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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?

I can tell you so many tragic stories of alcohol use and abuse. There's of course the accidents, the foolish, obnoxious behavior, the fights, physical health etc.. But there's another one that's not well known - mental health. Yes. I have seen very smart people be reduced to nothing just by a couple or few drinks a night (that developed into several throughout the day). By "smart" and reduced to "nothing" I mean situations like a high IQ person who had highly professional career and ended up found literally barefoot and shirtless in the dead of winter at a shopping mall! Or the swashbuckling star athlete that few could beat stumble around his house with a beer gut (actually cirrhosis) as big as a small sofa. He was only in his 50's.

So any ideas are welcome. I will put it into action and you very well might see it!
 

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While you are at it lets eliminate cars because some people abuse their capabilities and end up crashing and hurting people.

I have some few trillion dollars I would like to put forward towards this endeavor.
 

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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?

I can tell you so many tragic stories of alcohol use and abuse. There's of course the accidents, the foolish, obnoxious behavior, the fights, physical health etc.. But there's another one that's not well known - mental health. Yes. I have seen very smart people be reduced to nothing just by a couple or few drinks a night (that developed into several throughout the day). By "smart" and reduced to "nothing" I mean situations like a high IQ person who had highly professional career and ended up found literally barefoot and shirtless in the dead of winter at a shopping mall! Or the swashbuckling star athlete that few could beat stumble around his house with a beer gut (actually cirrhosis) as big as a small sofa. He was only in his 50's.

So any ideas are welcome. I will put it into action and you very well might see it!
Look up James Swanwick.

He seems to be doing a pretty decent job of monetizing the niche while helping people quit. If I had to guess I'd say he gets his marketing and sales ideas from Sam Ovens.
 

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Look up James Swanwick.

He seems to be doing a pretty decent job of monetizing the niche while helping people quit. If I had to guess I'd say he gets his marketing and sales ideas from Sam Ovens.
Thanks. It seems he makes money by providing coaching sessions. It's interesting but I think I want it free for people and earn through results, such as targeted lists of non-drinkers or something like that.
 

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Thanks. It seems he makes money by providing coaching sessions. It's interesting but I think I want it free for people and earn through results, such as targeted lists of non-drinkers or something like that.

You could just build a community around it and then subtly sell affilate products centered around health, fitness, nutrition, meditation...and so on. In my experience, people usually start looking for ways to fill the void after they quit, as well as heal their bodies and minds.
 

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You could just build a community around it and then subtly sell affilate products centered around health, fitness, nutrition, meditation...and so on. In my experience, people usually start looking for ways to fill the void after they quit, as well as heal their bodies and minds.
Yes. That's what I was thinking about my "abolish compulsory education" idea. But it would work with my "give up alcohol forever" idea, too.
 

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There are tons of people making lots of money in the addiction/recovery market. I would not recommend it.

Normal people are not going to pay you for this, it's a non-problem.
 

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There are tons of people making lots of money in the addiction/recovery market. I would not recommend it.

Normal people are not going to pay you for this, it's a non-problem.
It's not addiction or recovery. It's just not drinking! And I want to make a change in the culture in a way that simply makes sense for the best possible healthy and happy life
 

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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?
I do not know whether this is possible in the US. In Germany, however, there are laws on data protection so selling such directories to employers and insurance companies might not be allowed.

In my opinion the best way to monetize your desire is to coach people on why and how to stop drinking alcohol. For instance, in Germany vehicle drivers that have commited severe crimes lose their driver's license and have to pass the MPU (medical and psychological inspection, Medizinisch-Psychologische Untersuchung). I do not know whether similar exams have to be passed in the USA, but in Germany, you could start a group on helping people to pass the MPU and to regain their driver's license by stopping their addictive behavior.
 

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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?

I can tell you so many tragic stories of alcohol use and abuse. There's of course the accidents, the foolish, obnoxious behavior, the fights, physical health etc.. But there's another one that's not well known - mental health. Yes. I have seen very smart people be reduced to nothing just by a couple or few drinks a night (that developed into several throughout the day). By "smart" and reduced to "nothing" I mean situations like a high IQ person who had highly professional career and ended up found literally barefoot and shirtless in the dead of winter at a shopping mall! Or the swashbuckling star athlete that few could beat stumble around his house with a beer gut (actually cirrhosis) as big as a small sofa. He was only in his 50's.

So any ideas are welcome. I will put it into action and you very well might see it!
Are looking for people who drink and they need help to quit?

Or people who have never really have had the problem and simply don't drink?

Those are two totally different groups of people. Other than being human, they don't have much in common in their personal habits.
 

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Are looking for people who drink and they need help to quit?

Or people who have never really have had the problem and simply don't drink?

Those are two totally different groups of people. Other than being human, they don't have much in common in their personal habits.
I'm looking for anyone who gets the "wisdom" of not drinking. It's everyone, drinkers and those who don't. The idea is that alcohol is so bad that drinking must be not part of the human mindset. I'm not at all a prohibitionist or a "do gooder". I just want to change the mindset and get paid by doing so. I would think if I could get 100 million people to swear off alcohol governments and/or foundations would pay me.
 

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I suppose it depends on the culture of the country. You may be able to change a few people but if you want to make a change then you have to change the whole culture.

The main reason I stopped drinking was because I wanted to focus on doing something with my life.
 

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“Help the people in motion?” (Amy Hoy)

Rather than convince people to stop doing something negative, consider helping people do something positive?

Especially those already in motion.

What healthy lifestyle can you promote that doesn’t involve drinking? Intermittent fasting? Running, swimming, cycling, yoga, the gym, etc?

What can you replace drinking alcohol with? It seems that coffee culture replaced some of the drinking culture here in Ireland, at least during lockdown. I’m not a fan of coffee but it was interesting to see so many cafes open up recently.
 

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The main reason I stopped drinking was because I wanted to focus on doing something with my life.
Me and David posted at the same time. This is what I’m getting at.

I stopped drinking when I got big into motorbikes. Can’t get up early on the weekend and go for a spin with a hangover.

I barely drink now as I’ve got kids (who I want to do stuff with on a weekend morning), want to get fit, don’t want a gut or the health complications, and prefer to do other things with my evenings.

Oh, and I replaced motorbikes when I became a dad. One important thing in my life was easily replaced when an even bigger one came along.

People are often either motivated to run because a tiger is chasing them, or because there’s something they’re running towards (or for). I personally would want to work with those motivated by something that pulls them forward.
 

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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?

I can tell you so many tragic stories of alcohol use and abuse. There's of course the accidents, the foolish, obnoxious behavior, the fights, physical health etc.. But there's another one that's not well known - mental health. Yes. I have seen very smart people be reduced to nothing just by a couple or few drinks a night (that developed into several throughout the day). By "smart" and reduced to "nothing" I mean situations like a high IQ person who had highly professional career and ended up found literally barefoot and shirtless in the dead of winter at a shopping mall! Or the swashbuckling star athlete that few could beat stumble around his house with a beer gut (actually cirrhosis) as big as a small sofa. He was only in his 50's.

So any ideas are welcome. I will put it into action and you very well might see it!
I think on a massive scale it would be quite difficult since in the U.S. anyway it goes back to bootlegging, the prohibition, and 18th Amendment.

I would think the masses would have to agree and change the course of history.

You maybe able to in a small town or island if you bought one and it were private. Alcohol tends to be one of the biggest ways people relate in every social class.

Alcoholism is basically passed down generation to generation.

i don't particularly drink myself. You can make to many bad decisions or choices while intoxicated. Whoever is around you can also make bad choices and take advantage of the situation.

Alcohol is pretty much a choice .
 

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It's not addiction or recovery. It's just not drinking! And I want to make a change in the culture in a way that simply makes sense for the best possible healthy and happy life
bruh... NEEEEEEEEEED

There are already plenty of non-drinking cultures. No one wants to pay you to connect them with other people who do not drink. That is the most boring, uninspiring problem ever.
 

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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?

I can tell you so many tragic stories of alcohol use and abuse. There's of course the accidents, the foolish, obnoxious behavior, the fights, physical health etc.. But there's another one that's not well known - mental health. Yes. I have seen very smart people be reduced to nothing just by a couple or few drinks a night (that developed into several throughout the day). By "smart" and reduced to "nothing" I mean situations like a high IQ person who had highly professional career and ended up found literally barefoot and shirtless in the dead of winter at a shopping mall! Or the swashbuckling star athlete that few could beat stumble around his house with a beer gut (actually cirrhosis) as big as a small sofa. He was only in his 50's.

So any ideas are welcome. I will put it into action and you very well might see it!
Product invention? Like a non-alcoholic beverage that could replicate the taste.
 

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I'm looking for anyone who gets the "wisdom" of not drinking. It's everyone, drinkers and those who don't. The idea is that alcohol is so bad that drinking must be not part of the human mindset. I'm not at all a prohibitionist or a "do gooder". I just want to change the mindset and get paid by doing so. I would think if I could get 100 million people to swear off alcohol governments and/or foundations would pay me.
I'm routinely the odd girl out when it comes to parties and gatherings that includes drinking -- and it's always been that way for me . I don't drink. I also don't drink coffee, sodas, or eat a most processed foods. I can't. When I drink or eat stupid stuff, my kidneys stop working and my back hurts SO bad. Since I want live longer, I'm not even interested in partaking. People are always telling me that I can have just one -- I politely tell them no. Most of the time, I don't explain the why, unless they really press me. They usually assume that I'm a recovering drunk or a religious zealot -- which is worlds away from the truth. Many times they launch into a tirade based upon that assumption. It's offensive, intrusive, and none of their business. I'm usually the designated driver if I choose to go to the event. BUT, I really don't enjoy being around drunk people. They routinely act stupid and I get bored pretty fast. I have better things to do with my time. I just want to leave and go do something else. Since I have a real attitude about drinking, I'm obviously not a good person to give you advice.

PS -- I have the same attitude toward street drugs...
 

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Me and David posted at the same time. This is what I’m getting at.

I stopped drinking when I got big into motorbikes. Can’t get up early on the weekend and go for a spin with a hangover.

I barely drink now as I’ve got kids (who I want to do stuff with on a weekend morning), want to get fit, don’t want a gut or the health complications, and prefer to do other things with my evenings.

Oh, and I replaced motorbikes when I became a dad. One important thing in my life was easily replaced when an even bigger one came along.

People are often either motivated to run because a tiger is chasing them, or because there’s something they’re running towards (or for). I personally would want to work with those motivated by something that pulls them forward.
I'm really glad I got so many positive and helpful replies. It clearly shows to me as well that other people "get it" when it comes to alcohol. What started me on this idea again was the other day a neighbor who I have have seen around for over a year without issue got drunk and was carrying on screaming like belligerent idiot in the street. The next day I went over to a family friend's place and told them about this and then one of our old friends from far away called right after. We had them on speaker phone and we could hear all this commotion in the background. I said "What's that?". They said "Oh, I'm walking by a bar that has tables outside and these drunken idiots are yelling."
 

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I don’t really drink. Maybe 5-6 drinks a year max. I don’t pay anyone to do this, nor do I care to mingle with people in person or online over the topic.

I have nothing against people that drink, or people that are strictly against it. I just don’t care.
 
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"Avoid" is a signal that's hard to gather around. If you're interesting in not-drinking, find something that's incompatible with, and a substitute for (in some social sense perhaps), whatever it is people get from drinking. It's easier to imagine yourself serving juice, or doing parkour, or being part of a juggling club that meets in the evenings, or some other not-drinking activity, than it is to imagine sitting around while choosing not to drink.
 

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I see what everybody was trying to tell me in other threads..


Anyway, let’s keep an open mind.


Drinks that look like alcoholic beverages.

Fake whiskey, fake vodka, etc, for non alcoholic cocktails. Taste pretty much the same, without the alcohol.

Google it/ look for it on social media.


That’s if you want to “make a profit”.

Nobody here or anywhere else on this Earth will come up with a solution to eradicate the behaviour of drinking alcohol completely.

Call it whatever you want, it’s the truth I see.
 
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Kind of hard to put together a group of non doers. Imagine creating a club for people who don’t exercise, or for people who don’t have dogs. They don’t have anything in common because it’s a non event in their lives.

Would you like to join the non posting fastlaner’s club? It’s only for people who don’t want to start a business.
 

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Kind of hard to put together a group of non doers. Imagine creating a club for people who don’t exercise, or for people who don’t have dogs. They don’t have anything in common because it’s a non event in their lives.

Would you like to join the non posting fastlaner’s club? It’s only for people who don’t want to start a business.
Please don’t :rofl:


Even though I’m trying to keep an open mind, this is the perfect example of action faking we got so far.
 

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I think you'd have to specifically aim for the Alcoholics Anonymous Community and do research on how many of them would buy a product. Whether it serves their need. I know many of them wish there were night clubs for them to go too, or places specifically for them for entertainment.

On a grand scale, you'd have to find out what the population maybe globally, and what is out there already. The statistics on the numbers.

It maybe something you can do locally. Nothing wrong with non-alcoholic beverages. The one's I know do not drink it because still it is a trigger of their addiction if it tastes like the real deal.
 

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I have a definite desire to change the culture for the good by eliminating the behavior of drinking alcohol. I know it's a "tall order" but I believe I can at least make a dent - and a profit doing so. But I don't know exactly how to monetize it. A directory of non-drinkers? I sell this to interested parties, like insurance companies, employers, etc.?

I can tell you so many tragic stories of alcohol use and abuse. There's of course the accidents, the foolish, obnoxious behavior, the fights, physical health etc.. But there's another one that's not well known - mental health. Yes. I have seen very smart people be reduced to nothing just by a couple or few drinks a night (that developed into several throughout the day). By "smart" and reduced to "nothing" I mean situations like a high IQ person who had highly professional career and ended up found literally barefoot and shirtless in the dead of winter at a shopping mall! Or the swashbuckling star athlete that few could beat stumble around his house with a beer gut (actually cirrhosis) as big as a small sofa. He was only in his 50's.

So any ideas are welcome. I will put it into action and you very well might see it!

Make a narrative...define the massive problem for people/society and how your org is a force for good.

Find people to become the face of the organization, a leader for people to gather around and look up to.

Sounds like a rather straightforward appeal to virtue, but how to make it interesting and fun and capture people's attention and then retain their attention will be the main challenge imv.
 

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As a person in recovery (not booze) I can validate that its great you want to help society with a horrific issue but I have some concerns with someone going in this with a money making motivation. I'd guess it would be best suited for someone who is a successful recovering alcoholic with many years under their belt as this gives a better understanding for recovery and they would use their skills to help others outside of AA or whatever and the monetizing methods would just come due to the byproduct of helping others.

A data base of non-drinkers may also run into a lot of discrimination laws and also there are a large portion of the population who can have a glass of wine with dinner a few times a week or whatever and they have zero dependence issues and its a life enhancement. Its the same with my addiction (gambling), Im a blundering fool when I slip from my worst addiction but yet there are a zillion people who can play poker, BJ or hit the slots once in-a-while and it being a healthy activity they share with others, should they get listed like a one drink a week person that you would.

I think you need to just focus on how to help people to address their illness. I agree there should be more strategies available besides 12 step programs so I admire that part of your goals. As for monetizing helping people from stop wrecking their lives you would think it would be easy based on laws of helping people, but the complexity of the illness is so immense you better be really good at what you have developed and the only way I can see that happening is if you are in recovery yourself.
 

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As a person in recovery (not booze) I can validate that its great you want to help society with a horrific issue but I have some concerns with someone going in this with a money making motivation. I'd guess it would be best suited for someone who is a successful recovering alcoholic with many years under their belt as this gives a better understanding for recovery and they would use their skills to help others outside of AA or whatever and the monetizing methods would just come due to the byproduct of helping others.

A data base of non-drinkers may also run into a lot of discrimination laws and also there are a large portion of the population who can have a glass of wine with dinner a few times a week or whatever and they have zero dependence issues and its a life enhancement. Its the same with my addiction (gambling), Im a blundering fool when I slip from my worst addiction but yet there are a zillion people who can play poker, BJ or hit the slots once in-a-while and it being a healthy activity they share with others, should they get listed like a one drink a week person that you would.

I think you need to just focus on how to help people to address their illness. I agree there should be more strategies available besides 12 step programs so I admire that part of your goals. As for monetizing helping people from stop wrecking their lives you would think it would be easy based on laws of helping people, but the complexity of the illness is so immense you better be really good at what you have developed and the only way I can see that happening is if you are in recovery yourself.
This is not about recovery! Recovery would certainly be part but this is about CREATING CULTURE. People learn from others and that's what creates culture. When you were growing up if there was no alcohol around, no one was "pushing it", no peer pressure, no rock stars were seen or heard of drinking, etc.. then you wouldn't drink.. It's as easy as that. The difficultly, so it appears maybe, is that drinking alcohol is ingrained in the culture. I have seen some statistics that show beer drinking has gone down or teen drinking has gone down, so the culture does and can certainly change. I'm looking for the fastlane way to change it. The solution(s) exist. It's that they just need to be implemented.
 

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I hear you, misunderstood. Got to be business models out there of groups of people who come together as non-drinkers and do events and such, sure you could find some info on how people have made money from promoting that type of culture and you can figure out how to scale, good luck!
 

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This is not about recovery! Recovery would certainly be part but this is about CREATING CULTURE. People learn from others and that's what creates culture. When you were growing up if there was no alcohol around, no one was "pushing it", no peer pressure, no rock stars were seen or heard of drinking, etc.. then you wouldn't drink.. It's as easy as that. The difficultly, so it appears maybe, is that drinking alcohol is ingrained in the culture. I have seen some statistics that show beer drinking has gone down or teen drinking has gone down, so the culture does and can certainly change. I'm looking for the fastlane way to change it. The solution(s) exist. It's that they just need to be implemented.
We've tried this several times over the history of mankind. It hasn't taken root yet. Drinking, drugs, gambling and other escape methods have always been part of the human experience.
 

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