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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1169922" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1169922" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1169922">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Marketing is going great.<br /> <br /> Sales is where I&#039;m losing them. People here want to pay biweekly prices, but for weekly service, and don&#039;t want 12-month contracts.<br /> <br /> That is not an assumption. That is what my market has been telling me. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Or maybe your sales script just sucks. Record your 6 sales calls tomorrow and post them here. We&#039;ll tell you exactly why you&#039;re not getting sales so you can fix it</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">I don&#039;t know if you are waiting for someone to give you permission, but you can just sell the mower<br /> <br /> You can sell the truck too if you want, like you said you could use a push mower, I mean you could even just borrow your parents mower, and hire a truck 1 day a week till you get too busy<br /> <br /> It seems to be putting a lot of pressure on you and you aren&#039;t functioning or thinking properly because of it<br /> <br /> If you did this, dropped all external influences and ideas, sold some people and mowed some lawns, actually kept that money as profit, figured things out and bought and upgraded things as you needed them, rolled the profit into more ads, then I think this would be a lot more fun</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Mowing lawns might not be a best fit for you but it is a decent idea generally for many people because there is a large and proven market. And the need is recurring in nature.<br /> <br /> It’s back to need. Whatever skill issue, shortage of customers, and lack of knowledge will be solved with time and patience in the industry.<br /> <br /> What you really cannot change is people’s willingness to pay for a specific type of services.<br /> <br /> Generally when we assess if a business is a good business we are looking at the long term unchanging factors that matter a lot.<br /> <br /> Your looks, dating skills and communication skills are definitely an asset. But I think you have not accurately nailed a paying segment that has a burning need and is willing to pay for it.<br /> <br /> You also said that you did some polls online and the people there never spent any money other than buying books for any self-improvement.<br /> <br /> You don’t have to agree with me and I am not necessarily right though I see the following two trends in the markets.<br /> <br /> Instagram is growing and remains to be a very strong personal brand for dating and social life. It’s like LinkedIn for dating and social flexes. It’s so strong that it’s starting to eat the traditional market for dating apps. I am actually very puzzled why those smma business are stuck with a “B to B” mindset, where most businesses do NOT rely on social media as their main sources of customer acquisition or retention.<br /> <br /> More and more attractive women are using pay to date platforms to act as a strong filter for unqualified time-wasting candidates. I do expect this segment to grow. But the higher tier you go, more it becomes of a men’s market rather than a women’s market. These women very often have to do their own active marketing. Instead of helping young men you could be helping young women. They have a short time horizon of their lifespan when they are their peak in physical attractiveness and they have already invested a lot of money into making themselves look good. If your advice is worthy, it’s highly unlikely that they aren’t sparing a few hundred bucks.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1169922" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1169922" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1169922">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Look, I don&#039;t blame Johnny for my failures, but I do blame him for dropping me. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Early on, when I was trying to scale my first business, I got scammed out of $5,000 (all I had in the bank).<br /> <br /> I let myself stew with anger for a week or so. <br /> <br /> Then I moved on. I didn’t blame the scammer for scamming, I blamed myself for being a too-trusting and gullible idiot. (My lesson learned: If it’s too good to be true… it is).<br /> <br /> And I never got scammed again.<br /> <br /> <br /> Not that I’m at all suggesting you got scammed here. You got far more than $1000 in value before getting dropped.<br /> <br /> <br /> Take ownership of your choices and their outcomes.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1169956" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1169956" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1169956">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Early on, when I was trying to scale my first business, I got scammed out of $5,000 (all I had in the bank).<br /> <br /> I let myself stew with anger for a week or so.<br /> <br /> Then I moved on. I didn’t blame the scammer for scamming, I blamed myself for being a too-trusting and gullible idiot. (My lesson learned: If it’s too good to be true… it is).<br /> <br /> And I never got scammed again.<br /> <br /> <br /> Not that I’m at all suggesting you got scammed here. You got far more than $1000 in value before getting dropped.<br /> <br /> <br /> Take ownership of your choices and their outcomes. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> At one point I had a store on Etsy selling vaginal steaming herb and some related products - one of them being Yoni eggs. No judging here.<br /> <br /> I bought one of those software giving sales data estimate for Etsy. Data was positive. I have a friend who uses those things who hyped me up and we got in a partnership. Win. Win.<br /> <br /> I put the first product on Etsy. Sold very quickly. Another win. Had great margins. Yet another win.<br /> <br /> It was a niche product with people who are passionate and with little competition that had crap marketing for the most part. It was easy to do better.<br /> <br /> Everything went well until I listened to a so called expert in the market. She had a great company who was doing well in the same field and satellite businesses thriving too.<br /> <br /> I still have few Yoni eggs from my last batch. A reminder of the stupid decision I made to listen blindly to someone and taking a huge risk.<br /> <br /> Ended up running the store for few months and eventually exited the business.<br /> <br /> Today I still laugh at it. Even more so because I didn&#039;t have a corporation. So if someone got injured and sued me, it would have ruined me personally.<br /> <br /> You can bet, I would never do such a mistake again.<br /> <br /> I didn&#039;t really have help like OP here. Yet, I had access to info that I refused to see. And I blamed such and such. It took me time to own up to it and see what was in front of me that I didn&#039;t want to, because it wasn&#039;t fitting my self narrative.<br /> <br /> In retrospect, it would have saved me so much time and money.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">power business tip ...... focus on sales first. right product, right method, right customer avatar.<br /> <br /> It&#039;s all spelled out clearly in Ready, Fire, Aim. Just do that. Don&#039;t overthink it.<br /> <br /> Offer, sell, pivot, offer, sell, pivot. Get reps fast. Fail fast. Update fast.<br /> The customer will tell you what they want. Get 25 customers asap.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1747876859574-webp.66352/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/60/60121-f7a8b8079a4fd6cb7c0f373a4b0379ba.jpg?hash=_2WTpCIym-" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1747876859574.webp" title="1747876859574.webp" width="200" height="300" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> Keep your head up.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I originally recorded my calls today, as per <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/110221/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="110221" data-username="@savefox">@savefox</a> &#039;s recommendation.<br /> <br /> Out of 8 calls, I had 2 that never answered, 3 no&#039;s (all due to price), and 3 maybe&#039;s (2 for just a spray plan, 1 for a low-tier maintenance plan).<br /> <br /> But that doesn&#039;t really matter, because I&#039;ve decided that I&#039;m going to stop throwing money at this, and instead pivot to building a brand around dating/seduction coaching for frustrated men.<br /> <br /> I have a friend at my gym who works for his father&#039;s landscaping company. Originally, I was going to see if I could refer leads to him that asked for projects I couldn&#039;t accommodate, but now, I&#039;ll see if he wants to service my 3 customers so they&#039;re still being helped. If not, I&#039;ll probably put them up on Facebook Marketplace for free or something.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll see what that cost is to fix my truck, as well as potentially sell that, along with the equipment I purchased, excluding the push mower and maybe the ECHO string trimmer with its attachments. This will help me recoup some of my loss, so I&#039;m not paycheck-to-paycheck maintaining all this stuff and scrounging for leads.<br /> <br /> I spent a lot of time on Gemini and ChatGPT asking it questions about comparing the 2 business models (dating coach personal brand vs lawn care business), and I just didn&#039;t really like any of the positives aside from the revenue ceiling. I don&#039;t like having to rely on so many factors outside of my control to do work that anchors me somewhere I don&#039;t want to be, where scaling is linear rather than exponential, with margins typically below 30%, selling a commoditized product in a very competitive environment to cheap customers...there&#039;s just too much I don&#039;t like about it to enjoy the process on the way to the goal.<br /> <br /> I made the mistake of investing in somebody else&#039;s idea again, because this time I believed that I could follow the instructions of somebody who had achieved my desired result.<br /> <br /> So, this time, instead of executing on somebody else&#039;s idea (again), I&#039;m going to execute on my own.<br /> <br /> I appreciate all of the advice you guys took the time to write up for me here. Time is your most valuable resource, and I appreciate you giving it to me.<br /> <br /> I especially want to thank <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/3909/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="3909" data-username="@IceCreamKid">@IceCreamKid</a> for the paradigms you listed, and <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/72777/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="72777" data-username="@BizyDad">@BizyDad</a> for the statement that resonated with most of all the advice I was provided, about wanting to follow a blueprint so I had somebody else to blame when it didn&#039;t work for me.<br /> <br /> Before bed tonight, I&#039;ll probably take a few minutes to update my old progress thread with this new plan. I think it&#039;d be funny to eventually paste all my threads of idiocy into that progress thread once I&#039;ve reached my goal to show how ugly and convoluted the path to success can be.<br /> <br /> Until then, maybe a rename of this thread would be more accurate, &quot;How to Scale a Lawn Care Business if You Suck at Lawn Care&quot; or something.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">How are you going to get customers for your coaching business? If you want to do that, I would find a few people who will let you coach them for free just to get their feedback so you can tweak your offer and get some experience. Then create a YouTube channel and post helpful content daily, and put a link to your paid community where you will post advanced tips, do 1 on 1 coaching and so on. If you&#039;re serious about it, you will have everything set up within a week. No more action faking dude</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 110221" data-quote="savefox" data-source="post: 1170042" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170042" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170042">savefox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How are you going to get customers for your coaching business? If you want to do that, I would find a few people who will let you coach them for free just to get their feedback so you can tweak your offer and get some experience. Then create a YouTube channel and post helpful content daily, and put a link to your paid community where you will post advanced tips, do 1 on 1 coaching and so on. If you&#039;re serious about it, you will have everything set up within a week. No more action faking dude </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I made a quick update to my original progress thread basically answering that question there, but just to paraphrase and address some of the stuff you said here...<br /> <br /> ChatGPT and Gemini suggested I look for discussion boards, forums, or subreddits where the audience exists that is in pain and wants to improve this area of their lives, and soft-sell them on my coaching. I&#039;ll probably post that somewhere here as a self-promo as well. I imagine any interest would be via DMs, due to the sensitive nature of the problem they&#039;d have to need my help.<br /> <br /> My initial offer would be $100/mo for 1-hour weekly Zoom (I need to see them, because looks are certainly a limiting factor) calls where we discuss their goals, limitations, and actions that they will take prior to the next call, along with having my phone number to ask questions as needed (may later rescind that).<br /> <br /> I thought about doing it for free, but this way I&#039;m basically making the same wage as my job, so there&#039;s some income, and the person paying is invested and wants to extract value. I tried to help somebody for free on here with personal training when that was a fledgling idea - they never got started because they were lax with getting me the information I needed to create their plan. The same thing happened with JLE&#039;s free training client back in his thread. So I think they need to have some skin in the game to give a shit.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170046" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170046" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170046">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> My initial offer would be $100/mo for 1-hour weekly Zoom (I need to see them, because looks are certainly a limiting factor) calls where we discuss their goals, limitations, and actions that they will take prior to the next call, along with having my phone number to ask questions as needed (may later rescind that). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You can start with $100, but you should be charging at least $800-1000 a month for that if you want to scale. Just think how to provide as much value as you can for that price. Create a lead magnet. Like a small e-book or a free 30 minute call</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 110221" data-quote="savefox" data-source="post: 1170047" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170047" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170047">savefox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You can start with $100, but you should be charging at least $800-1000 a month for that if you want to scale. Just think how to provide as much value as you can for that price. Create a lead magnet. Like a small e-book or a free 30 minute call </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Oh, I agree completely. I just want to make it easy to say yes early on while I tweak the process so I get better at creating a system to get them results.<br /> <br /> When that starts working I&#039;ll put out free content (probably reactionary Instagram reels and TikTok stitches to trending dating advice), a free lead magnet (dating profile guide, text guide, introduction to the gym), small-ticket items (courses), higher-ticket items (group coaching), and high-ticket items (1-1 and/or in-person coaching).<br /> <br /> I just don&#039;t want to put the cart before the horse this time.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170041" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170041" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170041">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I spent a lot of time on Gemini and ChatGPT asking it questions about comparing the 2 business models (dating coach personal brand vs lawn care business), and I just didn&#039;t really like any of the positives aside from the revenue ceiling. I don&#039;t like having to rely on so many factors outside of my control to do work that anchors me somewhere I don&#039;t want to be, where scaling is linear rather than exponential, with margins typically below 30%, selling a commoditized product in a very competitive environment to cheap customers </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Be careful about taking Gemini and ChatGPT&#039;s advice as 100% fact. It would probably say the same negative things about carpet cleaning: commoditized, thin margins, cheap customers. There are multiple carpet cleaning success stories here that sprouted from my thread that I made a decade ago.<br /> <br /> I think this is why so many people in this thread were pouncing on you for giving up too fast. You have to dig deep to find the truth. 95% of people would dismiss carpet cleaning, but the 5% who dig deep would figure out how to turn it into gold.<br /> <br /> Premium customers + premium service = premium money<br /> <br /> It all depends on how you want to position yourself. Do you want to be the low priced leader like WalMart or the luxury leader like Whole Foods?<br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1747898870130-webp.66361/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/60/60126-264cd52626392f72e8a438d0fbeefaae.jpg?hash=SNgCti4AGC" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1747898870130.webp" title="1747898870130.webp" width="200" height="237" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1747898907403-webp.66362/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/60/60127-17dcdfdaa78806b8eacfe5340071e3eb.jpg?hash=aHDUuoC5Im" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1747898907403.webp" title="1747898907403.webp" width="216" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Adversity builds character. The journey is the most enjoyable part of it all - in hindsight.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170046" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170046" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170046">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> My initial offer would be $100/mo for 1-hour weekly Zoom </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If this is something you are good at, and that people value, then charge a lot more than $25/hour.<br /> <br /> <br /> $25 per call barely qualifies as skin in the game.<br /> <br /> <br /> There are people who wouldn’t consider paying this low of a price because it seems too cheap. Those people would happily pay $250/hr because they want the best advice. Not the budget-tier advice. <br /> <br /> <br /> It takes the same amount of work to get a client at each price level.<br /> <br /> <br /> This assumes that you have something uniquely valuable to offer though.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1170070" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170070" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170070">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If this is something you are good at, and that people value, then charge a lot more than $25/hour.<br /> <br /> <br /> $25 per call barely qualifies as skin in the game.<br /> <br /> <br /> There are people who wouldn’t consider paying this low of a price because it seems too cheap. Those people would happily pay $250/hr because they want the best advice. Not the budget-tier advice.<br /> <br /> <br /> It takes the same amount of work to get a client at each price level.<br /> <br /> <br /> This assumes that you have something uniquely valuable to offer though. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Well my initial thought is that I want to make sure the people I&#039;d be selling this to (young men) are in enough pain to pay a total stranger for advice on a very intimate aspect of their lives, with my only really credibility being &quot;trust me bro&quot;.<br /> <br /> My assumption is that I&#039;d want to make it easy for people to say yes, then gradually raise prices and filter out cheaper clients as I create better systems and learn how to best present this service. Because I do think there will be a difference between me being good at a skill vs. being good at teaching the skill.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll tag <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> because I&#039;d like to see his opinion on what medium to strike between helping people, and charging a premium, at least initially to just get a few sales under my belt.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">So lawns from big houses that have to constantly be mowed and sites for companies that need constant maintenance are a no go.<br /> Because you tried 25 sales calls and didn&#039;t make $1M. And it is hot. And you have all the tools and processes, it just wasn&#039;t as easy as you thought it would be. And it wasn&#039;t your idea, it was from someone who had already made a lot of money doing it.<br /> <br /> So instead you will start from scratch and market to young bucks with no money and work for hourly rates in hopes that that is easier to do?<br /> <br /> If you are going to switch product / market, why not go for the top end divorcing business owner that has tons of money and no time and wants dating to be easier?? Charge a high monthly fee to help them lineup weekend fun. Sounds like you have no confidence / no skill and just want to say you are doing something / build in more excuses?<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/1/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="1" data-username="@MJ DeMarco">@MJ DeMarco</a> for the sake of the people coming behind that read this disaster of a thread, do you have the link to your site to rate the opportunity for fastlane potential? I&#039;m curious what Johnny&#039;s company contract lawn care would rate vs $25 / hr dating coaching......</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170072" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170072" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170072">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Well my initial thought is that I want to make sure the people I&#039;d be selling this to (young men) are in enough pain to pay a total stranger for advice on a very intimate aspect of their lives, with my only really credibility being &quot;trust me bro&quot;.<br /> <br /> My assumption is that I&#039;d want to make it easy for people to say yes, then gradually raise prices and filter out cheaper clients as I create better systems and learn how to best present this service. Because I do think there will be a difference between me being good at a skill vs. being good at teaching the skill.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll tag <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> because I&#039;d like to see his opinion on what medium to strike between helping people, and charging a premium, at least initially to just get a few sales under my belt. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Here is an idea. Charge $250/hr but guarantee result.<br /> <br /> If your advice doesn’t work, you refund the money.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170072" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170072" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170072">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Well my initial thought is that I want to make sure the people I&#039;d be selling this to (young men) are in enough pain to pay a total stranger for advice on a very intimate aspect of their lives, with my only really credibility being &quot;trust me bro&quot;.<br /> <br /> My assumption is that I&#039;d want to make it easy for people to say yes, then gradually raise prices and filter out cheaper clients as I create better systems and learn how to best present this service. Because I do think there will be a difference between me being good at a skill vs. being good at teaching the skill.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll tag <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> because I&#039;d like to see his opinion on what medium to strike between helping people, and charging a premium, at least initially to just get a few sales under my belt. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What&#039;s the point updating these threads when the updates are just what you &quot;plan&quot; to do, but don&#039;t actually do.<br /> <br /> If becoming a coach is the path, do it. Get results. Post those. You&#039;ll stop getting blowback.<br /> <br /> Personally, I think it&#039;s not happening. <br /> <br /> Reddit will chew you up and spit you out as soon as they smell the word &quot;coach&quot; and you&#039;ll quit again because that&#039;s what quitters do. <br /> <br /> Nobody on the forum is buying because there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll quit on them as quickly as you quit on your own ideas.<br /> <br /> You bought coaching because you <b><u>believed</u></b> it would help you. People have to <b><u>believe</u> </b>a solution will help before they&#039;ll buy.<br /> <br /> <i>&quot;Trust me bro&quot; isn&#039;t gonna cut it.</i><br /> <br /> My unsolicited advice is to stop future-pacing yourself into fantasy land. Only update this thread when you have a customer to support your fantasies.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170072" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170072" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170072">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Well my initial thought is that I want to make sure the people I&#039;d be selling this to (young men) are in enough pain to pay a total stranger for advice on a very intimate aspect of their lives, with my only really credibility being &quot;trust me bro&quot;.<br /> <br /> My assumption is that I&#039;d want to make it easy for people to say yes, then gradually raise prices and filter out cheaper clients as I create better systems and learn how to best present this service. Because I do think there will be a difference between me being good at a skill vs. being good at teaching the skill.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll tag <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/23590/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="23590" data-username="@Andy Black">@Andy Black</a> because I&#039;d like to see his opinion on what medium to strike between helping people, and charging a premium, at least initially to just get a few sales under my belt. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It makes sense to go low at the start to accumulate experience.<br /> <br /> If they do not want to take action on your advice it’s their loss.<br /> <br /> You are using this to accumulate experience and sharpening your teaching skill and market awareness in this space.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 64612" data-quote="Kevin88660" data-source="post: 1170088" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170088" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170088">Kevin88660 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You are using this to accumulate experience and sharpening your teaching skill and market awareness in this space. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Gaining experience at selling and coaching a $25/hr customer. But what sells a $25/hr customer is not going to sell a $250/hr customer.<br /> <br /> <br /> Some of the coaching experience will crossover though.<br /> <br /> <br /> Better to do $250/hr offer, and do a n early bird discount, limited to first 5 signups for a big discount, in exchange for guinea pigging the program and leaving video testimonials.<br /> <br /> The money back guarantee one is a good idea also.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Do the Model S before doing the Model 3!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4470" data-quote="ZCP" data-source="post: 1170074" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170074" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170074">ZCP said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So instead you will start from scratch and market to young bucks with no money and work for hourly rates in hopes that that is easier to do?<br /> <br /> If you are going to switch product / market, why not go for the top end divorcing business owner that has tons of money and no time and wants dating to be easier?? Charge a high monthly fee to help them lineup weekend fun. Sounds like you have no confidence / no skill and just want to say you are doing something / build in more excuses? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I don&#039;t expect it to be easier, but I expect to enjoy the process more.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ll be helping a group of people I care about (because I was once among them), I&#039;ll be doing it mostly online without the significant overheard, and I&#039;ll be able to build things once that will continue to sell for me (courses, for example).<br /> <br /> I&#039;m already marketing to people with no money, that&#039;s the reason at least 50% of my leads give me for why they can&#039;t move forward: &quot;Oh I just wanted to see what your rates were, we have a guy who does it for $30 a cut and he comes weekly so we&#039;ll probably just stick with that.&quot; At least with this I won&#039;t be commoditized. Who are they going to compare me to? Some may argue that the barrier to entry is lower with this because all I need is a computer - I&#039;d argue the barrier to entry to grass cutting is lower because all you need is a mower (I just got a lot of extra shit I barely used along with it). Johnny used to chastise me when I was having problems by saying that &quot;absolute idiots are making money with this&quot; - yeah, they&#039;re the ones I keep competing with. Like <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/22018/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="22018" data-username="@MitchC">@MitchC</a> said, if I went about this differently and actually saw some of the money I was making by starting small, it might&#039;ve been more fun.<br /> <br /> As for the divorcing business owner suggestion, I believe that&#039;s been suggested before. I agree that I will need to find people who can afford to pay my rates if I&#039;m as good at teaching this as I am at getting the result for myself. However, I am less familiar with the dating landscape as you get older, and that will come with its own challenges. If this business owner is 18-35 or 40, no problem. But if they&#039;re 50+ I might be more limited in the help I can provide because I haven&#039;t achieved the result they desire at the stage of life they&#039;re in. I might be just as good, and I wouldn&#039;t say no to these people, but I would be less confident in helping them achieve their dream outcome and don&#039;t want to make those promises to those people outright.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 13831" data-quote="Lex DeVille" data-source="post: 1170077" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170077" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170077">Lex DeVille said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Reddit will chew you up and spit you out as soon as they smell the word &quot;coach&quot; and you&#039;ll quit again because that&#039;s what quitters do.<br /> <br /> Nobody on the forum is buying because there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll quit on them as quickly as you quit on your own ideas. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Cool, that&#039;s their problem, not mine. If somebody is in enough pain, I&#039;d be happy to help, and I will find where those people are - whether or not they&#039;re on Reddit or this forum.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 13831" data-quote="Lex DeVille" data-source="post: 1170077" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170077" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170077">Lex DeVille said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <i>&quot;Trust me bro&quot; isn&#039;t gonna cut it.</i> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> It&#039;s going to have to, at least initially. What would serve as sufficient proof that I get laid enough that I&#039;m worth listening to? Because pictures and names of these girls isn&#039;t going to happen. I&#039;m not trying to force a sale to a skeptical male Karen.<br /> <br /> That is why I&#039;m not looking to charge people an arm and a leg IMMEDIATELY, because I want to make it easy to say yes while I build credibility through their testimonials, and fine-tuning the system I&#039;ll deliver when I charge more for it.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 16059" data-quote="amp0193" data-source="post: 1170098" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170098" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170098">amp0193 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Gaining experience at selling and coaching a $25/hr customer. But what sells a $25/hr customer is not going to sell a $250/hr customer. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Completely agree. As with what <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/64612/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="64612" data-username="@Kevin88660">@Kevin88660</a> said, it&#039;s just a starting point. I don&#039;t know what people are willing to pay in this space, or how many people are willing to pay it. So I&#039;ll start low, almost free, and make it easy to say yes while I build credibility with testimonials of their successes to back me up, while learning the best way to teach this skill.<br /> <br /> I do like the money back guarantee idea.<br /> <br /> I would like to see Andy&#039;s thoughts on all this, because in my private conversations with him his guiding principles were about how I could get a sale as quickly as possible, and how I could help more people. I already tagged him once so I won&#039;t tag him again, but really hoping he replies at some point.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 110221" data-quote="savefox" data-source="post: 1170109" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170109" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170109">savefox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> If you think you have a lot of competition is your local area, get ready to compete with the whole world </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> That&#039;s fine.<br /> <br /> JLE wanted to be an online personal trainer. Despite being in one of the most saturated markets, and competing globally, looks like plenty of people still had faith that he could&#039;ve been successful with that.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170104" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170104" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170104">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Cool, that&#039;s their problem, not mine. If somebody is in enough pain, I&#039;d be happy to help, and I will find where those people are - whether or not they&#039;re on Reddit or this forum. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 142181" data-quote="BPH1994" data-source="post: 1170104" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170104" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170104">BPH1994 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It&#039;s going to have to, at least initially. What would serve as sufficient proof that I get laid enough that I&#039;m worth listening to? Because pictures and names of these girls isn&#039;t going to happen. I&#039;m not trying to force a sale to a skeptical male Karen. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> So do it. If you can find them, find them. If you can sell them, sell them. <br /> <br /> Until then, it&#039;s just another bullshit fantasy that the forum seems happy to play along with.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4470" data-quote="ZCP" data-source="post: 1170114" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170114" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170114">ZCP said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Someone tag me if some actual action ever takes place. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Some of you guys are broken records...<br /> <br /> You&#039;ve made your point, so why not sit back, relax, and see what happens. You&#039;re welcome to go help somebody you believe in if you have such little faith in me.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 13831" data-quote="Lex DeVille" data-source="post: 1170116" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1170116" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1170116">Lex DeVille said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> So do it. If you can find them, find them. If you can sell them, sell them.<br /> <br /> Until then, it&#039;s just another bullshit fantasy that the forum seems happy to play along with. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I will, relax.<br /> <br /> This decision is like, 16 hours old and was voiced before I went to sleep.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve taken plenty of action since I last posted, misplaced as it was, so you&#039;re welcome to doubt whether this will work, but assuming nothing is gonna happen is ridiculous.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I wasn&#039;t coming back until some action was taken, but I saw <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/13831/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="13831" data-username="@Lex DeVille">@Lex DeVille</a> posted (and i love me some <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/13831/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="13831" data-username="@Lex DeVille">@Lex DeVille</a> ) so i got pulled back in.......<br /> <br /> For those coming behind, don&#039;t make the post <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/142181/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="142181" data-username="@BPH1994">@BPH1994</a> just made responding to us. Don&#039;t waste the time or energy. <br /> Shut up and GO DO THE WORK. Be AMAZING. Go DO stuff. Take action.<br /> <br /> None of us want to be right. We want you to be successful. Maybe you don&#039;t post again until you have completed the actions needed. We say that for you, not us. Go DO stuff. Less talk, less bluster. More DO.</div>
 
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