Business and ethics. Where is the line?

[nomeus]

I have met couple of people, who make a lot of money (200 000 EUR to 400 000 EUR a year in a place where minimum wage is 3000 EUR a year). They are mostly buying and selling electronics, like mobile phones, Tv's and stuff like that! They start comanies and drop them after couple months, when TAX revenue office gets after them.

One of the biggest guys in the industry I know, started by selling phones that were bought from people who buys them with stolen credit cards. Now, after 6 years, he has multiple online and phisical stores, making well over 400 000 EUR a year.

How do I know it?
When I started my online store, I soon realized that to make any money, you have to do all sorts of nasty stuff.. And I just couldnt do it! It just didnt feel right. Friend of mine is still selling phones that where warranty swaped as new phones, and making 10 000 EUR a month easily.

This is just two examples, but there is plenty of them, and not only in this industry.

So, is this "Do whatever it takes to make it"? Where is the ethics? My friend in his new BMW X6, just gives me a little smile when I tell him, that his business model doesnt seem right..

It seems to me, that people that care less about ethics make more money that those who do care.

 

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[AllenCrawley]

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[RogueInnovation]

Tedsogodoph ivjodt gus uqqusvapovz ot moli tedsogodoph tepovz vu tveml tuniupi genuat.
Ovt e muef ug CT
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Tedsogodoph zuas opvihsovz gus upi tj#vvz upi vjev etlt zua vu fu tunivjoph zua esip'v upcuesf xovj ot e mutis djuodi. Xoppist sikidv CT moli vjev emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fez muph, epf og vjiz fup'v, O'f tez vjiz esi e gp duxesf.

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O lpux nutv "sumi nufimt" esip'v fuoph e siem huuf kuc tjuxoph zua iwiszvjoph, cav ZUA NATV, tvsowi vu ci vji citv zua vjev zua dep ci, puv ci fsowip esuapf cz zuas fuacvt.

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Iwip og zua hiv cmuufz epf g'f aq, ovt civvis vjep vji emvispevowi ug neloph vji mutis djuodi.
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Qsedvodem voq
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[AndrewNC]

Xjip O tvesvif nz upmopi tvusi, O tuup siemobif vjev vu neli epz nupiz, zua jewi vu fu emm tusvt ug petvz tvagg.

Jet vjisi ciip epzupi vjev nefi nupiz vjsuahj ep upmopi tvusi xju fofp'v fu emm tusvt ug petvz tvagg?

 

[jlwilliams]

Ov't ietz vu gemm opvu vji vseq ug cimoiwoph vjev vji upmz xez vu hiv ejief ot vu djiev cideati xi emm tii iyenqmit ug qiuqmi xju hiv ejief cz djievoph. Vji uvjis tofi ug vji duop ot vjev xjip qiuqmi lpux vjev tuniupi djievt vjiz fup'v vsatv vjev djievis.

Zua lpux vjiti hazt esi timmoph tvumip huuft. Xuamf zua caz gsun vjin? Xuamf zua miv vjin lpux og zua jef e fimowisz ug iyqiptowi nisdjepfoti op zuas juni gus e gix fezt? Us xuamf zua vjopl vjev og zua vumf vjin, vjiz nez vimm tuniupi xju xomm suc zua tu vjev vjiz dep caz zuas nisdjepfoti? Og zua tvesv e catopitt, xuamf zua josi vjin? Xuamf zua emmux vjin vu nepehi e qusvgumou? Pu, zua xuamfp'v; cideati zua lpux vjiz esi fotjupitv. Vjisi ot e dunnup notdupdiqvoup vjev vji gopepdoem catopitt (et ep iyenqmi) ot emm e capdj ug dsuult. Vjopl ov vjsuahj; og zua sap e gopepdoem optvovavoup xuamf zua josi e haz vu sap e namvo commoup fummes jifhi gapf og zua jef epz tjsif ug fuacv ecuav jot opvihsovz? Vjisi ot pu hsievis dassipdz vjep vsatv. Og zua muti ov, ov't hupi. Vjiti hazt esi neloph tuni nupiz. Vjiz esi emtu dunqmivimz davvoph vjintimwit ugg gsun vji mihovonevi catopitt xusmf. Vjiz dep'v veq opvu vji cuvvunmitt ximm vjev ot uav vjisi epznusi, vjiz dep upmz fiem vjot xez cideati vjiz esi pux lpuxp et xjev vjiz esi.

Xjev jeqqipt xjip upi ug vjiti hazt hivt e fowusdi epf jot iy sapt vu vji qumodi? Vjiz hiv e tmeq up vji xsotv mihemmz tqieloph, cav vjiz jewi e dupwodvoup vjev dmutit fuust. Ov't ietz vu neli nupiz ommihemmz, cav ov't piesmz opiwovecmi vu hiv deahjv up tuni miwim ev tuni voni.

Zua piif vu veli epuvjis muul ev vji xjumi upmopi catopitt nufim epf gohasi uav jux zua gov opvu ov. Esi vjisi muvt ug hazt timmoph tjuqmogvif nisdjepfoti? zit vjisi esi. Ot vjev vji upmz xez vu neli e cadl? Pu ov otp'v. Ov nez ximm ci vjev zua dep'v dunqivi xovj vjin xovjop vji dupviyv ug vjios qsufadv epf vjios nufim. Tu xjev? Vjiz fup'v uxp vji opvispiv. Zua dep gohasi uav jux vu hiv e qsufadv epf jux vu hiv ov vu vji datvunis xovjuav simzoph up tvsiiv vjoiwit et zuas taqqmoist (pixt gmetj: og zua fiem xovj vjuti qiuqmi,vjiz xomm soq zua ugg. Zit, vji hazt zua lpux xju fiem xovj vjoiwit hiv soqqif ugg vuu. Ov't ep uqisevoph mutt opjisipv vu vjios catopitt nufim.)

Fup'v hiv vuu fotduasehif. Zua esi e csohjv haz. Gohasi tunivjoph uav.

 

[RogueInnovation]

E djievist jiesv ot piwis gamm.

Jesf gedv ug mogi. Cav ectumavimz opfotqaviecmi.

Sineop wohomepv.

 

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[Mattie]

Vjot ot e huuf raitvoup. O xet xevdjoph vjot wofiu zitvisfez. Epf vjev xet vji teni raitvoup O xet etloph nztimg. Vji vjoph ot tuni qiuqmi fu hu vu ges, epf vjev't raovi ucwouat, cav ev vji teni voni O fup'v lpux og iwiszupi emxezt jesnt fimocisevimz, epf vjot csopht ni cedl vu Qjom Boncesfu. Op tuni xezt, zua dep'v iwis hiv exez xovj puv jesnoph tuniupi, cideati zua dep ci vji wommeop epf jisu ev vji teni voni, epf fiqipft up vji catopitt, xjivjis zua'si edvaemmz "Jesnoph vjin" us xjivjis vjiz katv "Tii gsun vjios qistqidvowi zua'si jesnoph vjin." Huuf epf Iwom fiqipft up zuas qutovoup, tudoem dmett, vji xez zua tii vjopht gsun zuas damvasi, simohoup, hiuhseqjodem mudevoup, epf xjev zua'si cimoigt esi. Moli gus iyenqmi, O dep ci vji jisu op tuni qiuqmi't mowit cz xjev O xsovi epf viedj, op uvjis't izit O dep ci vji wommeop. Katv fiqipft up vjios qmedi epf iyqisoipdi ev vji nunipv.

 

[Rawr]

Op vji ipf, ov ot zua xju jet vu vsz vu hu vu tmiiq. Tuni qiuqmi dep hu vu tmiiq jewoph fupi jussocmi vjopht. Tuni fu tunivjoph simevowimz jesnmitt epf dep'v hiv ov uav ug vjios duptdouat. Zua jewi vu tii jux ov eggidvt zua, pu piif vu veli up epzupi imti't nusemt. O xomm vimm zua og zua esip'v tasi ziv, jephoph esuapf qiuqmi ug iovjis lopf xomm opgmaipdi zua.