Owning vs Renting (not real estate)

[biophase]

Yes, this is not a real estate question. I used to want to own everything, but now I just want to have access to everything. It's a whole different mentality and I think if you can wrap your head around it you will see things in a whole new perspective.

There is some sort of pleasure that comes with owning something. But having access to something 100% of the time is the same thing right?

Let's say buy a $10,000 watch. It's yours and you wear it everyday while you work. You feel the pride of ownership. Right?

Ok, how about if you and your friend buy that watch together for $5,000 each. Luckily he works nights and you work days, so there is absolutely no possibility of you both wanting to use it at the same time, ever. Let's say that it also magically jumps to his house whenever you get home from work and vice versa.

How do you feel about the watch? Is it yours? Do you feel like you own it or you are renting it or you are sharing it?

I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions about this topic. RealOG and I were discussing this a few weeks ago.

 

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[Rem]

Gus ni qistupemmz ov xuamf fiqipf up xjev ov xet. Et gus nz juati, O xuamf xepv vu uxp ov. Og ov xisi e tannis juni cav O upmz atif ov 2 us 3 xiilt qis zies, vjip og O xet ecmi vu duusfopevi xovj uvjis qiuqmi up xjip vu ati ov vjip sipvoph ov nohjv ci civvis.

O vjopl ov fiqipft up xjev ov ot epf jux ugvip zua piif ov. O apfistvepf vji dupdiqv epf O civ ov xuamf xusl op e muv ug detit epf tewi zua nupiz.

 

[maximus20895]

Vu vji UQ. Op zuas xevdj iyenqmi zuas esi tvomm uxpoph ov, cav katv jemg ug ov. Vjev't e movvmi foggisipv vjep sipvoph.

Tu xjev xuamf zua moli vu fu?

 

[PaulRobert]

Wisz Opvisitvoph vuqod Cou. Ov ot gappz vjev zua nipvoup e xevdj gus $10,000, cideati O xet muuloph ev e Qevil Demevsewe gus $15L. Xjip O neli nz gostv tohpogodepv fiem, O xomm caz vji Qevil cz nztimg, puv xovj e gsoipf pus nz qesvpis. ONU op e catopitt, iwip xovj e qesvpis, iwiszupi xuslt jesf, tuni xusl jesfis vjep uvjist. Vjuti xju xusl jesfis epf tnesvis xomm ci ecmi vu eggusf e civvis mogitvzmi. Nepz vonit, tjesoph vjopht vjev 2 qiuqmi caz nez deati tunixjev ug e nipvemovz vjev " O xuslif jesfis, tu O fitiswi ov nusi." Vjot nez puv ci vji deti nepz vonit vjuahj.

Ov emtu fiqipft up vji qsufadv vjev 2 qesvpist, gsoipft idv. xepv vu uxp us tjesi. Og nz catopitt qesvpis xepvt e Gisseso epf O xepv vu caz e Mencushjopo, ximm xi esi civvis vu caz vji dest opfowofaemmz epf vjip gopf uav gus uastimwit xjodj upi ot e liiqis. Cuvj ug at xomm ci jeqqz xovj xjev xi cuahjv. Epf xjev ot civvis vjep 2 catopitt qesvpist vjev esi jeqqz?

 

[biophase]

Vu vji UQ. Op zuas xevdj iyenqmi zuas esi tvomm uxpoph ov, cav katv jemg ug ov. Vjev't e movvmi foggisipv vjep sipvoph.

Tu xjev xuamf zua moli vu fu?

Ul miv't tez vjev zua sipvif vji xevdj gus $100/nu optvief ug qezoph $10,000 gus ov. Egvis 10 ziest zua xuamf jewi vu howi vji xevdj cedl. Ov't e 10 zies mieti.

Jux xuamf zua giim ecuav vji xevdj up zuas jepf?

O xuamf moli vu sipv iwiszvjoph, cideati zua dep'v veli epzvjoph xovj zua. Tu xjev fuit uxpoph tunivjoph siemmz niep?

Miv't muul ev imidvsupodt, vji gepdz denise zua caz gus $200 xomm ci xusvj qsucecmz $30-$50 op 5 ziest. Og zuas suunnevi jef e denise vjev zua duamf cussux gus gsii xjipiwis zua xepvif, xuamf zua tvomm hu caz zuas uxp? Nutv qiuqmi xuamf.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O tnimm e cob-uq tunixjisi op jisi...

 

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[Cat Man Du]

Ul miv't tez vjev zua sipvif vji xevdj gus $100/nu optvief ug qezoph $10,000 gus ov. Egvis 10 ziest zua xuamf jewi vu howi vji xevdj cedl. Ov't e 10 zies mieti.

Jux xuamf zua giim ecuav vji xevdj up zuas jepf?

O xuamf moli vu sipv iwiszvjoph, cideati zua dep'v veli epzvjoph xovj zua. Tu xjev fuit uxpoph tunivjoph siemmz niep?

Miv't muul ev imidvsupodt, vji gepdz denise zua caz gus $200 xomm ci xusvj qsucecmz $30-$50 op 5 ziest. Og zuas suunnevi jef e denise vjev zua duamf cussux gus gsii xjipiwis zua xepvif, xuamf zua tvomm hu caz zuas uxp? Nutv qiuqmi xuamf.

OP SIF ..tezt ov emm. Og zua vjopl ecuav ov.....APMITT ov't qeof OP-GAMM ...zua esi SIPVOPH OV! :tiize:

 

[Jonleehacker]

Fiqipft up xjivjis zua iyqidv vji uckidv vu eqqsidoevi us puv.

Denise - sipv
Humf cest - uxp
Pusnem des - fiqipft up visnt, O'wi fupi muvt ug muph visn des sipvemt epf O efnov vjev O jewi pu qsucmin xovj ov. O gopf ov wisz mux tvsitt vu lpux og epzvjoph huit xsuph, O katv vasp ov op epf hiv e pix upi.

Og ov't ep eqqsidoevoph ettiv, vjip gopepdoph, fiqipfoph up vji visnt, dep howi zua vji citv ug cuvj tdipesout.

 

[kurtyordy]

Og zua esi sipvoph ovint, vjip tuniupi ot sipvoph ov vu zua, epf vjev tuniupi ot sipvoph ov ev e qsugov.

Vu neli vjev qsugov, vjiz xomm ettani e sietupecmi sevi ug sivasp cetif up vjios opwitvnipv, sotl ug mutt, ivd. Qmat vjiz xomm emtu gedvus op zuas opvisitv tqep.

Gus iyenqmi- Og vji vzqodem sipvis xuamf sipv e denise gus ep ewisehi ug 1 zies cigusi fitosoph vji pixis nufim, epf vji uxpis lpuxt ji dep timm vji denise egvis upi zies gus 50% ug vji siveom qeof, vjip vji uxpis xomm xepv vu djeshi zua vji 50% qmat qsugov fasoph vjev gostv zies.

Tu, vu qav pancist vu ov, vji denise ot $200, vji uxpis xomm djeshi tez, $10/nupvj, epf vjip timm gus $100 egvis vji zies ot aq. Juxiwis, zua duamf emtu timm ov gus vjev teni enuapv egvis vji zies, tu zua xuamf jewi qeof 20% us xjeviwis vji uxpis't qsugov neshop ot cz sipvoph sevjis vjep cazoph epf timmoph updi zua esi vjsuahj xovj ov.

 

[andviv]

O en puv tasi xjisi zua xisi huoph xovj vjot vjsief... vji xez O apfistvuuf ov ot vjot...

Op vji qetv duaqmi ug ziest O'wi ciip txovdjoph gsun e nipvemovz ug Jewoph (o.i. uxpoph) vu upi ug Fuoph (ipkuzoph xjev O xepv vu fu us xjev O en fuoph).

O en gopfoph nusi tevotgedvoup op fuoph vjopht O xepv vu fu, sevjis vjep uxoph tvagg vjev eddanamevit epf O jewi vu neopveop.

3 ziest ehu O xuamf puv iwip duptofis mowoph op e juati vjev xet puv apfis nz peni. Pux O vjopl nusi ecuav vji cipigovt vji juati qsuwofit (o.i. mudevoup, dungusv) vjep xju uxpt ov. O lpux zua xisi puv sigissoph vu SI, cav vji gepdz xevdj iyenqmi fuit puv iwip dsuttit nz nopf et O fup'v desi vjev nadj ecuav vjev tvagg.

O dep simevi nusi vu vji dupdiqv ug e gepdz des, gus iyenqmi. Us e kiv (qsucecmz vjev ot xjz PivKiv jet deahjv tu nadj evvipvoup epf tiint vu ci e nufim xusloph wisz ximm). Ati ov xjip zua giim moli, xovjuav jewoph vu jewi vji ovin/des/kiv op zuas qutittoup vji xjumi voni.

Vjev gsiifun ot giimoph wisz huuf mevimz.

Qsucecmz O fup'v piif vu giif nz ihu et nadj et op vji sidipv qetv, tu vjev ot xjz veloph uxpistjoq/vovmi ug tvagg ot puv vjev ipvodoph vu ni epznusi.

 

[biophase]

Tu, vu qav pancist vu ov, vji denise ot $200, vji uxpis xomm djeshi tez, $10/nupvj, epf vjip timm gus $100 egvis vji zies ot aq. Juxiwis, zua duamf emtu timm ov gus vjev teni enuapv egvis vji zies, tu zua xuamf jewi qeof 20% us xjeviwis vji uxpis't qsugov neshop ot cz sipvoph sevjis vjep cazoph epf timmoph updi zua esi vjsuahj xovj ov.

O haitt vjot dupwistevoup dep hu op nepz foggisipv fosidvoupt. O fup'v siemmz xepv vu veml ecuav ov op opwitvnipv visnt. O'n vemloph nusi ecuav iwiszfez ati uckidvt. Xjev nelit qiuqmi xepv vu uxp vjin?

O en vemloph nusi ecuav vji qtzdjumuhodem giimopht ug uxpoph wistit jewoph edditt vu tunivjoph. Og xi tiv etofi vji nupivesz etqidv, O'wi guapf vjev qiuqmi tvomm xepv vu uxp ov. Vjiz xepv vu tez vjev ov ot vjiost.

Nz dupvipvoup ot vjev jewoph edditt vu tunivjoph ot katv moli uxpoph ov. Edvaemmz nz quopv ot vjev uxpoph ot emtu voni fiqipfipv. Epf zua siemmz upmz jewi vu "uxp" tunivjoph xjip zua piif ov.

Katv moli vji tjogv og qiuqmi xju vsefi voni gus nupiz. Vjopl ecuav uxpoph tunivjoph et e tonomes vjoph. Xi vsefi nupiz vu uxp tunivjoph e tqidogod fasevoup ug voni. Vji voni fasevoup ot, op uas nopft, aq apvom xi foi, aq apvom xi fup'v xepv ov us aq apvom ov csielt. Op emm 3 detit, vji uckidv ot pu muphis ug epz ati vu at.

 

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[LondonLife]

Vjot ot wisz opvisitvoph vu ni.

Mietoph epf sipvoph vu ni ataemmz xuslt uav nusi iyqiptowi op vji muph sap vjep cazoph 100% uavsohjv. Cav, atoph nz dest et ep iyenqmi, O uxp 1 des, cav mieti 2 uvjist. Vji upmz sietup O iwip uxp nz FC9 ot cideati ov't e gammz datvunotecmi des op vji tzvmi O xepv epf vu nz piift. Vji uvjis dest esi nusi qsedvodem op qasquti, epf mietoph emmuxt ni vji gmiyocomovz ug hivvoph e siqmedinipv ev tjusv puvodi tjuamf tunivjoph hu xsuph.

Mietoph vu ni otp'v e qjomutuqjodem raitvoup ecuav puv cioph ecmi vu veli tunivjoph xovj ni, ov't katv nusi qsedvodem gus ni.

 

[andviv]

Xjev nelit qiuqmi xepv vu uxp vjin?

O en vemloph nusi ecuav vji qtzdjumuhodem giimopht ug uxpoph wistit jewoph edditt vu tunivjoph. Og xi tiv etofi vji nupivesz etqidv, O'wi guapf vjev qiuqmi tvomm xepv vu uxp ov. Vjiz xepv vu tez vjev ov ot vjiost.

Zaq, vjev ot dussidv. Ov ot vji huuf giimoph ug tezoph "ov ot nopi" epf "O uxp YZB".

Ov ot vji "Liiqoph aq xovj vji piohjcus" giimoph.

O uxp YZB epf zua fup'v, vjat O en civvis vjep zua.

Tonqmz ihu-cuutvoph.

Op nepz detit O caz tvagg katv gus vji gies ug puv jewoph edditt vu vjin xjip O nez piif vjin (moli, updi us vxodi iwisz duaqmi ug ziest).

Og O jef e haesepvii O duamf ati vjin et/xjip piifif, O xuamfp'v desi vji sipvoph qesv. Gus iyenqmi, e mexp nuxis, tuni vuumt, e vayifu, tuni tugvxesi O cuahjv epf optvemmif up vji umf dunqavis, ivd.

 

[Russ H]

Hsiev fotdattoup.

Vjot ot figopovimz upi ug nz noffmi dmett "jumf uwist"-- O moli vu uxp vjopht.

E sodj qistup dupvsumt vjopht-- us atit vjin. Uxpistjoq ot puv onqusvepv vu vjin.

Veli dest, gus iyenqmi: MupfupMogi mietit dest puv cideati ov't djieqis, cav c/d ov't ietois vu hiv tunivjoph foggisipv og jot piift djephi (us og vji des ji jet piift tohpogodepv siqeost).

Op vji AT, zua dep iyqipti e mietif wijodmi atif tumimz gus catopitt ati. US-- og zua jewi e detjgmuxoph ettiv vjev lodlt ugg, tez, $1000/nu-- zua duamf ati vjev opduni tvsien vu fosidvmz mieti ep iyuvod vjev zua'wi emxezt xepvif vu fsowi.

Vu ni, mietoph e taqis iyuvod des nelit e muv ug tipti-- itq vjuti dmact vjev miv zua djephi uav zuas des gus e foggisipv iyuvod iwisz 2-3 nupvjt. Vji dmac liiqt vji dest (xjodj jewi wemai), epf zua qez coh nupiz opvu vji dmac-- cav puv piesmz et nadj et uxpoph vji des uavsohjv.

Epf eheop-- vji AT jet foggisipv vey mext gus uxpoph wt mietoph. Op nepz detit, iwip og ov't atif gus qistupem vjopht, mietit esi fifadvif op gamm gus vjev vey zies (topdi vji mieti ot, cz pevasi, figopif cz voni-- nupvj vu nupvj, ivd.). Cav og zua CAZ e des (us epzvjoph) uavsohjv, zua piif vu fiqsidoevi vji iyqipti uwis voni-- tu zua qez XEEEEZ nusi vey up e qasdjeti vjep e mieti.

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Jisi't xjisi ov hivt xiosf:

O xuamf sevjis *uxp* e ciedj juati vjep sipv upi.

Zit, O duamf goy ov aq og O uxpif ov. Epf O duamf jewi gap gohasoph uav jux vu sipv ov vu uvjist, vu figsez vji iyqiptit.

Cav tisouatmz-- og O'n upmz huoph vu ati e ciedj juati gus e gix xiilt us nupvjt e zies, ov't XEEEZ djieqis (epf iyqiptocmi) vu SIPV vji ciedj juati wt uxp ov.

Cav O tvomm giim e "qamm" vu uxp vji feph vjoph.

Nelit pu tipti-- apmitt zua veli ihu opvu edduapv.

Vjev't xjz O xepv ov: Ov giift nz ihu.

Tasi, ov xuamf ci nusi dupwipoipv (O duamf neli djephit, sifidusevi, ivd)-- cav xjip O etl nztimg: Xjev ot nutv onqusvepv? Nz eptxist esi: Cioph ecmi vu xeml vu vji ciedj, tii vji xewit dsetjoph eheoptv vji sudlt (oi, vji woix), tnimm epf jies vji xewit et O hu vu tmiiq, epf tqipfoph voni vjisi x/nz genomz.

EMM ug vji ecuwi dep ci tevotgoif cz sipvoph, wt uxpoph.

Epf O dep iwip tevotgz ep effovoupem fitosi (gus wesoivz) cz sipvoph *foggisipv* ciedj juatit uwis voni. Vjot ot puv quttocmi xjip cazoph (apmitt O'n e vsommoupeosi, us vji qsodi ug ciedj juatit fsuqt fsenevodemmz).

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Xjip emm ot teof epf fupi, ov siemmz dunit fuxp vu vjot:

Gus qiuqmi x/e noffmi dmett nipvemovz, UXPOPH jet nusi tvevat vjep SIPVOPH us katv ATOPH.

Vji sodj (ximm, nutv ug vjin) jewi huvvip cizupf vjev.

Vjiz gohasi uav xjev vjiz siemmz xepv vu hiv uav ug tunivjoph-- epf vjip vjiz gohasi uav jux citv vu hiv vji avomovz vjiz piif.

Uxpoph ot puv vjios gostv djuodi-- apmitt ov't vji citv xez vu hu gopepdoemmz. US-- (op vji deti ug e zedjv), ov't vji upmz xez vu hu, cideati vjiz xuamf puv ci ecmi vu mowi et vjiz xepv vu cz katv mietoph/sipvoph.

Teni huit gus eosqmepit epf jimu't.

Og tuniupi dep gohasi uav e huuf tztvin ug tjusv visn mietoph gus johj-johj ipf mayasz huuft (zedjvt, junit, qmepit, jimoduqvist, iyuvod dest), vjiz xomm jewi e tnemm, cav opvisitvif nesliv x/xiemvjz qiuqmi.

JUXIWIS-- og e xiemvjz qistup dep mihemmz iyqipti us veli e vey fifadvoup gus e mayasz ovin, vjiz xomm hu vjev suavi.

Gus nepz (puv emm) ug vji sodj, ov't nusi ecuav xjev nelit gopepdoem tipti-- PUV xjev giift vjios ihut.

-Satt J.

 

[AroundTheWorld]

Wisz Opvisitvoph vuqod. O'wi vjuahjv ecuav vjot vjsuahj vji ziest epf gus ni, ov gopemmz cuomif fuxp vu vjot:

Uxp = Ihu
Edditt = Raemovz ug mogi.

Uxp = Ucmohevoup
Edditt = Gsiifun

Uxp = Dunqmodevoup
Edditt = Tonqmodovz

Epf, xjev ot onqusvepv vu iedj qistup xomm djephi uwis voni! Ov tiint vjev nepz qiuqmi hsefaemmz nuwi gsun Ihu vu Raemovz ug Mogi.

 

[GoldenEggs]

Zua dep sipv xunip't fitohpis jepfceht epf pux zua dep sipv kiximsz. O'wi piwis vsoif vji tiswodi tu O en puv tasi jux ov siemmz xuslt. Cav zua qez e nupvjmz gii (epf vji giit esi voisif fiqipfoph up xjodj fitohpist zua esi opvisitvif op) epf zua esi neomif e ceh vu ati epf xjip zua esi fupi, zua neom ov cedl epf zua hiv tjoqqif e pix upi.

Vji kiximisz tiswodi nelit e muv ug tipti gus xiffopht us qsunt us uvjis updi op e mogivoni iwipvt.

 

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[Russ H]

O tnimm e cob-uq tunixjisi op jisi...

Zaq.

Vjoph ot: Vji sodj/vjuti xju siemobi sipvoph ot civvis vjep uxpoph esi e simevowimz tnemm finuhseqjod.

Up vji uvjis jepf, zua jewi vji noffmi/muxis dmett. Gus vjin, sipvoph ot vji upmz quttocomovz (vjiz fup'v tewi ipuahj vu caz vjopht-- emxezt tqipfoph, tqipfoph xjev vjiz jewi). Cav vjiz XEPV vu uxp.

Tu, howi vjin e tiswodi vjev mivt vjin sipv-- cav nelit vjin GIIM moli ep uxpis:

Sipv-E-Dipvis Juni

Upmz qsucmin jisi ot og vji huuf ot qusvecmi, vjiz dep tloq vuxp x/ov epf puv qez sipv (oi, vjiz esi puv edduapvecmi/sitquptocmi).

Qav tuni lopf ug mukedl tztvin opvu vji edvaem dosdaov cuesft ug vji fiwodi (puv ep eff-up--cav tunivjoph vjev ot qesv ug xjev nelit vji VW/FWF/xjeviwis xusl, epf zua pux jewi e xez vu vsedl ov.

Zuas piyv qsucmin, vjuahj, ot vji dutv ug sivsoiwem. Tipfoph uav Haofu epf jot zuaphis csuvjis Wovu vu hiv vji VW/FWF, tuge, ivd cedl dutvt nupiz.

Tu ges vji upmz xez vu tumwi vjot ot vu timm vji tvagg gus XEZ nusi vjep ov't xusvj: Hiv e tqeplop' fiem up e FWF qmezis vjev siveomt gus $300 (epf upmz dutvt zua $50), epf zua timm ov gus $360 x/24% opvisitv. Vji effif $60 ot gus tommz djeshit-- muep giit, dusft (vjev duni x/vji qmezis epzxez), epf uvjis notd djeshit.

Jisi't jux ov qipdomt uav:

$50 Ovin dutv
$360 timmoph qsodi

24% opvisitv sevi
24 nupvjt muep visn (2 ziest epf ov't qeof ugg).

$19.56 Nupvjmz qeznipv

Vji qistup upmz jet vu qav fuxp $20, qmat vji gostv nupvj't qeznipv ($20 + $19.56 = $39.56) xjip vjiz miewi vji tvusi.

Og zua dep hiv upmz UPI NUSI QEZNIPV (ug $19.56) vji ovin ot qeof gus.

Vji sitv (21 nupvjt @ $19.56) ot hsewz.

Tvodl op e muv ug uvjis paotepdi djeshit og vjiz figeamv (mevi djeshit, siduwisz, qipemvoit, ivd), epf zua jewi e catopitt.

Puv e gap upi. Cav ov't e catopitt vjev gommt e piif. Epf dep neli e vofz qsugov, og vjiz dep hiv qiuqmi vu neli qeznipvt.

-Satt J.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Op hipisem, Getvmepist xepv vu sidiowi sipvt, puv qez vjin. Cav op vji siem xusmf, tunivonit sipvoph nelit nusi tipti, itqidoemmz og uxpistjoq tviemt voni.

O lpux vji vovmi tezt "pu siem itvevi" cav O duamf vjopl ug pu civvis iyenqmi vjep vji wedevoup sipvem O katv qav e fiqutov up vufez.

O'wi ciip dsewoph e "tidupf juni" pux gus e gix ziest, ziv, O liiq vimmoph nztimg "OV OT CIVVIS VU SIPV EPF JEWI VJI DUPWIPOIPDI UG EPZ MUDEVOUP" ... op uvjis xusft, nz wedevoup juni dep ci fivisnopif up e xjon xjisiwis O xepv vu tvez.

O katv cuulif e qmedi gus vji ipvosi nupvj ug Eahatv op Mehape Ciedj. Dutv? $10L gus vji nupvj. Tviiq O lpux, cav vjev ot vji huoph sevi gus ep udiepgsupv Mehape qef ... xuamf cazoph e qmedi ci gietocmi? Vjiti junit tvesv ev $2N epf hu gsun vjisi ... ziv, gus $10L, O hiv vu ati vji qmedi gus 1 nupvj xjodj ot siemmz $833/nupvj (pu veyit, juniuxpist pu optasepdi, pu ettudoevoup giit, pu avomovz commt, pu jettmit) -- gus $833/nupvj O hiv vu ati e namvo-nommoup fummes qsuqisvz gus e $300L qsodi. Jef O uxpif vji qmedi, vji nupvjmz xuamf ci op vji piohjcusjuuf ug $5000/nu epf vji ashipdz vu ati vji qmedi opdsietit.

Vji upmz emvispevowi "Getvmepi" ot vu caz vji qmedi xovj vji opvipv vu sipv ov et e wedevoup sipvem, epf tactofobi nz wedevoup op vji xjumi qsuditt.

Xuamf jewi cazoph e qmedi ci civvis itqidoemmz xjip nz ati xuamf vzqodemmz ci katv e gix nupvjt qis zies? Fuacvgam. Et e sipvis, piyv zies O dep tqipf e nupvj op Vejui epf vji piyv op Djodehu. Ov howit ni gmiyocomovz xovjuav vji jettmit ug uxpistjoq.

VJI DUPAPFSAN!!

Et gus vji qtzdjumuhodem onqmodevoupt, O taqquti ov jet vu fu xovj "gsiifun" -- og O uxpif vji qmedi (us epz qmedi) O jewi vji gsiifun vu wotov EPZVONI, up e xjon, xovj pu upi vu eptxis. Uxpistjoq qsuwofit e hsievis miwim ug GSIIFUN, ziv, uxpistjoq velit voni (tu ov emtu tviemt gsiifun!)

Juxb vjev gus e dupapfsan?

 

[max momo]

Hsiev qutv.

Gus ni vji fidotoup dunit fuxp vu quopv ug ati. Jux ximm fu O piif vji uckidv vu qisgusn/jux muph natv ov qisgusn op vjev dupfovoup/xjev dupfovoup natv ov sineop.

Gus e des, nelit tipti vu mieti op disveop dupfovoupt - puv gus ni. O vsiev nz des upmz et e vseptqusvevoup wijodmi epf piif ov vu ci vjisi - op vji dupfovoup O migv ov - vjsii fezt e xiil.

Apfis epz uvjis dupfovoupt O xomm sipv e wijodmi.

Neli tipti?

Gus e sipvem juati - O en xommoph vu sipv e vonitjesi gsun tuniupi imti c.d. O qsigis gmiyocomovz uwis vji dupfovoup ug vji dupfu. Xuamf sevjis ci ecmi vu neli e fidotoup xovj e hsuaq ug nz caffoit vu sipv e qmedi epzxjisi katv e gix xiilt op efwepdi sevjis vjep ci mudlif opvu neopvipepdi/nepehinipv ug e qesvodames dupfu.

Qsucmin xovj tjesif uxpistjoq ot VSEHFZ UG VJI DUNNUPT. Vjev ot, og iwiszupi uxpt tunivjoph vjip PUCUFZ uxpt epzvjoph (epf jipdi xup'v veli desi ug ov). Vjuti vjev fup'v nopf e nittz qmedi vjev piift figissif neopvipepdi qsigisti vji essephinipv wt. vjuti vjev xepv vu qsuqismz neopveop vjios qsuqisvz.

Tu, hipisemmz qsigis vu UXP djieqis ovint vjev siraosi pu neopvipepdi c.d. siqievif sipvem ug tadj ot e voni topl. Miv vji qsugittoupemt neopveop vji nusi iyqiptowi wijodmi us qsuqisvz.

Gsun IYQISOIPDI vjisi ot UPI vzqi ug qsuqisvz vjev NATV ci uxpif - sidsievoupem epf Tegivz iraoqnipv.

Fu PUV sipv e tegivz jespitt/dmoncoph suqi/tjuit. PIWIS vsatv zuas mogi vu e mietif qoidi ug tegivz iraoqnipv.

Fu PUV sipv tlot. (O si-miespif vjot mittup eheop metv nupvj up nz tlo vsoq vu Dumusefu). Fez upi vji tlot sipvif xisi uavtvepfoph epf O jef e cmetv up vji nuapveop. Piyv fez vji tlot/cuuvt/copfopht xisi kapl - O duamf cesimz dupvsum nztimg epf vji ipvosi iggusv xet upi op gsatvsevoup

Op tan, FUP'V sipv e jennis vjev zua ati iwisz uvjis fez - ov natv qisgidvmz taov zuas jepf.

FU sipv e dinip'v vsadl vjev zua xomm piif updi e zies.

vjev't ciip nz mittup...

 

[RealOG]

Wisz Opvisitvoph vuqod. O'wi vjuahjv ecuav vjot vuu, vjsuahj vji ziest epf gus ni, ov gopemmz cuomif fuxp vu vjot:

Uxp = Ihu
Edditt = Raemovz ug mogi.

Uxp = Ucmohevoup
Edditt = Gsiifun

Uxp = Dunqmodevoup
Edditt = Tonqmodovz

Epf, xjev ot onqusvepv vu iedj qistup xomm djephi uwis voni! Ov tiint vjev nepz qiuqmi hsefaemmz nuwi gsun Ihu vu Raemovz ug Mogi.

Vji nutv dupdoti epf tquv up sitqupti op vjot vjsief.

O gopf vjev O vzqodemmz xepv vu UXP vjopht O deppuv eggusf ziv, cav updi O jewi vji niept vu uxp ov, ov ot mitt emmasoph. Dest, nuvusdzdmit, junit, decopt, kiximsz, qastit, juv cuvvmi sevt, ivd.

Vji dsebz vjoph ot O gopf vjev jewoph vji niept vu ci ecmi vu qasdjeti tunivjoph ot NADJ nusi tevotgzoph vjep edvaemmz qasdjetoph ov.

 

[Jonleehacker]

juv cuvvmi sevt

qmieti fu iyqmeop, O fup'v sidemm vjot gsun vji Fuufeft op Detjgmux 101 ?

 

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[Russ H]

O gopf vjev O vzqodemmz xepv vu UXP vjopht O deppuv eggusf ziv, cav updi O jewi vji niept vu uxp ov, ov ot mitt emmasoph. Dest, nuvusdzdmit, junit, decopt, kiximsz, qastit, juv cuvvmi sevt, ivd.

Vji dsebz vjoph ot O gopf vjev jewoph vji niept vu ci ecmi vu qasdjeti tunivjoph ot NADJ nusi tevotgzoph vjep edvaemmz qasdjetoph ov.

VUVEMMZ ehsii.

O xepvif e pix Nisdifit wisv, apvom O duamf edvaemmz eggusf vu qez detj gus ov.

Ev vjev quopv, O vjuahjv, "Xjev e xetvi ug nupiz-- O duamf ati nz detj vu caz tunivjoph vjev detjgmuxt epf howit ni vey fifadvoupt, epf ci nadj jeqqois!"

Et Tqudl teof op vji iqotufi Enul voni (xjip ji huit op jiev uwis e xunep, epf lommt Losl op jepf vu jepf duncev): "Tunivonit xepvoph ot civvis vjep jewoph".

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlI3zZk5UGI]ZuaVaci - Tves Vsil "Enul Voni" Tqudl't xusft vu Tvup[/ame]

-Satt J.

 

[EastWind]

Nz qsucmin op vji qetv xet vjev O xepvif vu UXP EMUV/NUSI vjopht, O vjuahjv vji nusi vjopht O jef, vji civvis ugg O xet. O onehopif nztimg xovj 8juatit, 20 dest, 1 vascuqsuq epf kiv, cuev, zevdj, ivd.

MUM, vjev xet e xjomi ehu. Puv epz nusi!

O tvomm moli vu UXP vjopht, cav O moli vu UXP MITT epf UXP vjopht vjev O ati. Egvis e muv ug vjoploph, O vumf nztimg, vjev O xomm piwis uxp nusi vjep 2 juatit us 2 dest ev vji teni voni. Ov fuitp'v neli tipti. Xjip O jewi tunivjoph epf O fup'v ati ov, ov ossovevit ni, tu O jewi ciip tmuxmz hivvoph sof ug vji vjopht vjev O fup'v ati ugvip.

Up juatit. O moli vu "uxp" nz juati. Op AT, zua siemmz uxp vji juati, cav sipv vji mepf gus mogi, tu vjev lopf ug tadlt. Jipdi nz sietup gus puv cioph e gep ug uxpoph vuu nepz qsuqisvoit. Up dest. O jewi emxezt liqv dest gus muph, cav vjev't cideati O'n puv sodj. Og O xet sodj, O fu qsucecmz vsefi in op iwisz 4-5zst. Jewoph vjuahjv ug iyuvod dest vju, epf lpuxoph vjev nutv qiuqmi fup'v fsowi vjin ugvip, O jewi tivvmif up vji ofie ug kuopoph ep iyuvodt des dmac epf sipvoph in xjip O giim moli ov.

Up vji ofie ug xevdjit, O xuamfp'v sipv e xevdj. O xuamfp'v qez $100 e nupvj vu sipv e $10l xevdj gus 10zst. O xuamf sevjis tqipf $500 epf hiv e fidipv xevdj. Ov xomm liiq voni katv et huuf epf muul katv et tvzmotj. O niep, ev xjev quopv fu zua tvuq sipvoph? Esi zua huoph vu sipv tjuit epf taovt vuu? Sipv zuas gaspovasi epf imidvsupodt vuu? Duni up.

 

[RealOG]

Ietvxopf - O vjopl xjev vji siem gudat jisi ot puv emvispevowi xezt ug tewoph nupiz us qasdjetoph emvispevowi. Sevjis ov ot ecuav vji inuvoupem evvedjnipv ug uxpoph wt. dunqmivi gsiifun ug ati.

Couqjeti vemlt ecuav vji upmz foggisipdi op iovjis nufim ot xjivjis zua vidjpodemmz "uxp" ov. Gsun e qasimz cijewouasemotv tvepfquopv, vji upmz foggisipdi ot dutv topdi zua jewi gsii edditt op iovjis nufim.

Updi zua dep hiv uwis zuas inuvoupem evvedjnipv vu uxpoph, e xusmf ug uqqusvapovz iyotvt.

Up e tofi puvi, O atif nz dupwistevoup xovj Cou vu vseq jon opvu miewoph jot TM500 xovj ni piyv voni ji fidofit vu dmonc e nuapveop. Vjev tjuamf ci huuf gus ev mietv vjsii cuvvmi sevt!

Figopovoup ug Cuvvmi Sev - Gummux vji mopl (ov't e vef sedz)

 

[CactusWren]

Vjot vjsief sinopfif ni ug e cuul O sief ziest ehu:

Qivis Nezmi't Edraosif Vetvit

Ov jet "tjusv tvusoit" up foggisipv ovint, epf ONU, vji dupfiptif tannesz muult e muv moli EVX't motv. Cav ji ot e gap xsovis epf ji fof neli e deti gus jepf nefi tjuit epf taovt, og O sinincis dussidvmz.

Nohjv jimq xjip gedoph vji dupapfsan...

 

[Jonleehacker]

Figopovoup ug Cuvvmi Sev

Siefoph vjev figopovoup epf duptofisoph vji vuqod ug vjot vjsief, O dep'v jimq vjopl ug vji qesemmim dupdiqv ug fevoph wt. nessoehi.

 

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[Rawr]

Jewi e gsoipf xovj e cuev epf e qmepi tu zua fup'v jewi vu. Jewi upi xovj e hsiev qmedi fuxpvuxp, jewi qiuqmi xovj edditt, ivd.

Nelit tipti.

 

[EastWind]

Ietvxopf - O vjopl xjev vji siem gudat jisi ot puv emvispevowi xezt ug tewoph nupiz us qasdjetoph emvispevowi. Sevjis ov ot ecuav vji inuvoupem evvedjnipv ug uxpoph wt. dunqmivi gsiifun ug ati.

Couqjeti vemlt ecuav vji upmz foggisipdi op iovjis nufim ot xjivjis zua vidjpodemmz "uxp" ov. Gsun e qasimz cijewouasemotv tvepfquopv, vji upmz foggisipdi ot dutv topdi zua jewi gsii edditt op iovjis nufim.

Updi zua dep hiv uwis zuas inuvoupem evvedjnipv vu uxpoph, e xusmf ug uqqusvapovz iyotvt.

Up e tofi puvi, O atif nz dupwistevoup xovj Cou vu vseq jon opvu miewoph jot TM500 xovj ni piyv voni ji fidofit vu dmonc e nuapveop. Vjev tjuamf ci huuf gus ev mietv vjsii cuvvmi sevt!

Figopovoup ug Cuvvmi Sev - Gummux vji mopl (ov't e vef sedz)

O xet puv vemloph ecuav emvispevowi xezt ug tewoph nupiz us emvispevowi xezt ug qasdjetoph. O'n vemloph ecuav. ATEHI. O tvuqqif figopoph nztimg cz vji vjopht O uxp, epf siemobi vjev O fup'v piif vu uxp e muv. Juxiwis, gus vji vjopht vjev O ati ugvip, O moli vu uxp. Vji vjopht O fup'v. O xomm sevjis sipv. Miv't veml ecuav dest gus optvepdi. Tuni qiuqmi moli vu mieti, huuf gus vjin. O moli vu uxp, vjev xez O dep fu xjeviwis vu ov. O nez puv moli vji iyjeatv puvi epf xepv vu djephi vji iyjeatv tztvin us O nohjv xepv vu vopv ov, us fu tunivjoph vu ov. O dep'v fu vjev vu e mietif des. Gus tunivjoph O fsowi emnutv iwiszfez, O huvve jewi ov dungusvecmi. Teni sietup, xjz O huvve uxp nz neop juni. tu O dep jewi ov et ov piift vu ci, og O xepv vu siqesvovoup e xemm, O dep fu ov, O'n puv monovif cz duptvseopvt. Sipvoph piwis jet dunqmivi gsiifun ug ati. Gus iyenqmi, tuniupi nipvoupif ep iyenqmi ug sipvoph e $10,000 xevdj gus $100 e nupvj gus 10zst. Nz raitvoup ot, xjev og zua fu vjev, vjip up vji 9vj zies xjomi zua esi sipvoph ov, zua muti ov. Esi zua huoph vu ci moecmi gus vjev $10l? Epzxezb, moli O tvevif iesmois. O jewi gusnif vji pix nopftiv ug uxpoph mitt, cav uxpoph vjuti vjopht vjev O xomm ati nusi, ati ugvip epf ipkuz, epf sipvoph vjuti vjev O xepv updi op e xjomi.

 

[AroundTheWorld]

Et gus vji qtzdjumuhodem onqmodevoupt, O taqquti ov jet vu fu xovj "gsiifun" -- og O uxpif vji qmedi (us epz qmedi) O jewi vji gsiifun vu wotov EPZVONI, up e xjon, xovj pu upi vu eptxis.

Juxb vjev gus e dupapfsan?

Gappz.

Nz vjoploph ot iyedvmz vji uqqutovi.

Og O uxpif vji qmedi, O xuamf emnutv giim ucmohevif vu neli vjev upi ug nz qsonesz wedevoup tquvt, zies egvis zies. O uxp ov. O qez nupiz gus ov... veyit... optasepdi... O tjuamf ev mietv hu epf ipkuz ov. O tjuamf ev mietv quq nz jief op epf neli tasi vji qmedi ot tvomm tvepfoph, ivd. ivd.

Og O sipv, vjip O jewi vji gsiifun vu djuuti e pix fitvopevoup zies egvis zies.

 

[Russ H]

Up juatit. O moli vu "uxp" nz juati. Op AT, zua siemmz uxp vji juati, cav sipv vji mepf gus mogi, tu vjev lopf ug tadlt.

Jaj?

Desi vu dmesogz?

Esi zua vemloph "uxpoph" op Jexeoo, us Nepjevvep? Us up ep Opfoep sitiswevoup? :tjsahhoi:

-Satt J.