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It's the perfect setup for the government tyrants, because they have the "front" of a business to do the dirty work of censoring and restricting speech.

Just like what they have in China.
Wechat have national security personnels stationed there running codes so that sensitive contents will be blocked out.

Google and Facebook didn’t want to comply and left the Chinese market.

It is not about a front. But black and white rules and regulation and what to comply and how to comply.

There is also greater wariness coming from Europe against American tech companies having too much power influencing their domestic politics. Every country soon will set up their own regulatory bodies on digital platforms.
 

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That's true -- unless they have a corner on the market where they can kill any new start-ups. And that's the real issue here. It has to do with coordinate, absolute power in the internet market. Your example of throwing someone out of your house makes sense -- if you don't own the whole kingdom. Google has what? 90% of the market?

Or worse, they pretend to be innovative but they really just focus on M&A.

They buy out every startup and contributor and add it to their umbrella of companies.

I'm surprised this is where we are at with Big Tech.
 

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I'm really confused why people are so upset about them being taken off of app stores.

It's possible to download an app outside of the app store and install it, even on iPhone. It's not even hard. On Android, you download the apk file and push install. On Apple, the developer provides you with a development build that you download, install and need to manually approve on the device.

Binance did this for years because Apple didn't allow them to have their app on the app store since they weren't a business approved to operate in the US.

I wanted to use it, so I got it from their website, downloaded it, and used it for years.

Also, Parler is a web app. You can use it with feature parity on any device at any time from any browser.

It feels like that point is being massively overblown, to me.

And Amazon is still a private business, and there are several hosting alternatives like Digital Ocean that offer just about the same features (load balancing, bastion hosts, etc.) who will gladly take Parler's money.

It feels like we are overreacting to something that the free market will sort out (assuming we let it operate as a somewhat quasi-free market....but who the hell knows on that point anymore)

EDIT: It looks like Apple started restricting how you can install apps that are not on the app store, and it's much more restrictive now, so they do have a stranglehold on that (though you can make a web app with full feature parity pretty easily, and people who believe strongly enough in Parler's mission would sell their iPhones to get an Android if it was that big of a deal to them)
You're right, but, for the masses they don't understand that. The path to least resistance is downloading an APP that just works.
 

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No, I don't follow BLM either. They are scary people who want to take what they want by force. They are self-designated Anarchists.

My question for the social media platform is why they don't apply their standard equally across their platforms? The biased application of their rules bothers me. Rules aren't really rules -- if they are only applied to one side or one group.
My guess is that it's the same as with politicians. It's bad for their business.

Politicians do what they have to do. This is why many people are not cut out for it, and generally that's probably a good thing for character. Still it is a necessary business. One of the most racist politicians in 20th century America, Alabama governor George Wallace, originally ran and lost his first major election run by not taking a stand on segregation -- because white supremacy wasn't his thing. He never made the same mistake again. A most cynical kind of racism was the result: what was politically prudent.

As for BLM, if you court the crazies, you court disaster. As Voltaire put it, "Any one who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices" (or atrocities). I wish there were more sane voices from the left when people went into hysterics over the Kavanaugh hearings and tried to paint the guy as the Golden State Killer. The left also needs to learn more from the Spanish Civil War and leave history to the historians and focus policy and politics more on the here, now, and future.

So extremist groups from the left fly under the radar on social media because it would be an unpopular choice to dispose of them. And their bases are nothing but cows ready to be milked.
 

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I don't have any opinion about US politics, mostly because I'm not a US citizen, also I do not believe in politic in general. So Parler wasn't for me, tho what happened with amazon is quiet frightening. I would "understand" if it was the FBI or any judge, because the law gives them the possibility of that, but a private company with so much power is dangerous for the entire world. maybe it's time to dismantle those gafa
 

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There is also greater wariness coming from Europe against American tech companies having too much power influencing their domestic politics. Every country soon will set up their own regulatory bodies on digital platforms.

This is correct. Whatever is going on in America eventually reaches Europe. It was nice when US exports were music and movies. Identity politics though, isn't so nice. We've had our fair share of it, thank you very much. We gonna have to beat our own path if we wish to avoid what the US is going through.

While we are entangled into vaccines and Brexit atm, we'll eventually cut the cable America has set up at the end of WWII and sail free. This will be done through the building of a defense force first, then with our own GAFAM.

We agreed to play by US rules as long as it fits our agenda. But the Twitter move on Trump was the moment when we (finally) realized our respective cultures had drifted apart too much, and that we no longer were as alike as we thought.
 

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This is correct. Whatever is going on in America eventually reaches Europe. It was nice when US exports were music and movies. Identity politics though, isn't so nice. We've had our fair share of it, thank you very much. We gonna have to beat our own path if we wish to avoid what the US is going through.

While we are entangled into vaccines and Brexit atm, we'll eventually cut the cable America has set up at the end of WWII and sail free. This will be done through the building of a defense force first, then with our own GAFAM.

We agreed to play by US rules as long as it fits our agenda. But the Twitter move on Trump was the moment when we (finally) realized our respective cultures had drifted apart too much, and that we no longer were as alike as we thought.
A recording came out from a Twitter management conversation today. They plan to expand their "Trump trick" to more governmental leaders and people around the world. They are just getting started with removing people from their platform. I guess that they don't want to stay in business...
 

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This is correct. Whatever is going on in America eventually reaches Europe. It was nice when US exports were music and movies. Identity politics though, isn't so nice. We've had our fair share of it, thank you very much. We gonna have to beat our own path if we wish to avoid what the US is going through.

While we are entangled into vaccines and Brexit atm, we'll eventually cut the cable America has set up at the end of WWII and sail free. This will be done through the building of a defense force first, then with our own GAFAM.

We agreed to play by US rules as long as it fits our agenda. But the Twitter move on Trump was the moment when we (finally) realized our respective cultures had drifted apart too much, and that we no longer were as alike as we thought.
I think the concern is that they could play a significant role in influencing elections and policies directions, by having control of all the mediums for public discussion.

Just for example you have protesters organizing protest over American mnc buying over local telco companies in a small European countries and the next day the facebook group is shutdown for some “platform violation”.
 

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Looks like I'm one of the few people who leans more towards the left here. That's interesting.

What are the critics that you have on the left/left-wing policies?
 

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Looks like I'm one of the few people who leans more towards the left here. That's interesting.

What are the critics that you have on the left/left-wing policies?
Thanks for asking. My biggest problem is that we as citizens need to debate and discuss the issues and problems. That isn't happening. I feel dismissed and minimalized for asking my questions -- and most of them start with how, who, what, or why.

How are you going to do that?
Why are you doing that?
How are you going to pay for that?
Why is that the best way to do....?
How can we do that better? faster? cheaper?
What can we add or subtract from this situation to make it better?
Is this a self-correcting problem or do we need to act?
Who is really behind this? and who is really benefiting?
What is there an underlying reason for doing ....?
And, on and on...
 

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Thanks for asking. My biggest problem is that we as citizens need to debate and discuss the issues and problems. That isn't happening. I feel dismissed and minimalized for asking my questions -- and most of them start with how, who, what, or why.
When does it happen for example? For what issues?

I'm not a US citizen btw. However, I generally resonate more with the left. I know the general trends in the US, but not all details about a specific politician or specific policies.
 

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Looks like I'm one of the few people who leans more towards the left here. That's interesting.

What are the critics that you have on the left/left-wing policies?
Mostly economics and your right to property.

As business owners, we do a lot of shit that we hate just to maintain and grow the business. For instance, managing 220 employees at a time, and over 2,000 employees over the life of the business (not to mention thousands of customers and projects).

When Biden proposes a tax plan that would take 40% of the value of your multigenerational business on sale, that’s when you go hard right.

Democrats are constantly taking from us. We pay taxes on our taxes then we are taxed on that too.

Mostly we get by by the skin of our teeth, in spite of terrible government policies, but the left wants to act like we owe them something for doing us a favor.

The last 50 years have mostly been us trying to grow and succeed in spite of government policies that hurt us.

Someday this business will be sold, but if it’s under Biden’s tax plan, they will take almost half of it.

My grandfather is 80 years old and started this mid 8 figure company over 50 years ago with 3 guys and a van. The left wants to tell him “you didn’t build that.” Bullshit.
 
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I expect one of three things to happen with Conservative Censorship by Big Tech, listed in likelihood:
  1. It ends because States sue them for violating the State's rights of residents (several states are looking in to this)
  2. It continues but Conservative websites become aggregators of digitally signed Usenet postings (roughly what Jack Dorsey recently said was the only solution)
  3. It ends because Section 230 ends causing them to be liable for defamatory content they allow
I prefer #2 because it would be unfiltered, decentralized, potentially anonymous, and digitally signed. Content creators would be independent voices that would be "carried" by popular aggregators, but users could still "override" their favorite aggregator and add an "unpopular voice".

There are a lot of unpopular websites on the web that are very profitable. They figured out how to survive long ago, and people will end up studying how they did it. I believe Parler is now hosted in Russia, for example. And there are some Asian payment processors that ignore all the "but they're a Nazi!" rhetoric.

Scott Adams recently pointed out that if Amazon has a competitor where the main difference is that the competitor wont kick you off for political reasons, then Amazon should lose business to them.

I expect all this censorship will be a huge boost to Progressive Web Apps over Native mobile apps, and should also help Bitcoin.
 
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Unphased by it being taken down. Maybe they should have had a bit more control in their process.

From what I understand about Parler, it was a platform that allowed conversations & posts free from moderation. Primarily catering to conservatives, it also housed a more alt-right group that turned it into a breeding ground/echo chamber. Cool, no problem there at all. Let them talk.

But if I'm AWS, Apple, Google, payment processor X, or whoever and don't agree with that sort of content being created, I'm getting rid of them. In the same way you can't host porn sites on AWS or use any mainstream payment processors, Parler was too high risk for them. They should have done their research.

You would expect a forum for pedophiles to discuss what they would do to children to get taken down, a social site that allowed terrorists to talk openly about their plans is not something to be associated with. Even if they're the micro-minority of users, if it's unmoderated then it's the whole site that's the problem. "A few bad apples" as they say.

As far as freedom of speech goes, if that was the case, this forum would be nothing but advertisements. When MJ bans a user for a landfill, drive-by, spam advert, is that infringing on their rights? Or is it because MJ does not want this forum to turn into a cesspool and it's MJ's business?
 
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Good. Parler is an absolute cesspool. All you see is crazy conspiracy theories, racism, hate, misinformation, threatening of violence, white supremacists, and anti-intellectualism. I've seen truly disgusting things on there.

Thankfully, FBI is monitoring EVERYONE on there.

When some people are too dumb to use properly social media platforms and share hate, stupid conspiracies theories, etc. it's better to kick them out.

That why we have prisons by the way because some people are unfit for society. That's the same thing for the usage of social media platforms. Their freedom needs to be restricted so that they don't hurt anybody.

These are the people the founding fathers fought against and warned about. Stay away from people like this in all facets of life.
 

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Looks like I'm one of the few people who leans more towards the left here. That's interesting.

What are the critics that you have on the left/left-wing policies?

I think politics is a banned topic on this forum.
 

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For example, it shouldn't be against the law for me to grope a chick in public, but it shouldn't be against the law for said chick to stab me through the neck as a response either.
Imagine you're the "chick". Now imagine the guy groping her is twice the size of her. Can you see the problem?

One of the essential justifications for having laws and police is that you no longer need to rely on physical strength to protect yourself or take revenge. Your idea would require the "chick" not only to be able to wield a knife, but to overpower her attacker.

Most everything should be legal and if it were, we wouldn't so much heinous stuff going on.
You might want to read some history books to see what went on before we had a working judicial and policing system. There was quite a lot of heinous stuff going on.


However, anyone who disagrees should be able to go after them any way they choose, even if that includes violence/doxxing/hacking/whatever.
We'd all end up in a constantly violent society, where only the physically strong (or people rich enough to buy the weapons) would have the "choice".

This is the world you want?
 

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Imagine you're the "chick". Now imagine the guy groping her is twice the size of her. Can you see the problem?
No I can't.

Have you ever thought about groping a chick who clearly had mace at the ready? Or for that matter, performing any other similar form of assault on anyone who clearly had a weapon? Same principle here.
One of the essential justifications for having laws and police is that you no longer need to rely on physical strength to protect yourself or take revenge.
Law enforcers clearly don't do this. At least not without acting like Judge Dredd about it and assaulting/murdering you for no reason.

Oh and this has nothing to do with races, ages, genders, whatever. It affects everyone.
Your idea would require the "chick" not only to be able to wield a knife, but to overpower her attacker.
Plenty of resources available to learn this. Literally millions of self-defense classes etc. Nearly every chick I have dated knows how to use a handgun. All of them openly carry mace. They know how to protect themselves. So no, this idea is not far-fetched at all.
You might want to read some history books to see what went on before we had a working judicial and policing system. There was quite a lot of heinous stuff going on.
Umm, I have a background in history. People in power have been destroying the property of and murdering those who they rule over without any penalty for literally tens of thousands of years, if not hundreds of thousands of years. The founding fathers of the US were deeply aware of this and did all they could to have just the right amount of governing systems but not too much.

Well guess what? For about 100 or so years, we've had too much.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, especially when a judicial and policing system is put in place.
We'd all end up in a constantly violent society, where only the physically strong (or people rich enough to buy the weapons) would have the "choice".

This is the world you want?
This is the world we are currently living in right now if you haven't noticed.

Yes, this would intensify for a little while (maybe even a long stretch) if most laws were removed but just like places that have legalized drug use report less drug use over time, the same would happen with other stuff being legal.

People don't break the law, they break themselves against it. Once you realize that someone can steal from you just like you stole from them, you won't want to steal anything anymore. This is a very lame example but you should get the idea.

I did say that doing this would make most uncomfortable. Hell, it would make me uncomfortable for a bit. But over time we would naturally develop an air of understanding among each other. There are quite a few YouTube videos that explore this, or at least there used to be.

Society needs to play the long game. More laws/regulations/censorship is a short term solution and it always has been. Yes, SOME laws/regulations/censorship did their part to improve society but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

So while one Parler has been taken down, eight more will appear in its place and eighty more stupid laws preventing those will pass because of it, resulting in negative experiences for anyone except the ones who made the laws/regulations, who don't use those platforms anyways.

The EXACT same thing happened with the War on Drugs in the 1980s. Punishments were intensified and what happened? MORE drugs were made that had even worse effects and drug use (especially for these new drugs) went up.

Communication (which is what social media is) works the exact same way.

Just like tradcons declared a very unsuccessful war on drugs 30-40 years ago, progressives are declaring an equally unsuccessful war on communication now (which tradcons also started in the mid 1980s with TV and radio, by the way).

I hope this explains my position a bit better. Although a world without restrictions would be nice for my kind, it probably wouldn't work for others and I understand that. These are just my opinions at the end of the day.

The last thing I want to do in this community is come off as a try-hard AnCap like Adam Kokesh. I like Kokesh but he's trying to be a modern-day Nelson Mandela and failing at it. Badly.

A lot of us value freedom over security/forceful restraint without any explanation and that's why this kind of thing bothers us so much.

I know it bothers me, just like the War on Drugs bothered me 30 years ago, just like the Patriot Act bothered me 20 years ago, and just like SOPA/PIPA (remember THOSE? Yikes!) did 10 years ago.
 
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No I can't.

Have you ever thought about groping a chick who clearly had mace at the ready? Or for that matter, performing any other similar form of assault on anyone who clearly had a weapon? Same principle here.

Law enforcers clearly don't do this. At least not without acting like Judge Dredd about it and assaulting/murdering you for no reason.

Oh and this has nothing to do with races, ages, genders, whatever. It affects everyone.

Plenty of resources available to learn this. Literally millions of self-defense classes etc. Nearly every chick I have dated knows how to use a handgun. All of them openly carry mace. They know how to protect themselves. So no, this idea is not far-fetched at all.

Umm, I have a background in history. People in power have been destroying the property of and murdering those who they rule over without any penalty for literally tens of thousands of years, if not hundreds of thousands of years. The founding fathers of the US were deeply aware of this and did all they could to have just the right amount of governing systems but not too much.

Well guess what? For about 100 or so years, we've had too much.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, especially when a judicial and policing system is put in place.

This is the world we are currently living in right now if you haven't noticed.

Yes, this would intensify for a little while (maybe even a long stretch) if most laws were removed but just like places that have legalized drug use report less drug use over time, the same would happen with other stuff being legal.

People don't break the law, they break themselves against it. Once you realize that someone can steal from you just like you stole from them, you won't want to steal anything anymore. This is a very lame example but you should get the idea.

I did say that doing this would make most uncomfortable. Hell, it would make me uncomfortable for a bit. But over time we would naturally develop an air of understanding among each other. There are quite a few YouTube videos that explore this, or at least there used to be.

Society needs to play the long game. More laws/regulations/censorship is a short term solution and it always has been. Yes, SOME laws/regulations/censorship did their part to improve society but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

So while one Parler has been taken down, eight more will appear in its place and eighty more stupid laws preventing those will pass because of it, resulting in negative experiences for anyone except the ones who made the laws/regulations, who don't use those platforms anyways.

The EXACT same thing happened with the War on Drugs in the 1980s. Punishments were intensified and what happened? MORE drugs were made that had even worse effects and drug use (especially for these new drugs) went up.

Communication (which is what social media is) works the exact same way.

Just like tradcons declared a very unsuccessful war on drugs 30-40 years ago, progressives are declaring an equally unsuccessful war on communication now (which tradcons also started in the mid 1980s with TV and radio, by the way).

I hope this explains my position a bit better. Although a world without restrictions would be nice for my kind, it probably wouldn't work for others and I understand that. These are just my opinions at the end of the day.

The last thing I want to do in this community is come off as a try-hard AnCap like Adam Kokesh. I like Kokesh but he's trying to be a modern-day Nelson Mandela and failing at it. Badly.

A lot of us value freedom over security/forceful restraint without any explanation and that's why this kind of thing bothers us so much.

I know it bothers me, just like the War on Drugs bothered me 30 years ago, just like the Patriot Act bothered me 20 years ago, and just like SOPA/PIPA (remember THOSE? Yikes!) did 10 years ago.
I totally understand where you are coming from. I tend to be a conservative Libertarian. I just want to work and be left alone. I agree. The War on Drugs was SO stupid and ineffective. The Patriot Act further eroded our constitutional rights as we saw with their electronic spying. And now they want to tell us what we can say and think on the net. This is going to create a knee-jerk reaction that will come back to haunt these people who think that they are so smart. Now that everyone has a camera, cloud storage space, and nothing ever goes away, plausible deniability doesn't work as well.
 

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The irony of people crying about "muh freedom of speech", "muh private property" but they cry even more when a company exercises its rights.

Sounds like a bunch of commies.

Companies have the right not to host people or other companies, especially if they violate their ToS. Imagine telling someone they can't kick someone else out of their house.
But the TOS should be applied universally. Not politically motivated. There are obvious double standards. The funny thing I see in this thread is people who keep using the " it's a private company and they have a right to choose who can use their service" argument.

You guys are purposely playing stupid.
 

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@Gapple I am not surprised that this site leans Libertarian/right, actually. I lean VERY left. In fact, I think I don't pay enough taxes. History shows that progressive societies do better. Rising tide floats all boats, etc. More money in the hands of the spenders means more money in the economy, upward spiral! Our economy is, after all, consumer-driven. The moochers always exist but aren't NEARLY as prevalent as the Randian folks would have you believe. Big L libertarianism simply has never worked in the real world, and, yes, it's been tried many times. Even Ayn herself took more than she paid into Social Security.

@Charnell is right, Parler didn't have any control because they were on AWS and, well, they violated the terms and/or became very inconvenient, depending on which way you look at it.

Meanwhile, the Pirate Bay is laughing at the Parler idiots for not being able to stay online. Pirate Bay co-founder criticises Parler for its lack of resilience

IMHO, Amazon enforced their TOS, simple as that. You don't like it? Don't use Amazon. @DiamondDog and others are spot-on. Go look at what's hosted on AWS and be sure to boycott all that stuff, too, while you're avoiding Amazon. Good luck.

Nobody is telling you what you can say or think on the internet, they're just not willing to take on that liability. There were Parler posts LITERALLY planning to kidnap and kill people. It's not a joke. These people already left Reddit when /r/TheDonald was banned for similar stuff after REPEATED warnings.

I mean, look, I hate Trump with a burning passion but I'd NEVER allow someone to call for his death on anything that I own because I don't believe in that. I don't even let people say that in my presence. Let the system work, let's not call for violence, let's call for justice as done by the Justice system.

The point I really wanted to make is that this is not censorship. It's a business trying to stay afloat, and they're doing what's best for them. That's business. Also, 1st Amendment only applies to Uncle Sam (*some limitations apply). Conservatism isn't a protected status. Very "snowflakey" for a group that likes to point a finger and call people snowflakes.

@j0elsuf, you imply Bezos is a progressive by saying there's a progressive war on communication and implying Amazon is said progressive when they banned Parler. Bezos is by no means a progressive! Also, I disagree on your comparison of the war on drugs to Parler - not apt at all. Smoking weed and watching cartoons isn't at all like planning to hang the VP of the US. Not even in the same universe.
 

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Nobody is telling you what you can say or think on the internet, they're just not willing to take on that liability.
What liability? They are covered as a platform under 230. They can't be sued for content. Seriously? So why did they do it now?

I see this more as a cautionary tale for both sides.
Parler built their whole world on top of other people's businesses. That gave those providers and platforms the power to kill their business. It's obvious that they didn't have a Plan B and C if those relationships soured or changed -- making them no longer profitable. This a classic mistake that we have seen over and over again.

Big Tech has shown its true colors and they lost a lot of luster. The collection of different companies apparently moved in tandem when they flexed their joint power against Trump. Now there are tremors from other world leaders. These companies have brought themselves a bunch of unintended consequences and attention -- probably starting with new regulations. It also will mean additional competition. They may be sorry that they dabbled in the publisher's role. They didn't stay in their lane as a platform.
 

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Google owns YouTube, and they’re taking down videos and content for no apparent reason. It seems if it has Trump in it at all (even unbiased), they’re removing it. We are seriously living in a George Orwell or Aldous Huxley novel.

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They don’t want the “other side” to have the chance to speak or garner support in any way. And they’re not trying to hide that!
 

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So a conversation about leveling the playing field of the internet, I thought this article about what the brave browser is doing is really interesting. They're trying to decentralize content. In other words, do away with servers hosting in data centers and spread the content out over nodes. Like bit torrents.

Out with http, in with ipfs. Brave is the first browser to support it.


This is potentially a big deal. A complete restructuring of the organization of the internet.

More on this:

More info on ipfs: Why The Internet Needs IPFS Before It’s Too Late – TechCrunch

What liability? They are covered as a platform under 230. They can't be sued for content. Seriously? So why did they do it now?
Section 230 protections are not limitless, requiring providers to still remove material illegal on a federal level.

I'm no lawyer, but I do know that these rioters are being charged with federal crimes and they used Parler to coordinate their alleged crimes.

I'm interested to see if Parler itself will be held liable legally or if Sec 230 applies to them. In my limited understanding I do not believe it does, which may be why they moved some operation offshore. Of course if it does happen, the right will scream further censorship.

Regardless, hopefully that addresses the question of liability.
 

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I'm curious if the current outrage is simply because people agree with what's being said (or not said anymore lol) on these platforms or what. There wasn't a thread on here when Visa & Mastercard blocked usage of their cards on Pornhub last month. But then again, that's the adult industry and that goes against "values."
 
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