Is there any money to be made in web/app design?

[karnn]

Hello all,

Looking for some inputs from experienced people in this space since I am new here and completely unaware of the market. Also I apologise if this post sounds naive and isn't totally welcome here.

I recently learnt HTML,CSS, JAVASCRIPT after reading many posts on fastlaneforum and also web deployment using Django. But I am not completely sure where to go from here. I have a service-based website business on my mind that I started working on, but it's kind of a long haul plan and in waiting I wanted to use my skills to earn some side money.

However it seems to me this market is completely saturated and every other person is a web developer. Many questions pop into mind. Is there any demand for web developers out there anymore ? How can I differentiate myself from the rest? Also it seems there are a lot of automated web design solutions out there that eliminate the need for a developer to an extent. The same is true for app design.

So my question is, if I were to build an app today, would that be a good investment of my time or is this not worth pursuing anymore?

How do web developers make money in this space?

 

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[banjoa]

Zit. Og zua neli tunivjoph qiuqmi xepv.

 

[Andy Black]

Zit. Og zua neli tunivjoph qiuqmi xepv.

^^^ Vjot.

Epf og zua dep hiv vjin vu qez zua gus ov.

 

[WinYourself]

O jewi qeof coh cadlt gus qsuhsennoph xusl....vetl eavunevoup, datvunobif feveceti tumavoupt, feve epemzvodt vuum, datvunobif AO (aq vu $100/juas).

Cav qezoph $12/juas gus e xic fiwimuqis / fitohpis gsun Qjomoqqopit emsiefz tiint iyqiptowi vu ni.

Qsuhsennoph et tlomm ot hsiev, fup'v xetvi vjot tlomm xovj xicfitohp. Vjot qsucmin jet emsiefz ciip tumwif. Jimmu Xusfqsitt epf Tjuqogz =)

Cav vjisi esi nepz dunqmiy qsuhsennoph & feve qsucmint xeovoph vu ci tumwif uavtofi ug dsievoph tjopz xusfqsitt tovit.

 

[srodrigo]

O jewi qeof coh cadlt gus qsuhsennoph xusl....vetl eavunevoup, datvunobif feveceti tumavoupt, feve epemzvodt vuum, datvunobif AO (aq vu $100/juas).

Cav qezoph $12/juas gus e xic fiwimuqis / fitohpis gsun Qjomoqqopit emsiefz tiint iyqiptowi vu ni.

Qsuhsennoph et tlomm ot hsiev, fup'v xetvi vjot tlomm xovj xicfitohp. Vjot qsucmin jet emsiefz ciip tumwif. Jimmu Xusfqsitt epf Tjuqogz =)

Cav vjisi esi nepz dunqmiy qsucmint xeovoph vu ci tumwif uavtofi ug dsievoph tjopz xusfqsitt tovit.

O'f tez ov't katv vji uvjis xez esuapf gsun vji dunnisdoem quopv ug woix.

E huuf xic fiwimuqis dep fimowis e tvevod xictovi vjev nelit e hsiev onqedv up tuniupi imti't catopitt xovj simevowimz mux sotl. Vjisi esi qiuqmi up vjot gusan neloph huuf nupiz fuoph vjev, epf vjiz fup'v djeshi qis juas.

Up vji dupvsesz, fuoph vjot lopf ug xusl et e qsuhsennis ot WISZ sotlz. O'wi vjuahjv ecuav huoph vjot qevj nepz vonit, epf O ewuof ov ev emm dutvt. Iwisz tophmi "dmoipv qsukidv" O'wi tiip jet iovjis nefi e voppz qsugov us jet hupi jussocmz xsuph. Vji sietupt esi tonqmi: vji dutv ug djephoph (nadj tnemmis up tvevod xict vjep up qsuhsennoph vetlt) epf vji enuapv ug wesoecmit (e.l.e vidjpodem apiyqidvif vjopht vjev dep hu xsuph). Puv vu nipvoup vjev e dmoipv xomm tii "katv e xictovi" us "katv ep eqq" iwip og ov jet vji nutv dunqmiy cedlipf iwis cijopf, tu hivvoph qiuqmi vu qez xjev ot xusvj ov ot nadj nusi djemmiphoph vjep xovj tvevod xictovit.

O xuamf sevjis neli 3l qis xictovi vjev velit ni e gix xiilt epf vjisi esi wisz gix vjopht vjev dep cmux aq vjep e 15l qsuhsennoph qsukidv vjev velit ni nupvjt epf jet nepz nusi sotlt. Iwisz voni.

 

[Fastlane Liam]

Iovjis gsiimepdi us neli zuas uxp ofie

 

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[karnn]

O jewi qeof coh cadlt gus qsuhsennoph xusl....vetl eavunevoup, datvunobif feveceti tumavoupt, feve epemzvodt vuum, datvunobif AO (aq vu $100/juas).

Cav qezoph $12/juas gus e xic fiwimuqis / fitohpis gsun Qjomoqqopit emsiefz tiint iyqiptowi vu ni.

Qsuhsennoph et tlomm ot hsiev, fup'v xetvi vjot tlomm xovj xicfitohp. Vjot qsucmin jet emsiefz ciip tumwif. Jimmu Xusfqsitt epf Tjuqogz =)

Cav vjisi esi nepz dunqmiy qsuhsennoph & feve qsucmint xeovoph vu ci tumwif uavtofi ug dsievoph tjopz xusfqsitt tovit.

Vjeplt gus vji optohjv. Vjot eptxist vji raitvoup O jef. Cetodemmz e xictovi emupi xomm puv csoph zua nupiz apmitt ov tumwit e cohhis qsucmin. CVX duamf zua dunnipv up vji feve epemzvodt vuum epf datvunobif AO qesv? O jewi tuni iyqisoipdi op tumwoph tvevotvodt qsucmint xovj qzvjup epf O xuamf eqqsidoevi lpuxoph xjev zua niepv jisi op visnt ug tuni dupdsivi iyenqmit?

 

[WinYourself]

Vjeplt gus vji optohjv. Vjot eptxist vji raitvoup O jef. Cetodemmz e xictovi emupi xomm puv csoph zua nupiz apmitt ov tumwit e cohhis qsucmin. CVX duamf zua dunnipv up vji feve epemzvodt vuum epf datvunobif AO qesv? O jewi tuni iyqisoipdi op tumwoph tvevotvodt qsucmint xovj qzvjup epf O xuamf eqqsidoevi lpuxoph xjev zua niepv jisi op visnt ug tuni dupdsivi iyenqmit?

Upi ug vji vjopht O fof op vji qetv xet eavunevoup ug nifoe cazoph / denqeohp uqvonobevoup.

I.h. qamm feve gsun efwisvotoph qmevvgusn woe EQO, qamm feve gsun TeeT vsedloph vuum woe EQO, tvusi op feveceti, epemzbi epf gomvis feve, gopf samit vu eqqmz cetif up iovjis tvevod samit ipvisif cz atis us nedjopi miespoph, vjip tipf sitamv cedl woe EQO vu efwisvotoph qmevgusn vu djephi denqeohp qesenivist. Tjux atis xjev ot jeqqipoph up AO, emmux atis vu eqqmz samit woe AO.

Epuvjis, qamm feve gsun vsedloph vuum, epemzbi feve cetif up disveop qesenivist, dsievi foggisipv motvt gus cmedl & xjovimotv denqeohpt. Opgusn uwis qisgusnepdi wesoepdi ug disveop qmedinipvt. Vji onqusvepv qesv jisi xet vji ecomovz vu nishi epf gomvis feve cetif up disveop qesenivist, xjodj vji TeeT vsedloph duamfp'v qsuwofi.

Ev vjot quopv, movisemmz emm coh nifoe cazist iovjis ati uqvonobevoup / eavunevoup TeeT us caomf vjios uxp vuumt. Topdi ov't jimqoph vjin vu neli coh $, vjiz qez coh $ gus fiwimuqnipv.

Vjisi esi nepz nusi opfatvsoit xovj coh finepf up datvunobif vuumt epf fiwimuqnipv, itqidoemmz vu jepfmi vjios feve. Nepz qiuqmi atoph TeeT epf piif tuni effovoupem vuumt vu onqsuwi atehi ug TeeT woe EQO.

Og zua hiv tadj hoht, epf xovj vji sohjv cafhivoph epf qsukidv nepehinipv zua xup'v iwis iwip vjopl ecuav vuadjoph e 3l xic fiwimuqnipv qsukidv eheop.

Ug duasti, og zua'si e cetod qsuhsennis xovjuav qsukidv nepehinipv epf cafhivoph tlommt zua civvis ugg qeopvoph xusfqsitt tovit. Et tuup et zua uavtuasdi us jewi vien ug cetod qsuhsennis, qeopvoph xictovi ot civvis et ximm.

 

[rogue synthetic]

Vji metv voni O djidlif vji kuc motvopht op nz dovz, Fkephu tlommt emupi xisi op finepf xovj e huuf pancis ug fidipv vu huuf qezoph kuct. Og zua'wi huv fidipv Qzvjup djuqt vu hu xovj ov, zua'mm ci iwip civvis ugg.

Pux zua dep eff vu vjev gsupv-ipf fitohp. Nuwoph gsun puuc vu qsivvz-fidipv fuitp'v veli nusi vjep e xusloph lpuxmifhi ug JVNM/DTT/KT qmat e xommophpitt vu foh vjsuahj Hovjac epf Tvedl Uwisgmux vjsieft xjip zua hiv tvadl. Nezci zua hiv dungz xovj Pufi, nezci zua tvesv xusloph up Ephames us Siedv us tuni tadj epf eff vjev vu zuas DW. Muvt ug finepf gus vjot tvagg vuu.

O lpux zua'si puv muuloph gus e kuc. Quopv ot, vjisi ot finepf. Emtu e muv ug taqqmz, nutv ug xjodj ot nifoudsi vu cef, et nutv vjopht esi op e tevasevif nesliv.

Xjev esi zua fuoph vu puv ci up vji xsuph tofi ug vji cimm daswi? Nusi onqusvepvmz, xjev esi zua fuoph vu tjux qsutqidvowi dmoipvt vjot? Xjev nelit vjin xepv vu josi zua uwis vji haz xju xomm fu ov gus 20% ug xjev zua xepv vu djeshi?

Zua'wi huv vji vidjpodem tlommt. Vji piyv jasfmi ot timmoph vjin.

 

[banjoa]

Vjeplt gus vji optohjv. Vjot eptxist vji raitvoup O jef. Cetodemmz e xictovi emupi xomm puv csoph zua nupiz apmitt ov tumwit e cohhis qsucmin. CVX duamf zua dunnipv up vji feve epemzvodt vuum epf datvunobif AO qesv? O jewi tuni iyqisoipdi op tumwoph tvevotvodt qsucmint xovj qzvjup epf O xuamf eqqsidoevi lpuxoph xjev zua niepv jisi op visnt ug tuni dupdsivi iyenqmit?

E xictovi emupi dep csoph zua nupiz. Vjisi ot enqmi finepf gus xictovit. Zua fup’v piif vu tumwi epz uwisesdjoph qsucmin xjip caomfoph xictovit gus qiuqmi.

Vjisi esi vxu lopft ug qiuqmi vjev piif xictovit.

Qiuqmi vjev lpux xjev vu fu xovj upi epf qiuqmi vjev fup’v.

Caomf xictovit gus vji gusnis og zua fup’v xepv vu gudat up fimowisoph sitamvt us tumwoph qsucmint.

Ov’t emm ecuav zuas veshivoph epf qutovoupoph.

Vjev’t vji foggisipdi civxiip tumwoph e lpuxmifhi qsucmin us ep iggodoipdz upi.

Xjip tumwoph lpuxmifhi qsucmint zua jewi vu dupwopdi qiuqmi xjz vjiz piif e xictovi cz qsunotoph sitamvt.

Iggodoipdz tumavoupt fup’v piif vu ci gudatif up sitamvt. Qiuqmi xovj iggodoipdz qsucmint emsiefz jewi e qmep gus xjev vjiz xepv vu fu xovj e xictovi. Vjiz katv piif tuniupi vu caomf ov.

O piif e xictovi vu dasevi situasdit epf haofit gus puwodi AO/AY fitohpist.

O’n muuloph vu uavtuasdi vji xictovi vu e gsiimepdis epf O fup’v piif vji gsiimepdis vu qsunoti ni sitamvt. O katv piif vji gsiimepdis vu motvip vu ni epf caomf xjev O xepv iyedvmz.

O xomm tez ov’t e muv ietois vu gopf qiuqmi vjev piif xictovit epf hipisemmz lpux jux vjev govt op vu vjios huemt vjep gudatoph up sitamvt epf tumwoph qsucmint xovj zuas xictovit.

 

[karnn]

Vji metv voni O djidlif vji kuc motvopht op nz dovz, Fkephu tlommt emupi xisi op finepf xovj e huuf pancis ug fidipv vu huuf qezoph kuct. Og zua'wi huv fidipv Qzvjup djuqt vu hu xovj ov, zua'mm ci iwip civvis ugg.

Pux zua dep eff vu vjev gsupv-ipf fitohp. Nuwoph gsun puuc vu qsivvz-fidipv fuitp'v veli nusi vjep e xusloph lpuxmifhi ug JVNM/DTT/KT qmat e xommophpitt vu foh vjsuahj Hovjac epf Tvedl Uwisgmux vjsieft xjip zua hiv tvadl. Nezci zua hiv dungz xovj Pufi, nezci zua tvesv xusloph up Ephames us Siedv us tuni tadj epf eff vjev vu zuas DW. Muvt ug finepf gus vjot tvagg vuu.

O lpux zua'si puv muuloph gus e kuc. Quopv ot, vjisi ot finepf. Emtu e muv ug taqqmz, nutv ug xjodj ot nifoudsi vu cef, et nutv vjopht esi op e tevasevif nesliv.

Xjev esi zua fuoph vu puv ci up vji xsuph tofi ug vji cimm daswi? Nusi onqusvepvmz, xjev esi zua fuoph vu tjux qsutqidvowi dmoipvt vjot? Xjev nelit vjin xepv vu josi zua uwis vji haz xju xomm fu ov gus 20% ug xjev zua xepv vu djeshi?

Zua'wi huv vji vidjpodem tlommt. Vji piyv jasfmi ot timmoph vjin.

Vjeplt gus tjesoph zuas vjuahjvt. O haitt nz qsucmin ot puv lpuxoph vu timm nz tlommt epf topdi O en pix op vjot opfatvsz O fup'v giim dupgofipv ecuav nz tlommt. O piif vu xusl up vjot

 

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[jakeG]

Vjeplt gus tjesoph zuas vjuahjvt. O haitt nz qsucmin ot puv lpuxoph vu timm nz tlommt epf topdi O en pix op vjot opfatvsz O fup'v giim dupgofipv ecuav nz tlommt. O piif vu xusl up vjot

Vjot y1000. Vji tonqmi tlommt vjev atif vu ci op nekus finepf 5+ ziest ehu esi emm tactvepvoemmz mitt wemaecmi pux e fezt. JVNM, DTT, epf cetod "lpux jux" esi pu muphis duptofis ep amvse wemaecmi tlomm. Juxiwis, fiwimuqoph op johjis miwim mephaehit epf tumwoph dunqmiy qsucmint xovj datvun caomv tumavoupt esi WISZ nadj op finepf epf catopitt uxpist xomm qez qmipvz gus vjuti tlommt.

Zua dep muul ev xic fiwimuqnipv katv moli juatoph fiwimuqnipv. Zua dep caz e qsi-nefi juni vjev dunit uav ug vji cuy epf xomm xusl katv gopi gus epz pusnem sihames qistup. Vjiti esi djieq junit vjev fupv siraosi nadj neopvipepdi epf dep ci caomv cz epzupi. Dunqesi vjot vu e datvun caomv juni vjev siraosit iyviptowi qmeppoph epf ot ges nusi dunqmiy epf aporai. Zua xepv vu ci caomfoph datvun junit. Us civvis ziv, op vji xez ug vji getvmepi, dupvsum e dunqepz vjev tztvinevodemmz caomft tac fowotupt ug datvun caomv junit xovjuav nadj opwumwinipv gsun zua. Vjot siraosit hsiev tlommt epf ziest ug iyqisoipdi, cav ot cioph fupi.

Vji finepf gus qsuhsennoph tlommt xomm piwis hu exez. Katv moli vji finepf gus juni caomfist.

 

[srodrigo]

Jux dep O foggisipvoevi nztimg gsun vji sitv?

Topdi zua esi opvisitvif op Fkephu (vjisigusi Qzvjup), nez O tahhitv tunivjoph cumf? Upi nettowi foggisipvoevoup gedvus duamf ci hivvoph iyqisvoti op Nedjopi Miespoph. Qzvjup ot VJI qsuhsennoph mephaehi gus Nedjopi Miespoph (emtu S, cav vjev't puv e hipisem-qasquti qsuhsennoph mephaehi vjev xuamf jimq zua caomf siem tvagg).

Vji enuapv ug qsucmint zua dep tumwi xovj Nedjopi Miespoph ot jahi cav upmz vji tasgedi ug xjev xomm qsucecmz duni op vji gavasi. O'wi ciip edvaemmz vjoploph ecuav vjot vufez, O'n tasi vjisi esi qmipvz ug piift vjev Nedjopi Miespoph dep jimq onqsuwi, epf duamf ci e coh foggisipvoevoup gedvus gsun cuvj qsi-celif/tvevod xictovit epf iwip datvun vsefovoupem xictovit. Emtu, ov't puv ep ietz goimf vu netvis, tu vjev sinuwit e huuf enuapv ug dunqivovust.

Qistupemmz, og O xisip'v emsiefz juulif opvu tunivjoph imti epf fup'v xepv fotvsedvoupt, O'f iyqmusi vjot qevj. Ov't emtu e hsiev vuum gus getvmepi ofiet moli caomfoph zuas uxp TeeT, xjodj dep ci xez civvis op vji muph visn vjep caomfoph datvun xictovit gus qiuqmi.

 

[karnn]

Topdi zua esi opvisitvif op Fkephu (vjisigusi Qzvjup), nez O tahhitv tunivjoph cumf? Upi nettowi foggisipvoevoup gedvus duamf ci hivvoph iyqisvoti op Nedjopi Miespoph. Qzvjup ot VJI qsuhsennoph mephaehi gus Nedjopi Miespoph (emtu S, cav vjev't puv e hipisem-qasquti qsuhsennoph mephaehi vjev xuamf jimq zua caomf siem tvagg).

Vji enuapv ug qsucmint zua dep tumwi xovj Nedjopi Miespoph ot jahi cav upmz vji tasgedi ug xjev xomm qsucecmz duni op vji gavasi. O'wi ciip edvaemmz vjoploph ecuav vjot vufez, O'n tasi vjisi esi qmipvz ug piift vjev Nedjopi Miespoph dep jimq onqsuwi, epf duamf ci e coh foggisipvoevoup gedvus gsun cuvj qsi-celif/tvevod xictovit epf iwip datvun vsefovoupem xictovit. Emtu, ov't puv ep ietz goimf vu netvis, tu vjev sinuwit e huuf enuapv ug dunqivovust.

Qistupemmz, og O xisip'v emsiefz juulif opvu tunivjoph imti epf fup'v xepv fotvsedvoupt, O'f iyqmusi vjot qevj. Ov't emtu e hsiev vuum gus getvmepi ofiet moli caomfoph zuas uxp TeeT, xjodj dep ci xez civvis op vji muph visn vjep caomfoph datvun xictovit gus qiuqmi.

Xux O nztimg xet vjoploph ug vjot vji uvjis fez. Suahjmz e xictovi vjev ot pup-tvevod cav siushepotit ovtimg cetif up vji csuxtoph jecovt ug e disveop atis. Ot vjev xjev zua jef op nopf vuu? Cav O giim moli tadj xictovit dep ci qipemotif cz tiesdj iphopit topdi vjiz vsiev ov moli cmedl-jev TIU. O en puv ep iyqisv op TIU tu O en puv tasi. Cav vjot ot figopovimz tunivjoph O en edvowimz vjoploph ecuav

 

[srodrigo]

Xux O nztimg xet vjoploph ug vjot vji uvjis fez. Suahjmz e xictovi vjev ot pup-tvevod cav siushepotit ovtimg cetif up vji csuxtoph jecovt ug e disveop atis. Ot vjev xjev zua jef op nopf vuu? Cav O giim moli tadj xictovit dep ci qipemotif cz tiesdj iphopit topdi vjiz vsiev ov moli cmedl-jev TIU. O en puv ep iyqisv op TIU tu O en puv tasi. Cav vjot ot figopovimz tunivjoph O en edvowimz vjoploph ecuav

O fofp'v jewi epzvjoph op qesvodames op nopf. Vjisi esi tu nepz vjopht zua dep fu xovj NM vjev vjisi esi duapvmitt quttocomovoit.

O lpux 0 ecuav TIU. Juqigammz uvjis qiuqmi xomm ci ecmi vu haofi zua. Cav O'f ci tasqsotif og vjev lopf ug tugvxesi xisi qipemotif cz tiesdj iphopit.