Power generation by using unusable heat

[RevI]

not exactly the same... you might find it interesting

Know about this video for a long time.

 

[OMDA]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQwgBAaBag&t=1070s

not exactly the same... you might find it interesting

This reminds me of windsurfing/hydrofoiling. There's the wind you feel standing still and there's wind that you feel that is a combination of the wind and your own motion, the "apparent wind".

I regularly go ~2x faster than the absolute wind, but not dead downwind like this car. It's fastest going perpendicular to the wind, or maybe a little bit away from the wind. The other day it was 8-14mph or so and I hit 24mph at peak speed. I feel the 20+mph wind at that speed and can hang off the sail. Standing still, with the board not moving, I can't hang off the sail, I would just fall in the water.

There's a lot more going on with this car and the apparent wind as well as the connection of the fan to the wheels.

 

[RevI]

How can this post be relevant to the main topic?

 

[AmazingLarry]

If you put a turbine on top of a car, you might get a little bit of energy back, but every power generation method operates at less than 100% efficiency.

So no, it wouldn’t provide unlimited energy.

Like @lowtek said, unless you just made the greatest discovery in human history, this is physically impossible.

Perpetual motion machines do not exist. (Unless you just discovered the greatest thing in human history, rewriting all of science forever, which I doubt)

Every method possible for generating energy loses some of that energy in the process.

This. Add it to the list of perpetual motion scams

 

[RevI]

This. Add it to the list of perpetual motion scams

Here come Mr. Scambuster for howling "SCAM! SCAM!" without knowing anything.

 

[thechosen1]

Here come Mr. Scambuster for howling "SCAM! SCAM!" without knowing anything.

Why can no machine be 100% efficient? + Example

Because of gravity and friction No machine is free from the effects of gravity, and even with wonderful lubrication, friction always exists. The energy a machine produces is always less than the energy put into it (energy input). Most machines transfer energy from one place or another, or...

socratic.org

Perpetual Motion Machines: Working Against Physical Laws

For centuries, people have been trying to invent perpetual motion machines. The laws of physics, though, are working against them.

www.livescience.com

Maybe you just defeated Edison, Newton, Einstein, and Tesla to become the greatest scientist of all time!

If so, you should be talking to the news media, MIT, going for your Nobel Prize, not posting here

 

[RevI]

WO2009117620 ATMOSPHERIC POWER VENTURI TURBINE

A wind tunnel like device for converting potential energy of the atmosphere into useful mechanical work or electric power. The device is intended to harness more energy than it requires to operate, An artificial atmosphere difference induction type wind power generator is disclosed which is able...

patentscope.wipo.int

This is an approved patent.

 

[OMDA]

WO2009117620 ATMOSPHERIC POWER VENTURI TURBINE

A wind tunnel like device for converting potential energy of the atmosphere into useful mechanical work or electric power. The device is intended to harness more energy than it requires to operate, An artificial atmosphere difference induction type wind power generator is disclosed which is able...

patentscope.wipo.int

This is an approved patent.

Then why hasn't it been made already?

My name is on several approved patents, most of which are for devices that will never see the light of day. This is because we come up with ideas and the company patents them before we even try to develop it into a real device. That doesn't mean that it is actually feasible/worthwhile to do.

I don't see how this device stays running. You'd need to input power to get it going, and then ??? Granted I haven't done the math, but it seems like perpetual motion.

 

[RevI]

I don't see how this device stays running. You'd need to input power to get it going, and then ??? Granted I haven't done the math, but it seems like perpetual motion.

Perpetual motion machines create energy out of nothing. But that machine doesn't claim so. All details are given in the description, kindly read and decide. There are some maths there in the application.

 

[Lyinx]

Perpetual motion machines create energy out of nothing. But that machine doesn't claim so. All details are given in the description, kindly read and decide. There are some maths there in the application.

basically (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), 3 parts

3. a blower (which is pulling air through the wind tunnel at a small speed, which is increased by the tunnel becoming larger at the other end)
2. a turbine (to make electric from the narrow stream of air)
1. a reverse wind tunnel (where air is being drawn into)


in layman's terms, we could get the same effect, if we:
10 foot wide tunnel
reduced to 1" at the far end
attach shop vac to 1" opening of the tunnel
put a turbine in the middle of the 10-foot wide tunnel

the turbine would spin at a high rate of speed because the shop vac is sucking that much air through it that it makes the turbine spin at a mad speed.

Better yet, increase the size of the tunnel to 20 feet and the small size to 1/2", or even better, down to 1/4" and you would get an even bigger suction effect....

Does that sound like it Revl?

 

[thechosen1]

WO2009117620 ATMOSPHERIC POWER VENTURI TURBINE

A wind tunnel like device for converting potential energy of the atmosphere into useful mechanical work or electric power. The device is intended to harness more energy than it requires to operate, An artificial atmosphere difference induction type wind power generator is disclosed which is able...

patentscope.wipo.int

This is an approved patent.

There are lots of patents that never get built in real life because they can't be built in real life.

I'm all for innovation and breaking the mold - I'm just pointing out something you learn very early on when you start reading about inventions and patents.

You can, in fact, get a patent for something that has never been proven to work.

 

[RevI]

Does that sound like it Revl?

It's called Venturi Effect.

 

[mdot]

It's called Venturi Effect.

I don't think that was the question - does @Lyinx 's description match your general premise?

 

[RevI]

I don't think that was the question - does @Lyinx 's description match your general premise?

I have already told that the basic principle behind the invention is Venturi Effect.

 

[Lyinx]

I have already told that the basic principle behind the invention is Venturi Effect.

so, the venturi effect would be even greater if you had a 200 foot wide tunnel, and then narrowed it down to a 1" pipe and attach a dewalt shop vac on the other end.... hmmm....

you could put a 200 foot wide turbine on there, and power an entire city.... or not...

 

[RevI]

so, the venturi effect would be even greater if you had a 200 foot wide tunnel, and then narrowed it down to a 1" pipe and attach a dewalt shop vac on the other end.... hmmm....

Not possible! There are limitations. But, I don't want to discuss that here.

 

[Lyinx]

Not possible! There are limitations. But, I don't want to discuss that here.

Ventur effect should increase with size, not diminish... unless there is a problem with your math?

 

[RevI]

Ventur effect should increase with size, not diminish... unless there is a problem with your math?

There is a final frontier to the increase. You need to know about Venturi Effect a little more.

 

[peterb0yd]

so... then why are you here? Wouldn't those people have contacts you could leverage?

None of this makes any sense.

I've fallen for a trap like this before so I feel adequately prepared to answer this.

Let's call it, The "Brilliant" Engineer That Needs Your Funds Trap.

There are two possibilities... and the shitty part is that if the engineer is smart enough, you'll never get any sort of conclusion. You'll never really know which possibility is the real one.. You'll always be in a state of wonder.

Possibility #1) They are genuinely smart and came up with a solution that seems correct on paper. They might have made an error somewhere, but they're too caught up in their visions of grandeur that they never double-check their work. They'll also never give you enough information to check their work because their ego won't allow them to be proven wrong. They'll always give you an excuse for why they can't provide more info.

Possibility #2) They are a genuinely smart but evil person that wants you to pay their bills. They will promise you the world... but it's always just out of reach. They need more funding. They need to land a contract with an impossible company to work with. They need six more months. They need... [fill in the blank]

What should you do?

Walk away and don't look back. Ever.

They are energy and money vampires.

If they were legitimate, they wouldn't be talking to you in a place like this. Instead, they'd be like Lonnie Johnson who patented his invention and then went straight to the people who needed it.

You've been warned!

 

[RevI]

Possibility #1) They are genuinely smart and came up with a solution that seems correct on paper. They might have made an error somewhere, but they're too caught up in their visions of grandeur that they never double-check their work. They'll also never give you enough information to check their work because their ego won't allow them to be proven wrong. They'll always give you an excuse for why they can't provide more info.

You can have sufficient information if you are ready to sign an NDA. So, no question of "they can't provide more info" type blockhead talks.

Possibility #2) They are a genuinely smart but evil person that wants you to pay their bills. They will promise you the world... but it's always just out of reach. They need more funding. They need to land a contract with an impossible company to work with. They need six more months. They need... [fill in the blank]

So far, not a single cent has been demanded yet. Just show me an example and I will stop.
NDA's are very common and those who are acquainted with the inventing and innovating, know well how much necessary it is for an inventor/innovator.

 

[Lyinx]

So far, not a single cent has been demanded yet. Just show me an example and I will stop.

See below:

This. I need the finance for prototyping and testing. After prototyping and patent application filed, there wouldn't be big problem to market it. I know necessary resources.

done.

 

[thechosen1]

I've fallen for a trap like this before so I feel adequately prepared to answer this.

Let's call it, The "Brilliant" Engineer That Needs Your Funds Trap.

There are two possibilities... and the shitty part is that if the engineer is smart enough, you'll never get any sort of conclusion. You'll never really know which possibility is the real one.. You'll always be in a state of wonder.

Possibility #1) They are genuinely smart and came up with a solution that seems correct on paper. They might have made an error somewhere, but they're too caught up in their visions of grandeur that they never double-check their work. They'll also never give you enough information to check their work because their ego won't allow them to be proven wrong. They'll always give you an excuse for why they can't provide more info.

Possibility #2) They are a genuinely smart but evil person that wants you to pay their bills. They will promise you the world... but it's always just out of reach. They need more funding. They need to land a contract with an impossible company to work with. They need six more months. They need... [fill in the blank]

What should you do?

Walk away and don't look back. Ever.

They are energy and money vampires.

If they were legitimate, they wouldn't be talking to you in a place like this. Instead, they'd be like Lonnie Johnson who patented his invention and then went straight to the people who needed it.

You've been warned!

You are correct, but this is kind of entertaining.

 

[Lyinx]

You provided a link to the patent, which provides an exact drawing of the product, I give a legit reason as to why I do not think it will work, and you simply said that it doesn't work that way. Feel free to explain further if I was wrong, but I do not see the need for an NDA, When the first model hits the store shelf, then anybody in public can buy one and dissemble it and see the goods. Additionally, you need to be willing to sue a person (in their own state/country) for breaking an NDA, which means you would have funds to make this machine work without additional funding.

Catch-22: if you have the funds to sue someone for infringing an NDA, then you never needed the funds to produce the product, and, if you don't have the funds to make the product, then it's pointless to worry about an NDA, so, feel free to explain away as to how it works, or post a video on the forum and we'll give your idea a whirl.

 

[RevI]

done.

There are big differences between a proposal and demand. Can you differentiate between the two?

Catch-22: if you have the funds to sue someone for infringing an NDA, then you never needed the funds to produce the product, and, if you don't have the funds to make the product, then it's pointless to worry about an NDA, so, feel free to explain away as to how it works, or post a video on the forum and we'll give your idea a whirl.

Kindly leave that part to me. I need the NDA. Whether I have the fund to sue someone for breaching the contract isn't a matter of concern for anyone other than me. And I know how to deal with such issues in my own way.

 

[RevI]

I have a question for others in this thread. Who (out of all of those who have posted here) have so far dealt with any kind of invention/innovation either by being an inventor/innovator or do some business with any kind of innovation/invention?

 

[alexkuzmov]

I am an Indian physics graduate and I have been researching on my personal effort on a new kind of technology that can convert atmospheric heat into useful power/electricity and I have succeeded. It's actually a combination of a market available blower and a new kind of turbine that is the main part. The turbine has already been built and tested. A 1 meter diameter prototype can generate 3 kW output at 8 m/s wind. While a market available 1 meter diameter and just 50% efficient blower can generate 8 m/s airflow at the expense of just 500 W.
I am now looking for partnership to develop it further. Can anybody here help anyhow in this regards? I am requesting those who are interested to have some idea about the technology first and then decide. It's a new and disruptive technology so an investor certainly have full right to get necessary information about this technology.

Come on man. Join us in reality.
None of what you are saying makes sense, everyone can see it.

Living a fantasy outside reality is not living.
Saying something IS when its NOT is a path to nothing.

 

[RevI]

Come on man. Join us in reality.
None of what you are saying makes sense, everyone can see it.

Living a fantasy outside reality is not living.
Saying something IS when its NOT is a path to nothing.

Everyone with blindfolds in their eyes can see it. I agree. And both "fantasy" and "innovation" needs some imagination capability that most like you lacks here.

 

[alexkuzmov]

Everyone with blindfolds in their eyes can see it. I agree. And both "fantasy" and "innovation" needs some imagination capability that most like you lacks here.

So I take it you prefer the fantasy world?
Thats cool, at least you know where your road will lead you to.

 

[Alferez]

Reading several topics in this forum, it seems like it is packed of scam or may be genuine people that don't want to take risk, they want you to take it.

Anyway, it's a good practice to see that world if filled with traps.

 

[RevI]

Thats cool, at least you know where your road will lead you to.

I know it well. Today morning I have got a signed NDA from an interested party from US.

Anyway, it's a good practice to see that world if filled with traps.

And opportunities too. It's upto your capability to differentiate between a trap and an opportunity.