• Discuss Entrepreneurship | Start-Ups | Starting a Business | Wealth | Money | Success | Investing
  1. Escape the Grind. Resurrect The Dream. Live Happily Ever After.

    Become an UNSCRIPTED™Entrepreneur.

    Don’t just build a business—build a life and a legacy. UNSCRIPTED™ Entrepreneurship is a specific subset of business creation that awakens dreams, frees time, and explodes incomes—but more importantly, it changes lives.

    Make no mistake; this isn’t something you “try”— this is something you live.
    KICKSTART YOUR PERSONAL REVOLUTION TODAY.
    Get The Book(s) Download More Info Register
    Registering for the forum removes this block!

Change Yourself.
Change Your Life.
Change The World.

Join now and within minutes, you can start getting advice from real millionaire entrepreneurs who live the dream.

Sidewalk Person claims its immoral to be rich

Discussion in 'The Sidewalk' started by juan917, Apr 17, 2017.

Tags:
  1. Kak
    Offline

    Kak Legendary Contributor LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    3,974
    Likes Received:
    8,797
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2011
    Rep Bank:
    $25,548
    Do it.
     
    Valor, OldFaithful, JAJT and 2 others like this.
  2. arfadugus
    Online

    arfadugus Bronze Contributor Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    283
    Likes Received:
    223
    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $861
    It's immoral to NOT be rich. Anyone reading this has it so easy compared most people. We are so lucky to be born in this part of the world (not just America) and in this time in history. It is our duty to help the world become a better place. Saying it's immoral to be rich is either a lame justification, or it's said by someone who isn't a deep thinker. (confusing correlation and causation)
     
    cmor16 and jon.a like this.
  3. JayPrince
    Offline

    JayPrince New Contributor

    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    18
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $118
    You don't need that kind of negativity in your life son
     
  4. JAJT
    Online

    JAJT Ha Ha! Business LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    1,686
    Likes Received:
    5,465
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $26,143
    Atlas Shrugged is one book everyone should read, whether they think they'll consider it "evil" or not. It's one of the only books I've ever read or heard about where you can give it to two different people and ask them to describe it and you'd swear they were talking about two separate books.

    The "bleeding heart" liberal folks will say:

    - Promotes greed
    - Evil
    - Unrealistic
    - Shits on the poor
    - Ignores all the hardships that the lower classes struggle with
    - Proves that the rich would rather leave society than help even one other person

    (for what it's worth these folks are so ridiculous they often say this about the book without ever having read it...)

    The "wealthy minded" folks will say:

    - Promotes independent thought
    - Be responsible for yourself
    - Intelligence is paramount
    - Add tremendous value and receive tremendous rewards
    - Don't let others steal your efforts
    - You can't be forced to think and produce against your will
    - Demand your worth
    - You should get what you deserve, not what you need

    It's an excellent example of how two different mindsets can take the same input and get such different output from it. It's a perfect analogy for how these two different folks live their lives between the victim mentality and the responsibility mentality. One will complain about a problem, the other will see an opportunity. One will demand more because they need it, the other will go out and get it.

    I read Atlas Shrugged first and Fountainhead second. Atlas is the better book BY FAR. Fountainhead was more of a story with vague ideas of what Rand was trying to convey. Atlas Shrugged is where she figured out what she was trying to say and said it perfectly.

    (There are still problems with Atlas though... it's written rather poorly as far as novels go and I don't know a single person who likes the 90 page diatribe of a radio broadcast in the middle but it's still a damn important read and one of my favorite books of all time).
     
    edward ace, Kak, Kingmaker and 5 others like this.
  5. MidwestLandlord
    Online

    MidwestLandlord Platinum Contributor FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    728
    Likes Received:
    3,523
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $19,059
    I disagree with this so much.

    I don't have the duty to help just because I was born American and have opportunity not afforded to others in the world.

    That's no different than what the OP's post is about (the guy who wrote the article, not @juan917 )

    Just because someone has something others don't (wealth; born in a capitalistic society) does NOT make them obligated to use those resources to improve the lives of other's that have less.

    Now, if someone has more, and CHOOSES to help others...that's living right in my book.

    I give my TIME and my MONEY to help the cause I believe in (Suicide prevention), because I CAN, because I WANT to, and because it is a cause that means a great deal to me.

    I would rather my moral character guide me in improving the world, and not some false construct of moral obligation and duty created by society based on the guilt of having "more".
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2017
  6. Raoul Duke
    Offline

    Raoul Duke wubba lubba dub dub FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    469
    Likes Received:
    1,350
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $9,378

    The Revolutionary Philosophy of Atlas Shrugged | The New Individualist | The Atlas Society
     
  7. Digamma
    Offline

    Digamma Gold Contributor Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    681
    Likes Received:
    1,734
    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $10,743
    Opened the thread for the memes. Was not disappointed.
     
    jon.a likes this.
  8. OldFaithful
    Offline

    OldFaithful Silver Contributor Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    500
    Likes Received:
    686
    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Northwest Indiana
    Rep Bank:
    $4,540
    I'd bet that the author of this statement is struggling to pay his/her rent, is still paying off a bunch of student loans, and/or knows someone dying of some painful medical condition that is being paid for in it's entirety by the insurance company...which is essentially being paid by other insurers.

    The author is displaying the very same selfishness that "the rich" are being accused of.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2017
    edward ace likes this.
  9. InspireHD
    Offline

    InspireHD Bronze Contributor FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    133
    Likes Received:
    287
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $1,304
    I ended up taking the book off my bookshelf and began reading it last night. I read some more this morning and find myself reading a page or two every time I pass by it. It's daunting at 1000+ pages, but I'm intrigued enough that I'm going to go for it. I'll probably only read it before I go to bed so it might take me a little while.

    I started reading that link, but don't want to read any spoilers. I stopped at this quote, "However, the final title, Atlas Shrugged, concisely symbolizes the book’s plot: the rebellion of the unrecognized and often persecuted creative heroes who bear the rest of the world on their shoulders." Now, I'm really interested!

    Thanks for all of the recommendations and the confirmations!
     
    G-Man, Kak, Kingmaker and 3 others like this.
  10. JAJT
    Online

    JAJT Ha Ha! Business LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    1,686
    Likes Received:
    5,465
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Rep Bank:
    $26,143
    For comparison's sake:

    The Lord of the Rings Trilogy - 473,000
    Atlas Shrugged - 645,000 words
    The Harry Potter Series - Around 1,000,000

    Read it anyway :)
     
  11. The-J
    Online

    The-J Legendary Contributor LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    3,087
    Likes Received:
    5,261
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2011
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario
    Rep Bank:
    $10,166
    Simple economics explains why this is wrong.

    Here's some truths for you, author of this stupid article. First: capitalism does not guarantee, nor does it promote, an equal distribution of wealth. Second: small amounts of wealth given to the poor have a greater impact on the lives of the poor than wealth saved or invested by the rich. These are facts backed up by economics.

    However, you have to consider that if, 100 years ago, the 'wealthy' gave all their money to the poor, the poor would have simply spent it on improving their own lives. They would spend it on living expenses. They'd buy a Model T. They'd get rudimentary washing machines. They'd get the bare necessities of life...

    ... and their lives would stagnate.

    No growth, because no money is being invested in the market. No technological advancement, because money would not be spent on R+D and taking risks but instead fulfilling the lives of the poor.

    The poor are not thinking about how to tackle climate change. The poor are not trying to build electric cars and develop alternative fuel sources. The poor are not trying to solve the problems caused by urban sprawl.

    The poor are thinking about how the fuck their rent will get paid and how to keep their kids fed.

    The poor lead lives more comfortable than ever before, thanks in very large part to the wealthy.

    Some people might argue that the rich CAUSED the problems we face today. My response to that is... go live in the woods then. Go find a parcel of land in Buttfuckistan and start farming. See how you like that life. See how long you survive. There were sacrifices that had to be made in order to facilitate the lives we live today, and the wealthy are using their resources to fund the smartest people who are trying to solve the problems we have (including, yes, poverty). Believe it or not, even oil companies are investing in alternative fuel sources.

    Morality has nothing to do with business. There are moral people and immoral people who are rich... just as there are moral and immoral people who are poor.
     
  12. MJ DeMarco
    Online

    MJ DeMarco Raving Lunatic Staff Member LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    21,871
    Likes Received:
    45,490
    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Rep Bank:
    $206,858
    Admin Post
    Chapter 22, Unscripted, last paragraph.
     
    G-Man, Vigilante and MidwestLandlord like this.
  13. MidwestLandlord
    Online

    MidwestLandlord Platinum Contributor FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    728
    Likes Received:
    3,523
    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $19,059
    Does your new book cover EVERYTHING? :)
     
    Vigilante likes this.
  14. arfadugus
    Online

    arfadugus Bronze Contributor Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    283
    Likes Received:
    223
    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $861
    That's what I meant.
     
  15. Mattie
    Offline

    Mattie Platinum Contributor Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    2,283
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Joined:
    May 28, 2014
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Limburg Netherlands
    Rep Bank:
    $18,896
    I would say as Entrepreneurs, we will probably hear more and more of this as time goes by. And really it's survival of the fittest. I suppose the last few weeks I've gone through another growth spurt. Which never amazes me. I believe in the process there is always attitude adjustments, dying more to the old self, and being reborn into the new self. While people don't like change, I think we're all basically forced to change whether we like it or not. The way I perceived things two months ago is quite different than today. What I perceived and believed in 2005 was quite different.

    I think the point being that with maturity comes responsibility. And I suppose it's kind of like playing a chess game. As a woman I could say I was a Rook until I became a Queen in 2017. Fortunately, even a Queen still matures, grows, learns, adjusts, and has to keep their ego in check. This is one of the things, is you say stupid things, believe stupid things, because you don't know everything at the time. And the more you dig deeper below the surface, you understand the sheep is what you once were.

    Perhaps when you're the sheep you don't understand the dynamics of everything. Maybe the world isn't the way you have been conditioned to believe. Maybe everything just doesn't work the same way in society anymore. Maybe the rules change and that means you have to change.

    Expansion is spreading your horizon. This is just my experience of the last few weeks, but seriously labels, niches, categories are limiting, stereo type, and project a small space. I'm over the he's rich, she's poor, she's middle class. Generation X, Baby Boomers, Millennials. Who cares.

    Harold Finch:[to The Machine in a flashback to 2003] You asked me to teach you chess and I've done that. It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But, I don't enjoy playing. Do you know why not?
    [Receives a 'No' reply on his cellphone]

    Harold Finch:Because it was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little and everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings and pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. I don't envy you the decisions you're going to have to make. And one day I'll be gone. And you'll have no one to talk to. But, if you remember nothing else, then please remember this. Chess is just a game. Real people aren't pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them than to others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is... that anyone who looks on the world as if it was a game a chess deserves to lose.

    I probably share this quote for the simple reason I'm Generation X. I'm squished between Baby Boomers and Millennials. And I can see from both angles, see their point of view. I've learned from the villains and hero's in my life. Some of them I have love and hate relationship with. I've had my battles with both the Baby Boomers and Millennials. In the end you just have to love them. I guess this is the maturity of being the Queen today and graduating in 2017, that without all the players whether they're the opponent or on your team you can't win unless you embrace the diversity. Pain is part of the process. Who hasn't had the experience. Every time you read something like this, it's just another person learning what they need to learn. They're not in the same place as you. I think at this point in my personal journey it makes no sense to be little other human beings because they haven't learned what I've learned. And if I remember right, this has been a long journey, process, and growth.

    I can say I've probably had an attitude problem at times like most of the Entrepreneurs in here. Doesn't matter what Generation, Social Class, masculine, or feminine. It doesn't matter where you came from. I don't think I add value to society by devaluing any human being in the Fastlane, and I apologize if I have in the past. I suppose events and experience always open up your mind further, and yes pain happen.

    What I do know is there is no way to not be polarized or feel pain in life. I understand that's why I'm probably be a good Generation X leader, because I understand from the Baby Boomers they made me who I am today through pain. I probably wouldn't have the drive, motivation, ambition in life I do now, if they didn't put me through the pain. At the same time the Millennials are good chess players and master minds, and challenged me to be competitive, creative, innovative, and basically a Mental Toughness Geek because I have to keep up with them. They've also caused me pain. And Millennials just do it in a different way. The one's I've had to deal with personally are reckless and destructive, and I don't enjoy it. Now I understand they're my audience, my way to wealth. So, having an attitude towards them, doesn't work because I have to work with them.

    This is the thing Baby Boomers prepared me all my life to deal with Millennials. I hated the side walk, I hated walking in my relatives shadow who were Entrepreneurs. Baby Boomers are tough, but in the end, you see why they do what they do.

    Paying attention to Sidewalk reminds you of where you used to be. Looking forward is your vision. Right now you're creating your future. I've been in the ranks of the lower class, middle class, and upper class. I think that's the point of Generation X. I'm not here to continue the psychological war between the masses, but bring balance, equality, respect, dignity. It's not about domination and submission, and it's not about ruling over other people. If anything I've learned in here it's about respect. And I had to go through my attitude and ego issues just like everyone else.


    The key lesson: Until you do your homework, learn and apply the lessons, you're going to go around in circles a million times until the pain costs you enough to do something different. That seems to never end no matter what point you're at in the game of life. I understand I personally can be stubborn. Being stubborn, doing it my way, on my terms, never gets you anywhere. I think that was the biggest lesson I learned at the beginning of 2017. There's nothing special about me. There's nothing special about you. While the ego likes to get out of control and dominate, I believe this really ends up being self-sabotage in the end. The war is inside yourself, not with the Side walk, Slow lane, or Fast Lane. The enemy is yourself.

    It's fair game, survival of the fittest, and I don't know what outcome that will bring. I just understand the who cares what someone else is doing. If you want to survive you just have to do what you have to do to survive. It doesn't matter how well or how much someone else is making, what they think, what they believe, and you're just getting yourself choked up in fear by paying attention to articles like this, wasting time, wasting energy, and thinking about the wrong things.

    I don't know any individual who hasn't ever screamed, "I'm a victim, It's not fair." Life isn't fair period. The sooner everyone gets over that fact, the better off they'll be.

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttRuzAaAURA


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYB4eENH7oY


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMuCexXtY9g

     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2017
  16. juan917
    Offline

    juan917 Bronze Contributor Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    424
    Likes Received:
    486
    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2015
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $1,932
    well i think its dumb and it drives me nuts that this is starting to become an idea perpetuated on the internet. Crabs in a bucket mentality. I saw this on another forum originally and told him to gtfo
     
    Kak likes this.
  17. G-Man
    Online

    G-Man Platinum Contributor FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    1,011
    Likes Received:
    4,151
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Rep Bank:
    $7,817
    Vig triggered me and so I had to be in my safe space for a while, but I got around around to reading this this morning - it's sad. For the iphone wielding kid in your example, the ignorance is staggering but at least conceivable. I worked with people that had PhDs from top tier universities, that still believed basically the same thing.... :(

    What's interesting though, is that since that chapter is couched in the context of consumerism v producerism, I realized that while I'm not a lazy parasite or in debt trying to keep up with the joneses, the consumerist script is still pretty deeply embedded in my worldview, since I naturally tend to think about getting money instead of producing things.

    Don't worry, I still blame @Vigilante for my bad morning :clench:
     
    Vigilante and jon.a like this.
  18. Vigilante
    Offline

    Vigilante Legendary Contributor Staff Member LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    8,521
    Likes Received:
    41,138
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Gulf Coast
    Rep Bank:
    $112,400
    Sorry. Not sorry. Don't care. LOL. Sending you a couple of fake rep dollars as the consolation.

     
    G-Man and MidwestLandlord like this.
  19. FinalRoundFit
    Offline

    FinalRoundFit New Contributor

    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    8
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Otay, San Diego
    Rep Bank:
    $53
    if it is immoral to be rich, then i am stupid teach me about morality and give me all of your money.
     
  20. MJ DeMarco
    Online

    MJ DeMarco Raving Lunatic Staff Member LEGENDARY CONTRIBUTOR FASTLANE INSIDER Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass Summit Attendee

    Messages:
    21,871
    Likes Received:
    45,490
    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Rep Bank:
    $206,858
    Admin Post
    It makes a statement about crap like this article.

    At which point the author would say, "Woah, wait a sec, I only make $80,000 a year. An immoral salary starts at $80,001 and above.
     
    G-Man, Contrarian, Kak and 6 others like this.
  21. Valor
    Offline

    Valor Silver Contributor FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    608
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2014
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Rep Bank:
    $3,874
    The OP (of the excerpt) was just some random dude on the internet.

    It's easy to ignore and just say "didn't read" and move on with your day.

    The actual problem is that there are real people out in the word, real leaders and influencers, who have this same philosophy.


    Perfect examples below...both within the past week...

    Professors who teach the next generation spreading this same garbage, and politicians who want to mold society in this view. THAT you can't ignore so easily, because eventually it will affect you.

    'Practice What You Preach': Tucker Battles Prof Who Wants Higher Taxes For Rich

    French candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon wants a 100% tax on the rich
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2017
  22. FinalRoundFit
    Offline

    FinalRoundFit New Contributor

    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    8
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Otay, San Diego
    Rep Bank:
    $53
    haha that is a funny response.
    op and I have very different qualifications for "rich", and i would be willing to take the $1 should their productivity ever go up....

    Morality is situation-ally based.
    I dont hook up with my hot assistant bc my GF has been great to me, however i walk in and she is with someone else suddenly the same act is not quite as immoral.

    Putting a number on that morality is like taking out a loan without considering interest or inflation.
     
  23. FinalRoundFit
    Offline

    FinalRoundFit New Contributor

    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    8
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2017
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Otay, San Diego
    Rep Bank:
    $53
    The government needs libertarians in some positions of power to keep budgets in check. Everyone has their place, that place is just not as high on the shelf as they believe.
     
  24. amp0193
    Offline

    amp0193 Gold Contributor FASTLANE INSIDER Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    889
    Likes Received:
    2,478
    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Location:
    DFW, Texas
    Rep Bank:
    $18,506
    That article was dangerous. It almost made me question things.

    But you guys in the thread got me back on track.

    Yes, the things some rich people choose to spend their money on are silly and useless, and that money could save thousands of lives in another part of the world.

    However, if they didn't have the right to buy whatever the hell they wanted, there wouldn't have been any motivation to become that rich in the first place, and all of the benefits to the common man of "trickle down economics" would never have taken place.
     
    G-Man, edward ace and MidwestLandlord like this.
  25. mrarcher
    Online

    mrarcher Bronze Contributor Read The Millionaire Fastlane Speedway Pass

    Messages:
    197
    Likes Received:
    451
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2016
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Scotland
    Rep Bank:
    $2,594
    Buying the $300,000 Ferrari pays for the engineers, designers, mechanics, the single mom receptionist that has to feed her kids, the guys digging in the quarries for steel etc. Even the silly and useless purchases benefits people low down in the income scale.
     

Share This Page