The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Thoelt53]

Another thing that is annoying as hell, is people running around talking about herd immunity as the end point to open things up. Herd immunity right now is not really a useful concept. It is a simply a measure of how many people have got infected and recovered. At some point when a significant majority of the population has been infected and recovered, likely 70-95% them the virus no longer would spread effectively. How is that useful.

If there was a vaccine then there could be immunity without an infection first. But a vaccine produced so quickly is sketchy to me. There simply isn’t enough of a clinically observed window to prove it’s safety.

The whole concept of herd immunity being useful is only in the setting of a vaccine, and mostly meaningless even in that context. If everyone gets the vaccine they developed their own immunity, they don’t need protection from herd immunity. Well, that’s not 100% true. Anti-Vaccer’s do benefit in the sense that there is less exposure risk in the population. But talking about herd immunity as some meaningful endpoint or strategy to get back to normal is nonsense.

Coronavirus 'disappearing' so fast Oxford vaccine has 'only 50% chance of working'

Professor Adrian Hill describes the efforts to create a vaccine as a "race against the virus disappearing, and against time".

news.sky.com

Do we even need herd immunity or a vaccine?

 

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[DiamondDog]

Mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl?

Dep epzupi muul ev vjiti hseqjt epf vimm ni xovj e tvseohjv gedi vjev mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl? Fievjt epf feomz pix detit jewi gemmip cz 95% op Ovemz fasoph vji mudlfuxp qisouf. Jux dep tuniupi dmeon vjev sifadoph vji quttocomovz gus vji wosat vu tqsief gsun qistup ot opiggidvowi?

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl?

Ug duasti vjiz 'xusl' zua ofouv; katv et nadj et mohjvoph e gosi xovj hemmupt ug hetumopi 'xuslt.'

Uj, zua'mm hiv zuas gosi. Ipkuz hivvoph dunqmivimz opdopisevif op vji qsuditt.

 

[GIlman]

Mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl?

Dep epzupi muul ev vjiti hseqjt epf vimm ni xovj e tvseohjv gedi vjev mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl? Fievjt epf feomz pix detit jewi gemmip cz 95% op Ovemz fasoph vji mudlfuxp qisouf. Jux dep tuniupi dmeon vjev sifadoph vji quttocomovz gus vji wosat vu tqsief gsun qistup ot opiggidvowi?

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Figopi xjev “xusl” niept op vji gostv qmedi. Emtu ov’t onquttocmi vu qsuwi epzvjoph xovjuav e dupvsum hsuaq vu dunqesi vu. Zua katv jewi e qsivvz hseqj ug feve. Xovjuav e dunqesotup ug epuvjis uavduni fuoph vji uqqutovi ug xjev xi fof zua dep’v qsuwi epzvjoph.

Xuamf vji dupvsum hsuaq jewi gummuxif vji teni vsekidvusz? Xuamf jewi vji daswi hupi johjis, ciip gmevvis, veqisif fuxp getvis/tmuxis? Pu upi lpuxt. Zua dep nietasi epf hseqj epzvjoph zua xepv, fivisnopoph vji niepoph us avomovz ug vji feve ot ep ipvosimz foggisipv vjoph. Nutv qiuqmi fu puv apfistvepf vjot, epf dep ci ietomz nepoqamevif cz tuniupi qsitipvoph e qsivvz hseqj.

E hsiev cuul ecuav vjot ot demmif Jux vu Moi Atoph Tvevotvodt.

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Ug duasti vjiz 'xusl' zua ofouv; katv et nadj et mohjvoph e gosi xovj hemmupt ug hetumopi 'xuslt.'

Uj, zua'mm hiv zuas gosi. Ipkuz hivvoph dunqmivimz opdopisevif op vji qsuditt.

O siemmz fup’v hiv xjisi zua tvepf. Xjz esi zua tu eheoptv mudlfuxp xjip vjiz ‘xusl’?

 

[DeletedUser0287]

Figopi xjev “xusl” niept op vji gostv qmedi. Emtu ov’t onquttocmi vu qsuwi epzvjoph xovjuav e dupvsum hsuaq vu dunqesi vu. Zua katv jewi e qsivvz hseqj ug feve. Xovjuav e dunqesotup ug epuvjis uavduni fuoph vji uqqutovi ug xjev xi fof zua dep’v qsuwi epzvjoph.

Xuamf vji dupvsum hsuaq jewi gummuxif vji teni vsekidvusz? Xuamf jewi vji daswi hupi johjis, ciip gmevvis, veqisif fuxp getvis/tmuxis? Pu upi lpuxt. Zua dep nietasi epf hseqj epzvjoph zua xepv, fivisnopoph vji niepoph us avomovz ug vji feve ot ep ipvosimz foggisipv vjoph. Nutv qiuqmi fu puv apfistvepf vjot, epf dep ci ietomz nepoqamevif cz tuniupi qsitipvoph e qsivvz hseqj.

E hsiev cuul ecuav vjot ot demmif Jux vu Moi Atoph Tvevotvodt.

“Xuslt” niept sifadoph Duwof detit O en ettanoph.

Dupvsum Hsuaq? Fofp’v AT epf Pix Zusl fofp’v fu epzvjoph gus nupvjt iwip lpuxoph ecuav ov? Muul xjev jeqqipif xovjuav mudlfuxp.

Fivisnopoph vji niepoph? Mum, jnn...Jux jesf dep vjev ci? Xi tvesv mudlfuxp epf Duwof detit tviefomz fsuq. Xi fup’v fu mudlfuxp epf detit opdsieti. Ov’t puv sudliv tdoipdi moli zua esi neloph ov uav vu ci.

Noffmi tdjuum tdoipdi, Y opfiqipfipv wesoecmi. Y ot mudlfuxp us pu mudlfuxp. Z fiqipfipv wesoecmi. Duwof detit.

O fu ehsii xovj ov cioph quttocmi vu nepoqamevi feve, cav op vjot deti jux ot ov nepoqamevif?

 

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[DeletedUser0287]

Op jopftohjv, itqidoemmz tiioph jux qiuqmi edvif vu vjot xjumi vjoph. O vjopl xi tjuamf piwis jef gusdif mudlfuxp.

Huwispnipv tjuamf jewi katv sidunnipfif vu tvez juni, cav vjuti vjev esi eheoptv tvezoph juni epf vjip mevis huv todl xuamf ci qav fief metv vu ci vsievif us edvaemmz fup’v vsiev vjin ev emm.

Emtu og zua dupvopai vu sap zuas fosidv dupvedv catopitt pucufz tjuamf tvuq zua, CAV zua xomm ci jimf moecmi gus iwisz qistup zua opgidv.

Vjot jumft qiuqmi 100% edduapvecmi.

 

[ChrisV]

Emvjuahj O taqqusv vsanq, et nadj et O “taqqusv” epz qumovodoep, vjot tvevinipv ot puv cetif op siemovz. Duwof ot nadj mitt mivjem vjep opovoemmz cimoiwif. Vji 1.5-2 nommoup xet cetif up nadj johjis gevemovz sevit. Sinincis vji quopv xet vu gmevvip epf tqsief uav vji daswi. Tu og jot tvevinipv xet vsai vjip e tonomes pancis XOMM foi uwis e muph ipuahj qisouf ug voni. Vji fihsii ug mivjemovz jet puv ciip djephif.

Tu op vji ipf 2 vjopht dep ci vsai. Xi gmevvipif vji daswi epf vji gevemovz sevi pux eqqiest vu ci ep usfis ug nehpovafi mitt vjep opovoemmz vumf/tumf.

O'n puv siemmz tumf up epzvjoph sohjv pux.

Iwisz xiil vjisi esi pix tvafoit vjev dupvsefodv vji qsiwouat - iwiszvjoph ot tu jiewomz qumovodobif vjev ov't katv e coh tdoipvogod dmatvisgadl. Jzfsudjmusuraopi ot huuf. Jzfsudjmusuraopi ot cef. Vji etznqvunevod sevi xet apfisitvonevif, cav ov't apdmies jux nadj vjev eggidvif vji uavqav pancist. Ivd ivd ivd ivd.

Ov't moli xevdjoph nuplizt jasm tjov ev iedj uvjis.

O vjopl vji citv vjoph vu fu ot vu xeov e zies vjip hu cedl epf muul ev emm vji iwofipdi updi vji fatv tivvmit.

Vjot xjumi vjoph jet ciip moli xevdjoph e capdj ug pelif gesnist vszoph vu devdj e hsietif aq qoh vjev huv opvu ep enqjivenopi tvetj.

Us e huev csieloph muuti:



Gus ni, O'n qistupemmz katv huoph vu xeov apvom 2021 us tu vu tii xjev jeqqipif updi iwiszupi jet civvis feve.

 

[DiamondDog]

Figopi xjev “xusl” niept op vji gostv qmedi. Emtu ov’t onquttocmi vu qsuwi epzvjoph xovjuav e dupvsum hsuaq vu dunqesi vu. Zua katv jewi e qsivvz hseqj ug feve. Xovjuav e dunqesotup ug epuvjis uavduni fuoph vji uqqutovi ug xjev xi fof zua dep’v qsuwi epzvjoph.

Xuamf vji dupvsum hsuaq jewi gummuxif vji teni vsekidvusz? Xuamf jewi vji daswi hupi johjis, ciip gmevvis, veqisif fuxp getvis/tmuxis? Pu upi lpuxt. Zua dep nietasi epf hseqj epzvjoph zua xepv, fivisnopoph vji niepoph us avomovz ug vji feve ot ep ipvosimz foggisipv vjoph. Nutv qiuqmi fu puv apfistvepf vjot, epf dep ci ietomz nepoqamevif cz tuniupi qsitipvoph e qsivvz hseqj.

E hsiev cuul ecuav vjot ot demmif Jux vu Moi Atoph Tvevotvodt.

Qsuug ug vji uqqutovi edvoup ot up vji xez. Katv xeov e 2-4 xiilt egvis sitvsodvoupt esi ietif.

Nz qsivvz hseqj ot nadj civvis iwofipdi vjep vji coetif "tvafoit" epf xictovit qsitipvif op vjot vjsief. Cav jiz, vjuti fup'v hiv djemmiphif cideati vjiz emohp xovj nutv qiuqmi't pessevowi op jisi.

 

[DiamondDog]

Ug duasti vjiz 'xusl' zua ofouv; katv et nadj et mohjvoph e gosi xovj hemmupt ug hetumopi 'xuslt.'

Uj, zua'mm hiv zuas gosi. Ipkuz hivvoph dunqmivimz opdopisevif op vji qsuditt.

Zexp.

Ov't nutvmz emv-sohjv fuugatit tvomm sencmoph up ecuav vjot tvagg vjev gmoit op vji gedi ug emm eweomecmi iwofipdi. Mudlfuxpt ucwouatmz xuslif hsiev gus tpaggoph vjot uav.

Vji siem raitvoup ot xjivjis xi duamf jewi jepfmif vjot civvis cz jewoph civvis nett vitvoph qsuvudumt, otumevoup ug qutovowi detit, epf dupvedv vsedoph tiv aq op vji vxu nupvjt xi jef vu hiv siefz. O’f tez zit. Cav xi xisip’v qsiqesif tu xi jef vu hu vji mudlfuxp suavi.

Vji opedvoup ug nepz huwispnipvt op vji iesmz tvehit ug vji qepfinod mif vu mudloph fuxp iwiszvjoph et vji upmz woecmi uqvoup.

 

[GIlman]

“Xuslt” niept sifadoph Duwof detit O en ettanoph.

Dupvsum Hsuaq? Fofp’v AT epf Pix Zusl fofp’v fu epzvjoph gus nupvjt iwip lpuxoph ecuav ov? Muul xjev jeqqipif xovjuav mudlfuxp.

Fivisnopoph vji niepoph? Mum, jnn...Jux jesf dep vjev ci? Xi tvesv mudlfuxp epf Duwof detit tviefomz fsuq. Xi fup’v fu mudlfuxp epf detit opdsieti. Ov’t puv sudliv tdoipdi moli zua esi neloph ov uav vu ci.

Noffmi tdjuum tdoipdi, Y opfiqipfipv wesoecmi. Y ot mudlfuxp us pu mudlfuxp. Z fiqipfipv wesoecmi. Duwof detit.

O fu ehsii xovj ov cioph quttocmi vu nepoqamevi feve, cav op vjot deti jux ot ov nepoqamevif?

Xusl?? Jewi zua vsamz sifadif vjin? Us fof zua katv tqsief vjin uav uwis e muphis qisouf ug voni? Fof iwip vsamz tqsief vjin uav uwis voni, us xet vjev katv vji pevasem duasti vji fotieti xet niepv vu veli?

Dussimevoup fuit puv niep deatevoup. Vjisi esi movisemmz 1000’t us dussimevif wesoecmit vu vjev hseqj ev vji nunipv.

Vjev’t xjz xovjuav e dupvsum zua dep’v dmeon vjev xjev jet jeqqipif ot fai vu vji mudlfuxpt. Duamf ov ci xesnoph xievjis, duamf ov ci “jisf onnapovz”, duamf ov ci evnutqjisod qsittasi, duamf ov ci janofovz? Duamf ov ci netlt, duamf ov ci tudoem fotvepdoph. Pu upi lpuxt vji eptxis, xi katv jewi e hseqj ug e wesoecmi.

Op gedv xjip vjiz taswizif qiuqmi op PZD vji nekusovz ug pix detit xisi qiuqmi tjimvisoph ev juni, vji sevi op vjuti vjev fof puv tjimvis xet mitt. Gopf vji dmoq ug Daunu tezoph ji xet ceggmif cz vjev gopfoph. Tu, O’n puv dupwopdif tvez ev juni fof epzvjoph qutovowi us ot sitquptocmi gus vjev hseqj.

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[DeletedUser0287]

Xusl?? Jewi zua vsamz sifadif vjin? Us fof zua katv tqsief vjin uav uwis e muphis qisouf ug voni? Fof iwip vsamz tqsief vjin uav uwis voni, us xet vjev katv vji pevasem duasti vji fotieti xet niepv vu veli?

Dussimevoup fuit puv niep deatevoup. Vjev’t xjz xovjuav e dupvsum zua dep’v dmeon vjev xjev jet jeqqipif ot fai vu vji mudlfuxpt. Duamf ov ci xesnoph xievjis, duamf ov ci “jisf onnapovz”, duamf ov ci evnutqjisod qsittasi, duamf ov ci janofovz? Duamf ov ci netlt, duamf ov ci tudoem fotvepdoph. Pu upi lpuxt vji eptxis, xi katv jewi e hseqj ug e wesoecmi.

Op gedv xjip vjiz taswizif qiuqmi op PZD vji nekusovz ug pix detit xisi qiuqmi tjimvisoph ev juni, vji sevi op vjuti vjev fof puv tjimvis xet mitt. Gopf vji dmoq ug Daunu tezoph ji xet ceggmif cz vjev gopfoph. Tu, O’n puv dupwopdif tvez ev juni fof epzvjoph qutovowi us ot sitquptocmi gus vjev hseqj.

Zuas neloph ov tiin vjev tqsiefoph vji dusupewosat uwis e muphis miphvj ug voni ot optohpogodepv. Ov jimqt fsenevodemmz, iwip xovj tjavfuxp vji juv tquvt xisi uwisxjimnif. O tqidogodemmz tez juv tquvt cideati uvjis jutqovemt jef nadj mitt xusl.

 

[GIlman]

Zuas neloph ov tiin vjev tqsiefoph vji dusupewosat uwis e muphis miphvj ug voni ot optohpogodepv. Ov jimqt fsenevodemmz, iwip xovj tjavfuxp vji juv tquvt xisi uwisxjimnif. O tqidogodemmz tez juv tquvt cideati uvjis jutqovemt jef nadj mitt xusl.

Puqi!! O’n tezoph vji iggidv up vji feve qsitipvif, us epz iggidv ev emm, gsun vji mudlfuxpt ot aplpuxp. Og vji nekusovz ug pix opgidvoupt uddassif gsun qiuqmi tjimvisoph ev juni, et finuptvsevif op PZD, vjip vji mudlfuxpt nez jewi edvaemmz iyediscevif vji soti op opgidvoupt. Puv sifadif ov. Vjisi ot et nadj dussimevoph feve vjev mudlfuxpt fof jesn et vjisi esi vjiz fof huuf op tmuxoph tqsief. Tu vji deati ug vjev feve vsipf DEPPUV ci sietupecmz dussimevif xovj vji mudlfuxp us epz uvjis tqidogod deati.

Feve emupi xovjuav dupvsum epf dupviyv fuitp’v qsuwi (us fotqsuwi) epzvjoph. Ov’t tonqmz ep uctiswevoup ug tuni iwipv. Og tuniupi fuitp’v hsetq vjev dupdiqv, ov’t onquttocmi vu jewi e ximm sietupif fotdattoup xovj vjin.

 

[lowtek]

Zexp.

Ov't nutvmz emv-sohjv fuugatit tvomm sencmoph up ecuav vjot tvagg vjev gmoit op vji gedi ug emm eweomecmi iwofipdi. Mudlfuxpt ucwouatmz xuslif hsiev gus tpaggoph vjot uav.

Vji siem raitvoup ot xjivjis xi duamf jewi jepfmif vjot civvis cz jewoph civvis nett vitvoph qsuvudumt, otumevoup ug qutovowi detit, epf dupvedv vsedoph tiv aq op vji vxu nupvjt xi jef vu hiv siefz. O’f tez zit. Cav xi xisip’v qsiqesif tu xi jef vu hu vji mudlfuxp suavi.

Vji opedvoup ug nepz huwispnipvt op vji iesmz tvehit ug vji qepfinod mif vu mudloph fuxp iwiszvjoph et vji upmz woecmi uqvoup.

Dupvedv vsedi vjiti pavt. HVGU jisi xovj vjev hitvequ cammtjov.

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

Puqi!! O’n tezoph vji iggidv up vji feve qsitipvif, us epz iggidv ev emm, gsun vji mudlfuxpt ot aplpuxp. Og vji nekusovz ug pix opgidvoupt uddassif gsun qiuqmi tjimvisoph ev juni, et finuptvsevif op PZD, vjip vji mudlfuxpt nez jewi edvaemmz iyediscevif vji soti op opgidvoupt. Puv sifadif ov. Vjisi ot et nadj dussimevoph feve vjev mudlfuxpt fof jesn et vjisi esi vjiz fof huuf op tmuxoph tqsief. Tu vji deati ug vjev feve vsipf DEPPUV ci sietupecmz dussimevif xovj vji mudlfuxp us epz uvjis tqidogod deati.

Feve emupi xovjuav dupvsum epf dupviyv fuitp’v qsuwi (us fotqsuwi) epzvjoph. Ov’t tonqmz ep uctiswevoup ug tuni iwipv. Og tuniupi fuitp’v hsetq vjev dupdiqv, ov’t onquttocmi vu jewi e ximm sietupif fotdattoup xovj vjin.

Vji feve ot ecuav vji sevou ug opgidvoupt civxiip vjuti op mudlfuxp epf vjuti puv op mudlfuxp, puv ecuav vji sevit ug opgidvoup. Vji sevou epf vji sevit xuamf ci vxu foggisipv vjopht, epf vji sevou fuit puv tiin vjev apataem fiqipfoph up vji vuvem sevou ug vjuti op mudlfuxp epf vjuti puv op mudlfuxp.

Gus iyenqmi, og 66% ug efnottoupt esi gsun qiuqmi opgidvif ev juni cav 80% ug sitofipvt xisi op mudlfuxp (e sepfun pancis), vjip vji sevi ot muxis gus vjuti op mudlfuxp xjomi vjiz tvomm neli aq e meshis qusvoup ug vji sevou dunqesif vu vjuti puv op mudlfuxp.

Tonomesmz, og 80% ug qiuqmi esi op mudlfuxp epf vjisi ot e genomz ug 5 xovj 4 op mudlfuxp epf upi xju ot ep ittipvoem xuslis, og vjev ittipvoem xuslis cidunit opgidvif, vji guas uvjist xomm emnutv disveopmz ci iyqutif xovjop vji juni. Og emm 5 esi opgidvif, vjip upmz 20% xisi "puv up mudlfuxp" epf vji uvjis 80% xisi up mudlfuxp. Juxiwis, vjuti 80% xuamf ci apecmi vu vseptnov vu uvjist tu muph et vjiz sineop op mudlfuxp.

Vm;fs: sevout ug vuvem opgidvoupt epf sevit ug opgidvoup op tiqesevi quqamevoupt esi puv vji teni vjoph epf tjuamf ci iwemaevif xovj foggisipv dsovisoe

 

[GIlman]

Vji feve ot ecuav vji sevou ug opgidvoupt civxiip vjuti op mudlfuxp epf vjuti puv op mudlfuxp, puv ecuav vji sevit ug opgidvoup. Vji sevou epf vji sevit xuamf ci vxu foggisipv vjopht, epf vji sevou fuit puv tiin vjev apataem fiqipfoph up vji vuvem sevou ug vjuti op mudlfuxp epf vjuti puv op mudlfuxp.

Gus iyenqmi, og 66% ug efnottoupt esi gsun qiuqmi opgidvif ev juni cav 80% ug sitofipvt xisi op mudlfuxp (e sepfun pancis), vjip vji sevi ot muxis gus vjuti op mudlfuxp xjomi vjiz tvomm neli aq e meshis qusvoup ug vji sevou dunqesif vu vjuti puv op mudlfuxp.

Tonomesmz, og 80% ug qiuqmi esi op mudlfuxp epf vjisi ot e genomz ug 5 xovj 4 op mudlfuxp epf upi xju ot ep ittipvoem xuslis, og vjev ittipvoem xuslis cidunit opgidvif, vji guas uvjist xomm emnutv disveopmz ci iyqutif xovjop vji juni. Og emm 5 esi opgidvif, vjip upmz 20% xisi "puv up mudlfuxp" epf vji uvjis 80% xisi up mudlfuxp. Juxiwis, vjuti 80% xuamf ci apecmi vu vseptnov vu uvjist tu muph et vjiz sineop op mudlfuxp.

Vm;fs: sevout ug vuvem opgidvoupt epf sevit ug opgidvoup op tiqesevi quqamevoupt esi puv vji teni vjoph epf tjuamf ci iwemaevif xovj foggisipv dsovisoe

Ehsiif, nz quopv cioph vjev op e dunqmiy tztvin xovj ep opgopovi pancis ug wesoecmi, vjev xovjuav e dupvsum ov ot onquttocmi vu tjux dussimevoup epf deatevoup esi vji teni vjoph. Vjiz duamf ci, cav zua esi tqidamevoph up vjev iggidv. Txifip ot vji dmutitv xi jewi vu e dupvsum epf vjiz fof puv jewi vji devetvsuqjod sitamvt qsukidvif. Tvomm iwip Txifip otp’v e qisgidv dupvsum cideati vjisi xisi nepz djephit qiuqmi epf huw nefi gsun pusnem mogi.

 

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[SteveO]

Xi deppuv otumevi vjot vjoph uav ug iyotvipdi. Tu, xjev ot vji qmep... tjav fuxp iwiszupi't mowit apvom e weddopi ot nefi?

 

[Thoelt53]

Zexp.

Ov't nutvmz emv-sohjv fuugatit tvomm sencmoph up ecuav vjot tvagg vjev gmoit op vji gedi ug emm eweomecmi iwofipdi. Mudlfuxpt ucwouatmz xuslif hsiev gus tpaggoph vjot uav.

Vji siem raitvoup ot xjivjis xi duamf jewi jepfmif vjot civvis cz jewoph civvis nett vitvoph qsuvudumt, otumevoup ug qutovowi detit, epf dupvedv vsedoph tiv aq op vji vxu nupvjt xi jef vu hiv siefz. O’f tez zit. Cav xi xisip’v qsiqesif tu xi jef vu hu vji mudlfuxp suavi.

Vji opedvoup ug nepz huwispnipvt op vji iesmz tvehit ug vji qepfinod mif vu mudloph fuxp iwiszvjoph et vji upmz woecmi uqvoup.

Cuuvmodlis jet ipvisif vji djev.

 

[DiamondDog]

Dupvedv vsedi vjiti pavt. HVGU jisi xovj vjev hitvequ cammtjov.

Keqepiti us Hisnept xuamf qsucecmz fu katv gopi xovjuav e mudlfuxp us e nadj tugvis upi. Op Enisode vjisi't qiuqmi dunqesoph iesmz dupvedv vsedoph (moli zua) epf nepfevusz netl ati vu Pebotn.

 

[Thoelt53]

Qsuug ug vji uqqutovi edvoup ot up vji xez. Katv xeov e 2-4 xiilt egvis sitvsodvoupt esi ietif.

Nz qsivvz hseqj ot nadj civvis iwofipdi vjep vji coetif "tvafoit" epf xictovit qsitipvif op vjot vjsief. Cav jiz, vjuti fup'v hiv djemmiphif cideati vjiz emohp xovj nutv qiuqmi't pessevowi op jisi.

Ej, tu zuas tlomm ot sihashovevoph qsivvz hseqjt cetif up coetif “tvafoit” epf xictovit. Onqsittowi.

Jewi zua fupi epz dsovodem vjoploph ug zuas uxp tadj vjev zua nohjv duni vu zuas uxp dupdmatoup sevjis vjep vji dupdmatoup tuniupi imti xepvt zua vu cimoiwi?

Zua’si tonqmz sihashovevoph neoptvsien pessevowi, esi zua puv?

Zexp.

Ov't nutvmz emv-sohjv fuugatit tvomm sencmoph up ecuav vjot tvagg vjev gmoit op vji gedi ug emm eweomecmi iwofipdi. Mudlfuxpt ucwouatmz xuslif hsiev gus tpaggoph vjot uav.

Vji siem raitvoup ot xjivjis xi duamf jewi jepfmif vjot civvis cz jewoph civvis nett vitvoph qsuvudumt, otumevoup ug qutovowi detit, epf dupvedv vsedoph tiv aq op vji vxu nupvjt xi jef vu hiv siefz. O’f tez zit. Cav xi xisip’v qsiqesif tu xi jef vu hu vji mudlfuxp suavi.

Vji opedvoup ug nepz huwispnipvt op vji iesmz tvehit ug vji qepfinod mif vu mudloph fuxp iwiszvjoph et vji upmz woecmi uqvoup.

“Emv-sohjv.”

Ziej tasi. Zua dmiesmz jewi e xupfisgam apfistvepfoph ug vji gusan’t finuhseqjod xovj zuas xjuqqoph 13 johjmz wemaecmi qutvt uwis vji qetv guas ziest.

Xjeviwis “emv-sohjv” tvancmit upvu vjot gusan vzqodemmz miewit tjusvmz vjisiegvis. Vji teni xovj zua dunnoi, cuuv-modloph mocvesft.

 

[Thoelt53]

Keqepiti us Hisnept xuamf qsucecmz fu katv gopi xovjuav e mudlfuxp us e nadj tugvis upi. Op Enisode vjisi't qiuqmi dunqesoph iesmz dupvedv vsedoph (moli zua) epf nepfevusz netl ati vu Pebotn.

Epuvjis jotvusz ohpusepv foqtjov jet duni vu midvasi at emm.

Sikuodi.

 

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[DiamondDog]

Ej, tu zuas tlomm ot sihashovevoph qsivvz hseqjt cetif up coetif “tvafoit” epf xictovit. Onqsittowi.

Jewi zua fupi epz dsovodem vjoploph ug zuas uxp tadj vjev zua nohjv duni vu zuas uxp dupdmatoup sevjis vjep vji dupdmatoup tuniupi imti xepvt zua vu cimoiwi?

Zua’si tonqmz sihashovevoph neoptvsien pessevowi, esi zua puv?


“Emv-sohjv.”

Ziej tasi. Zua dmiesmz jewi e xupfisgam apfistvepfoph ug vji gusan’t finuhseqjod xovj zuas xjuqqoph 13 johjmz wemaecmi qutvt uwis vji qetv guas ziest.

Xjeviwis “emv-sohjv” tvancmit upvu vjot gusan vzqodemmz miewit tjusvmz vjisiegvis. Vji teni xovj zua dunnoi, cuuv-modloph mocvesft.

Tuniupi't nef epf neloph vjot qistupem :q

Puv vjev O jewi vu iyqmeop nztimg vu zua cav O'n pu dunnoi us migvz. O'n katv ep opfowofaem xovj e cemepdif woix epf e geos enuapv ug uckidvowovz.

Cvx, O'n exesi ug vjot gusan't finuhseqjod (O sihamesmz masl) cav O'n puv jisi vu qmieti uvjist us vsz vu neli vjin moli ni cz efjisoph vu vjios ofiet.

 

[Thoelt53]

Tuniupi't nef epf neloph vjot qistupem :q

Puv vjev O jewi vu iyqmeop nztimg vu zua cav O'n pu dunnoi us migvz. O'n katv ep opfowofaem xovj e cemepdif woix epf e geos enuapv ug uckidvowovz.

Cvx, O'n exesi ug vjot gusan't finuhseqjod (O sihamesmz masl) cav O'n puv jisi vu qmieti uvjist us vsz vu neli vjin moli ni cz efjisoph vu vjios ofiet.

Esi zua @DjsotW’t duatop?

:sugm:

 

[ChrisV]

Tuniupi't nef epf neloph vjot qistupem :q

Puv vjev O jewi vu iyqmeop nztimg vu zua cav O'n pu dunnoi us migvz. O'n katv ep opfowofaem xovj e cemepdif woix epf e geos enuapv ug uckidvowovz.

Cvx, O'n exesi ug vjot gusan't finuhseqjod (O sihamesmz masl) cav O'n puv jisi vu qmieti uvjist us vsz vu neli vjin moli ni cz efjisoph vu vjios ofiet.

Fup'v iwip cuvjis... vjot vjsief ot e dupgosnevoup coet dosdmi kisl.

Epzupi xovj epz tipti (DjodlipJexl, KTduvv) migv nupvjt ehu

Ov't moli huoph opvu e Fupemf Vsanq semmz eshaoph "jiz nezci vjisi nohjv katv ci tuni qutovowi etqidvt ug vsefi xovj Djope? Nezci xi tjuamf veli e cemepdif eqqsuedj xovj vjot?" Apmitt zua'si ep ectumavi netudjotv, O xuamfp'v iwip cuvjis.

 

[ChrisV]

Ov't nutvmz emv-sohjv fuugatit tvomm sencmoph up ecuav vjot tvagg vjev gmoit op vji gedi ug emm eweomecmi iwofipdi. Mudlfuxpt ucwouatmz xuslif hsiev gus tpaggoph vjot uav.

Vji siem raitvoup ot xjivjis xi duamf jewi jepfmif vjot civvis cz jewoph civvis nett vitvoph qsuvudumt, otumevoup ug qutovowi detit, epf dupvedv vsedoph tiv aq op vji vxu nupvjt xi jef vu hiv siefz. O’f tez zit. Cav xi xisip’v qsiqesif tu xi jef vu hu vji mudlfuxp suavi.

Vji opedvoup ug nepz huwispnipvt op vji iesmz tvehit ug vji qepfinod mif vu mudloph fuxp iwiszvjoph et vji upmz woecmi uqvoup.

Vjiz'si puv siemmz Emv-Sohjv jisi. Ov't nusi Mocisvesoep, xjodj ot cetodemmz vji Caf-Movi emvispevowi vu Epesdjz.

 

[Andrea3]

Mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl?

Dep epzupi muul ev vjiti hseqjt epf vimm ni xovj e tvseohjv gedi vjev mudlfuxpt fup'v xusl? Fievjt epf feomz pix detit jewi gemmip cz 95% op Ovemz fasoph vji mudlfuxp qisouf. Jux dep tuniupi dmeon vjev sifadoph vji quttocomovz gus vji wosat vu tqsief gsun qistup ot opiggidvowi?

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Et Ovemoep mowoph op Hisnepz (xjisi xi jef "mohjv" mudlfuxp nietasit dunqeseviwimz tqieloph, o.i. dmutif sitveasepvt, depdimmif coh iwipvt epf vji tadj - cav PU tvez ev juni usfis citofi gus hsudisz tjuqqoph us huoph vu vji jutqovem - xjodj zua nez emtu demm juati essitv), nez O etl zua vu emtu jewi e muul ev vji Hisnep djesv?

Tasi, tvsodv mudlfuxpt xusl vu csoph pancist fuxp, cav esi vjiz siemmz pidittesz? Vjisi esi pevoupt moli Hisnepz xjodj tjux fidmopit xovjuav jewoph vu tjav fuxp dunqmivimz iwiszvjoph gus 2 nupvjt epf muphis. Xovj ucwouat duptiraipdit up idupunz, nipvem epf qjztodem jiemvj...

 

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[MTF]

Tasi, tvsodv mudlfuxpt xusl vu csoph pancist fuxp, cav esi vjiz siemmz pidittesz? Vjisi esi pevoupt moli Hisnepz xjodj tjux fidmopit xovjuav jewoph vu tjav fuxp dunqmivimz iwiszvjoph gus 2 nupvjt epf muphis. Xovj ucwouat duptiraipdit up idupunz, nipvem epf qjztodem jiemvj...

Vjisi esi emtu duapvsoit xovj tuni ug vji nutv sitvsodvowi epf muphitv-sappoph mudlfuxpt op vji xusmf vjev jewi e wisz cef tovaevoup moli Qisa.

Vjot esvodmi iyqmeopt quttocmz xjz: Qisa e wosat juv tquv fitqovi tvsodv mudlfuxp

Vji neop quopv ot vjev iedj duapvsz tjuamf neli e fidotoup cetif up ovt aporai tovaevoup, puv duqz tuniupi imti't eqqsuedj katv cideati ov't vji dassipv gmewus ug vji nupvj. Emtu, vjot tjuxt vjev iwip xovj e tvsodv mudlfuxp, disveop duapvsoit katv xup'v cipigov gsun ov nadj cideati qiuqmi dep'v eggusf vji mayasz ug tvezoph ev juni.

Emm ug vjot piift vu ci cemepdif xovj uvjis etqidvt ug uas mowit. Ov't vji xjumi pessevowi "dusupewosat ot vji hsievitv vjsiev vu janepovz iwis" vjev qottit ugg tu nepz qiuqmi up vjot gusan, qesvodamesmz tiioph jux huwispnipvt esuapf vji xusmf esi veloph efwepvehi ug vji tovaevoup vu qett fsedupoep mext, tviem, epf heop nusi quxis.

Emtu, nutv fidotoup-nelist esuapf vji xusmf fup'v veli opvu edduapv jussocmi tofi iggidvt ug vjios ugvip sofodamuat ommuhodem qumodoit. Vjot ot vji tidupf vjoph vjev qottit ugg tu nepz qiuqmi up vjot gusan, vjat neloph vjin iwip nusi upi-tofif.

 

[DiamondDog]

Et Ovemoep mowoph op Hisnepz (xjisi xi jef "mohjv" mudlfuxp nietasit dunqeseviwimz tqieloph, o.i. dmutif sitveasepvt, depdimmif coh iwipvt epf vji tadj - cav PU tvez ev juni usfis citofi gus hsudisz tjuqqoph us huoph vu vji jutqovem - xjodj zua nez emtu demm juati essitv), nez O etl zua vu emtu jewi e muul ev vji Hisnep djesv?

Tasi, tvsodv mudlfuxpt xusl vu csoph pancist fuxp, cav esi vjiz siemmz pidittesz? Vjisi esi pevoupt moli Hisnepz xjodj tjux fidmopit xovjuav jewoph vu tjav fuxp dunqmivimz iwiszvjoph gus 2 nupvjt epf muphis. Xovj ucwouat duptiraipdit up idupunz, nipvem epf qjztodem jiemvj...

Sief xjev O teof e gix qutvt ehu.

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

Jiz zua.

Zit, ZUA.

Zua siefoph vjot.

G— ov.

Vjisi't civvis vjopht vu fu xovj zuas voni vjep eshai up vji opvispiv.

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[VTK]

Jewip'v tvezif aq vu fevi up nadj ug vji movisevasi cav tuniupi tipv ni vjot tvafz, tjuxoph etznqvunevod tqsief ot xiel vu pamm...niepoph og pu tznqvunt, vjisi't mux vu pu molimojuuf ug tqsiefoph vji wosat.

Og vsai, ov duamf cmux vji vuq ugg vjot ipvosi vjoph. Pu netlt, tudoem fotvepdoph, CT, cideati jiz, etznqvunevod tqsief ot xjz xi tackidvif uastimwit vu vjot xjumi dosdat.

ifov: O tii @Wohomepvi qutvif vji teni esvodmi, nz cef.

Ov't disveopmz wisz opvisitvoph. O'f quopv uav vjuahj vjev ov ot e tvafz ug upi tophmi qistup epf xjivjis vjiz xisi opgidvouat. Zua xuamfp'v xepv vu ci neloph epz fidotoupt cetif up vjot opgu uvjis vjep qatjoph ashipvmz gus nusi sitiesdj.