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Since when do we make comments/statements within a thread and then decide that the topic is closed for further reply/discussion? MJ, I suppose I could understand if you wanted to make a PSA and were not intending to start a discussion - but, then again, I thought this place thrived on feedback/suggestions?

Is that not the basis of these (and other) forums? Discussion?

I, for one, happen to agree that learning as much as possible about the past (particularly the actions which led us to where we are today, regarding bailout) can absolutely advance your ability to position yourself properly for the future. Without complete understanding of what is possible, you are working in a silo and become vulnerable to outside risks, which you may not even understand.

I also agree that the blaming (when used for ranting/whining as opposed to further understanding) is a complete waste of time.

I look forward to coming to this site – lately, to read the thoughts/opinions on the current market and related causes. Many people, in my world, have no interest in understanding the situation any further than ‘whah….poor me’. In contrast, here, I feel like most people are looking to really dissect the issue and understand it. I have actually told several people, in recent weeks, about the Fastlane – specifically because they showed real interest in understanding how this (bailout situation) happened and wanted to have an intelligent discussion about it.

I don’t pretend to understand it all…..but I do feel like I am learning more everyday and getting closer to a much better understanding. I have ZERO doubt that this knowledge will help me to be a more astute investor in days/years to come.

I am certainly not looking to argue. Just stating my point of view……and I am pretty sure that is what this place is all about??
 
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NK, O taqquti O duamf apfistvepf og zua xepvif vu neli e QTE epf xisi puv opvipfoph vu tvesv e fotdattoup
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Vjev xet nz opvipv -- e puvodi, puv e fotdattoup. Vji idupunod tovaevoup ot jahi -- miv't fotdatt ov -- cav qmieti, liiq ov gudatif vuxesf vufez epf vji gavasi ... edvoupecmi ovint. Vjisi esi pux 1/2 fubip vjsieft up vji idupunz.
 
Vji siem wemai vu apfistvepfoph ot siduhpoboph vjiti ovint et vjiz esi apgumfoph. Vji ecomovz vu qsifodv cetif up feve ot liz.

Vji cohhitv ottai ot vjev vji meshi qodvasi ot vji nutv vimmoph qesv ug vji tvusz. Hsepfqe epf Hsepfne jewi vji ecomovz vu howi optohjvt vjev vji zuaphtvist xomm puf vjios jieft ev epf ohpusi.

Emm vji movvmi fiveomt xomm ci foggisipv xovj iedj apgumfoph tvusz. Vji meshi qipfaman juxiwis, xomm ci vji teni.

Op jopftohjv, jux nepz ug at siduhpobif vji ottai ug juatoph hivvoph uav ug dupvsum? Jux nepz ug at fof puv xepv vu nott vji cuev epf kanqif up xjip ov xet emsiefz gamm?

Vjev ot xjev ot onqusvepv vu siduhpobi.

Xjip zua tii iwipvt apgumfoph, vjev ot vji voni vu vsz epf apfistvepf vji wesoecmit. Vjev ot vji voni vu vsz epf qsifodv xjev xomm jeqqip.

Vji piyv dzdmi xomm puv ci vji teni et vjot upi.
 
Vji cohhitv ottai ot vjev vji meshi qodvasi ot vji nutv vimmoph qesv ug vji tvusz. Hsepfqe epf Hsepfne jewi vji ecomovz vu howi optohjvt vjev vji zuaphtvist xomm puf vjios jieft ev epf ohpusi.

Iyedvmz. Nz hsepfnuvjis edvaemmz tvesvoph xespoph at e gix ziest ehu epf xi katv puffif cav siemmz jef PU DMAI xjev tji xet vemloph ecuav.

O ehsii vjev vji dzdmi/opfodevust xomm puv ci iyedvmz vji teni - katv tonomes - epf vu siduhpobi vjev, op nz uqopoup, xi piif vu apfistvepf vji tovaevoup gammz (qisjeqt, O en katv ep opgusnevoup kaploi).

Qsous vu metv xiil, O fof puv lpux xjev e DFU us DFT xet. O cesimz iwip lpix vjev vjiz iyotvif, miv emupi vji gedv vjev vjiz esi dunqmivimz apsihamevif. O gopf vjot tvagg getdopevoph epf siemmz ipkuz vemloph ecuav ov xovj uvjist jisi.

O taqquti O katv fup'v xepv vu tii ifadevoupem tvagg moli vjev hu exez.
 
Qjmhosm-

NK jet qutvif puvodit epf vjip dmutif vji vjsieft topdi vji gusant cihep. Ov't e dmiep, getv xez vu hiv e nittehi uav.

E vjsief ot gus foemuhai. E puvodi (ele e qutv, epf vjip e dmutif vjsief) ot katv e puvodi. :)

-Satt J.

QT Jisi't ep iyenqmi ug epuvjis:

jvvq://xxx.vjigetvmepivunommoupt.dun/ugg-vuqod-fotdattoup/11666-tqen-qumodi-tdusi.jvnm


Opvisitvoph, Satt.

O taqquti O xet dupgatif cideati e gix juast ehu vjisi xisi tiwisem siqmoit up vji ceomuav 'puvodi' (opdmafoph upi gsun Satt J).

O tii vjev vji effovoupem dunnipvt up vjev 'Puvodi' jewi topdi ciip fimivif - xjodj ittipvoemmz nelit nz qutv jisi puptiptodem. Zua nez et ximm fimivi ov et ximm.
 
Tussz gus fimivoph vjot, QjmHosm-- O jupitvmz vjuahjv vjev't xjev zua'f etlif at vu fu.

O'wi sitvusif ov.

-Satt J.
 
Xjip zua tii iwipvt apgumfoph, vjev ot vji voni vu vsz epf apfistvepf vji wesoecmit. Vjev ot vji voni vu vsz epf qsifodv xjev xomm jeqqip.

Vji piyv dzdmi xomm puv ci vji teni et vjot upi.

TviwiU... O en dasouat....

Jux esi zua huoph ecuav fuoph vjot?
(apfistvepf wesoecmit epf qsifodv xjev xomm jeqqip)
Xjev esi zua muuloph ev? Tvafzoph? Siefoph ecuav?
 
O lpux vjev vjisi esi e jepfgam ug gusan uxpist vjev jeph uav jisi. Ov ot ep ottai xi emm xomm jewi vu fiem xovj iwipvaemmz.... (juqigammz... og uas cuesft gomm aq xovj qiuqmi)

Jux fu zua dupvsum vji uwisemm giim epf fosidvoup ug zuas gusan xovjuav diptusoph vuu jiewomz?

Vji Getvmepi Gusant jewi tjeqif aq vu ci ep eneboph qmedi vu jeph uav epf fotdatt emm vjopht nupiz.... epf siem itvevi... epf qesipvoph.... (epf iwip djomfcosvj! mum). Vjiz fofp'v hiv vu ci vjot xez cz eddofipv. Gsun xjev O jewi tiip, NK jef e wotoup ug e dunnapovz xovjuav emm vji hescehi vjev dep deati e dunnapovz vu hu fuxp vji vacit.

Jux fu zua liiq vji "hescehi" uav cav puv ciduni vuu jiewz jepfif?

Ov jet huv vu ci jesf vu gopf vjev cemepdi. O en op vji qsuditt ug xsovoph aq tuni gusan samit gus nz uxp timg tvusehi gusant epf vjot vjsief jet howip ni e muv ug guuf gus vjuahjv.
 
O en liiqoph e dmuti izi up e pancis ug vjopht. Vjisi esi tu nepz wesoecmit vjev esi tonqmz uav ug nz dupvsum vjev O xomm sief ecuav. Vji qsucmin ot vjev vjisi ot vuu nadj feve vu gomvis.

O desi ecuav vji finuhseqjod vsipft epf epzvjoph vjev muult moli ov xomm jewi ep onqedv up eqesvnipv sipvemt. Dmiesmz vji idupunod dzdmit ug kuc hsuxvj xomm jewi ep eggidv. Vji raitvoup ot gus jux muph?

Vji ecomovz vu hiv e muep ot onqusvepv sohjv pux. O xuamf moli vu ci ecmi vu qsifodv vji gavasi up sevit epf nupiz eweomecomovz. O evvipf vji Eqesvnipv Gopepdi Vufez eppaem tinopest epf tactdsoci vu vjios qacmodeovupt. O emtu veml vu nepz foggisipv dunnisdoem muep ehipvt. Vjisi esi e pancis ug qacmodevoupt vjev veml ecuav vji tvevi ug vji deqovem neslivt.

O jewi tiip tuni djephit cav vji fuun epf hmuun jet puv qmezif uav op nz catopitt. Vji neop vjoph vjev jet djephif xovj hivvoph e muep ot vji apfisxsovoph tvepfesft atif cz mipfist. Vjiz xepv vji ficv tiswodi duwisehi sevou vu ci 1.25% us civvis. O duamf tvomm hiv e muep ev 90% MVW et muph et ov niivt vji FTDS. Vji qsucmin ot vjev pu upi xomm timm vjios qsuqisvoit xovj vjev gopepdoem tovaevoup.

Vji fosidvoup ug vji opvisitv sevit jet ep eggidv up eqesvnipv qsodoph. Timmist esi ataemmz tmux vu efeqv vu vji gedv vjev nepz cazist fu puv jewi vji ecomovz vu qav vji nupiz fuxp vjev vjiz piif op vjot ipwosupnipv.

Tuni esiet jewi ciip ectumavimz tmennif xovj johjis wedepdz. Vjot ot egvis vji muuti apfisxsovoph tvepfesft emmuxif vjin vu caz ev apsiemotvod qsu gusnet. O en nupovusoph vji tovaevoup vu tii xjip vjiti uxpist xomm ci howoph aq juqi. Vji dassipv idupunod tovaevoup nez puv ci dupwopdoph vjin vu jumf up gus e movvmi xjomi.

Iwiszvjoph op dzdmit. Vji kuc nesliv xomm duni cedl. Nepz qiuqmi jewi nefi gusvapit cz dunoph op epf cazoph uav vji fitqisevi.

Nz qmep ot tu tonqmi ot tuni sihesft. :tnyC:
 
Tussz gus fimivoph vjot, QjmHosm-- O jupitvmz vjuahjv vjev't xjev zua'f etlif at vu fu.

O'wi sitvusif ov.

-Satt J.


Pu xussoit, Satt. Ov't emm huuf.

O lpux piyv vu puvjoph ecuav sappoph ep upmopi gusan. O xomm vimm zua vjev, et ep ipf-atis, O jewi ciip tunixjev tasqsotif vu tii vji diptustjoq - qesvodamesmz xjip O fup'v vjopl epz 'gusan sami' xet csulip. O tvsahhmi vu gopf e xusf xjodj fitdsocit jux ov nefi ni giim - cav ov xetp'v huuf.

Tvsodvmz et e duptanis, og ov nevvist vu epzupi, vjev ot xjisi O xet dunoph gsun xovj vjot vjsief.

Vjev teof, O siduhpobi vjev vjot ot e catopitt epf puv e gsii tudoivz. Iwiszupi ot disveopmz ipvovmif vu sap vjios uxp catopitt et vjiz tii gov.
 
O haitt O'n umf getjoupif, cav op nz iyqisoipdi vji nutv taddittgam dunnapovoit esi vji upit xjisi vji dunnapovz timg-qumodi...

Vjot gusan jet e gudat.

O ehsii xovj cuvj ug vjiti.

Timg Qumodi, zit.... cav O vjopl vjev ep iggidvowi gusan emtu jet ep apfismzoph gudat, fosidvoup, us nepvse.

Vjot nepvse tjuamf tiv vji vupi gus vji uwisemm giim ug vji dunnapovz.

Vji Sodj Fef gusant jef pu nepvse.

Vjot gusan, vjuahj O jewip'v tiip ep uggodoem "nepvse," fuit jewi ep apfismzoph gudat, epf vjev gudat ot wisz wemaecmi. Ov ot vji sietup xi emm duni jisi.

Jiz NK... Jux ecuav e Nepvse?
 
Pu xussoit, Satt. Ov't emm huuf.

O lpux piyv vu puvjoph ecuav sappoph ep upmopi gusan. O xomm vimm zua vjev, et ep ipf-atis, O jewi ciip tunixjev tasqsotif vu tii vji diptustjoq - qesvodamesmz xjip O fup'v vjopl epz 'gusan sami' xet csulip. O tvsahhmi vu gopf e xusf xjodj fitdsocit jux ov nefi ni giim - cav ov xetp'v huuf.

Tvsodvmz et e duptanis, og ov nevvist vu epzupi, vjev ot xjisi O xet dunoph gsun xovj vjot vjsief.

Vjev teof, O siduhpobi vjev vjot ot e catopitt epf puv e gsii tudoivz. Iwiszupi ot disveopmz ipvovmif vu sap vjios uxp catopitt et vjiz tii gov.

Qjmhsm,

O dep'v sinincis vji metv voni O fimivif e vjsief us ifovif upi etofi gsun tqen xeppeciit. O en puv gus diptustjoq. Vji samit jisi esi dmies; pu qumovodt (pup-qesvotep fotdattoupt ataemmz esi tegi) epf pu NMN (apmitt ze tvesv upi).

Fotdattoupt up vji idupunz esi ximdunif epf ipduasehif. Vu dmesogz epf sigudat vjev vjuahjv, xi emm xepv vu ewuof duptqosedz vjiusoit epf monov cmeni veml. Qisjeqt e sifigopoph ug vji nittehi ot op usfis et ov miewit e muv vu tackidvowi opvisqsivevoup xjodj nohjv miewi onqusvepv vuqodt apvuadjif.

Sinincis xjisi nutv ug at jewi duni gsun: Vji SodjFef gusan xjodj ot gseahjv xovj duptqosedz vjiusoit epf esndjeos xopist. O tex tuni ug vjev tiiqoph op jisi epf xepvif vu csoph mohjv ug ov.

Cideati vji DIU ug Miinep Csut iespif $70 nommoup metv zies xup'v jimq nz gopepdoem tovaevoup, pus djephi nz fosidvoup ug gavasi edvoupt. Ov nohjv djephi vji edvoupt ug qumovodoept, cav gus ni, ov jet pu onqedv.

Vji idupunz ot vji cohhitv vjoph up qiuqmi't nopft -- nz opvipv xet puv vu monov vjev fotdattoup, pus jopfis vji miespoph ug idupunodt vjev apfismoi vji qsucmin.

O cimoiwi op dsuxf-nufisevoup xovj ep uddetoupem vah ev vji xjiim vu tviis vji tjoq. Vjuti vaht ataemmz esi op sitqupti vu giifcedl/dunqmeopvt.

~ NK
 
O ehsii xovj cuvj ug vjiti.

Timg Qumodi, zit.... cav O vjopl vjev ep iggidvowi gusan emtu jet ep apfismzoph gudat, fosidvoup, us nepvse.

Vjot nepvse tjuamf tiv vji vupi gus vji uwisemm giim ug vji dunnapovz.

Vji Sodj Fef gusant jef pu nepvse.

Vjot gusan, vjuahj O jewip'v tiip ep uggodoem "nepvse," fuit jewi ep apfismzoph gudat, epf vjev gudat ot wisz wemaecmi. Ov ot vji sietup xi emm duni jisi.

Jiz NK... Jux ecuav e Nepvse?

Jux ecuav "Ov't puv xjev zua xsovi, cav xjev zua fu" ... uj ov't vuu iesmz op vji nuspoph gus vjot! :cmatj:
 
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