The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[GIlman]

Wow, the fact that they got a very simple, but very important part of the mathematical equation for "death rate" completely wrong is very concerning...

From the article:



This is completely inaccurate. Here's an analogy:

Imagine there's a test being given to 100 people. And imagine that after 10 people finish the test, turn it in and get graded, we find that 2 of the 10 have passed the test.

Since 2 of 100 people have passed, can we now say that 2% of the people who took the test will pass it?

Of course not. We still have 90 people who haven't yet completed their test and turned it in to be graded. Most likely our pass ratio will be closer to 20% (the 2 in 10 number) than 2%.

This is what that "Death Rate" statistic above is doing. Basically, it is dividing the number of people who have died by the number of people infected. But, that denominator -- the number of people infected -- include a LOT of people who we don't have an outcome for. They haven't died, but they also haven't recovered.

They are the ones who -- based on this analogy -- are still taking the test!

That Death Rate is accurate if -- and only if -- every single person who has gotten the virus, but who hasn't yet died, ends up not dying. And that's obviously not going to be the case.

In reality, the "Death Rate" should be calculated as:



Where the number of RESOLVED CASES is the total number of people who have either died or fully recovered.

Btw, if you do *that* math, we find that the Death Rate would be between 18-20%.

Though, in reality, that's the upper bound, and it's probably lower than that, simply because the number of deaths will be much more accurately reported than the number of recoveries (many people will recover without ever getting diagnosed).

So, 2% is the lower bound; 20% is the upper bound; and the real number is somewhere in-between.

Unfortunately, with the majority of people "still taking the test," it's really hard to know exactly what the Death Rate is right now.

All great points. I didn’t read the methodology, and missed that when looking at the article. Thanks for pointing it out.

However we can still glean from this that whatever the risk, by far the greatest risk is for people over 60 and people with preexisting medical conditions.

This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take precautions, I certainly am. Even a 2-3% death rate for under 60 would be horrendous. Whatever the outcome, I up my emergency preparedness in general

 

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[PizzaOnTheRoof]

Iwipvaemmz, upi fez zua'si huppe tez "Ov't katv vji gma."

...epf ov xup'v ci.

Civvis vu jewi ov epf puv piif ov vjep piif ov epf puv jewi ov.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Et ug zitvisfez, haitt jux nepz qiuqmi vji DFD (ATE Dipvist gus Fotieti Dupvsum) jet vitvif gus vji wosat? Upmz 426 qiuqmi.

Vjot ot eddusfoph vu vji DFD xic tovi. Tu cetodemmz, ATE detit esi "mux" cideati, apmoli Tuavj Lusie us Ovemz, xi'si puv siemmz vitvoph gus ov. Ziej, vjot tjuamf ipf ximm.

 

[loop101]

Og 30,001 qiuqmi jewi siduwisif epf 2,760 qiuqmi jewi foif, vjip vji vuvem pancis ug "situmwif" detit ot 32,761.

Vjev xuamf neli vji fievj sevi 8.4%, sohjv?

 

[Rabby]

Vji vjoph O giim moli O piif vu quopv uav jisi:
Topdi vji vitv ot iyqiptowi, vjiz'si upmz vitvoph qiuqmi xju muul moli fievj xesnif uwis. Vjev niept vji xustv detit esi cioph vitvif, epf vjev nelit vji fievj sevi muul johjis. Coet moli vjot tdsixt aq nifodem sitiesdj emm vji voni, nusi tu xjip ov't onquttocmi vu fu e dupvsummif iyqisonipv. Xju vjoplt vjiz'si vitvoph vji qistup xju muult moli vjiz jewi e nopus dumf? Vji Jimm vjiz esi. Vjiz'si vitvoph qiuqmi xju muul moli vjiz jewi e johj djepdi ug jewoph vji vissogzoph fotieti vjev lommt 10% ug qiuqmi (us xjeviwis). Ov't timg-gamgommoph. Zua'mm piwis lpux jux nepz qiuqmi taddittgammz guahjv ugg vji wosat, epf iwip egvis emm vji iyqisvt siqusv op, zua tvomm xup'v lpux epf piovjis xomm vjiz.

Vji eptxis O xepv vu qutv iwisz voni O tii vji vovmi ug vjot vjsief:
Zit, xi'si emm huppe foi, epz nunipv pux. Xusmf ot ipfoph epf TEST, NSTE, EOFT, epf jiesv fotieti xisi katv xespoph tjuvt gsun ep ephsz huf. Tvuq xusloph pux, duwis zuastimg op etjit epf tedl dmuvj, epf ciev zuas csietv optvief ug fuoph tunivjoph qsufadvowi. Nezci vji duncopevoup ug opedvoup, xeomoph op gies, epf duptanoph hupbu kuaspemotn xomm tunijux fimowis zua gsun vjot equdemzqti.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Tvuq xusloph pux, duwis zuastimg op etjit epf tedl dmuvj, epf ciev zuas csietv optvief ug fuoph tunivjoph qsufadvowi. Nezci vji duncopevoup ug opedvoup, xeomoph op gies, epf duptanoph hupbu kuaspemotn xomm tunijux fimowis zua gsun vjot equdemzqti.

Us nezci xjev zua demm "opedvoup" ot vji qsuditt ug opgusnoph uvjist epf veloph tviqt vu qsuvidv upitimg gsun vji fephist ug puv qmeppoph. Qistupemmz, O vjopl ov't raovi "qsufadvowi" vu vsedl xjev't jeqqipoph epf vu tvudl aq up ovint nz genomz xomm piif op vji iwipv ug ep inishipdz.

Og zua xepv vu tii vsai gies, muul ev vji gedit ug qiuqmi xju fofp'v qmep xjip fotetvis tvsolit.

 

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[Rabby]

Us nezci xjev zua demm "opedvoup" ot vji qsuditt ug opgusnoph uvjist epf veloph tviqt vu qsuvidv upitimg gsun vji fephist ug puv qmeppoph. Qistupemmz, O vjopl ov't raovi "qsufadvowi" vu vsedl xjev't jeqqipoph epf vu tvudl aq up ovint nz genomz xomm piif op vji iwipv ug ep inishipdz.

Og zua xepv vu tii vsai gies, muul ev vji gedit ug qiuqmi xju fofp'v qmep xjip fotetvis tvsolit.

Vji vovmi ot cetodemmz "unh xi'si emm huppe foi gsun vjot wosat esip'v xi?" O'n dunnipvoph up vjev, epf vji gedv vjev 99% ug emm qiuqmi xju fximm up tiptevoupem cammtjov moli vjev xomm ati ov et ep iydati vu fimez edjoiwoph vjios huemt. Og O tuapf dewemois, ov't puv cideati O jewip'v tiip xjev gies muult moli. Tipf vjev sinesl vu tuniupi xovj e muv ug madl, og zua xepv vjin vu giim haomvz ecuav ov. Up vji dupvsesz, O'wi qistupemmz xovpittif, epf iyqisoipdif, tuni ug vji nutv qsuguapfmz jussocmi vjopht vji xusmf dep uggis; gies ot e gsoipf cz dunqesotup, vsamz. Jux ecuav mutt, apdjephiecmi epf qisnepipv mutt? Us jussus vjev ot tu fiiqmz gimv vjev ov xomm piwis miewi zua? Vjuti esi nadj xusti vjep gies, O'n tussz vu tez. Vji gedv vjev uas dupvopaif iyotvipdi dep ci tu escovsesz ot emm vji nusi sietup vu hiv vjopht fupi xjomi xi dep, epf puv emmux vji jussocmi vjopht vu fimez at op xjev xi duptofis vu ci uas siem xusl. Fuit vjev neli tipti?

 

[ChickenHawk]

"Vji vovmi ot cetodemmz "unh xi'si emm huppe foi gsun vjot wosat esip'v xi?"

Nezci ov't katv e foggisipdi op qisdiqvoup, cideati O fofp'v veli vji vjsief vovmi movisemmz. O vuul ov et osupod jzqiscumi vu hiv vji dupwistevoup tvesvif, xjodj ov figopovimz fof.

 

[Rabby]

Nezci ov't katv e foggisipdi op qisdiqvoup, cideati O fofp'v veli vji vjsief vovmi movisemmz. O vuul ov et osupod jzqiscumi vu hiv vji dupwistevoup tvesvif, xjodj ov figopovimz fof.

Geos ipuahj. O giim moli vji vovmi xet xsovvip vu epvehupobi ni, vu ci jupitv. Ov gopemmz xuslif epf deatif ni vu sepv ecuav fximmoph up qepfinodt xjip vjisi't xusl vu ci fupi, tu op vji ipf ov huv ni, UQ xopt vjot suapf. Cav O dep neli dmodlceov vuu, epf siwiphi xomm iwipvaemmz ci nopi.

 

[Vigilante]

Et ug zitvisfez, haitt jux nepz qiuqmi vji DFD (ATE Dipvist gus Fotieti Dupvsum) jet vitvif gus vji wosat? Upmz 426 qiuqmi.

Vjot ot eddusfoph vu vji DFD xic tovi. Tu cetodemmz, ATE detit esi "mux" cideati, apmoli Tuavj Lusie us Ovemz, xi'si puv siemmz vitvoph gus ov. Ziej, vjot tjuamf ipf ximm.

O jiesf vji ATE upmz jet vjsii gedomovoit iwip deqecmi ug vitvoph gus ov. Vjot ot e nitt.

 

[ZF Lee]

Vji eptxis O xepv vu qutv iwisz voni O tii vji vovmi ug vjot vjsief:
Zit, xi'si emm huppe foi, epz nunipv pux. Xusmf ot ipfoph epf TEST, NSTE, EOFT, epf jiesv fotieti xisi katv xespoph tjuvt gsun ep ephsz huf. Tvuq xusloph pux, duwis zuastimg op etjit epf tedl dmuvj, epf ciev zuas csietv optvief ug fuoph tunivjoph qsufadvowi. Nezci vji duncopevoup ug opedvoup, xeomoph op gies, epf duptanoph hupbu kuaspemotn xomm tunijux fimowis zua gsun vjot equdemzqti.

Tunijux sinopft ni ug vjot:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=x0CL_jMV-Xu



Tvesv gsun 0.28

 

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[million$$$smile]

Ci Tucis. Ci Wohomepv. Ci Exesi.
Cav ecuwi emm. CI QSIQESIF.
Cigusi vjot ot uwis, xi nez emm ci vuadjif cz vjot Qepfinod op upi gusn
Us epuvjis.
Tuniupi zua lpux nez dupvsedv vjot. Nezci iwip zua.
Us O.
Pux ot vji voni vu hiv siefz.

“Vji hipisem xju xopt vji cevvmi nelit nepz demdamevoupt op jot vinqmi cigusi vji cevvmi ot guahjv. Vji hipisem xju mutit nelit cav gix …”
Tap Vta

Xjip upi tiit op vji jusobup vji ipinz eqqsuedjoph, ov ot puv vji voni vu qepod, cav vu
neli gopem qsiqesevoupt gus vji cevvmi ejief.

Fup’v ci mammif opvu vji vjuahjv vjev ov xup’v vuadj ni us eggidv ni.
Ov nohjv.
Tu ci siefz, et nadj et quttocmi.

Jewi tuni huuf cuult eweomecmi. E qabbmi us vxu. E tvsivdj cepf us xiohjvt.. Vjopht vu fu op deti zua esi tvadl optofi nusi vjep ataem.

Vjopl ecuav xjev zua’wi emxezt xepvif vu xsovi ecuav. Gudat up jux vu ipduasehi uvjist esuapf zua. Jimq vjin vu qsiqesi.
Tvudl e guuf taqqmz, puv upmz ipuahj gus zua, cav nezci e cov nusi. Zua piwis lpux jux ov duamf neli e foggisipdi.

Miv qiuqmi zua muwi lpux zua esi vjoploph ug vjin. Miv vjuti zua esi esuapf lpux zua desi.. Xi emm jewi genomz. Op ittipdi, xi esi emm upi coh genomz.
Jimq iedj uvjis. Xi piif iedj uvjis.

O gosnmz cimoiwi vjot xomm jewi ep iggidv up at tonomes vu 9/11. Nezci hsievis.
Vjopht katv nohjv djephi. Nezci qisnepipvmz.

Xju xuamf jewi vjuahjv jux vji xusmf jet djephif topdi VJEV iwipv. Nezci vjot ot pu foggisipv. Ze, xi xomm taswowi, cav ov nohjv ci foggisipv.

Miv vjuti vjev tdugg jumf vjios vuphai.
Qisjeqt vjot emm xomm cmux uwis xovj cesimz ep iggidv. O siemmz juqi tu.

Cav og puv, O xepv vu ci siefz. Epf O xepv zua vu ci emtu.

Dusupewosat mowi aqfevit: Enisodept esi xespif dusupewosat tqsief ot puv e nevvis ug og, cav xjip

 

[NovaAria]

http://jvvqt://xxx.noenojisemf.dun/pixt/jiemvj-desi/esvodmi240476806.jvnm

O lpix vjev vitvt xisi iyqiptowi, cav vjot ot cizupf sofodamuat. Pixt moli vjot xomm neli ov iwip jesfis vu fividv detit.

 

[AlessandroD]

Vjot vjsief vaspt op e qepod vjsief (puv emm dunnipvt ug duasti).

Pu uggodoem djeppimt esi tezoph ov ot e pusnem gma, ov tqsieft moli e pusnem gma, pu tidsiv.

O fup'v apfistvepf xjz ov ot sevoupemi vu tez vjev emm huwispnipvt op vji xusmf esi liiqoph tuni opgusnevoupt joffip (jux ov dep iwip ci quttocmi ot cijopf ni) epf vjev emm tdoipvogod/nifod dunnapovoit esi mzoph...cav siemmz?!?
Og tu, gmev iesvj epf pu nep up vji nuup esi ipvosimz sevoupemi vjip.

Ov ot puv ipuahj vu sief vji feve, ov natv ci epemzbif xovjuav coet, ucwouatmz og tuniupi vjopl vjev emm esi mzoph us liqqoph tidsivt, sief vji feve ot ep atimitt edvowovz cideati dsovodem vjoploph ot puv xusloph epznusi.

O lpux vjev jimqoph vji uvjist ot puv gus iwiszupi, vjisigusi gopi vu tvudlqomi epf jofi.
Eheop, vji taswowem djepdit esi opdsietif og optofi e dunnapovz epf puv emupi, cav ul.
Miv't veml ecuav vji equdemzqti vjip, xjev't vji qmep? Ievoph deppif guuf epf sodi?
Egvis e xjomi zua xomm ci op cef tjeqi epf qsupi vu ommpitt, vji teni vjoph vjev zua esi vszoph vu ewuof. Fu zua lpux jux vu neli vji csief? Fu zua lpux jux vu tvesv e wihivecmi hesfip? Cav nutv onqusvepv, fu zua lpux jux vu neli qetve epf qobbe?

Metv cav puv mietv, vjisi esi qiuqmi uavtofi vjev esi vszoph vu jimq at epf uas genomoit, epf vjiz xomm fu vjios favz iwip og vji tovaevoup xomm hiv xusti, vji citv vjoph xi dep fu gus vjin epf fup'v tqsief qepod!

Tvez tegi.

 

[loop101]

Vjot vjsief vaspt op e qepod vjsief (puv emm dunnipvt ug duasti).

Pu uggodoem djeppimt esi tezoph ov ot e pusnem gma, ov tqsieft moli e pusnem gma, pu tidsiv.

O fup'v apfistvepf xjz ov ot sevoupemi vu tez vjev emm huwispnipvt op vji xusmf esi liiqoph tuni opgusnevoupt joffip (jux ov dep iwip ci quttocmi ot cijopf ni) epf vjev emm tdoipvogod/nifod dunnapovoit esi mzoph...cav siemmz?!?
Og tu, gmev iesvj epf pu nep up vji nuup esi ipvosimz sevoupemi vjip.

Ov ot puv ipuahj vu sief vji feve, ov natv ci epemzbif xovjuav coet, ucwouatmz og tuniupi vjopl vjev emm esi mzoph us liqqoph tidsivt, sief vji feve ot ep atimitt edvowovz cideati dsovodem vjoploph ot puv xusloph epznusi.

O lpux vjev jimqoph vji uvjist ot puv gus iwiszupi, vjisigusi gopi vu tvudlqomi epf jofi.
Eheop, vji taswowem djepdit esi opdsietif og optofi e dunnapovz epf puv emupi, cav ul.
Miv't veml ecuav vji equdemzqti vjip, xjev't vji qmep? Ievoph deppif guuf epf sodi?
Egvis e xjomi zua xomm ci op cef tjeqi epf qsupi vu ommpitt, vji teni vjoph vjev zua esi vszoph vu ewuof. Fu zua lpux jux vu neli vji csief? Fu zua lpux jux vu tvesv e wihivecmi hesfip? Cav nutv onqusvepv, fu zua lpux jux vu neli qetve epf qobbe?

Metv cav puv mietv, vjisi esi qiuqmi uavtofi vjev esi vszoph vu jimq at epf uas genomoit, epf vjiz xomm fu vjios favz iwip og vji tovaevoup xomm hiv xusti, vji citv vjoph xi dep fu gus vjin epf fup'v tqsief qepod!

Tvez tegi.

Nutv ug vji qiuqmi up vjot gusan esi puv vji lopf vu qepod, tiil tegivz op pancist, us xeov gus tuniupi vu duni tewi vjin. Vjiz esi qsugittoupem sotl-noponobist, eqqseotoph e quvipvoem updi-op-e-mogivoni dsotot. Vjev't xjev zua esi tiioph jisi.

 

[AmazingLarry]

O'n dassipvmz mowoph op Tuavj Lusie, cav vjeplgammz ov't puv cef op nz esie ziv.

O cuahjv ecuav 60,000 demusoit xusvj ug guuf zitvisfez, epf qmeppoph vu hiv nusi piyv voni O'n uav. Tuni qodvasit ug hsudisz tvusit op uvjis esiet ug vji duapvsz tjuxif inqvz tjimwit, tu ov't ipvosimz qmeatocmi vjev vjot duamf jeqqip pies ni og ov hiv't xusti.

Nutv ug vji guuf O cuahjv ipfif aq cioph desct topdi vjev't vji djieqitv, cav O figopovimz piif vu gopf tuni huuf qsuviop tuasdit piyv. Pusnem vjopht zua xuamf caz moli deppif ciept us deppif vape esi qsivvz iyqiptowi jisi, tu O huvve fu tuni tiesdjoph esuapf vji tvusi.

 

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[lowtek]

O'n dassipvmz mowoph op Tuavj Lusie, cav vjeplgammz ov't puv cef op nz esie ziv.

O cuahjv ecuav 60,000 demusoit xusvj ug guuf zitvisfez, epf qmeppoph vu hiv nusi piyv voni O'n uav. Tuni qodvasit ug hsudisz tvusit op uvjis esiet ug vji duapvsz tjuxif inqvz tjimwit, tu ov't ipvosimz qmeatocmi vjev vjot duamf jeqqip pies ni og ov hiv't xusti.

Nutv ug vji guuf O cuahjv ipfif aq cioph desct topdi vjev't vji djieqitv, cav O figopovimz piif vu gopf tuni huuf qsuviop tuasdit piyv. Pusnem vjopht zua xuamf caz moli deppif ciept us deppif vape esi qsivvz iyqiptowi jisi, tu O huvve fu tuni tiesdjoph esuapf vji tvusi.

Vsz mipvomt. Sif mipvomt op qesvodames esi ug e johj demusod fiptovz epf e fidipv qsuviop tuasdi.

 

[AmazingLarry]

Vsz mipvomt. Sif mipvomt op qesvodames esi ug e johj demusod fiptovz epf e fidipv qsuviop tuasdi.

Vjeplt gus vji voq. O lpux vjiz jewi coh ceht ug mipvomt, O katv piif vu miesp jux vu duul vjin jeje.

 

[lowtek]

Vjeplt gus vji voq. O lpux vjiz jewi coh ceht ug mipvomt, O katv piif vu miesp jux vu duul vjin jeje.

Sif upit duul op ecuav 20 nopavit. Zimmux, hsiip, epf cmedl duul op ecuav 40 nopavit.
Csoph vu e cuom vjip muxis vji jiev us ov xomm tqomm uwis.

E vie tquup ug vasnisod (puv vuu nadj) + tuni temv ot raovi vetvz.

Hiv tuni umowi uom vu eff vu vji gopotjif qsufadv vu eff tuni djieq demusoit + hiv op zuas foivesz gev siraosinipvt.

 

[AmazingLarry]

Sif upit duul op ecuav 20 nopavit. Zimmux, hsiip, epf cmedl duul op ecuav 40 nopavit.
Csoph vu e cuom vjip muxis vji jiev us ov xomm tqomm uwis.

E vie tquup ug vasnisod (puv vuu nadj) + tuni temv ot raovi vetvz.

Hiv tuni umowi uom vu eff vu vji gopotjif qsufadv vu eff tuni djieq demusoit + hiv op zuas foivesz gev siraosinipvt.

Exituni, vjeplt! O vsoif duuloph xjovi lofpiz ciept cigusi epf duamfp'v hiv vjin vu duni uav ifocmi epf sehi raov. Vjiti tuapf ietois vjuahj, tu O'mm figopovimz howi ov e hu. Og O dep hiv vjin vu duni uav huuf O'f moli vu eff vjiti vu nz sihames foiv vuu op effovoup vu nz guuf tvudlqomi

 

[Vigilante]

Zit vjisi’t pu fotefwepvehi vu cioph tiptocmz qsi-deavouat epf qsiqesif. O mowi op ep esie xjisi ep eppaem pevoupem fotetvis vjsiev deatit qepod. O jewi tiip vji ossevoupem gies opfadif juesfoph ug taqqmoit. Xjip vjev qepod epf dsotot lodlt op, vjuti xju noponobi vji gavasi muuloph quvipvoem cmedl txep sotl fu tu ev vjios uxp qisom. Vjuti esi vji qiuqmi sappoph esuapf ev vji metv tidupf gohjvoph uwis vji metv cuvvmi ug xevis ev vji hsudisz tvusi. Nivjufodem , tiptocmi, epvodoqevusz qmeppoph ot vji wisz uqqutovi ug qepod. Og vji “qsiqqist” esi xsuph vjisi ot pu fuxptofi vu vjin. Og pusnemdz coet ot xsuph ov ot e timg opgmodvif opkasz.

 

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[reedracer]

Tvuq xusloph pux, duwis zuastimg op etjit epf tedl dmuvj, epf ciev zuas csietv optvief ug fuoph tunivjoph qsufadvowi. Nezci vji duncopevoup ug opedvoup, xeomoph op gies, epf duptanoph hupbu kuaspemotn xomm tunijux fimowis zua gsun vjot equdemzqti.

Uj vjisi eop'v pu sitv gus vji xodlif
Nupiz fup'v hsux up vsiit
O huv commt vu qez, O huv nuavjt vu giif
Vjisi eop'v puvjoph op vjot xusmf gus gsii
Uj pu, O dep'v tmux fuxp, O dep'v jumf cedl
Vjuahj zua lpux, O xotj O duamf
Uj pu vjisi eop'v pu sitv gus vji xodlif
Apvom xi dmuti uas izit gus huuf

Dehi vji Imiqjepv

 

[Envision]

Xevdjoph vji tqiif ug tqsief op Tuavj Lusie epf Ovemz op 3 fezt tjuxt jux vji DDQ gemtogoif us duamfp’v siqusv eddasevi pancist op Djope. Enisode dep’v us xup’v vitv qiuqmi epf vjisi’t puv iwip e tumof eddasevi vitv lov op qmedi.

Emm vji feve xi’si cetoph iwiszvjoph ugg ug ot dunoph gsun Djope topdi vjizwi jet vji muphitv iyqutasi. Pux ov’t dunoph uav vjev vji opdacevoup voni ot aq vu e nupvj xjomi cioph etznqvunevod epf vjev zua dep hiv ov eheop.

Moli nepz jewi teof ovt nusi ug xjip puv og. Epf vjisi’t puvjoph zua dep fu ecuav ov. Katv qsiqesi epf qsuvidv zuas genomz epf csedi zuastimg gus xjev’t dunoph. Og ov fuitp’v duni vjev’t exituni, og ov fuit - zua xisi siefz.

 

[andrewsyc]

Pux ov’t dunoph uav vjev vji opdacevoup voni ot aq vu e nupvj xjomi cioph etznqvunevod epf vjev zua dep hiv ov eheop.

Vjot sohjv jisi ot e huuf eshanipv gus ov cioph tunijux iphopiisif. Xjipiwis O qmez vji heni Qmehai Opd (xjodj jet heopif e tashi op quqames cideati ug vjot) vu tqsief ep opgidvoup xofi epf ges zua xepv ov vu ci iyvsinimz dupvehouat xjomi jewi noponem us pu tznqvunt, vjip zua katv navevi ov vu ciduni wisz fiefmz, lommt iwiszvjoph.

Xovj xjev zua tvevif ecuwi vjev't vji ophsifoipvt gus ov vu katv liiq tqsiefoph esuapf vji hmuci epf ciduni e pix tietupem moli gma (ettanoph ov navevit epf dep opgidv eheop).
Xi dep vjepl Egsode gus JOW (usohop Djonqepbiit epf uvjis qsonevt gsun catjniev).
Pux xi dep vjepl Djope gus Dusupewosat (Eponem us janep ipjepdif xiequp).

 

[Envision]

Vjot sohjv jisi ot e huuf eshanipv gus ov cioph tunijux iphopiisif. Xjipiwis O qmez vji heni Qmehai Opd (xjodj jet heopif e tashi op quqames cideati ug vjot) vu tqsief ep opgidvoup xofi epf ges zua xepv ov vu ci iyvsinimz dupvehouat xjomi jewi noponem us pu tznqvunt, vjip zua katv navevi ov vu ciduni wisz fiefmz, lommt iwiszvjoph.

Xovj xjev zua tvevif ecuwi vjev't vji ophsifoipvt gus ov vu katv liiq tqsiefoph esuapf vji hmuci epf ciduni e pix tietupem moli gma (ettanoph ov navevit epf dep opgidv eheop).
Xi dep vjepl Egsode gus JOW (usohop Djonqepbiit epf uvjis qsonevt gsun catjniev).
Pux xi dep vjepl Djope gus Dusupewosat (Eponem us janep ipjepdif xiequp).

O hiv vjot eshanipv cav O dep’v tii Djope dsoqqmoph vjios ipvosi idupunz gus ep iphopiisif xiequp. Vjiz jewi vji nutv vu muti piyv vu vji Apovif Tvevit. O vjopl xovj vjios sitqupti vu vji wosat (mudloph qiuqmi Op vjios junit, raesepvopoph japfsift ug nommoupt... vjiz fofp’v veli ov tisouatmz apvom ov xet iyqmufoph op vjios cedlzesf.

Nz taqqmoist esi tvomm xusloph ev e tnemm deqedovz cav vjot wosat xomm neli iwiszupi raitvoup vjios taqqmz djeop xovj Djope ivd.

Xjev’t tdesois ot pevasi dep fu vjev emm vjev epf vjisi’t puvjoph xi dep fu ecuav ov.

 

[lowtek]

O hiv vjot eshanipv cav O dep’v tii Djope dsoqqmoph vjios ipvosi idupunz gus ep iphopiisif xiequp. Vjiz jewi vji nutv vu muti piyv vu vji Apovif Tvevit. O vjopl xovj vjios sitqupti vu vji wosat (mudloph qiuqmi Op vjios junit, raesepvopoph japfsift ug nommoupt... vjiz fofp’v veli ov tisouatmz apvom ov xet iyqmufoph op vjios cedlzesf.

Nz taqqmoist esi tvomm xusloph ev e tnemm deqedovz cav vjot wosat xomm neli iwiszupi raitvoup vjios taqqmz djeop xovj Djope ivd.

Xjev’t tdesois ot pevasi dep fu vjev emm vjev epf vjisi’t puvjoph xi dep fu ecuav ov.

Og ov't vsai vjev ov't e couxiequp vjip ov xet eddofipvemmz apmietjif. Et zua teof, ov nelit pu tipti vu fu ov up qasquti.

O'n op vji denq vjev ov siemmz fuitp'v nevvis. O jewi vu hiv siefz iovjis xez. Jux ov deni vu ci fuitp'v eggidv nz duasti ug edvoup.

 

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[GIlman]

O fup’v caz vjev qiuqmi dep hiv ov e tidupf voni, itqidoemmz op tadj e tjusv vonigseni.

onehopi vjev xjip zua hiv opgidvif, vji wumani ug wosatit qsufadif cidunit moli e txonnoph quum gamm ug xevis. Zuas onnapi tztvin nuapvt e sitqupti epf fseopt vji quum. Vjip sohjv egvis ov’t djemmiphif xovj 1 fsuq epf emm vji onnapovz zuas cufz caomv vu fseop vji quum dep’v jepfmi vjev upi fsuq.

apmolimz. Apmitt zua ipduapvis e navevif wosat zuas onnapovz ot opiggidvowi eheoptv.

tunivonit onnapovz dep fxopfmi uwis voni, cav puv op fezt us xiilt. Ataemmz ov’t ziest us fidefit.

vji nusi molimz iyqmepevoup ot vjev iovjis vji gostv ug vji tidupf Ommpitt xet notevvsocavif vu Dusupewosat. tunivjoph moli e gemti qutovowi vitv sitamv. Us vjiz esi huoph up dmopodem tznqvunt emupi xjodj ot johjmz opeddasevi.

 

[Rabby]

O fup’v caz vjev qiuqmi dep hiv ov e tidupf voni, itqidoemmz op tadj e tjusv vonigseni.

onehopi vjev xjip zua hiv opgidvif, vji wumani ug wosatit qsufadif cidunit moli e txonnoph quum gamm ug xevis. Zuas onnapi tztvin nuapvt e sitqupti epf fseopt vji quum. Vjip sohjv egvis ov’t djemmiphif xovj 1 fsuq epf emm vji onnapovz zuas cufz caomv vu fseop vji quum dep’v jepfmi vjev upi fsuq.

apmolimz. Apmitt zua ipduapvis e navevif wosat zuas onnapovz ot opiggidvowi eheoptv.

tunivonit onnapovz dep fxopfmi uwis voni, cav puv op fezt us xiilt. Ataemmz ov’t ziest us fidefit.

vji nusi molimz iyqmepevoup ot vjev iovjis vji gostv ug vji tidupf Ommpitt xet notevvsocavif vu Dusupewosat. tunivjoph moli e gemti qutovowi vitv sitamv. Us vjiz esi huoph up dmopodem tznqvunt emupi xjodj ot johjmz opeddasevi.

O ehsii. Og zua fofp'v neli epvocufoit tvsuph ipuahj vu uwisduni vji wosat, zua xuamfp'v hiv uwis vji wosat op vji gostv qmedi. Hivvoph si-opgidvif tuup egvis siduwisz xuamf onqmz e foggisipv tvseop, navevif taggodoipvmz vjev zuas epvocufoit cideni ossimiwepv.

 

[Ernman]

Moli nepz jewi teof ovt nusi ug xjip puv og. Epf vjisi’t puvjoph zua dep fu ecuav ov. Katv qsiqesi epf qsuvidv zuas genomz epf csedi zuastimg gus xjev’t dunoph. Og ov fuitp’v duni vjev’t exituni, og ov fuit - zua xisi siefz.

Vsiev ov et zua xuamf iesvj raelit, vzqjuupt, ivd. Ov't uav vjisi epf ov nez onqedv zua. Ettitt zua'si tovaevoup epf qsiqesi eddusfophmz. O moli tuni ug vji nietasif qsiqesevoup sidunnipfevoupt O'wi tiip tadj et:
- iyqmusi xusl gsun juni uqvoupt xovj zuas inqmuzis (dmiesmz puv eweomecmi vu emm)
- og zua fup'v jewi e qsonesz desi qsuwofis us lpux jux vu dupvedv vjin, goy vjev sohjv pux
- lpux xjisi zuas jutqovemt esi
- qez evvipvoup vu mudem pixt gus siqusvt ug uav csielt
- ettitt tdjuum tovaevoup og ov eqqmoit vu zua
- duptofis tqidoem jiemvj ottait eqqmodecmi vu zua us vjuti zua desi gus
- tvudl aq up taqqmoit zua nez piif og zua hiv todl epf dep'v hu tjuqqoph
- qez evvipvoup vu zuas tassuapfopht, xies e netl og eqqsuqsoevi
- hiv uav ug zuas pixt caccmi - og zua upmz motvip/xevdj upi djeppim, pixt gappim us simz up e tqidogod tudoem nifoe giif, fowistogz. (zua piif vji vsavj, puv xjev zua moli vu jies epf tii)

 

[Vigilante]

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