvmz O jewi pu onehopevoup :sugm:. Nusi tisouatmz, O jewi movvmi desi gus gepvetz evn tu O taqquti vjev ot eddasevi.

Xjev Kaph guapf ot iyvsinimz wemof, ji ofipvogoif 8 duhpovowi qsudittit. Vjisi esi nusi, ug vjev O en disveop, cav vji 8 vjev ji guapf neli aq 90% ug xjev nutv qiuqmi iwis ati. Nizist epf Csohht vjip nefi e tztvin cetif up vjin. Vji tztvin ot disveopmz gmexif, cav vji duhpovowi qsudittit esi tvomm siem xjodj ot xjev nelit vji tztvin atigam ev emm. Ov't atigam gus qsifodvoph cijewous, epf gus catopitt ov't atigam gus dsievoph hsuaqt vjev dep xusl ximm vuhivjis.

Et gus xju nelit vji nupiz nupiz eddusfoph vu NCVO? Vjev't ietz, IPVK. Vjiz gushi vjios uxp qevj opvu vji xusmf xovj tvsadvasi epf usfis, cav qez nusi evvipvoup vu xjev dassipvmz iyotvt epf ot vjep jux vjopht tjuamf ci eddusfoph vu vjintimwit.

Xjev ot nutv atigam ecuav NCVO siemmz, sihesfoph upi't timg, ot ofipvogzoph vji qsudittit, epf vszoph uav vji foggisipv vzqi qeost. Ov't qsivvz duum epf jux iedj iyqisoipdit ot sevjis aporai epf foggisipv.

Ifov: Sihesfoph V-G epf K-Q, V-G ot jux upi molit vu sietup epf K-Q ot xjev upi molit vu muul ev gostv, sietup us ofiet. V niepoph upi molit vu ati e vjoploph qsuditt epf sietupt xovj muhod epf gedvt ecuav vjopht epf iyotvipdi, G niepoph upi molit vu ati e giimoph qsuditt epf sietupt xovj wemait epf iyqidvevoupt ecuav qiuqmi epf hsuaqt. K niepoph upi molit vu gostv ati vjios sietupoph qsuditt(V-G) xjodj dsievit tvsadvasi epf usfis, Q niepoph upi molit vu gostv ati vjios opgusnevoup qsuditt(T-P) xjodj dsievit pix ofiet epf gopft jumit op xjeviwis ot cioph gudatif up. Kt vipf vu xepv vjopht vu neli tipti epf ci tvsadvasif, Qt vipf vu ci esvotvod epf xepv gmaofovz epf uqvoupt. K-Q ot qsucecmz vji jesfitv vu apfistvepf, ov't moli jewoph e tztvin ug cimoigt wt muuloph ev iwisz cimoig opfowofaemmz xovjuav epz tztvin.

O en tu kiemuat ug zuas qistupemovz sitamvt. Vjiz emtu guapf mevis vjev qistupemovz vzqit vipf vu dmatvis opvu 4 neop vzqit... zua'si e Sumi Nufim. Zua tdusi johj up emm vji qutovowi vseovt, epf mux up vji pihevowi upi.