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What a way to smack everyone in the face for contributing. a**hole.

You don’t sound like a very happy person. Hope all turns out well
 

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You are not really proving against anything.

High education attainment is correlated with having few sexual partners and delaying sexual gratification.

How the hell are you a low achiever?
Please stop projecting your own opinion and insecurities onto other people.

Between 03.13. and 04.17. (time I did my PhD) I've laid more than 30 women.

I couldn't get laid in my masters or bachelor's not because I was busy, I didn't get laid because I was insecure as F*ck.
 

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This thread has really taken off. Read some and I'll post some examples of people that completely changed trajectories

It is better to be younger, there's no reason you can' t do it later.
You'd be surprised what you might be able to accomplish if the gas is pressed to the floor and the steering wheeled is cranked all the way.

Ben Cagle started monsterads, I studied him and read through his FB (I study people to see how they do things).

Granted these people made massive sacrifices preceding their success.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VRI_-_WevM


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The 2nd guy owns a network of adult sites and other sites. He used to be a freelance journalist and has pieces in Rolling Stone and several other magazines. Long story short he got a little too much into the partying with all the bands and other groups and lost everything.

I know him through only email correspondence and message board posts but it got so bad that he started performing sexual acts for a fix of drugs, in my opinion that's about as rock bottom as it gets.

I just know he moved back in with his mom and even when he moved out initially he had to get some assistance to pay his rent but he has since gone on to do well. He mentioned that he never left the house (or apt) the first few years.
CCBill is the main biller for most adult sites that don't use NATS or some other system. He had to borrow the $700 for an account.

From his site:

My physical details aren't important (you're here for the girls, anyway) and since I'm never filmed from the waist up who cares what I look like? I look like YOU - just an average guy. So how did I become The Porn Nerd? Simple: At 40 I found myself divorced, fat, celibate, depressed and living back at home with my mother. OMG!! This madness had to stop - and I had to get laid! But what to do? Being a (former) city boy without a driver's license and stuck out in the 'burbs the prospects seemed hopeless...
But then I discovered "The Secret" - a surefire way to attract sluts who would travel to me. So what's The Secret? You're using it right now! Yes, The Internet - and the pure kink of having total strangers see you naked and watch you F*ck. Turns out, with a few cleverly-worded online ads, some phone calls and the promise of Internet Stardom, there are countless amateur sluts out there willing to strip and F*ck on camera - FOR FREE! I know, I know - sounds crazy but it's all 100% TRUE!
As you'll see when you Join, my first few attempts were awkward and messy but soon my confidence returned (practice always helps) and I began getting some HOT footage! And, in no time, there was a new girl almost every week knocking at my door wanting to F*ck The Porn Nerd. And I know what you're thinking - "He must pay these girls, right?" WRONG! Sure, they get some pictures & video in return (and, if they drove a long way, some gas $$) but that's all! It amazes even me, even now...
I've since moved out of my mom's house - whew! - but I still continue My Adventures. I travel often and guess what? There are sluts all over this nation, eager to meet and "work with" Porn Nerd! So when you Join you'll see some hot hotel shoots, too. And here's the Best Part: Inside, next to each photo set and video, there's the real-life story of how I met the "model", how I enticed her, and all the little details no one could make up. These girls lead crazy lives! But they're also HOT so it's all worth it...
Since beginning this site I've gone on to create interesting, unique and beautiful websites. You can see them all at Porn Nerd Network. Some of my sites feature amateurs, since that's how I started, and some sites showcase gorgeous and artistic erotica you won't find anywhere else on the Web. I'm proud of all I've built since sleeping on my mom's couch a few years ago. I want to share it with everyone because I know you'll love it like I do! Thanks for checking me out and my sites and I hope to see you on the inside, where all the fun happens! - The Porn Nerd


What do these 2 guys have in common? Neither graduated high school through the 2nd guy did get a degree in journalism later in college. When people achieve outlier success they usually open up about mortifying or embarrassing things from the past to some extent.

Both worked 24/7 the first few years or more before they started outsourcing and setting up better systems.

One guy had to start something different at 33 and the other had to start completely over at 40.

That said, don't wait to be any older!
 

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Believe what you like. There are people out there who have had terrible circumstances to overcome that made it happen. Seeing the headline reminds me of the SCRIPTED talk I used to hear about "having x" thing by a certain age.
 

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Please stop projecting your own opinion and insecurities onto other people.

Between 03.13. and 04.17. (time I did my PhD) I've laid more than 30 women.

I couldn't get laid in my masters or bachelor's not because I was busy, I didn't get laid because I was insecure as F*ck.
I am saying is you are making a mountain out of a molehill. A PHD at 27 is a huge success. Even if you had social anxiety issue it just made the former self not “all rounded”. I just don’t see that as a low achiever. That’s a joke.
 

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KFC i

s one example off a man who made it after 60 never mind 35

age is not the problem. people don't understand that entrepreuneurship is a war against lazy irrational customers .

marketing is military strategy applied to business ( intelligence, attack moves etc.)

here's an example : mental triggers in a military-like system to master that lazy irrational customer ( jeff Walker's PLF)

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other case : Frank Kern's Mass control


if this is not military-like stuff to manage custoemrs, i don't know what it is

it looks like General Frank Kern is at work

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so yes this is a war

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entrepreneurs should see themselves as Generals of their lives

---> the war is your life, your future




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age is not the problem. people don't understand that entrepreuneurship is a war against lazy irrational customers .
Not a war against inefficient firms or competitors?

There's usually a similar product already existing in the marketplace, for every new product offering.
 
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Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

The reality is that one’s youth is HIGHLY HIGHLY influential in the direction of one’s life. Take a guy who got bullied since pre school. He will grow up thinking he is unlovable. This will cause him to not try in anything. This will then further reinforce his low value even further creating a downward spiral. Can he fix this? Of course. And many have. But some won’t. And those that didn’t receive that negative feedback will have a major advantage.

The same with any skill. If you are 6’7 and want to join the NBA at 31 you have no shot. The guy who was 6’7 and wanted to join the NBA since 7 will outclass you 10000%.

I think the same could be with entrepreneurship or with anything. The younger you are the more positive reference experience you will get which will further reinforce your level of output and energy to get the result. The upward spiral of awesomeness. The opposite holds true as well.

Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?

Try 50 years out bought out by company and still has huge bills and a Mortage
 

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Wasn't the KFC guy in his 60's?

I detect false cause fallacy.
Making it (effect) is not caused by age (cause).
However, big money (effect) is caused by delivering big value (cause).
 
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Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

The reality is that one’s youth is HIGHLY HIGHLY influential in the direction of one’s life. Take a guy who got bullied since pre school. He will grow up thinking he is unlovable. This will cause him to not try in anything. This will then further reinforce his low value even further creating a downward spiral. Can he fix this? Of course. And many have. But some won’t. And those that didn’t receive that negative feedback will have a major advantage.

The same with any skill. If you are 6’7 and want to join the NBA at 31 you have no shot. The guy who was 6’7 and wanted to join the NBA since 7 will outclass you 10000%.

I think the same could be with entrepreneurship or with anything. The younger you are the more positive reference experience you will get which will further reinforce your level of output and energy to get the result. The upward spiral of awesomeness. The opposite holds true as well.

Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?
I've struggled with this same sort of thinking... most entrepreneurs... or anyone who's ever done anything worth talking about probably have as well.

My experience growing up was a lot like the example you mentioned... although I'm 20 now...not 35.

I got a sales job and forced myself into social interactions daily... I still have super low self-confidence.

Unwriting the scripts we've been programmed with is incredibly difficult.

But, there are a lot of people out there making money solving problems... guaranteed plenty of them are less experienced and less competent than yourself.

Value and age aren't necessarily related I'd say... but maybe I'm just biased.

MJ did it in less than a decade... 5 years... right? He didn't get there at 22.

You don't have to be Zuckerberg to help someone out.
 

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This thread is spot on, imagine you have the cure for cancer, people would say:

You're over 35 ? get out of here i don't want to see my grandkids grow.
 

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Wow 223 replies. Like Popeye say, "Gonna buy a lot of gumballs.!"
 
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So since I am exactly 35 you're saying there is a chance ;)
Of course. Listen. Anyone can make it. In fact the lower you come from
LOL. Looks like you're young but have no cojones.
no matter what o say it will be skewed and people will believe what they want to say. My views are solidified by real life experience. Beliefs that take 35 years to build won’t change automatically but graduallly. Yes you can change but it’ll be hard
 

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Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

The reality is that one’s youth is HIGHLY HIGHLY influential in the direction of one’s life. Take a guy who got bullied since pre school. He will grow up thinking he is unlovable. This will cause him to not try in anything. This will then further reinforce his low value even further creating a downward spiral. Can he fix this? Of course. And many have. But some won’t. And those that didn’t receive that negative feedback will have a major advantage.

The same with any skill. If you are 6’7 and want to join the NBA at 31 you have no shot. The guy who was 6’7 and wanted to join the NBA since 7 will outclass you 10000%.

I think the same could be with entrepreneurship or with anything. The younger you are the more positive reference experience you will get which will further reinforce your level of output and energy to get the result. The upward spiral of awesomeness. The opposite holds true as well.

Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?
Brian, I just read this whole thread. I heard you say people are misunderstanding you. I heard you say that your perspective is based on observations of cold, hard facts.

But Brian, you are so, so, so far off. Other posters have thrown up their hands, so maybe I shouldn't bother, but I feel compelled to throw my voice against what you've said in the hope that maybe, just maybe, you can see a glimpse of the unhelpful mindset that you're holding. Or if it's not you, maybe someone else can see the light through this post.

I say this because I care about you. For whatever reason, you are here, and you want better things for yourself, but you somehow can't even see that you are shooting yourself in the foot with this mindset.

So let's take me as case study #1. I started after 35.
OK, so I match your criteria ("KEY WORD, START")

My starting point:
  • Broke
  • Slowlane mentality from birth to age 36
  • Family is all on the slowlane
  • Married to a sidewalker who thinks that everything is impossible and everyone is against him.
  • In debt
  • Job history all over the map. I used my 20's for adventure, so my resume is a string of 2-year stints at jobs in all different industries
Now, let's take your initial question:

"Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35?"
And let's juxtapose that against your thread title.

"Let’s Be Real: If You're Over 35, You Don't Have A Chance."
OK, you've shown your cards.

You don't believe it's possible.

If I'm going to "be real," according to you, should I should just give up, throw up my hands, and say, "Yeah, reality says I'm finished. I'm doomed. I have no chance"?

Trust me, Brian. I'm looking reality in the face.
  • I need an enormous escape velocity to have any chance at a comfortable life.
  • I am very aware of my very low risk tolerance. The older I get, the harder it's going to be to start over - again - and get someone to hire me.
  • I'm not one of those "over 35-year-olds" with a big nest egg that I can use to fund my fastlane venture. I have to bootstrap every single step forward. I have to hustle VERY hard if I'm going to make it.
Which is precisely why the fastlane is the only way for me to go.

I don't have time to do the whole "work for 40 years and do compound interest" thing.

I have very limited time and energy. It's not like I can work part-time and put 40-60 hours into a side hustle or a business venture. Every decision to work on my business is a trade-off. It's usually a trade-off to give up sleep. So I need to make decisions that give me more money for less time.

But here's the crux of the matter, where your mindset is all messed up, Brian.

Which one of these is more helpful for me to point my focus?
  1. Focus on how hard and impossible this is? OR
  2. Focus on what actions ARE AVAILABLE for me to take, what I CAN DO, and what will get me to my goals the fastest?

Number 1 says, "I don't stand a chance."
Number 2 says, "I am an adult, I have a brain, I have choices, and I'm going to find a way to make this work."

Number 1 says, "Why bother?"
Number 2 says, "I'm going to keep trying."

Number 1 says, "It's too late."
Number 2 says, "It's never too late."

Number 1 says, "Everything is against me."
Number 2 says, "I'm more than a match for all the odds that are stacked up."

Number 1 says, "It's hopeless."
Number 2 says, "I have a promising future and I'll be rewarded BIG TIME at the end of the road."

Number 1 says, "I'm a victim."
Number 2 says, "I can make wise choices that minimize the negative experiences I face."

Number 1 says, "I can't."
Number 2 says, "I can."

Number 1 is the SCRIPT.
Number 2 is UNSCRIPTED.

Brian, all the way through, your comments sound like #1. That's why you're getting such a rise out of people. Most of the people on this forum are in a Number 2 mindset. And their Number 2 mindset is objecting violently to your Number 1 mindset.

They're objecting because they see the damage that the number 1 mindset will do to you.

A Number 2 mindset is why they are successful.

A Number 2 mindset will contribute to your success. At ANY age.

A number 1 mindset will defeat you all by itself. Even if you're lucky enough to start at an EARLY age.

Start looking around at the mindset that people hold, Brian. Look for whether there are commonalities between the mindset that unsuccessful people hold versus the mindset that successful people hold. If you don't know what a successful person's mindset looks like, review the items under "Number 2" above. Read books like Eat That Frog that are written by people who operate out of a successful mindset. Listen to podcasts by people like Ryan Hawk who operate out of a successful mindset.

This is my 300th post on this forum. If I could put my hands on your shoulders and look you in the eye and plead with you for your own good, I would say, Brian, don't let my 300th post be wasted. Examine your mindset. Look and see if it's an unhelpful mindset. It's going to destroy you if it hasn't started already.

Oh, and by the way, WATCH THIS.

This 35+ year-old is gonna rock some boats. You just wait.
 
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I started my first business at age 36. I made $250K on year 1, on track to hit $450K+ on year 2. It all depends on your education and, above all, attitude. You can learn anything, but it's hard to change someone's negative mindset.

Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

The reality is that one’s youth is HIGHLY HIGHLY influential in the direction of one’s life. Take a guy who got bullied since pre school. He will grow up thinking he is unlovable. This will cause him to not try in anything. This will then further reinforce his low value even further creating a downward spiral. Can he fix this? Of course. And many have. But some won’t. And those that didn’t receive that negative feedback will have a major advantage.

The same with any skill. If you are 6’7 and want to join the NBA at 31 you have no shot. The guy who was 6’7 and wanted to join the NBA since 7 will outclass you 10000%.

I think the same could be with entrepreneurship or with anything. The younger you are the more positive reference experience you will get which will further reinforce your level of output and energy to get the result. The upward spiral of awesomeness. The opposite holds true as well.

Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?
 

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Came here thinking the thread title was some brilliant copywriting.. I was going to find some well written, well thought out piece about how hustle knows no age. I was going to say, "Wow, that moved me."

Nope.

Whiny drama.
 
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Brian, I just read this whole thread. I heard you say people are misunderstanding you. I heard you say that your perspective is based on observations of cold, hard facts.

But Brian, you are so, so, so far off. Other posters have thrown up their hands, so maybe I shouldn't bother, but I feel compelled to throw my voice against what you've said in the hope that maybe, just maybe, you can see a glimpse of the unhelpful mindset that you're holding. Or if it's not you, maybe someone else can see the light through this post.

I say this because I care about you. For whatever reason, you are here, and you want better things for yourself, but you somehow can't even see that you are shooting yourself in the foot with this mindset.

So let's take me as case study #1. I started after 35.
OK, so I match your criteria ("KEY WORD, START")

My starting point:
  • Broke
  • Slowlane mentality from birth to age 36
  • Family is all on the slowlane
  • Married to a sidewalker who thinks that everything is impossible and everyone is against him.
  • In debt
  • Job history all over the map. I used my 20's for adventure, so my resume is a string of 2-year stints at jobs in all different industries
Now, let's take your initial question:



And let's juxtapose that against your thread title.



OK, you've shown your cards.

You don't believe it's possible.

If I'm going to "be real," according to you, should I should just give up, throw up my hands, and say, "Yeah, reality says I'm finished. I'm doomed. I have no chance"?

Trust me, Brian. I'm looking reality in the face.
  • I need an enormous escape velocity to have any chance at a comfortable life.
  • I am very aware of my very low risk tolerance. The older I get, the harder it's going to be to start over - again - and get someone to hire me.
  • I'm not one of those "over 35-year-olds" with a big nest egg that I can use to fund my fastlane venture. I have to bootstrap every single step forward. I have to hustle VERY hard if I'm going to make it.
Which is precisely why the fastlane is the only way for me to go.

I don't have time to do the whole "work for 40 years and do compound interest" thing.

I have very limited time and energy. It's not like I can work part-time and put 40-60 hours into a side hustle or a business venture. Every decision to work on my business is a trade-off. It's usually a trade-off to give up sleep. So I need to make decisions that give me more money for less time.

But here's the crux of the matter, where your mindset is all messed up, Brian.

Which one of these is more helpful for me to point my focus?
  1. Focus on how hard and impossible this is? OR
  2. Focus on what actions ARE AVAILABLE for me to take, what I CAN DO, and what will get me to my goals the fastest?

Number 1 says, "I don't stand a chance."
Number 2 says, "I am an adult, I have a brain, I have choices, and I'm going to find a way to make this work."

Number 1 says, "Why bother?"
Number 2 says, "I'm going to keep trying."

Number 1 says, "It's too late."
Number 2 says, "It's never too late."

Number 1 says, "Everything is against me."
Number 2 says, "I'm more than a match for all the odds that are stacked up."

Number 1 says, "It's hopeless."
Number 2 says, "I have a promising future and I'll be rewarded BIG TIME at the end of the road."

Number 1 says, "I'm a victim."
Number 2 says, "I can make wise choices that minimize the negative experiences I face."

Number 1 says, "I can't."
Number 2 says, "I can."

Number 1 is the SCRIPT.
Number 2 is UNSCRIPTED.

Brian, all the way through, your comments sound like #1. That's why you're getting such a rise out of people. Most of the people on this forum are in a Number 2 mindset. And their Number 2 mindset is objecting violently to your Number 1 mindset.

They're objecting because they see the damage that the number 1 mindset will do to you.

A Number 2 mindset is why they are successful.

A Number 2 mindset will contribute to your success. At ANY age.

A number 1 mindset will defeat you all by itself. Even if you're lucky enough to start at an EARLY age.

Start looking around at the mindset that people hold, Brian. Look for whether there are commonalities between the mindset that unsuccessful people hold versus the mindset that successful people hold. If you don't know what a successful person's mindset looks like, review the items under "Number 2" above. Read books like Eat That Frog that are written by people who operate out of a successful mindset. Listen to podcasts by people like Ryan Hawk who operate out of a successful mindset.

This is my 300th post on this forum. If I could put my hands on your shoulders and look you in the eye and plead with you for your own good, I would say, Brian, don't let my 300th post be wasted. Examine your mindset. Look and see if it's an unhelpful mindset. It's going to destroy you if it hasn't started already.

Oh, and by the way, WATCH THIS.

This 35+ year-old is gonna rock some boats. You just wait.
I agree with everything you said. I am saying this because most 35+! Year olds I meet have NO energy to commit to tue
Brian, I just read this whole thread. I heard you say people are misunderstanding you. I heard you say that your perspective is based on observations of cold, hard facts.

But Brian, you are so, so, so far off. Other posters have thrown up their hands, so maybe I shouldn't bother, but I feel compelled to throw my voice against what you've said in the hope that maybe, just maybe, you can see a glimpse of the unhelpful mindset that you're holding. Or if it's not you, maybe someone else can see the light through this post.

I say this because I care about you. For whatever reason, you are here, and you want better things for yourself, but you somehow can't even see that you are shooting yourself in the foot with this mindset.

So let's take me as case study #1. I started after 35.
OK, so I match your criteria ("KEY WORD, START")

My starting point:
  • Broke
  • Slowlane mentality from birth to age 36
  • Family is all on the slowlane
  • Married to a sidewalker who thinks that everything is impossible and everyone is against him.
  • In debt
  • Job history all over the map. I used my 20's for adventure, so my resume is a string of 2-year stints at jobs in all different industries
Now, let's take your initial question:



And let's juxtapose that against your thread title.



OK, you've shown your cards.

You don't believe it's possible.

If I'm going to "be real," according to you, should I should just give up, throw up my hands, and say, "Yeah, reality says I'm finished. I'm doomed. I have no chance"?

Trust me, Brian. I'm looking reality in the face.
  • I need an enormous escape velocity to have any chance at a comfortable life.
  • I am very aware of my very low risk tolerance. The older I get, the harder it's going to be to start over - again - and get someone to hire me.
  • I'm not one of those "over 35-year-olds" with a big nest egg that I can use to fund my fastlane venture. I have to bootstrap every single step forward. I have to hustle VERY hard if I'm going to make it.
Which is precisely why the fastlane is the only way for me to go.

I don't have time to do the whole "work for 40 years and do compound interest" thing.

I have very limited time and energy. It's not like I can work part-time and put 40-60 hours into a side hustle or a business venture. Every decision to work on my business is a trade-off. It's usually a trade-off to give up sleep. So I need to make decisions that give me more money for less time.

But here's the crux of the matter, where your mindset is all messed up, Brian.

Which one of these is more helpful for me to point my focus?
  1. Focus on how hard and impossible this is? OR
  2. Focus on what actions ARE AVAILABLE for me to take, what I CAN DO, and what will get me to my goals the fastest?

Number 1 says, "I don't stand a chance."
Number 2 says, "I am an adult, I have a brain, I have choices, and I'm going to find a way to make this work."

Number 1 says, "Why bother?"
Number 2 says, "I'm going to keep trying."

Number 1 says, "It's too late."
Number 2 says, "It's never too late."

Number 1 says, "Everything is against me."
Number 2 says, "I'm more than a match for all the odds that are stacked up."

Number 1 says, "It's hopeless."
Number 2 says, "I have a promising future and I'll be rewarded BIG TIME at the end of the road."

Number 1 says, "I'm a victim."
Number 2 says, "I can make wise choices that minimize the negative experiences I face."

Number 1 says, "I can't."
Number 2 says, "I can."

Number 1 is the SCRIPT.
Number 2 is UNSCRIPTED.

Brian, all the way through, your comments sound like #1. That's why you're getting such a rise out of people. Most of the people on this forum are in a Number 2 mindset. And their Number 2 mindset is objecting violently to your Number 1 mindset.

They're objecting because they see the damage that the number 1 mindset will do to you.

A Number 2 mindset is why they are successful.

A Number 2 mindset will contribute to your success. At ANY age.

A number 1 mindset will defeat you all by itself. Even if you're lucky enough to start at an EARLY age.

Start looking around at the mindset that people hold, Brian. Look for whether there are commonalities between the mindset that unsuccessful people hold versus the mindset that successful people hold. If you don't know what a successful person's mindset looks like, review the items under "Number 2" above. Read books like Eat That Frog that are written by people who operate out of a successful mindset. Listen to podcasts by people like Ryan Hawk who operate out of a successful mindset.

This is my 300th post on this forum. If I could put my hands on your shoulders and look you in the eye and plead with you for your own good, I would say, Brian, don't let my 300th post be wasted. Examine your mindset. Look and see if it's an unhelpful mindset. It's going to destroy you if it hasn't started already.

Oh, and by the way, WATCH THIS.

This 35+ year-old is gonna rock some boats. You just wait.
Completely agree. I guess my views are biased because even for myself seeing how long it took me to remove mountains of false beliefs about myself and life at such a young age I can only imagine how hard someone at 35 and above must have it since they are more likely to form an ego.
 

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I agree with everything you said. I am saying this because most 35+! Year olds I meet have NO energy to commit to tue

Completely agree. I guess my views are biased because even for myself seeing how long it took me to remove mountains of false beliefs about myself and life at such a young age I can only imagine how hard someone at 35 and above must have it since they are more likely to form an ego.
Not willing to go into long discussion, but 90% in their 20's will never even try. I have met maybe 510 people in my age who have interest into having their own business. FIVE! While I recently was in university with 1000s! They are all young, full of potential, but no one is considering anything other than just getting the most comfortable, stable job and dreaming about that fancy, once-a-year vacation.
Age really doesn't matter. Most people will never make it.
And some people will make it.
At age 50.
With physical or mental issues.
Coming from a traumatic childhood etc.
It's truly hard work to rewire yourself, but age has nothing to do with this. Someone, aged 30+ might have helpful characteristics, that a 20 year is yet to develop.
There are 50 year olds finishing Ironman Triathlons and there are 20 year olds who can't run 5 miles. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Maybe. Maybe not. They make different choices. It's choices that matter, not age. Unless you're 70. Then I could agree you're pretty late.
I'm in my 20's and it's pretty damn hard. 90% of the process is dealing with your own mind.
But, who cares? That's right. No one cares whether you'll make it or not. It's up to you to decide.
Learn how to swim or stay on the island of mediocrity...
I would rather drown than never make a change.
 
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Not willing to go into long discussion, but 90% in their 20's will never even try. I have met maybe 510 people in my age who have interest into having their own business. FIVE! While I recently was in university with 1000s! They are all young, full of potential, but no one is considering anything other than just getting the most comfortable, stable job and dreaming about that fancy, once-a-year vacation.
Age really doesn't matter. Most people will never make it.
And some people will make it.
At age 50.
With physical or mental issues.
Coming from a traumatic childhood etc.
It's truly hard work to rewire yourself, but age has nothing to do with this. Someone, aged 30+ might have helpful characteristics, that a 20 year is yet to develop.
There are 50 year olds finishing Ironman Triathlons and there are 20 year olds who can't run 5 miles. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Maybe. Maybe not. They make different choices. It's choices that matter, not age. Unless you're 70. Then I could agree you're pretty late.
I'm in my 20's and it's pretty damn hard. 90% of the process is dealing with your own mind.
But, who cares? That's right. No one cares whether you'll make it or not. It's up to you to decide.
Learn how to swim or drown...
I would rather drown than never make a change.
I heard somewhere that lifes cruel joke is that while our bodys grow old our souls grow young.
 

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I am saying is you are making a mountain out of a molehill. A PHD at 27 is a huge success. Even if you had social anxiety issue it just made the former self not “all rounded”. I just don’t see that as a low achiever. That’s a joke.
My point was, that academic achievement has absolutely nothing to do with relinquishing your social life. I am the living example of it.

Going through traumas in your formative years is also not the all-end of your life. It all ends in if you stay diligent and dedicated. If you are 35/45/55, and you do not have your shit figured out, you have still at least 30/20/10 years of execution in front of you. The question is: what are you going to do with it???

I am not a really emphatic person. But I definitely cannot relate to any kind of absolute nihilism.
 

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I read the first and last page of this thread to save time. Excuse me if I missed any points inbetween those pages. @Brian Suh you're both slightly on the right track but also entirely wrong. It does get harder as one gets older due to having more external responsibilities and other things weighing one down, but it's not impossible. There are people who have the will to crawl themselves back up, and those are the 1%. Yes it's not common, but it does occur. If you read the books you'd understand it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE COMMON. Those who make it are exceptional, and they come from all ages. Those who tried for 15-20 years and failed, are probably doing something wrong. If they tweak their strategy and follow CENTS, they could succeed whatever age they are currently at.
 

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I'd also like to specifically reply the the NBA basketball or weightlifting analogies you bring up @Brian Suh . As others have probably said, endeavors that require physical strength or prowess obviously has an age advantage. Thus why even professional athletes retire in their 30s (even if they're not rich, their bodies no longer can compete with those in their 20s). But comparing business to lifting weights or playing sports is moronic. The skill set required to succeed in business doesn't atrophy with age. (Until we get into the extremes where there's Alzheimer's or dementia). In fact, experience builds as one gets older. What one learns from that experience is specifically up to each individual but is irrelevant to their age.
 

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I've been a hustler all my life, since middle school.

I didn't make it until I was 30. From 12 until 30.. it took me 18 years to make it. Besides, what's "made it" anyways?

While I still made it before 35, let's face it.. I was on the tail end of your spectrum.

I ended up losing a lot of what I made. Not because I spent foolishly, but because the market changed and the income dried up before I could react and handle it. Something I lacked experience in.

By 35 I had to start all over again almost. Granted, I had everything paid for and no debt, but a lot of 18 year old's have that too ( no debt ) while living with their parents right?

I def. "made it" again when I had to start over at 35.

I know not everyone is like me and has different circumstances, but I feel at age 35 you have more chances to succeed, than under 35.

Why?

Because of experience. Experience takes time and failures. How many failures and experience could a 25 year old really have compared to a 35 year old? I know there is more to it than just this, but wanting to point this out.

While a lot of time is needed for failures and experience to mature, you also have to consider market movement. Some of my ideas and failures were "way before their time". The market wasn't ready. The timing wasn't right.

So you're battling a moving window ( the market ) while also battling how much experience you have from your failures.

For all those things to align up correctly for a 23 year old seems less likely ( but I agree could be doable ) than for someone that is 35 who has been playing the game longer and has better "gut" and perspective.

BTW, Im 41 this year and I am having more success than I ever had before. Big things poppin.....

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Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

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Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?
Whether you think you can or you think you cannot, you are right.
 

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Exactly 4 years ago I was 35 years old, had just been made redundant from my slow lane job and had nothing more to show for my years of entrepreneurial efforts than a couple of defunct websites that at their best generated enough money for a cup of coffee each day.

Next year I turn 40 and will be in the position where I could legitimately retire and never work another day in my life if I decided to do so.

All this was achieved in less than 5 years building a business based on the fastlane principles.

Unless you're on your deathbed it's never too late.
 

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La vie s'apprend tout le jours jusqu'aux derniers jours de notre vie . Autant apprendre à déverrouillé le cadenas afin d'enlevé les chênes de la rate race . ( Pour trouvé l'inspiration et la motivations , il n'y a qu'as penser a ceux qui regarde la Lune depuis leurs cellules de détentions ) .L'age est une morale est la morale est la plus grande faiblesse du cerveau humain .
 

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