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Hypnotising yourself to create the character and belief you want! (POWERFUL)

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Hypnosis does work, BUT, not like how you think it does. It may be helpful to persuade yourself or others of certain things, but beyond that its use is limited. And like much of psychotherapy, it has the causality BACKWARDS.

Mike Tyson wasn’t confident and crushing opponents in the ring because he visualized himself doing it and practiced affirmations. He would have crushed them just as much without those things. It was the countless hours in the gym and getting punched in the face that made him confident in those situations.

Your programming is the result of your BEHAVIOR - not so much of your thoughts. You’re a coward because you’re behaving like a coward.

But people don’t like accepting this basic truth because then it means that they don’t really have control over their physical environment just through their mind. It means coming to terms with their physical limitations.

Namely, you can’t be courageous in battle if you don’t practice fighting. You can’t be confident with women if you always avoid talking to them. The solutions to all your problems is to change your behaviors. You’re a weak coward, so stop doing what weak cowards do.

F*ck! Stop playing around with your thoughts and hypnotizing yourself and start doing what scares you and makes you shit your pants. That’s all you need to do to start growing.

Because like it or not, your thoughts are 90% CONTROLLED BY YOUR ENVIRONMENT. As are your emotions. And that’s exactly how it should be, because your thoughts and emotions need to help you navigate your environment given your past and current abilities. I know you wish your thoughts could be what you want to be regardless of the fact that you’re broke and can’t even afford to use a public toilet… but unfortunately, that’s not how it works!

To think like a rich man, first you have to become a rich man. Then it’s easy to think like one.


Why not @ tag me dawg?

I can see you’ve been following my content.

I’m looking forward for @Lex DeVille reading and endorsing my psychological studies though :oops::

I agree, confidence comes from actually DOING not thinking about doing things.
 
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I think it's the fact that you're a fairly new user, small post history, no avatar that makes people more comfortable attacking your post. I understand you're probably just wanting to provide value to forum but I can see why it might rub some people the wrong way.

I think affirmations + meditations are very helpful for a lot of people. This is a forum of a lot of successful people and Im positive that a lot of them dont do any of what you're suggesting so its obviously not needed or wanted from them. Even though you aren't a guru, aren't asking for money or to sign up for some sleazy course people might feel a similar way to how you've presented this.

Anyone responding to you saying that you are flat out wrong and that their solution is the correct way are more at fault than you imo. People need to experiment what works for them. There are no one size fits all solutions to becoming successful.
Yes becouse I joined the forum recently, doese'nt mean I am a noob who just started out and makes no money. I Have an e commerce business that makes me 100k+ a year.
And who cares about an Avatar anyway
I just gave the forum a shot and posted something, becouse who has time to hang out on forums in the real world if you are a serious Business man?
So if Selfhypnosis is Action faking, then spensing time on a forum is alsoba waste of time, if you apply the logic.
"So stop spending time on forums and Do the Work! Bla bla...
 

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Thanks for noticing.

It made me feel enough for women, changed the way I carry myself.
Gather courage to start kickboxing and going into amateur fights.
Controlling my emotions and my fears.
Beeing comfortable ind high stressed situations.
But The biggest change is the way I see myself.
It's a great fuel for action and when you start stacking Expiriences and proving it by action it changes your Character absolutely.

So the post was not about making money or some Guru mindset bs.
It's not a magic pill, as I said it is a Tool.
It definetly contributed for me staring kickboxing and having amateur fights, starting a Business and making 11k a month at 23 years of age.
Having a lot of succes wirh women and improving my dating life.
It's character change, and that influences all the other areas in your life.
How you see yourself is everything.
I really like this trick I’ve been struggling with my mindset myself sometimes. When you hypnotize yourself, what do you tell yourself ? Do you say the things in your head ?
 
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A couple of things should be considered by all:
  • Every guru that comes to this forum claims they aren't a guru.

  • Relaxation is not hypnosis. It is not even required for hypnosis.

  • Affirmations and visualizations are not the same.

  • Mike Tyson working with a professional hypnotist with decades of experience is not the same as "self-hypnosis."

  • This was not a discussion from the start. It was one person making proclamations using vague language, name-dropping celebrities, claiming "science" without support, and throwing every red flag of every guru ever then back peddling when someone called it out.

  • Nobody was arguing until OP started name-calling and getting defensive despite his supposed emotional control and confidence gained from his affirmations and "self-hypnosis" which are actually just breathing exercises.

  • Maybe he's just 23 and doesn't know better. In my experience, 23-year-olds who read about hypnosis and brag about their "success" with women aren't stupid. They're just getting started in the con game and they haven't refined their messaging and approach yet.
Is OP a guru? Is he a con artist in the making? I have no idea. I only know that when it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck.

Here's a thinking question...

Most people who've built six-figure ecom businesses have a solid grasp on value creation. So why come to this forum and drop this shallow excuse for "value" when you're sitting on a gold mine? Something doesn't add up.
 

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Not trying to irritate anyone, just pointing out that all the successful people who have brought endless information to this forum are the ones bashing hypnotizing.
You either feel confident/ good and empowering,
Or feel paranoid/hypercompetative and being hardcore on yourself.

These two schools of thought do not go together.
However, when it comes specifically to social skills / charisma / personality, I think visualizing a specific personality and connection with others is helpful. Having a competitive mindset when trying to make friends and get girls can you make you come off very weird and needy.

There’s some magic in self identity though. Quit a 6 year porn addiction, a 2 year binge eating addiction, and a 3 year hardcore video game addiction. Each one I had struggled long before quitting trying all the different tactics, and one day I quit each of them overnight a few months ago.

Did it by simply acting as if I didn’t have the addiction. Took up skateboarding, because a hardcore gamer wouldn’t risk injury like that. Stopped counting calories strictly, because that’s what someone who binge eats would do. Stopped obsessing over nofap streaks, because that’s what porn addicts.

The problem with affirmations is that deep down you know you are not confident or strong or yadada. Ofc if it works for you more power to you, but highly recommend for people specifically trying to improve their personality to visualize themselves how they want to be in someone else’s perspective. Visualizing is a great way to help give a little shove to yourself to do the actions, but without the actions it means nothing.
 

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Not trying to irritate anyone, just pointing out that all the successful people who have brought endless information to this forum are the ones bashing hypnotizing.

However, when it comes specifically to social skills / charisma / personality, I think visualizing a specific personality and connection with others is helpful. Having a competitive mindset when trying to make friends and get girls can you make you come off very weird and needy.

There’s some magic in self identity though. Quit a 6 year porn addiction, a 2 year binge eating addiction, and a 3 year hardcore video game addiction. Each one I had struggled long before quitting trying all the different tactics, and one day I quit each of them overnight a few months ago.

Did it by simply acting as if I didn’t have the addiction. Took up skateboarding, because a hardcore gamer wouldn’t risk injury like that. Stopped counting calories strictly, because that’s what someone who binge eats would do. Stopped obsessing over nofap streaks, because that’s what porn addicts.

The problem with affirmations is that deep down you know you are not confident or strong or yadada. Ofc if it works for you more power to you, but highly recommend for people specifically trying to improve their personality to visualize themselves how they want to be in someone else’s perspective. Visualizing is a great way to help give a little shove to yourself to do the actions, but without the actions it means nothing.
The problem is as you said visualization without action gives you nothing.

So whatever thoughts process is only useful if it drives action.

People want actions these days.

It is a lot easier to go nuts like David Goggins, but maintain some logical basic sanity not to hurt yourself.

We are beyond the age of exploration. There is no need to search for those outdated stuff with little impacts where you have much powerful mental system that generates massive results immediately. Just go nuts like Goggins but don’t hurt yourself.

My point of view is if you have a software version 3.0 that is working good why bother to download other outdated software that could even come into conflict with the existing version?
 
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A couple of things should be considered by all:
  • Every guru that comes to this forum claims they aren't a guru.

  • Relaxation is not hypnosis. It is not even required for hypnosis.

  • Affirmations and visualizations are not the same.

  • Mike Tyson working with a professional hypnotist with decades of experience is not the same as "self-hypnosis."

  • This was not a discussion from the start. It was one person making proclamations using vague language, name-dropping celebrities, claiming "science" without support, and throwing every red flag of every guru ever then back peddling when someone called it out.

  • Nobody was arguing until OP started name-calling and getting defensive despite his supposed emotional control and confidence gained from his affirmations and "self-hypnosis" which are actually just breathing exercises.

  • Maybe he's just 23 and doesn't know better. In my experience, 23-year-olds who read about hypnosis and brag about their "success" with women aren't stupid. They're just getting started in the con game and they haven't refined their messaging and approach yet.
Is OP a guru? Is he a con artist in the making? I have no idea. I only know that when it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck.

Here's a thinking question...

Most people who've built six-figure ecom businesses have a solid grasp on value creation. So why come to this forum and drop this shallow excuse for "value" when you're sitting on a gold mine? Something doesn't add up.
Bruv you make Youtube videos for upwork
 

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Bruv you make Youtube videos for upwork
You mean ONE of the many other activities Lex is involved in? :happy:

I can’t say I’m friends with Lex (never spoke with him 1 on 1), but I’ve seen him for years on the forum and his breadth of interests and achievements is hard to rival. There are several people here who are more successful than Lex in one domain, but I don’t know any with such a vast domain expertise…

Lex is a copywriter
Lex was in the adult biz
Lex created and marketed several different products in different fields
Lex teaches people how to become freelancers
Lex is building an authority site
Lex is a trained psychologist
Lex produces music

And I could go on. Most people struggle to have even ONE of those achievements under their belt!
 

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You mean ONE of the many other activities Lex is involved in? :happy:

I can’t say I’m friends with Lex (never spoke with him 1 on 1), but I’ve seen him for years on the forum and his breadth of interests and achievements is hard to rival. There are several people here who are more successful than Lex in one domain, but I don’t know any with such a vast domain expertise…

Lex is a copywriter
Lex was in the adult biz
Lex created and marketed several different products in different fields
Lex teaches people how to become freelancers
Lex is building an authority site
Lex is a trained psychologist
Lex produces music

And I could go on. Most people struggle to have even ONE of those achievements under their belt!
Actually you know what I will take that back, it was a bit disrespectful. I don't really care what lex does and that's not the point, I'm sure he is a smart guy.

Thanks for all your guys opinions, I will think about what you said, and who knows maybe I am wrong.

Let's get back to the original topic, This thing helped me going though many hardship in my. Life not just financial, but In Atheltic achievments and struggles in life.

The self talk is the most Important thing about it,
For anyone who knows the book Can't hurt me, there is a Segment goggins calles the Cookie Jar, I'm sure there are short clips on youtube where he talks about it.

So man it worked for me that's the point, maybe it did'nt work for some of you guys.
I agree if you are going to do this and sit on your a$$ without taking action and getting after it, it's useless...

I never said it's a replacement for Action.
Great self talk can never hurt you, and If you say something to yourself over a lomg period of time it gets real and you will believe it, of course if you combine it wirh Action taking.

In the world of sports and competitoon this is very important.
If somebody can benefit from it cool, if someone thinks it's bs cool.

Im completely comfortable with thinking I am wrong and I am open to someone changing my perspective, and I don't see how anyone here is on the same page.

So Blackdragon, You're probably a Succesful guy who has his shit together, judging by the way you talk, but you should be maybe more open to things and beeing more humble to think that maybe you can be wrong.

It's a Diasscusion guys and we all should be open minded to think we can be wrong and there is no shame in that.

Lex sorry If I came of as attacking it was not my Intention, but your first few replies came of as a bit disrespectful.

But as the one guy said, maybe it's becouse I just joined this forum and havs no contribution that people automaticly assume you are a broke student who has no real life expirience and is jist circle mentaly masturbating with feel good positivity shit.
But no Im not, I ran a Succesful Business I am making good money, I have my shit in order and I'm not action faking with this.
 
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Actually you know what I will take that back, it was a bit disrespectful. I don't really care what lex does and that's not the point, I'm sure he is a smart guy.

Thanks for all your guys opinions, I will think about what you said, and who knows maybe I am wrong.

Let's get back to the original topic, This thing helped me going though many hardship in my. Life not just financial, but In Atheltic achievments and struggles in life.

The self talk is the most Important thing about it,
For anyone who knows the book Can't hurt me, there is a Segment goggins calles the Cookie Jar, I'm sure there are short clips on youtube where he talks about it.

So man it worked for me that's the point, maybe it did'nt work for some of you guys.
I agree if you are going to do this and sit on your a$$ without taking action and getting after it, it's useless...

I never said it's a replacement for Action.
Great self talk can never hurt you, and If you say something to yourself over a lomg period of time it gets real and you will believe it, of course if you combine it wirh Action taking.

In the world of sports and competitoon this is very important.
If somebody can benefit from it cool, if someone thinks it's bs cool.

Im completely comfortable with thinking I am wrong and I am open to someone changing my perspective, and I don't see how anyone here is on the same page.

So Blackdragon, You're probably a Succesful guy who has his shit together, judging by the way you talk, but you should be maybe more open to things and beeing more humble to think that maybe you can be wrong.

It's a Diasscusion guys and we all should be open minded to think we can be wrong and there is no shame in that.

Lex sorry If I came of as attacking it was not my Intention, but your first few replies came of as a bit disrespectful.

But as the one guy said, maybe it's becouse I just joined this forum and havs no contribution that people automaticly assume you are a broke student who has no real life expirience and is jist circle mentaly masturbating with feel good positivity shit.
But no Im not, I ran a Succesful Business I am making good money, I have my shit in order and I'm not action faking with this.
Sorry for the bad english, it's my 4 language..
 

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If you say so. Personally, I think self-hypnosis and affirmations are horse shit and the only thing that matters is the choices you make and whether or not you have the balls to act on them. Doesn't matter who you trick yourself into believing you are.
It is not BS.
If you use it right its just a tool. you can say to you every day that you are a looser and no one will ever love you, that is called a self fullfiling prophecy. Psychology has shown that these techniques are effective because it shapes the way we see the world. If you remember that is also something mj has talked in the book i think the chapter is called your vehicle on the fastlane. OFC only doing this will not change life but it will make the decision to act more likely because everyone has this inner voice called ego and if you feed your mind with the right stuff your mind will use the ego as a friend and not a enemy which will then give you the feeling that anything is possible, which is essencial in everyones journey- the trust in yourself and that things will work out in your favour.
 
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It is not BS.
If you use it right its just a tool. you can say to you every day that you are a looser and no one will ever love you, that is called a self fullfiling prophecy. Psychology has shown that these techniques are effective because it shapes the way we see the world. If you remember that is also something mj has talked in the book i think the chapter is called your vehicle on the fastlane. OFC only doing this will not change life but it will make the decision to act more likely because everyone has this inner voice called ego and if you feed your mind with the right stuff your mind will use the ego as a friend and not a enemy which will then give you the feeling that anything is possible, which is essencial in everyones journey- the trust in yourself and that things will work out in your favour.

Clearly, you can trick yourself into believing you are something you are not. Whether or not this is self-hypnosis is in question. If tricking yourself helps you get the results you want, then by all means, do it.

Feeling that anything is possible is not necessary for everyone's journey. You don't have to believe you can start a car to do it. You just put the key in the ignition and turn it.

Mindset plays a role in success. Choices and actions play a bigger and more important role that people avoid by dabbling in self-help stuff.

What good is it to be "more likely" to take action when you can just take the action. Be someone who takes action whether you are confident or not. That's a choice and you don't have to build yourself up to it. You just do it.

When you make choices and take action, you gain confidence and skill as a natural byproduct. This is the foundation of a truly strong mind. No mental tricks necessary and it produces results every time.
 

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Feeling that anything is possible is not necessary for everyone's journey. You don't have to believe you can start a car to do it. You just put the key in the ignition and turn it.

Mindset plays a role in success. Choices and actions play a bigger and more important role that people avoid by dabbling in self-help stuff.
I can only say you are right it is true action wil allways be better then non-action.
The point is this: If you know the story of mike tyson, then you know that he is indeed a very unstable, the fact that a mentor (cus) can make a person like mike who is naturaly ustable sutch e beast and the most scary mindset ever to be a boxer.
It only was possible because his mind was daily feed with philosophy, psychology, hypnothesis and association shows how powerfull these tools can be. just see what happend after cus died and no one else was there to feed his mind with the right things.
If you do not believe you can make it you will never start because who challenges himself to something that is not possible ( in his opinion).

another great example was this one guy who runned a mile under 4 minutes hes name was Roger Bannister.
Befor he did it, anyone agreed that its not possible to do it.

Since he did even highschoolers did that. I hope you get my point.
 

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@Miha99 here's an interesting video about Goggins...

Watch from 1:06:00 until 1:13:40

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQhKFMxmDY


Listen to what Dr. Andrew Huberman says... "He [David Goggins] uses BEHAVIOR as the way to shift sensation, perception, feeling and thoughts [...] When most people don't like what they feel they start negotiating sensation, they start trying to control their perception, feelings, Lord knows what those are and how to control them, thoughts are complicated, so he just goes immediately to ACTION [...] This is the Holy Grail of neuroscience, how can I modify my brain?, you do it by placing yourself in discomfort and using that to move you to ACTION [...] Starting with behavior [...] the way to control our nervous system is to change our behavior first, but usually people start the other way around with thoughts, emotions, etc. and it doesn't work so well"

I'm paraphrasing cause obviously it takes time to put it down word for word, but that's the gist.

Most of the emphasis on the mind and your thoughts comes from the cognitive revolution in the 70s - I think that's still holding us back. Thoughts simply don't have the power that people often attribute to them when it comes to shifting action. A direct focus on the actions you need to take is always faster.

I am open minded, I've read the two books you mentioned (Psychocybernetics, and Awaken the Giant Within) and many many others about psychology, hypnosis and the human mind. I am an NLP practitioner as well, which is basically covert hypnosis. It's not that I don't know what I'm talking about, it's actual experience trying those things and attempting to figure out if they work or not - that's where my insights are coming from.

If the "cognitive" method (which includes, to a certain extent, hypnosis) was as powerful as practitioners say it is, then why is it that only 40% of patients suffering from depression who undertake CBT improve by the end of it, and we know that around 25% would have improved naturally without any treatment whatsoever?

And the stats are similar for other general conditions such as anxiety, and a lot worse for more serious conditions such as OCD (of which I have suffered and I'm intimately familiar with).
 
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@Miha99 here's an interesting video about Goggins...

Watch from 1:06:00 until 1:13:40

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQhKFMxmDY


Listen to what Dr. Andrew Huberman says... "He [David Goggins] uses BEHAVIOR as the way to shift sensation, perception, feeling and thoughts [...] When most people don't like what they feel they start negotiating sensation, they start trying to control their perception, feelings, Lord knows what those are and how to control them, thoughts are complicated, so he just goes immediately to ACTION [...] This is the Holy Grail of neuroscience, how can I modify my brain?, you do it by placing yourself in discomfort and using that to move you to ACTION [...] Starting with behavior [...] the way to control our nervous system is to change our behavior first, but usually people start the other way around with thoughts, emotions, etc. and it doesn't work so well"

I'm paraphrasing cause obviously it takes time to put it down word for word, but that's the gist.

Most of the emphasis on the mind and your thoughts comes from the cognitive revolution in the 70s - I think that's still holding us back. Thoughts simply don't have the power that people often attribute to them when it comes to shifting action. A direct focus on the actions you need to take is always faster.

I am open minded, I've read the two books you mentioned (Psychocybernetics, and Awaken the Giant Within) and many many others about psychology, hypnosis and the human mind. I am an NLP practitioner as well, which is basically covert hypnosis. It's not that I don't know what I'm talking about, it's actual experience trying those things and attempting to figure out if they work or not - that's where my insights are coming from.

If the "cognitive" method (which includes, to a certain extent, hypnosis) was as powerful as practitioners say it is, then why is it that only 40% of patients suffering from depression who undertake CBT improve by the end of it, and we know that around 25% would have improved naturally without any treatment whatsoever?

And the stats are similar for other general conditions such as anxiety, and a lot worse for more serious conditions such as OCD (of which I have suffered and I'm intimately familiar with).
I know that Interview but the topic in the video they are talking about is Fear, and fear managment, and I know all about that I have a carear of Picking uo chicks and beeing involved in that community I know you are goinf to be affraid regardless of what you think but you still do it.
But the topic we are discussing is not about fear.


About the Depression, If you would not believe in Depression you would not have it, so again that is also a belief they have. And also Andrew Tate talked about Depression in detail and that it just exists mostly in the west.
am from the balkans we have no such thing here and people are not doing to therapy, Im not a fan of modern therapists.

If you don't belive self talk is powerful than go to the mirror every morning and tell yourself you are a worthless piece of shit and you are a failure and a loser for a year. :D
 

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I know that Interview but the topic in the video they are talking about is Fear, and fear managment, and I know all about that I have a carear of Picking uo chicks and beeing involved in that community I know you are goinf to be affraid regardless of what you think but you still do it.
But the topic we are discussing is not about fear.


About the Depression, If you would not believe in Depression you would not have it, so again that is also a belief they have. And also Andrew Tate talked about Depression in detail and that it just exists mostly in the west.
am from the balkans we have no such thing here and people are not doing to therapy, Im not a fan of modern therapists.

If you don't belive self talk is powerful than go to the mirror every morning and tell yourself you are a worthless piece of shit and you are a failure and a loser for a year. :D
And you're always coming back to Action taking, we all know that here that Action is te most Important thing man, that's not a secret.

But why can't you take Action and do something as simple as this for your mentality at the same time? How can this hurt you?
Can you give me one example how believing you are the man can hurt you in life?
 

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Why do equally fit people finish ultra Marathons and become navy seals why most of the people fail? They are all equally as fit and capable of doing it. They all take Action.

It's the dialog in their heads that makes all the difference.
 
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About the Depression, If you would not believe in Depression you would not have it, so again that is also a belief they have. And also Andrew Tate talked about Depression in detail and that it just exists mostly in the west.
am from the balkans we have no such thing here and people are not doing to therapy, Im not a fan of modern therapists.
Listen to what Andrew Tate actually has to say about depression:

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dYSnyV5KRNo


" 'I'm depressed and I can't go to the gym' - NO, I disagree, you're depressed BECAUSE you don't go to the gym"

Andrew has the causality right. It's not that you're broke, don't have a girlfriend, fat, ugly, BECAUSE you're depressed. No, you're depressed BECAUSE you're broke, don't have a girlfriend, big fat ugly belly and so on.

And I agree 100% with him on that. You can't be a fat, broke, ugly loser who can't tie your shoes and be truly happy. Regardless of how much you play around with your thoughts or hypnotize yourself.

To see your depression lift, first you have to start taking action and changing the conditions that make you depressed. This is the exact opposite of what you're told by most therapists and society at large.

So it's precisely the fact that you're worried about your thoughts and feelings, ie "I'm depressed" that stops you from doing the things that would cure your depression (going to the gym). "Why don't you go to the gym? Because I'm depressed!"

So what's the most effective way to get out of that? You're saying you should change your thoughts first, stop telling yourself that you're depressed. I'm saying forget about your thoughts, and just focus on the actions. Let your mind tell you whatever, that "you're depressed" bla bla, but go to the gym. You'll change your thoughts, but the negative thoughts and depression will keep coming back until your environment changes anyways.

If you don't belive self talk is powerful than go to the mirror every morning and tell yourself you are a worthless piece of shit and you are a failure and a loser for a year. :D
Haha, I would, except that I see that as an equal waste of time as the opposite. I'd rather not say anything in the mirror. That's something I have to remember to do every morning, I'd rather that my focus is on the actions that will move me ahead when I wake up, not on doing some ritual.

Some of my thoughts are negative. Some of my thoughts are positive. Both don't mean much, they're just mental reactions to my environment and situations I find myself in. I get my drive from both negative and positive thoughts. I don't need positive thoughts to go to the gym. I can use even negative ones as fuel. Thinking that I'm a loser is a BIG MOTIVATION to stop being a loser. I wouldn't want to stop my brain from telling me I'm a loser when I really am one. That message is helpful. So F*ck the hypnosis - I want to be told I'm a loser so I can have the drive to change that!

My issue here is mainly that almost ALL the guys you're citing function in the exact opposite way from what you claim. David Goggins is a behavior first guy. Tate is a behavior first guy. Mike Tyson was an extremely negative guy when he was young. Would lose his temper in an instant, and was often angry, raging, upset and sad. In fact, Mike was shitting his pants before a fight! All these people have MASTERED their negative emotions... NOT eradicated them. But channeled them into being more productive and successful. They haven't hypnotised themselves not to feel angry, sad, afraid, depressed, or whatever. Rather they USE whatever feelings they experience to their advantage, including negative ones.
 
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I wouldn't want to stop my brain from telling me I'm a loser when I really am one. That message is helpful. So F*ck the hypnosis - I want to be told I'm a loser so I can have the drive to change that!
Great one, agree, but It's not what people tell you it's what you tell yourself.

Man I agree on all you say, but you keep aee not listening what I am telling here.

I AM ACTION TAKING A LOT. I DO ALL THE THINGS.
I GO TO THE GYM, I WORK. ON THE BUSINESS I MAKE THE CALLS, I TRAIN TO FIGHT ECT.

You ade just focusing on people who do'nt do anything and just focus on talking and you're labeling me as one of them.

You can do both godamn it! That's the point.
Haha, I would, except that I see that as an equal waste of time as the opposite.
You know what else is wasting time? Chatting with a dude on this forum, you should stop chatting with me and get back to work lol hahah, just joking, but you get my point.
 

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If we are going tk quote tate, then we should stay on topic you are talking about Depression that has nothing to do with what I was saying, here you have Tate talking about what I was saying
View: https://youtu.be/cIIK07vgnJ4

View: https://youtu.be/nhPFDZNnJg8

So Just if somebody like him believes in hypnosis and fhe power of it, that's enough for me.

Thanks for your input anyways man.
Theres no point arguing about it anymore.
 
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If we are going tk quote tate, then we should stay on topic you are talking about Depression that has nothing to do with what I was saying, here you have Tate talking about what I was saying
View: https://youtu.be/cIIK07vgnJ4

View: https://youtu.be/nhPFDZNnJg8

So Just if somebody like him believes in hypnosis and fhe power of it, that's enough for me.

Thanks for your input anyways man.
Theres no point arguing about it anymore.

This thread is a discussion (your words) until the points you're making get challenged, then it's an argument not worth engaging in, yet you keep responding.

I don't take issue with working on mindset. Clearly you see action as important. My issue is with the inconsistencies and easiy falsifiable claims that come from taking shortcuts.

That's not an attack on you. It's just an observation about behaviors that are out of alignment with the points made in the original posts.

Belief is enough for you. It's not enough for rational minds. Note that you said belief in *him* is enough. It's not even trusting the science. It's just taking the word of a con artist at face value, and since there's a good chance you're part of Hustle University, I'm willing to say that the con worked. Andrew Tate and/or other gurus have been enjoying your cash while selling you shortcuts.

This is the trap I try to help people see through. I come across as an a**hole because it's one of the fastest ways to draw out the truth.
 

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This thread is a discussion (your words) until the points you're making get challenged, then it's an argument not worth engaging in, yet you keep responding.

I don't take issue with working on mindset. Clearly you see action as important. My issue is with the inconsistencies and easiy falsifiable claims that come from taking shortcuts.

That's not an attack on you. It's just an observation about behaviors that are out of alignment with the points made in the original posts.

Belief is enough for you. It's not enough for rational minds. Note that you said belief in *him* is enough. It's not even trusting the science. It's just taking the word of a con artist at face value, and since there's a good chance you're part of Hustle University, I'm willing to say that the con worked. Andrew Tate and/or other gurus have been enjoying your cash while selling you shortcuts.

This is the trap I try to help people see through. I come across as an a**hole because it's one of the fastest ways to draw out the truth.
See you have false assumptions, I am not part of Hustlers University, and I know andrew is scamming people who pay him for it.
He can be a con artist in that regard, but he is a World champion kickboxer and a overall hypersucessful individual.
So your freind who you are protecting also quofed Andrew Tate on a point, did he also fell for a con artist.
Come on man seriously haha, I would rather think like Tate than someone who sounds who to me sounds like an individual with no competative spirit or mental edge.
I could almost guarantee by the thinking of you two that I would beat you in any kind of phyisical competition.
Becouse there are people who work as hard as you and work on their mentality as well.
Thats what separetes elites from good.

But who cares man, I don't want to adopt a thinking that clearly would not help me.
I mean seriously I know one thing, If you guys were even half as succesful as Andrew you would not hang out on a forum.
I barely find timd for this, now I do becouse im on vacation and wanted to give it a go.
But I think no real G with money and time hangs around here.
 

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See you have false assumptions, I am not part of Hustlers University, and I know andrew is scamming people who pay him for it.
He can be a con artist in that regard, but he is a World champion kickboxer and a overall hypersucessful individual.
So your freind who you are protecting also quofed Andrew Tate on a point, did he also fell for a con artist.
Come on man seriously haha, I would rather think like Tate than someone who sounds who to me sounds like an individual with no competative spirit or mental edge.
I could almost guarantee by the thinking of you two that I would beat you in any kind of phyisical competition.
Becouse there are people who work as hard as you and work on their mentality as well.
Thats what separetes elites from good.

But who cares man, I don't want to adopt a thinking that clearly would not help me.
I mean seriously I know one thing, If you guys were even half as succesful as Andrew you would not hang out on a forum.
I barely find timd for this, now I do becouse im on vacation and wanted to give it a go.
But I think no real G with money and time hangs around here.
Well, you know best, don't you...

The reality of who you are, how you think, and where this thread was originally headed before someone challenged you is now available for everyone to see.
 
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Great one, agree, but It's not what people tell you it's what you tell yourself.
OK, so why should you NOT tell yourself that you're a loser if that's the reality? Why should your self-talk be like "I'm the greatest chad of all time, and I bang chicks left and right, driving in my ferrari, fit as F*ck and wearing my guccis" when the reality is that you're a fat slob who watches Netflix the whole day and pushes burgers at McDonald's?

I don't disagree with your other points - you can definitely do both.
 

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My first ever post on the forum was something along these same lines...


What I learned later was - it does't really count for anything.

And it is very easy to get off track with this and waste a lot of time.

What really matters is getting started, working your a$$ off on building some skills, and putting them to use where you can solve someones problems and start to get paid.

But... maybe you feel you need this to get going.
There is a lot of negative programming out there and it can be good to mentally wash some of that away.

Just keep in mind (as this thread has let you know) that a lifetime of this type of stuff won't make you a single dollar.
It is only when you actually do something with it where any results come into play.

So do like a few minutes a day if you need to and then the other 99% of your time is getting things done.
 
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I think no real G with money and time hangs around here.
The original post wasn't that bad, but the next 2 pages of vehement insults and grade school level drama really drove the final nail in the coffin.

The world would be a very boring place if we all had the same opinion.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with each other on certain topics, but there is a big difference between an intellectual debate and a shit show filled with insults and personal attacks. This just shows poor insight and immaturity.



On the topic of mindset and identity:

From my own personal experience, our identity - the way in which we see ourselves is the main driver of 99% of our behavior. You can act consciously and use your free will to act and do things that are outside your self imposed mental boundaries (identity), but as soon as you "fall asleep" and turn on the autopilot, you will start behaving according to your identity - which means you will default to the most dominant habits and patterns of thinking that you've built over time.

Everything that you think, feel, and do gets recorded into your system and slowly builds up into your identity - who you think you are. But this accumulation happened over the course of decades.

Trying to change your identity through positive thinking and affirmations is a preposterous idea. It's like trying to break a concrete wall using a plastic fork. What you do in a day (99%) will always overpower your morning affirmations (1%) - the bulk of our thoughts, emotions and actions will always win.

Which means that the most effective way to change your life is through repeated positive action.
Do the things that you want to do. Practice being the person that you want to be.

And always remind yourself that you are the source of your life and the creator of your own destiny. What you choose to do today will determine your future.
 

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I agree, confidence comes from actually DOING not thinking about doing things.
Agree here also. I just didn't get the part about hypnotizing yourself to be confident and abundant at the early stage.

The more you feel confident and abundant it kills off whatever hunger that is remaining in the person.

The only exception with affirming and self-hypnosis, which I can see to be extremely beneficial, is to hypnotize yourself to be a high pain threshold action monster. It is what the extreme bodybuilders do (minus the self-inflicting damages that you shouldn't follow).

A bodybuilder will keep repeating to themselves that "I love to eat chicken breast, salad, drink plain water and it tastes delicious".

You can easily copy and transform it into whatever task you hate to complete and do them.
 

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