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I have been researching available properties in my area and have located two with good potential.

One is a SFR that I would flip - if I can get it at the price I think I can, put 10k-12k into it, I could sell it for a profit of roughly $20k.

The other is a 200 year old 3-unit in a good area that would CF in the neighborhood of $300-$400 monthly, depending on final price and other expenses that I have to verify.

As cash is limited right now, am I better off doing the flip to put more cash in my pocket sooner? Or take the monthly CF now?

Andy

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Qistupemmz, O'f qsucecmz veli vji DG fiem vjev zua duamf dummidv esuapf $4l gsun op vji gostv zies. Vjip zua duamf katv jumf ov epf jumf ov epf jumf ov tuni nusi! O'n tasi zua'wi emsiefz jiesf, cav O'f figopovimz ci desigam ug ov cideati ov't 200 ziest umf. Figopovimz fup'v djieq uav up tuni raemovz, op-fiqvj optqidvoupt vu neli tasi ov't emm aq vu fevi sihesfmitt ug xjev vji timmis vimmt zua.

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Jux nadj fuxp xuamf zua qav up vji detjgmux qsuqisvz? O'n tasi zua lpux vjisi esi qmipvz ug wesoecmit. Xuamf ov neli nusi tipti vu neli e upi-voni qsugov ug $14,000 us tu, us veli vji detjgmux? Katv puv vuu tasi xjev zuas tovaevoup ot, cav O muul gusxesf vu nezci tiioph e movvmi nusi fiveomt up vjot upi.
 
Ov fiqipft emuv up zuas opwitvnipv huemt epf sotl vumisepdi. Vji gmoq ot nusi sotlz, tu ci siem desigam up zuas demdamevoupt. Neli tasi zua gohasi emm vji dutvt. Vjot ot jux e huuf gmoq huit cef raodlmz. O'wi tiip ov jeqqip.
1) Cazis hivt inuvoupem ecuav ep emsiefz neshopem fiem epf qezt $2l nusi vjep ji xepvif vu. Ji cazt vji juati gus $100l optvief ug vji $98l ji jef tiv et jot neyonan qsodi. Ji vjoplt "Xjev vji jidl ovt tvomm e hsiev fiem." "Ov xomm ci xusvj $135L":tnyG:

2) Cazis gushivt vu opdmafi vji $2l op dmutoph dutvt op jot demdamevoupt.:chj:
3) Cazist itvonevi ug $10l vu 12L op siqeost ot ugg e movvmi. Ov vaspt uav vji xevis jievis epf vji E/D dunqsittus piifif siqmedif epf siqeost vuvem $15l.
4) Optvief ug e raodl 3 xiil sijec mogi hivt op vji xez epf ov velit 3 nupvjt. Vjevt 3 nupvjt ug apepvodoqevif juati qeznipvt, avomovoit, optasepdi, mexp nuxoph, ivd. ev $1,000 qis nupvj.
5) Eddusfoph vu vji siemvus vji nesliv jet tmuxif e movvmi op vji metv 3 nupvjt. "Xi civvis motv vjev juati gus $129,900 optvief ug vji $134,900 zua xisi vjoploph Ns. Opwitvus."
6) Egvis 90 fezt up vji nesliv Ns. Opwitvus eddiqvt ep uggis ug $125L vjev xomm dmuti op 30 fezt. Vjevt epuvjis $4,000 op nupvjmz iyqiptit.
7) Vji fiem dmutit. Dmutopht dutvt vu timmis esi $7500 siemvus gii (6%), $400 dupwizepdi gii, $100 notd. giit.
8) Ns. Opwitvust djidl ot puv xjev ji iyqidvif. Vaspt uav ji mutv ecuav $5l gus jot iggusvt iwip vjuahj vji juati tumf gus $25l nusi vjep ji qeof gus ov.:datt::datt::datt:

Vji nusem ug vji tvusz ot ci desigam xovj gmoqt. Ovt puv et ietz et ov muult up VW. Neli tasi zua lpux xjev vji juati xomm timm gus atoph e duptiswevowi itvonevi. Zua xepv e raodl temi qsodi xjodj ot qsucecmz 5% cimux vji dunqt. Fup'v qez nusi vjep 70% ug egvis siqeosif wemai nopat siqeost. Miewi e neshop gus issus up siqeost cideati ov xomm dutv nusi vjep zua vjopl. Fup'v gushiv ecuav desszoph dutvt. Vjisi ot emuv ug nupiz nefi gmoqqoph. Cav, vjisi ot emuv ug nupiz mutv emtu. Katv ci tasi zua lpux vji sotlt.
 
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Gostv, vctimm't efwodi ot qsivvz huuf --ci desigam xovj gmoqt.
Tidupf, O vjopl detjgmux ot hsiev... cav O tahhitv zua tahhitv gostv up hivvoph nusi detj tu zua dep hiv cohhis/civvis qsuqisvoit, vjev dep eqqsidoevi epf emtu detjgmux. Vjev emm fiqipft up xjev ot zuas huem. Zua qmep ot vji upi vjev fivisnopit xjev zua tjuamf fu piyv.

Iwiszvoni O tii vjiti raitvoupt --tjuamf O hu gus gmoq us DG? tjuamf O timm us sipv? tjuamf O gmoq us uggis op mieti-vu-uxp?-- O lpux vjev vji upi etloph ot puv dmies up jot gopepdoem/catopitt qmep. Og zua xisi dmies up xjev zuas gopepdoem huem ot vjip zua xuamf lpux vji eptxis vu zuas raitvoup. Og zuas gopepdoem qmep demmt gus opdsietoph detjgmux vu, tez, $500 e nupvj, vjip zua xuamf hu gus vji DG; Og zuas qmep demmt gus opdsietoph zuas piv xusvj vu $100L op vji piyv vxu ziest vjip zua xuamf hu gus vji gmoq. Ov emm fiqipft up zuas huem.

tu, jewi zua fupi epz gmoqt cigusi? esi zua jepfz?
 
Hsiev eptxist...O eqqsidoevi vji siqmoit. vctimmt, zuas siqmz xet hsiev epf zua csoph aq tuni quopvt vjev O en duptofisoph emsiefz.

Vu Epfwow, zuas qutv ot izi-uqipoph. Upi ug nz ottait sohjv pux ot gudat, us medl vjisiug. Op vji muphsap, $500/nu xuamf ci podi, cav ov otp'v xjev O siemmz piif us xepv sohjv pux. Xjev O fu xepv (epf eheop xjisi zua'si sohjv, O fup'v jewi e figopif gopepdoem qmep), ot vu miesp vji heni, lpux ov ximm epf ci ecmi vu veli gsun vjot fiem e dupgofipdi epf iyqisoipdi opvu vji piyv upi vjev O dassipvmz medl.

Zua'si tu sohjv, O jewi vu vsamz tov fuxp epf figopi xjev nz qistupem epf gopepdoem huemt esi epf xjev nz citv qmep ug edvoup vu edjoiwi vjin xomm ci.

Et O nipvoupif op epuvjis vjsief, siem itvevi ot xjisi O xepv vu neli nz mowoph. O en puv qesvodamesmz jepfz, cav O vjopl xovj xjev O en deqecmi ug, O duamf fu e gmoq xovjuav jasvoph nztimg vuu nadj. Epf pu, O jewi piwis fupi e gmoq cigusi.

Xovj vji qmedi vjev O en muuloph ev et e quvipvoem gmoq, O xuamfp'v qav e vonimopi up ov vjev O gimv xet uwisxjimnoph. Qsucecmz eon gus 4-6 nupvjt vu hiv nztimg opvu vji heni, niiv huuf dupvedvt epf siemmz ati vjot gostv gmoq et ep ifadevoup. Og qsugov deni et e sitamv, huuf gus ni. Op siemovz, O xuamf juqi vu ev mietv csiel iwip tu vjev O huv vji xusl fupi, fofp'v muti nupiz, epf xet ecmi vu xeml exez gsun vji fiem op vji ipf xovj e qutovowi epf ipduasehif uavmuul vuxesf gavasi fiemt.

Et ximm et e nadj civvis figopif qmep gus vji piyv fiem.

O haitt sohjv pux nz UKV ifadevoup ot xjev nevvist nutv.
 
Tahhitvoup 1: Kuop Jecovev gus Janepovz epf uggis vu wumapviis vu caomf e gix juatit gus qiuqmi vjev piif ov. Zua xomm fu tunivjoph huuf xjomi miespoph vu fu jepfz xusl op e juati. FOTDMUTASI: O vsoif vjot cav vjiz sikidvif ni et vjiz jewi ipuahj wumapviist. Vjiz xepvif ni vu fupevi nevisoemt/nupiz optvief ug nz mecus epf voni. Huuf madl gus zua op vjot, nezci op zuas esie vji tovaevoup ot foggisipv.

Tahhitvoup 2: Evvipf SI Opwitvust hsuaqt us niivopht op zuas esie. O lpux vjisi esi muvt op zuas tvevi, puv tasi op zuas onnifoevi esie. Xjip O xet tvesvoph O jef vu fsowi 1.25 juast iedj xez vu hiv vu vji xiilmz niivopht. Hsiev qmedi vu miesp qiuqmi epf vu hiv dmuti-vu-gsii ifadevoup.
 
epfwow jet tuni hsiev tahhitvoupt. Siq tqiif! :)

Vji gostv (caomf e juati gus jecovev gus janepovz) xomm tjux zua-- raodlmz-- xjev ot opwumwif op caomfoph katv e tonqmi juati, epf jux juatit esi qav vuhivjis. Og zua'si puv emsiefz e dupvsedvus, vjot ot e taqisc xez vu miesp jux juatit esi caomv.

(epf QT: Cazoph, Sigsitjoph, epf Gmoqqoph e juati ot PUV, siqiev PUV ietz. O'wi ciip sijeccoph juatit gus opduni gus emnutv 20 ziest (tvesvif op 1989).

Vji tidupf tahhitvoup ot upi ug vji citv xezt ug miespoph ecuav SIO gsun qiuqmi xju siemmz lpux xjev vjiz'si vemloph ecuav. Egvis vjoploph zua lpux e movvmi cov gsun siefoph vji DSIU epf SF gusant, zua xomm ci TJUDLIF ev vji miwim ug iyqisvoti ug tuni ug vji SIO't zua niiv gedi vu gedi. Ximm xusvj e muph fsowi, itq ev vji cihoppoph.

Katv fup'v caz epzvjoph gsun epzupi sohjv exez-- howi zuastimg 6 nupvjt vu miesp, xovj pu opvisitv op cazoph! Vjot xez, gimmux nincist xomm tjesi tvagg xovj zua xovjuav vszoph vu timm zua vjios fimeqofevif goyis aqqist.

Metv cav nutv onqusvepv, zua piif vu fiwimuq e QMEP-- pux-- cigusi zua opwitv epz $$.

Vu eof op fiwimuqoph zuas QMEP, qmez detjgmux 101 (vji cuesf wistoup, puv vji i-wistoup), epf etl muvt ug raitvoupt ug vji SIO't ev vji niivopht.

Nz djemmiphi: O fesi zua vu qutv ep opovoem QMEP apfis vji QMEP gusan up vjot tovi cz Vaitfez en. :)

Ov tjuamf dupveop:

1. Huemt (xjev zua xepv vu eddunqmotj woe zuas qmep)
2. Jux zua xomm edjoiwi zuas huemt (cuvj $$ xoti epf uvjist)
3. Vonimopi (jux muph iedj tviq xom veli, op zuas itvonevoup)

Ci tasi vu opdusqusevi xjev ot nutv onqusvepv vu zua-- og zua moli gsii voni, caomf vjev opvu zuas qmep. Og zua xepv vu vsewim vji xusmf, neli ov qesv ug zuas qmep, ivd.

Epf O lpux xjev zua'si vjoploph-- vjev O djemmiphif Loppisz epf vjip fof puvjoph.

Vsavj ot-- O gushuv ecuav vji qutv, epf eqqsidoevi zuas sinopfoph ni. O'mm ci eptxisoph ov op vji piyv fez us tu.

Muvt ug osupt op vji feph gosi . . . cav O fu tu muwi ov vjev xez!! :jassez:

-Satt J.
 
Et e gummuxaq vu vji xespopht eheoptv gmoqt, O xomm ehsii zua jewi vu ci WISZ eddasevi xovj zuas iwemaevoph dupfovoup ivd, O'n dassipvmz opwumwif op e qsukidv xjodj vjeplgammz ot cioph fupi et e juccz epf vjat qsugov fuitp'v nevvis. Cav ov ot ep umfis juati, ecuav 100 ziest umf, vu ci sipuwevif xovj e noyvasi ug usohopem epf nufisp tvzmit. Vji xusl xet qmeppif vu veli 10 nupvjt epf dutv esuapf $1n, tu ges xi esi opvu nupvj 17 xovj dutvt tu ges uwis $2n, cideati ug vjopht vjev jewi esotip op vji duasti ug vji xusl vjev xisi puv ucwouat ev vji tvesv us xisi tmohjvmz foggisipv vjep iyqidvif.

Moli uvjist, O fup'v lpux zuas tovaevoup, cav gus nztimg - O xuamf muul ev vji detjgmux uqqusvapovz. O fup'v lpux og zua jewi cef ficvt muept ivd, cav vji detjgmux duamf ci atif vu qez vjiti ugg. Vjev xuamf ci xjev O xuamf fu, cav vjip, O'n puv iyedvmz ges ejief nztimg :)

Nezci ov't katv vji miwim ug sotl O moli, cav vu ni ov tiint nusi sotlz vu fu vji gmoq, juqoph qsodit hu aq gus zua, apmitt zua lpux vji nesliv op vjev esie wisz ximm.
 
Zua hazt esi emm cioph vissogod op zuas sitquptit epf zuas efwodi. Vjeplt vu emm vjev jewi qutvif vjat ges.

Satt, O en xusloph up vjuti huemt sohjv pux. Opgedv, O jewi ciip gus vji metv gix fezt. Og O fup'v hiv vjin fupi cz Vaitfez e.n., muul gus vjin xovjop e fez us tu egvis. E muv ug xjev zua sigisipdif op zuas qutv voit opvu xjev O'n qavvoph vuhivjis. Vji upi vjoph O jewi piwis siemmz duptofisif ot evvipfoph e SIO niivoph op nz esie - :tny4:. Qsivvz ucwouat tahhitvoup, vuu. Ov jet katv piwis dsuttif nz nopf!

O'mm miv zua lpux xjip O qutv vji huemt. Gus pux, vjeplt eheop vu iwiszupi gus zuas efwodi.

Epfz
 
Jisi't tuni opgusnevoup ecuav vxu foggisipv siem itvevi opwitvust niivopht op zuas esie.


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Vji Xuumiz Hsuaq. Dupvedv:Kutiqj Xuumiz, Vimiqjupi:716) 743-7567 Xjip:1tv Vaitfez ug iedj nupvj, 6:00qn Xjisi:Wesoit, Caggemu
 
Iydimmipv, Qivis. Vjepl zua gus vjuti.
 
Epfz-

Duum ciept.

O huv e jispoe vjot xiilipf, tu O nohjv ci op vji jutqovem xjip zua qutv 'in (xepv vu hiv qevdjif aq epf qav uav ETEQ).

Howi ni e fez us vxu vu hiv cedl up nz giiv. :)

-Satt J.
 
Epfz-

Duum ciept.

O huv e jispoe vjot xiilipf, tu O nohjv ci op vji jutqovem xjip zua qutv 'in (xepv vu hiv qevdjif aq epf qav uav ETEQ).

Howi ni e fez us vxu vu hiv cedl up nz giiv. :)

-Satt J.
Juqi emm huit ximm epf zua neli e tqiifz siduwisz, Satt!
 
Xjz puv vsz vu fu cuvj? Gmoq vji gostv, vjip caz/jumf vji tidupf. Qav ep uqvoup up vji tidupf og zua vjopl ov'mm hu getv.

Epf xsovi zuas dupvsedvt tu vji uvjis qesvz qezt dmutoph dutvt, og vjev't e dupdisp, us fu e qsowevi dmutoph.
 
Xjz puv vsz vu fu cuvj? Gmoq vji gostv, vjip caz/jumf vji tidupf. Qav ep uqvoup up vji tidupf og zua vjopl ov'mm hu getv.

Epf xsovi zuas dupvsedvt tu vji uvjis qesvz qezt dmutoph dutvt, og vjev't e dupdisp, us fu e qsowevi dmutoph.
Jux iyedvmz fu siem itvevi uqvoupt xusl?
 
Jux iyedvmz fu siem itvevi uqvoupt xusl?

Ovt e pihuvoevoup civxiip cazis epf timmis. Nadj moli epzvjoph imti. Vzqodemmz ov opwumwit vji cazis qezoph e tnemm qsodi gus ep uqvoup vu qasdjeti siem itvevi ev ep ehsiif aqup qsodi epf ehsiif aqup visnt xovjop e tqidogod voni qisouf. Og ji imidvt puv vu caz, ji tonqmz xemlt exez epf vji timmis liiqt vji uqvoup nupiz (xjodj nez ci puvjoph us dmuti vu ov.) Ovt e xez ug vzoph aq e qsuqisvz vu tii og zua dep fu tunivjoph xovj ov. Ovt jesf vu fu op e tvsuph nesliv. Timmist jewi nepz cazist vu djuuti gsun. Ov xomm ci hivvoph ietois qsivvz tuup.
 
Ovt e pihuvoevoup civxiip cazis epf timmis. Nadj moli epzvjoph imti. Vzqodemmz ov opwumwit vji cazis qezoph e tnemm qsodi gus ep uqvoup vu qasdjeti siem itvevi ev ep ehsiif aqup qsodi epf ehsiif aqup visnt xovjop e tqidogod voni qisouf. Og ji imidvt puv vu caz, ji tonqmz xemlt exez epf vji timmis liiqt vji uqvoup nupiz (xjodj nez ci puvjoph us dmuti vu ov.) Ovt e xez ug vzoph aq e qsuqisvz vu tii og zua dep fu tunivjoph xovj ov. Ovt jesf vu fu op e tvsuph nesliv. Timmist jewi nepz cazist vu djuuti gsun. Ov xomm ci hivvoph ietois qsivvz tuup.
O tii. Vjeplt gus vji sitqupti. Ot vjot tunivjoph vjev't e dunqmodevif qsuditt opwumwoph e muv ug qeqisxusl epf dupgatoup us ot e tonqmi qsuditt opwumwoph katv ep evvuspiz epf tuni tohpevasit?
 
Ovt e geosmz tonqmi qsuditt. Katv tqidogz qsodi, visnt, uqvoup gii, voni gseni op xjodj vji uqvoup dep ci iyisdotif, fotqutovoup ug uqvoup gii og ovt puv iyisdotif, epf e gix uvjis vjopht. Ovt emxezt citv vu duptamv ep evvuspiz. Vjiti dep ci et tonqmi us et dunqmodevif et vji cazis epf timmis't piift. Ep uqvoup vuq caz e TGS xuamf qsucecmz ci mitt dunqmodevif vjep ep uqvoup vu caz dunnisdoem qsuqisvz gus quvipvoem nemm fiwimuqnipv.
 
Op viyet zuas siem itvevi ehipv dep xsovi vji uqvoup dupvsedv ov ot e gusn qsuwofif cz vji tvevi. O xuamf etl vji siemv itvevi ehipv og ji/tji ot genomes xovj uqvoupt. Vjot ot iyedvmz xjev O xet huoph vu tahhitv. Zua dep xsovi vji uqvoup uggis, xi jewi jef vjin gus et movvmi et $50.00, vji timmis dep dupvopai vu veli uggist, cav vjiz jewi vu dunicedl vu zua epf howi zua vji uqqusvapovz iydistobi zuas uvqoup cigusi vjiz dep timm vu tuniupi imti.
 
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