What do you guys think of Jordan Belfort?

[RogueInnovation]

I'm with crawley and not just on a moral basis. If you are cheating its a sign you lack the ability deep down to handle it without screwing over others.

Why study the back if they aren't a good guy? Why emulate it (we are the five people we surround ourselves with)

Study an underdog at the back of the pack is fine, but a guy that shouts and cheats to even get there? F#ck that

Its like cheering on the guy that cuts you off in traffic "yeah you get at me bro! you go make that light! I'm glad you see that I'm scum", but its worse, cuz this guy swindled guys like YOU, and to this day has no set up a realistic pricing standard.

He's still trying to push and flip it in his favor.


Why feed it?

Anyone that has felt the PAIN of losing money and being stabbed in the back at that time, and how deep it cuts, should understand that this guy created terrible amounts of suffering.
Exactly the opposite of business.

Which surprisingly enough isn't about chasing money.

 

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[Ninjakid]

I have to say, I'm very entertained by all the comments I'm seeing from you guys.

I'm sure a lot of people see this movie and think that lifestyle is cool. Some are repulsed by it. But I don't really think it's the movie that makes people become heartless. The desire is there first. It's like saying video games make kids violent. REALLY? I bet those Somali pirates were all call of duty nerds.
Hip hop music causes shootings? REALLY? Maybe living in the ghetto around constant violence might be more of an influence than the music?

I saw the movie. Didn't agree with the lifestyle. Drugs and hookers have never been appealing to me. Many others feel the same way. But people who think that's cool would probably be fine with it even if they didn't see the movie. They'd find something else to fill their desires.

I think everyone agrees that what he did was wrong. The next debate seems to be whether he actually meant his apology.

 

[GreedyBGoode]

speaking of his seminars, i heard its pretty much mental masturbation/motivational seminars and not really focusing on sales skills - which he is obviously a master of.

 

[codo3500]

speaking of his seminars, i heard its pretty much mental masturbation/motivational seminars and not really focusing on sales skills - which he is obviously a master of.

It's just a giant upsell for his proper course. But what isn't these days haha. Seminars suck for that kind of junk.

 

[firmwear]

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This thread should be locked down. It serves no purpose. (other than exposing the rather nasty/skewed viewpoints of certain members).

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This is the main reason I pay close attention to threads like this. You can flush out the misanthropes/sociopaths from the regular human beings really, really easily.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

His promo company contacted me for forum ad rates -- they wanted to promote his seminars here. That would have been in easy $1K for me for about 3 minutes of work. I declined.

I tried watching his video. I turned it off after 6 minutes. IMO, all I hear is a slick salesman. When I hear that he's paid back all of the investors he swindled, that's when I'll pay attention. I'll consider that redemption. I'm sure if he had his meathooks into your parents or grandparents retirement plan, some of you might think better of your choices for role models.

hanging hearts and souls is not easy. Young people have no concept to money other than they want it. Again, difficult to stem the tide of an entire generation who is the most selfish generation to ever come out of history in years.

Yup, the mind is a battlefield. It seems there are just so many clueless young people who think that "the means justifies the ends". In other words, if it makes me money... who the f*ck cares how I get it? Here's something for all you "aspiring Fastlaners" -- you can't bribe your heart and soul. If it doesn't jive on a spiritual level, then it isn't Fastlane, and it doesn't matter how many dollar signs come attached. You can fool your mind by the cars, boats and bottles at the club, but you can't fool your heart.

 

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[Angus]

This is the main reason I pay close attention to threads like this. You can flush out the misanthropes/sociopaths from the regular human beings really, really easily.

watchagonnado then?
exclude from your playground?

 

[Mineralogic]

lol do u see what the markets are doing on a daily basis?

And only a few voices speak out about then fraud

well..
yes
if not, it's just herd morality

don't hate the player, hate the game
but why hating the game? you're playing it too, and you'll be in it until you die

don't waste time judging others, better yourself and live a life based on your personal set of values

I think we have ENOUGH people in the world excusing fraud,corruption, the banksters, etc. such a normal part of the business ethic now

 

[Mineralogic]

His promo company contacted me for forum ad rates -- they wanted to promote his seminars here. That would have been in easy $1K for me for about 3 minutes of work. I declined.

I tried watching his video. I turned it off after 6 minutes. IMO, all I hear is a slick salesman. When I hear that he's paid back all of the investors he swindled, that's when I'll pay attention. I'll consider that redemption. I'm sure if he had his meathooks into your parents or grandparents retirement plan, some of you might think better of your choices for role models.



Yup, the mind is a battlefield. It seems there are just so many clueless young people who think that "the means justifies the ends". In other words, if it makes me money... who the f*ck cares how I get it? Here's something for all you "aspiring Fastlaners" -- you can't bribe your heart and soul. If it doesn't jive on a spiritual level, then it isn't Fastlane, and it doesn't matter how many dollar signs come attached. You can fool your mind by the cars, boats and bottles at the club, but you can't fool your heart.

makes me like you and this forum even more MJ. EPIC! As Above, So Below

 

[Tengen]

This is the main reason I pay close attention to threads like this. You can flush out the misanthropes/sociopaths from the regular human beings really, really easily.

Also who to add to your ignore list

 

[RogueInnovation]

you can't fool your heart.

Exactly
For all the wannabes thinking that money changes your mindset
You are wrong

The only change that STICKS is bone deep

When I hear that he's paid back all of the investors he swindled, that's when I'll pay attention. I'll consider that redemption.

Thats really the only way a man can redeem himself after theft and cons
Otherwise you've never lived off your own money, only FREELOADING off the suffering of others

Cheating with a bounce back attitude
Is nothing like failing, bouncing back and winning off your sweat


It is one thing to say things, its another to IDENTIFY with them
It is sooooo wannabe to think you can trick your brain, without building habits and great foundations
You gotta unlearn this BS that guys who flash money know anything
You gotta analyse the business, the process, the vision

 

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[daivey]

His promo company contacted me for forum ad rates -- they wanted to promote his seminars here. That would have been in easy $1K for me for about 3 minutes of work. I declined.

I tried watching his video. I turned it off after 6 minutes. IMO, all I hear is a slick salesman. When I hear that he's paid back all of the investors he swindled, that's when I'll pay attention. I'll consider that redemption. I'm sure if he had his meathooks into your parents or grandparents retirement plan, some of you might think better of your choices for role models.



Yup, the mind is a battlefield. It seems there are just so many clueless young people who think that "the means justifies the ends". In other words, if it makes me money... who the f*ck cares how I get it? Here's something for all you "aspiring Fastlaners" -- you can't bribe your heart and soul. If it doesn't jive on a spiritual level, then it isn't Fastlane, and it doesn't matter how many dollar signs come attached. You can fool your mind by the cars, boats and bottles at the club, but you can't fool your heart.

I work in sales. I like Jordan Belfort. I think he's an incredible salesman and there is a LOT to learn from him. That doesn't mean you need to be unethical like he was. take some of the pros and keep that and move on. if you cant learn a thing from his sales videos/about persuasion then i think youre approaching it wrong.

 

[Tengen]

It's not a matter of individuals going down their own degenerate path, but an infectious culture that brings down everyone within the blast radius.

I made a post here detailing my experience.

When you train in this kind of "sales", you can lie and use bad math as long as you get them to sign on the line that is dotted. (Glengarry Glen Ross, anybody?)

You're hungry and decide you just want a burger. But they'll never let you just have a burger. Would you like fries with that? Would you like to upsize? Would you like that cheap plastic toy made by underage workers in Asia? And people are wondering why there's an obesity epidemic.

When you are trained in this kind of "sales" other people are just objects, your next KPI target, your next commission bonus.

You could be a nice guy, just answered a job ad that said "no experience needed!" and thought it sounded good. Then you are thrust into this environment where people are chanting and drilling sales scripts into you and you fold due to sheer peer pressure.

Worst I've seen so far is what they've done to charities. You think all that money those kind-hearted people gave away goes directly to those in need? Think again. You're feeding these leeches called telemarketers. Salespeople.

Source - http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_675_16-diabolical-acts-evil-by-famous-corporations_p2/

 

[daivey]

Im not really sure I understand what you mean by people trained in "this kind of sales". Everything the millionaire fastlane forum boasts is about cross selling and upselling your client, either in your store front business, or through online sales. In fact I even think MJ touches upon it in his book to some degree.

That doesn't mean you need to condone fudging the figures. Cross selling and upselling and upsizing and rightsizing is the only way to the fastlane.

It's not a matter of individuals going down their own degenerate path, but an infectious culture that brings down everyone within the blast radius.

I made a post here detailing my experience.

When you train in this kind of "sales", you can lie and use bad math as long as you get them to sign on the line that is dotted. (Glengarry Glen Ross, anybody?)

You're hungry and decide you just want a burger. But they'll never let you just have a burger. Would you like fries with that? Would you like to upsize? Would you like that cheap plastic toy made by underage workers in Asia? And people are wondering why there's an obesity epidemic.

When you are trained in this kind of "sales" other people are just objects, your next KPI target, your next commission bonus.

You could be a nice guy, just answered a job ad that said "no experience needed!" and thought it sounded good. Then you are thrust into this environment where people are chanting and drilling sales scripts into you and you fold due to sheer peer pressure.

Worst I've seen so far is what they've done to charities. You think all that money those kind-hearted people gave away goes directly to those in need? Think again. You're feeding these leeches called telemarketers. Salespeople.

Source - http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_675_16-diabolical-acts-evil-by-famous-corporations_p2/

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Interview... the interviewer clearly looks like an unwilling participant.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/behin...nd-his-money-making-world-tour-170827196.html

 

[DeletedUser394]

Interview... the interviewer clearly looks like an unwilling participant.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/behin...nd-his-money-making-world-tour-170827196.html

If a weasel could talk, I'd imagine it would sound just like Belfort.

He has no remorse.

 

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[Veloce Grey]

Interview... the interviewer clearly looks like an unwilling participant.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/behin...nd-his-money-making-world-tour-170827196.html

Actually he looks much more willing than Leo did in his testimonial for Belfort.

I know the guy is still waiting for a Oscar, I say they give him one for his efforts in that vid because he looks like he's playing one of those US pilots Saddam put on tv at gunpoint during the first Gulf War.

 

[firmwear]

...KPI target...

Just out of curiousity... where did you hear about KPI?

Thx

 

[DeletedUser394]

 

[Tengen]

Just out of curiousity... where did you hear about KPI?

Thx

It's in pretty much any job advertisement you'll find.

"The ideal candidate will be self-driven and able to meet monthly KPIs, blah blah blah"

Translation - "We want you to be a consistently performing slave, and you better do it yourself because we're not going to motivate you."

If you want a masterclass in euphemism and spin-doctoring, look no further than seek.com

 

[Maxjohan]

I think they should ban all motivational speaking. Make it illegal. Pay to hear a bunch of nonsense. 95% of the time.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

His promo company contacted me for forum ad rates -- they wanted to promote his seminars here. That would have been in easy $1K for me for about 3 minutes of work. I declined.

I tried watching his video. I turned it off after 6 minutes. IMO, all I hear is a slick salesman. When I hear that he's paid back all of the investors he swindled, that's when I'll pay attention. I'll consider that redemption. I'm sure if he had his meathooks into your parents or grandparents retirement plan, some of you might think better of your choices for role models.



Yup, the mind is a battlefield. It seems there are just so many clueless young people who think that "the means justifies the ends". In other words, if it makes me money... who the f*ck cares how I get it? Here's something for all you "aspiring Fastlaners" -- you can't bribe your heart and soul. If it doesn't jive on a spiritual level, then it isn't Fastlane, and it doesn't matter how many dollar signs come attached. You can fool your mind by the cars, boats and bottles at the club, but you can't fool your heart.

OK, I finally watched the movie last night on Amazon Prime. It was like sitting through a 3 hour root canal.

I was going to write about 4 paragraphs of thoughts, but instead, one word will cover it: Repulsive.

And that's accounting for Hollywood's embellishments, defaulting to a the precept that 3/4 of it was fiction, 1/4 truth.

 

[AllenCrawley]

OK, I finally watched the movie last night on Amazon Prime. It was like sitting through a 3 hour root canal.

I was going to write about 4 paragraphs of thoughts, but instead, one word will cover it: Repulsive.

And that's accounting for Hollywood's embellishments, defaulting to a the precept that 3/4 of it was fiction, 1/4 truth.

Glad I'm not the only one. I could only watch an hour of it. May not have even made it that far, lol.

 

[wade1mil]

OK, I finally watched the movie last night on Amazon Prime. It was like sitting through a 3 hour root canal.

The first time I watched it, I couldn't even make it through the whole thing. I went into the movie with a business mentality because it was recommended on this forum, and thought it was incredibly lame.

I don't know why, but about a month ago, I decided to watch it again. This time, I watched striclty with with an entertainment mentality and actually thought it was pretty good.

Did you think it was repulsive because of the vulgarity? Inaccuracies? Bad principles?

I saw an interview or something a while ago of some random dude from Brooklyn and he said something to the effect of, "In Brooklyn, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive." He wasn't talking about robbing or killing people or anything, but just straight up hustling and doing the hard and uncomfortable stuff nobody wants to do in order to make it. Things like slinging CD's in the subway or whatever. That's the same value I got from The Wolf of Wall Street. He goes after what he wants, whether moral or immoral, with pure conviction and without fear. I think using this mindset in conjunction with moral things is valuable.

 

[Deon]

I don't understand how anybody could see this as "repulsive"

I mean... you can dislike it... even very much

But like @wade1mil said... what is it exactly that was repulsive? I enjoyed the movie very much... Of course it's exagerated, it's supposed to be a Hollywood blockbuster.

Or is it a case of not knowing how to differentiate the message from the messenger? Like the discussion about Dan Pena last time?

Or maybe you had certain expectations of what the movie should be, and it wasn't like that?

I mean... you can see from the trailer that this is not a documentary about the guy...

 

[eliquid]

very very odd.

I watched this movie last night and then the very next day this thread pops up as the first thread in the forum when I log in.

 

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[DeletedUser394]

I don't understand how anybody could see this as "repulsive"

I don't find the movie overly repulsive, but it doesn't take a PhD to hazard a guess as to why others may feel so.

A movie that espouses no morals, objectifies women, propagates infidelity, destroying property, doing drugs, physical violence, money laundering, anti-homosexuality, ripping people off, destroying people's lives for one's own selfish gain, etc. Add to it the fact that they are glorifying it the entire way through.

Then all of the hero worship that comes from it, with starry eyed youth wanting to emulate this guy's lifestyle and actions.. And you don't understand why someone would find that to be repulsive?

My favorite movies are typically one's where people are doing illegal shit (The Town, American Gangster, Wall Street, Boiler Room, etc). I totally understand why someone would find any one of those movies to be repulsive.

Just like I won't watch horror movies. Even though some people (many people) find them entertaining, I'm not comfortable watching people get tortured and murdered, even though the movies are 100% fake and I'm able to completely remain cognizant of that throughout. I find them downright repulsive anyway and they make me physically ill.

 

[Deon]

I don't find the movie overly repulsive, but it doesn't take a PhD to hazard a guess as to why others may feel so.

A movie that espouses no morals, objectifies women, propagates infidelity, destroying property, doing drugs, physical violence, money laundering, anti-homosexuality, ripping people off, destroying people's lives for one's own selfish gain, etc. Add to it the fact that they are glorifying it the entire way through.

Then all of the hero worship that comes from it, with starry eyed youth wanting to emulate this guy's lifestyle and actions.. And you don't understand why someone would find that to be repulsive?

My favorite movies are typically one's where people are doing illegal shit (The Town, American Gangster, Wall Street, Boiler Room, etc). I totally understand why someone would find any one of those movies to be repulsive.

Just like I won't watch horror movies. Even though some people (many people) find them entertaining, I'm not comfortable watching people get tortured and murdered, even though the movies are 100% fake and I'm able to completely remain cognizant of that throughout. I find them downright repulsive anyway and they make me physically ill.

Ok thanks for the clarification. Yep i understand that and agree

How many movies are there though glorifying these people? Pablo Escobar? The Scarface movie? And the many movies you quoted...

Again, I understand your point is that you don't find them repulsive but understand how they would be for other people...the thing is... I don't know if those same people would find scarface repulsive, etc

 

[DeletedUser394]

Ok thanks for the clarification. Yep i understand that and agree

How many movies are there though glorifying these people? Pablo Escobar? The Scarface movie? And the many movies you quoted...

Again, I understand your point is that you don't find them repulsive but understand how they would be for other people...the thing is... I don't know if those same people would find scarface repulsive, etc

I'm bored and waiting for the UFC to start, so let's go even deeper.

You can find different movies within the same category/genre to be disgusting and others not. This can be based on the subject matter of the particular film as well as any personal connection that the viewer may have.

Let's take Scarface. Here's a movie that glorifies the excess and paranoid life of a drug kingpin. If you've never done drugs or had any issues/family problems related to drugs, then you might be able to watch it purely for the entertainment value. Hell, if you're of a particular political ideology you can argue that he (drug dealer) was simply providing a need that his customers want.

However, flip that to a viewer that is recovering from an addiction or that lost a family or friend to the drug game and you can empathize with how they could be disgusted by such a movie.

Then look at Wolf of Wall Street. Here's a guy that stole money from average people, like you and me. I'm invested in the stock market and these predators are an issue that I come across once in a while.

If a guy like this stole from your grandma for example, you might be pissed to see the exposure he's getting.

It all comes down to life experience among other things.

 

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