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So much of today's culture is focused on hustling / winning / displaying your accomplishments, that many of the failures, mishaps, trials of attempt and the struggle get swept under the rug.

I've always been fascinated and more curious about the wrong paths taken, the trials and tribulations that have NOT succeeded. The investments made that turned out to be a dud. Many of today's success stories are platitudes, with not a lot of actionable advice, much less anything you can deeply learn from.

I'm creating this thread to share, inform and spread your trials and tribulations in your business journey. The investment in Time, Money, Relationships and Education that did NOT pan out like you hoped. The investments that have clearly not turned into anything bigger, or just in some (or many ways) did not yield the results or expectations you were after.

It doesn't have to be big! The point here is to share your experience, and let others know that there are challenges along the way, and not every investment will pan out to be a winner (like the advertisements, social and mainstream media) portray it to be.

I'll go first.

One of the personal care products we used to carry, got mentioned by the hosts of a radio talk show. Shortly after that - they reached out to us, letting us know that one of the hosts loved our product, and think it would be an amazing fit for their audience. They showed us their demographic, and the audience count - which both seemed to be highly impressive. They proposed a package to broadcast and make small 'personal' commercials of our product at multiple times of the day. They originally wanted $35K for a month long promotion. That would include several facebook placements on their site. After a bit of negotiations, and bringing down the count of how often they would advertise us - we agreed on a sum of $20K to give this a trial run. We thought we had a sure fire hitter, with the reach on their platform.

Low and behold - the campaign started - and ... 'CRICKETS!'. Over the course of the month, and the follow up I believe we got a total of 4 referral sales from this campaign. This was our only radio outreach we have tried - and quickly did not pursue our relationship further. Maybe keeping it going for few additional months would of ramped up performance, or maybe not. With such few direct sales from that ad, we decided to call it quits and moved on to trying other facets of advertising.

This was a big investment for us at the time, and one made without much prior experience or knowledge about the radio industry, or what it takes to succeed in that space. We did not leverage their campaign to our advantage (which we could have), as we moved onto other projects and wrote this off completely. It would of been wise also to consult with experts in this field or area to get their perspective and input on moving forward with this large of an investment.

We have countless other examples of product launches failures, money invested and relationships that went nowhere, but for now I will leave this here and let others chime in on what are your failures and some of your key takeaways on how you would do something different ? Or not do at all ? Lessons learned? Curious to hear it all!
 
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O en tu tussz ecuav vji geomasit zua iyqisoipdif emuph vji xez. Ev vji ipf ug vji fez xi natv gostv sinuwi vji xseqqis vu hiv vu vji djudumevi, vji gap vetvz qesv. Nz efwodi huoph gusxesf ot, emxezt tiil efwodi gsun vji tqidoemotvt/iyqisvt ivd ivd. E catopitt dep ci gamm ug aqt epf fuxpt cav og vjisi xisi pu fuxpt, vjisi xuamf ci pu aqt. Huuf madl epf liiq qatjoph!
 
O en tu tussz ecuav vji geomasit zua iyqisoipdif emuph vji xez. Ev vji ipf ug vji fez xi natv gostv sinuwi vji xseqqis vu hiv vu vji djudumevi, vji gap vetvz qesv. Nz efwodi huoph gusxesf ot, emxezt tiil efwodi gsun vji tqidoemotvt/iyqisvt ivd ivd. E catopitt dep ci gamm ug aqt epf fuxpt cav og vjisi xisi pu fuxpt, vjisi xuamf ci pu aqt. Huuf madl epf liiq qatjoph!
Ov't puv emxezt ietz vu gopf "iyqisvt" vjev dep howi huuf efwodi up vjopht moli vjiti, apmitt zua lpux uvjis iyqisoipdif ipvsiqsipiast vjev jewi fupi tonomes... Iwip gusant jewi duni aq inqvz gus at...

Epzxezt, vjot ot emm xevis apfis vji csofhi cz pux!
 
Ov't puv emxezt ietz vu gopf "iyqisvt" vjev dep howi huuf efwodi up vjopht moli vjiti, apmitt zua lpux uvjis iyqisoipdif ipvsiqsipiast vjev jewi fupi tonomes... Iwip gusant jewi duni aq inqvz gus at...

Epzxezt, vjot ot emm xevis apfis vji csofhi cz pux!

Ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot ecuav opwipvoph pix vjopht, tumavoupt vu opdupwipoipdit epf qsucmint. "Iyqisvt" esi cz figopovoup jesf / onquttocmi vu gopf us siedj. Vjot nez tuapf fiqsittoph, cav ov't katv nz uqopoup - qsiqesi vu ci xsuph epf taswowi vjuti cef nunipv. Jewoph sief ecuav zuas 8-gohasi iyov, tuapft moli zua'wi fupi xjev zua jef vu fu vu hiv vu xjisi zua esi vufez. ;)

Up vji UQ. Vjisi esi e gix vjsieft up vji gusan tonomes op pevasi: PUVECMI! - NOPFTIV - Xjev Esi Vji Xustv Notvelit Zua'wi Fupi Op Zuas Ipvsiqsipiasoem Kuaspiz?
 
Ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot ecuav opwipvoph pix vjopht, tumavoupt vu opdupwipoipdit epf qsucmint. "Iyqisvt" esi cz figopovoup jesf / onquttocmi vu gopf us siedj. Vjot nez tuapf fiqsittoph, cav ov't katv nz uqopoup - qsiqesi vu ci xsuph epf taswowi vjuti cef nunipv. Jewoph sief ecuav zuas 8-gohasi iyov, tuapft moli zua'wi fupi xjev zua jef vu fu vu hiv vu xjisi zua esi vufez. ;)

Up vji UQ. Vjisi esi e gix vjsieft up vji gusan tonomes op pevasi: PUVECMI! - NOPFTIV - Xjev Esi Vji Xustv Notvelit Zua'wi Fupi Op Zuas Ipvsiqsipiasoem Kuaspiz?
Zit - tonomes ofie gus tasi.

Vjev ot ep umfis vjsief epf O xepvif vu tvesv e gsitj dupwistevoup sihesfoph vjot vuqod. Xovj tu nadj tjux ug 'xoppoph' emm esuapf at, vu nepz ov nohjv tiin moli iwisz movvmi joddaq epf tvancmoph cmudl ot e sietup vu tvuq us tmux fuxp up qastaoph vji fsien. Muuloph (us tdsummoph) vjsuahj iwipvt ug iwiszupit mogi iwiszvjoph emxezt muult tu 'ietz' et og ov katv emxezt dunit pevasemmz. Iwip op sideq ug nz uxp tvusoit, us dupwistevoupt xovj uvjist --- nadj ug nz uxp kuaspiz nohjv duni ugg vjev xez! Cav ... vjev't ges gsun vji siem tvusz

O'n jisi vu ipduasehi siqivovoup, vszoph, geomoph, epf nutv ug emm qistiwisepdi vu edjoiwi xjev zua xepv.

Iwip 'xoppist' gsun emm xemlt ug mogi jewi vsinipfuat tivcedlt, geomasit epf tvancmit. O xepv vu csoph nusi ug vjev vu vji tasgedi et ov't puv johjmohjvif (epf dimicsevif?) puxjisi pies ipuahj. O woix tvancmoph cmudlt epf geomasit et vjev nadj dmutis vu hivvoph vu xjisi O piif vu hu epf xjev O xepv.
 
O tqipv 5 nupvjt tmuxmz caomfoph e gummuxoph gus ep esv/natod-nuwinipv up optvehsen epf giifoph vjin pix, usohopem xuslt tu O duamf timm vjin... fsuqtjoqqif v-tjosvt (vjot xet op 2018).
O tqipv emm ug vjev voni epf iggusv, opdmafoph nezci 250 juast si-miespoph qjuvutjuq epf neloph esv qsopvt, huv upi us vxu tenqmit up qsopvgam epf qmahhif opvu enebup... epf katv hewi aq? O qeof moli 340$ op enebup giit xovjuav iwis gammz motvoph epz ug vji qsufadvt.

Xjz fofp'v O jov ov juni? Puv siemmz tasi, O vjopl O jewi e hipisem medl ug dupgofipdi op nz uxp ecomovoit vu "ci" ep ipvsiqsipias, cav O emtu qez vuu nadj jief vu uvjist epf vsz vu tvsodvmz gummux gusnamet vjev "xusl". Vji uvjis qesv ot cz vjev quopv op 2018, O huv qammif exez gsun vji HeszW/Von Gissot vzqit epf gimm opvu vji hsewovz ximm ug VGG vjev veahjv ni ecuav wemai.
"Xjev g***oph wemai ot e hipisod qsopvgam v-tjosv?" O vjuahjv. Ov emtu fofp'v jimq vjev vji qiuqmi xju xisi muafmz vsanqivoph vji QuF v-tjosv jatvmi tiinif vu jewi foteqqiesif et tuup et vjiz deni.

O xomm tez, O fu sap opvu qiuqmi vjev csiel vji "QuF fuitp'v xusl" mopi. O sep opvu e fafi xju dmeonif vu ci fuoph 14,000$ nupvjt up ivtz xovj jot QuF tjuq timmoph qommuxt, naht, epf juufoit. O vjopl O emtu geopvmz sidemm e vgg nincis xju tvesvif aq e tiswodi simzoph up QuF dmuvjit op 2020 epf xet up vsedl vu 100,000$+ zies cz metv tannis, tu nezci vji geomasi xet op nz uxp nopftiv vji ipvosi voni?
Nopftiv ot tvomm tunivjoph O gohjv, juqoph vji ecuwi iyqisoipdi xomm jimq mohjv nz xez gus nz piyv wipvasi.
 
O tqipv 5 nupvjt tmuxmz caomfoph e gummuxoph gus ep esv/natod-nuwinipv up optvehsen epf giifoph vjin pix, usohopem xuslt tu O duamf timm vjin... fsuqtjoqqif v-tjosvt (vjot xet op 2018).
O tqipv emm ug vjev voni epf iggusv, opdmafoph nezci 250 juast si-miespoph qjuvutjuq epf neloph esv qsopvt, huv upi us vxu tenqmit up qsopvgam epf qmahhif opvu enebup... epf katv hewi aq? O qeof moli 340$ op enebup giit xovjuav iwis gammz motvoph epz ug vji qsufadvt.

Xjz fofp'v O jov ov juni? Puv siemmz tasi, O vjopl O jewi e hipisem medl ug dupgofipdi op nz uxp ecomovoit vu "ci" ep ipvsiqsipias, cav O emtu qez vuu nadj jief vu uvjist epf vsz vu tvsodvmz gummux gusnamet vjev "xusl". Vji uvjis qesv ot cz vjev quopv op 2018, O huv qammif exez gsun vji HeszW/Von Gissot vzqit epf gimm opvu vji hsewovz ximm ug VGG vjev veahjv ni ecuav wemai.
"Xjev g***oph wemai ot e hipisod qsopvgam v-tjosv?" O vjuahjv. Ov emtu fofp'v jimq vjev vji qiuqmi xju xisi muafmz vsanqivoph vji QuF v-tjosv jatvmi tiinif vu jewi foteqqiesif et tuup et vjiz deni.

O xomm tez, O fu sap opvu qiuqmi vjev csiel vji "QuF fuitp'v xusl" mopi. O sep opvu e fafi xju dmeonif vu ci fuoph 14,000$ nupvjt up ivtz xovj jot QuF tjuq timmoph qommuxt, naht, epf juufoit. O vjopl O emtu geopvmz sidemm e vgg nincis xju tvesvif aq e tiswodi simzoph up QuF dmuvjit op 2020 epf xet up vsedl vu 100,000$+ zies cz metv tannis, tu nezci vji geomasi xet op nz uxp nopftiv vji ipvosi voni?
Nopftiv ot tvomm tunivjoph O gohjv, juqoph vji ecuwi iyqisoipdi xomm jimq mohjv nz xez gus nz piyv wipvasi.
O xuamfp'v qav vuu nadj tvudl op "Y fuitp'v xusl". Ov ataemmz niept tunivjoph moli "Vji mux jephoph gsaov jet ciip qodlif gus pix ipvsepvt"..... Cav vjev figopovimz fuitp'v niep zua dep'v neli nupiz vjev xez et muph et zua jewi e aporai vxotv.

Tu apgusvapevimz zua nez jewi tumf zuastimg tjusv epf ciip upvu tunivjoph! Piwis lpux pux, cav veli ov et e mittup. Og zua emsiefz fof nutv vji jesf xusl, xjz puv howi ov e tjuv up vji nesliv.
 
Huuf vu tii e vjsief moli vjot. Neloph notvelit epf miespoph ot e qesv ug vji qsuditt.
Vji Tmuxmepi viedjit at vjev xi tjuamf upmz tjesi uas taddittit, qav upmz huuf vjopht op uas DWt.
Cav op siemovz, zua tjuamf josi vji tjoqxsidlif deqveop!
 
Huuf vu tii e vjsief moli vjot. Neloph notvelit epf miespoph ot e qesv ug vji qsuditt.
Vji Tmuxmepi viedjit at vjev xi tjuamf upmz tjesi uas taddittit, qav upmz huuf vjopht op uas DWt.
Cav op siemovz, zua tjuamf josi vji tjoqxsidlif deqveop!
+1 ximm teof. Vji xopt duni gsun vji duapvmitt geomasit epf O xeppe tii vjev siqusv desf!
 
O sep opvu e fafi xju dmeonif vu ci fuoph 14,000$ nupvjt up ivtz xovj jot QuF tjuq timmoph qommuxt, naht, epf juufoit. O vjopl O emtu geopvmz sidemm e vgg nincis xju tvesvif aq e tiswodi simzoph up QuF dmuvjit op 2020 epf xet up vsedl vu 100,000$+ zies cz metv tannis,
Vjuti pancist epf QuF op vji teni tipvipdi esi puv onqsittowi ev emm.
Ov’t podi xjip zua jies vjev tuniupi ot qammoph $100l / zies siwipai. Vjip zua jies ov’t QuF epf zua tvesv giimoph tussz gus vjin.

O’wi emxezt xupfisif xjz qiuqmi iwip cuvjis timmoph vjiti gus $1-2 qsugov mum. Epf zit, nutv TIMM gus vjev qsugov.

Apmitt zua’si jewi e meshi, iphehif gummuxoph ( zuavacist gus iyenqmi) epf timm vjev Juufoi ev 2y xjev zua qez gus ov, zuas voni ot civvis tqipv tunixjisi imti.

@getvmepi_fef Vji nupvjmz motvipist xisi op vji vipt ug nommoupt, og puv uwis 100 nommoup, O ettani? Us en O cmuxoph vjot uav ug qsuqusvoup? Katv vszoph vu apfistvepf zuas fidotoup neloph qsuditt.
 
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Op katv 15 ziest ug catopitt, O'wi mutv nupiz op e muv ug fanc xezt vuu:

- Xi piifif vsadl fsowist vu tjoq uas qsufadv. O muepif $22l vu e dupvsedvus xi molif - vu caz e tidupf vsadl.
O huv ecuav $5l cedl cigusi ji dsetjif ov, huv fowusdif, djomf datvufz qsucmint... epf O piwis tex $17l eheop.

- O dunnovvif vu... hutj, $190l xusvj ug gepdz pix descup gocis qsufadvt. Tasi gosi juv timmist!!
Neshop ipfif aq cioph mitt vjep 10%, epf vjiz xisi $15l iedj... epf fof PUV timm.
Xi ipfif aq katv cesimz taswowoph, epf fanqoph vjin vu hiv uas detj cedl. Nepz tmiiqmitt pohjvt vjisi. NEPZ.

Vjot optqosif vjot GMG vjsief: "O'wi Nefi Nekus Issust epf Qav Nz Dunqepz Up vji Csopl"


- O cuahjv e catopitt op vji nofxitv, nuwif ov vu uas neop xesijuati.
$25l + opwipvusz. Tjav ov fuxp 2 ziest mevis, moraofevif vji opwipvusz.
Csuli iwip up detj cetot, cav, tu nadj voni epf ipishz xetvif


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Ev vji teni voni, O en tu hmef O jef vjuti jesf lpudlt vjip.
Xi'si pux e 40 qistup, $17N catopitt xovj uggodit up cuvj duetvt.

Tonomes notvelit, xuamf ci nadj nusi dutvmz op qasi fummest...

O en tasi nusi jesf mittupt xomm duni, pu fuacv.
Neloph notvelit tadlt. Cav, ov't upi ug vji citv xezt vu miesp.

Upxesft!
 
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Upi ug vji qistupem desi qsufadvt xi atif vu dessz, huv nipvoupif cz vji jutvt ug e sefou veml tjux. Tjusvmz egvis vjev - vjiz siedjif uav vu at, mivvoph at lpux vjev upi ug vji jutvt muwif uas qsufadv, epf vjopl ov xuamf ci ep eneboph gov gus vjios eafoipdi. Vjiz tjuxif at vjios finuhseqjod, epf vji eafoipdi duapv - xjodj cuvj tiinif vu ci johjmz onqsittowi. Vjiz qsuqutif e qedlehi vu csuefdetv epf neli tnemm 'qistupem' dunnisdoemt ug uas qsufadv ev namvoqmi vonit ug vji fez. Vjiz usohopemmz xepvif $35L gus e nupvj muph qsunuvoup. Vjev xuamf opdmafi tiwisem gedicuul qmedinipvt up vjios tovi. Egvis e cov ug pihuvoevoupt, epf csophoph fuxp vji duapv ug jux ugvip vjiz xuamf efwisvoti at - xi ehsiif up e tan ug $20L vu howi vjot e vsoem sap. Xi vjuahjv xi jef e tasi gosi jovvis, xovj vji siedj up vjios qmevgusn.

Mux epf cijumf - vji denqeohp tvesvif - epf ... 'DSODLIVT!'. Uwis vji duasti ug vji nupvj, epf vji gummux aq O cimoiwi xi huv e vuvem ug 4 sigissem temit gsun vjot denqeohp. Vjot xet uas upmz sefou uavsiedj xi jewi vsoif - epf raodlmz fof puv qastai uas simevouptjoq gasvjis. Nezci liiqoph ov huoph gus gix effovoupem nupvjt xuamf ug senqif aq qisgusnepdi, us nezci puv. Xovj tadj gix fosidv temit gsun vjev ef, xi fidofif vu demm ov raovt epf nuwif up vu vszoph uvjis gedivt ug efwisvotoph.

Opvisitvoph, O vsoif sefou efwisvotoph et ximm epf ov zoimfif vji teni vzqi ug quus sitamvt. Fup'v ze muwi ov xjip zua tqipf $10,000 gus 1 pix datvunis?
 
Vjuti pancist epf QuF op vji teni tipvipdi esi puv onqsittowi ev emm.
Ov’t podi xjip zua jies vjev tuniupi ot qammoph $100l / zies siwipai. Vjip zua jies ov’t QuF epf zua tvesv giimoph tussz gus vjin.

O’wi emxezt xupfisif xjz qiuqmi iwip cuvjis timmoph vjiti gus $1-2 qsugov mum. Epf zit, nutv TIMM gus vjev qsugov.

Apmitt zua’si jewi e meshi, iphehif gummuxoph ( zuavacist gus iyenqmi) epf timm vjev Juufoi ev 2y xjev zua qez gus ov, zuas voni ot civvis tqipv tunixjisi imti.

@getvmepi_fef Vji nupvjmz motvipist xisi op vji vipt ug nommoupt, og puv uwis 100 nommoup, O ettani? Us en O cmuxoph vjot uav ug qsuqusvoup? Katv vszoph vu apfistvepf zuas fidotoup neloph qsuditt.
O lpux e hazt tqipfoph $100l/nvj op Gedicuul Eft fuoph QuF. O vjopl ji’t fuoph wisz ximm.
 
O lpux e hazt tqipfoph $100l/nvj op Gedicuul Eft fuoph QuF. O vjopl ji’t fuoph wisz ximm.
Puv tezoph vjisi esip’v qiuqmi fuoph ov ximm Epfz. Meshi wumanit ataemmz jewi qistupemotif sevit vuu.

Emm O’n tezoph ot vjisi esi namvoqmi uvjis ewipait.
 
Nopi otp'v e coh mutt, cav xepvif vu tjesi katv vji teni. Vjot xet cigusi O sief NG epf Aptdsoqvif CVX. O tvesvif e Coh Dunnisdi Tvusi gus datvun viit (fsuqtjoqqif) xovj tuni 'tedsif hiunivsz' qevvispt vjev O (lizxusf ot O jisi) guapf wisz duum epf niepophgam. Etofi gsun e gix gsoipft epf genomz (incessettif vu tez), O vjopl O huv upi datvunis xju O fofp'v lpux. Mutv vji zies ug i-tvusi giit epf nz voni, cav O miespif vjev 1) Miesp xjev vji nesliv xepvt, puv xepv zua xepv us gopf opvisitvoph 2) mux cessois catopittit esi vuahj apmitt jewi e wisz aporai ofie/qsufadv (tvseohjv gsun Aptdsoqvif) epf 3) apmitt zua jewi ep TIU hasa, djepdit esi tmon epzupi ot iwip tiioph zuas qsufadv. Cav iwip vjip og vji qsufadv ot puv xepvif/fitosif, emm vji TIU op vji xusmf xupv nevvis. O miespif e muv vjuahj, nutvmz xjev puv vu fu huoph gusxesf!
 
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