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POLL: Side effects from recent vaxcination? Or none?

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What is your VAX status and the outcome?

  • Got VAXed, no side effects whatsoever.

    Votes: 54 20.7%
  • Got VAXed, minimal side effects, I'm good now.

    Votes: 67 25.7%
  • Got VAXed, experiencing concerning side effects

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Got VAXed, experiencing bad side effects

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Got VAXed, eperiencing new health issues, not sure if related to VAX

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Not VAXed, but plan to eventually (0-3 months)

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Not VAXed, but plan to eventually (3-12 months)

    Votes: 5 1.9%
  • Not VAXed, but plan to eventually (1 year +)

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Not VAXed, don't plan on it.

    Votes: 120 46.0%

  • Total voters
    261

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 968966" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=968966" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-968966">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It was a good podcast and he did make some good points about why you should get vaxinated.<br /> <br /> Joe Rogan can tend to talk over guests and bully them as he&#039;s a good speaker, and he did that to the Dr at times which I found was him being not open to new information or a challenge of his hypothesis.<br /> <br /> Overall I learned a bit.<br /> <br /> I still wouldn&#039;t have taken the V personally but I didn&#039;t have much of a choice.<br /> <br /> I have had my first dose and regretted it instantly.<br /> <br /> My second dose will bring double the regret.<br /> <br /> I just don&#039;t see another option... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;m really sorry that you&#039;ve been forced into a decision you didn&#039;t want to do. <br /> <br /> Jut curious... What factors led this to look like an inevitable conclusion for you? How did they make it so that you didn&#039;t really have an option?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 59397" data-quote="Bekit" data-source="post: 968988" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=968988" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-968988">Bekit said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I&#039;m really sorry that you&#039;ve been forced into a decision you didn&#039;t want to do.<br /> <br /> Jut curious... What factors led this to look like an inevitable conclusion for you? How did they make it so that you didn&#039;t really have an option? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> It is what it is and thanks.<br /> <br /> These factors:<br /> <br /> I can&#039;t work if I don&#039;t get vaxinated.<br /> If I do work and my employer is ok with it even though I am unvaxinated he faces a $100,000 fine.<br /> I cant leave the country without being vaxinated<br /> I can&#039;t go shopping without it.<br /> I can&#039;t go to the pub.<br /> I can&#039;t go to events.<br /> <br /> Basically, I cannot participate in society at all without getting it.<br /> <br /> This is the level of psychopathy in Victoria where I live.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="249988" data-url="https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVMQOpMgxDt/?hl=en" data-host="www.instagram.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-iad3-2.cdninstagram.com%2Fv%2Ft51.29350-15%2F246180984_455862169186670_4528372644658213724_n.jpg%3Fstp%3Dcmp1_dst-jpg_s640x640%26_nc_cat%3D100%26ccb%3D1-7%26_nc_sid%3D18de74%26_nc_ohc%3Dzd91lnmat_IQ7kNvgHuZhPt%26_nc_ht%3Dscontent-iad3-2.cdninstagram.com%26_nc_gid%3DAaZzab1hxYzbNmnaShzPBOJ%26oh%3D00_AYAGjaUo5q6pN-WAyLhOsDHVmGQfKpQZQSUEG_ZO8_nmMQ%26oe%3D66EE62C9&amp;hash=6bb7cf5304f3dc244aee1db57583d50a&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.instagram.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVMQOpMgxDt/?hl=en" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Rukshan Fernando on Instagram: &quot;Premier Daniel Andrews today stated in no uncertain terms that unvaccinated Victorians will remain excluded from economic and social activities well into 2022. Even if 90% of the Victorian community is vaccinated, th </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">4,503 likes, 3,119 comments - therealrukshan on October 18, 2021: &quot;Premier Daniel Andrews today stated in no uncertain terms that unvaxinated Victorians will remain excluded from economic and social activities well into 2022. Even if 90% of the Victorian community is vaxinated, the Premier...</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.cdninstagram.com%2Frsrc.php%2Fv3%2FyI%2Fr%2FVsNE-OHk_8a.png&amp;hash=14103f35ee7c82a73e960443a5574367&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.instagram.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.instagram.com </div> </div> </div> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 968966" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=968966" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-968966">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It was a good podcast and he did make some good points about why you should get vaxinated.<br /> <br /> Joe Rogan can tend to talk over guests and bully them as he&#039;s a good speaker, and he did that to the Dr at times which I found was him being not open to new information or a challenge of his hypothesis.<br /> <br /> Overall I learned a bit.<br /> <br /> I still wouldn&#039;t have taken the V personally but I didn&#039;t have much of a choice.<br /> <br /> I have had my first dose and regretted it instantly.<br /> <br /> My second dose will bring double the regret.<br /> <br /> I just don&#039;t see another option... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I disagree, I think despite joe priming the dr with complements about how open minded and willing to change his mind he was the dr was not at all open minded, he had made his mind up that he had come on the show to push the vaccine to Joes audience and that’s what he tried to do.<br /> <br /> I have been given the ultimatum as well, get vaxinated or lose your 100k+ a year job. I have been trying to read as much propaganda as I can to convince myself to get vaxinated but I just can’t do it, it does not make sense at all.<br /> <br /> Your feeling of regret after getting your first dose comforts me that I’m making the right choice. It’s one thing to decide to get it. It’s another to actually go there and let them put that shit in your body. I just can’t see myself doing it.<br /> <br /> Things are changing so fast with the info around effectiveness, how deadly the virus is, rules, that I think if I just ride it out the truth will prevail. A better vaccine is sure to come a long as well, or a treatment that renders the vaccine useless, or you know, a passport for natural antibodies.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969053" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969053" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969053">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I disagree, I think despite joe priming the dr with complements about how open minded and willing to change his mind he was the dr was not at all open minded, he had made his mind up that he had come on the show to push the VAXClNE to Joes audience and that’s what he tried to do.<br /> <br /> I have been given the ultimatum as well, get vaxinated or lose your 100k+ a year job. I have been trying to read as much propaganda as I can to convince myself to get vaxinated but I just can’t do it, it does not make sense at all.<br /> <br /> Your feeling of regret after getting your first dose comforts me that I’m making the right choice. It’s one thing to decide to get it. It’s another to actually go there and let them put that shit in your body. I just can’t see myself doing it.<br /> <br /> Things are changing so fast with the info around effectiveness, how deadly the virus is, rules, that I think if I just ride it out the truth will prevail. A better VAXClNE is sure to come a long as well, or a treatment that renders the VAXClNE useless, or you know, a passport for natural antibodies. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeh it&#039;s a tough one, I can see both sides and am an avid Joe Rogan listener myself, but I am very open to listening to the perspective of people that oppose my views.<br /> <br /> They both had biases, but I was paying close attention to him and what he said as he opposes my current view on the necessity of vaccination for someone like myself.<br /> <br /> That&#039;s the thing, isn&#039;t it? I do not want my second dose, but if I want to leave what else can I do? wait and hope?<br /> <br /> Yeh mate it&#039;s a terrible situation to be put in and I feel for you as we are one in the same buddy. The regret makes me want to not get the second dose. I just donno if I see a way out of it.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969053" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969053" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969053">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I disagree, I think despite joe priming the dr with complements about how open minded and willing to change his mind he was the dr was not at all open minded, he had made his mind up that he had come on the show to push the VAXClNE to Joes audience and that’s what he tried to do.<br /> <br /> I have been given the ultimatum as well, get vaxinated or lose your 100k+ a year job. I have been trying to read as much propaganda as I can to convince myself to get vaxinated but I just can’t do it, it does not make sense at all.<br /> <br /> Your feeling of regret after getting your first dose comforts me that I’m making the right choice. It’s one thing to decide to get it. It’s another to actually go there and let them put that shit in your body. I just can’t see myself doing it.<br /> <br /> Things are changing so fast with the info around effectiveness, how deadly the virus is, rules, that I think if I just ride it out the truth will prevail. A better VAXClNE is sure to come a long as well, or a treatment that renders the VAXClNE useless, or you know, a passport for natural antibodies. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Take all 50 doses and then run like F*ck before they force the 51st</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 969056" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969056" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969056">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yeh it&#039;s a tough one, I can see both sides and am an avid Joe Rogan listener myself, but I am very open to listening to the perspective of people that oppose my views.<br /> <br /> They both had biases, but I was paying close attention to him and what he said as he opposes my current view on the necessity of vaccination for someone like myself.<br /> <br /> That&#039;s the thing, isn&#039;t it? I do not want my second dose, but if I want to leave what else can I do? wait and hope?<br /> <br /> Yeh mate it&#039;s a terrible situation to be put in and I feel for you as we are one in the same buddy. The regret makes me want to not get the second dose. I just donno if I see a way out of it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> My only 2c would be to take into account the full decision you&#039;re really making - which is whether to sign up for a Freedom-as-a-Service plan where your life is rented back to you in exchange for your six-monthly booster, in perpetuity. Does that change the calculus for you?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 969056" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969056" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969056">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yeh it&#039;s a tough one, I can see both sides and am an avid Joe Rogan listener myself, but I am very open to listening to the perspective of people that oppose my views.<br /> <br /> They both had biases, but I was paying close attention to him and what he said as he opposes my current view on the necessity of vaccination for someone like myself.<br /> <br /> That&#039;s the thing, isn&#039;t it? I do not want my second dose, but if I want to leave what else can I do? wait and hope?<br /> <br /> Yeh mate it&#039;s a terrible situation to be put in and I feel for you as we are one in the same buddy. The regret makes me want to not get the second dose. I just donno if I see a way out of it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Theres a comforting angle/way to look at it. People like him and politicians want everyone vaxinated because as he touched on it’s what’s best for the community as a whole. He didn’t really have any argument as to why someone who is young and healthy would get the vaccine other than that and that’s because there just isn’t one. These politicians etc want everything to open up and they want to do it without people dying because that’s the best case scenario for them which is why they would push for this. Nothing sinister.<br /> <br /> Or you can look at the other angle, there’s no point in getting vaxinated with an experimental vaccine against a virus that probably won’t harm you so therefore they are making you get it for some sinister reason, and the lockdowns are sinister as well they want to destroy businesses. If they didn’t lock down tho people would say they are letting people die to keep businesses open. <br /> <br /> They also touched on the virus being man made and funded by USA and how it was all covered up. So was this a conspiracy to start a pandemic on purpose or was it an accident. They are going to cover it up either way.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 44336" data-quote="Thoelt53" data-source="post: 968865" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=968865" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-968865">Thoelt53 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It’s a vascular disease. Probably some type of vascular damage that is causing inflammation to the olfactory system. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> The doctor did mention that it is a vascular disease. But then why did taking a micro dose of Psilocybin for <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/66764/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="66764" data-username="@AceVentures">@AceVentures</a> bring his sense of smell back. Did it just decrease inflammation? If so, how come nothing else he took or did before that achieve the same result? I&#039;m not doubting anything, I&#039;m just asking questions to try to understand what&#039;s going on.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 27444" data-quote="Contrarian" data-source="post: 969058" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969058" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969058">Contrarian said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> My only 2c would be to take into account the full decision you&#039;re really making - which is whether to sign up for a Freedom-as-a-Service plan where your life is rented back to you in exchange for your six-monthly booster, in perpetuity. Does that change the calculus for you? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I know this is likely to become a shifting goal post but one interesting point from the interview was that it’s not a booster every 6 months which is what I thought it was too. It’s one booster after 6 months and that’s it, which is apparently common for different vaccines. It’s also only being suggested for older and at risk people, which makes me wonder why the vaccine as a whole isn’t just suggested for older and at risk people.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969061" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969061" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969061">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I know this is likely to become a shifting goal post but one interesting point from the interview was that it’s not a booster every 6 months which is what I thought it was too. It’s one booster after 6 months and that’s it, which is apparently common for different vaccines. It’s also only being suggested for older and at risk people, which makes me wonder why the VAXClNE as a whole isn’t just suggested for older and at risk people. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Of course it&#039;s a shifting goal. That&#039;s how obedience training works. No-one is going to all these incredible lengths to create the architecture of totalitarianism just so they can make sure the last 20% of holdouts get those three shots that don&#039;t even work just so they can shut it all down again next year.<br /> <br /> Remember, it&#039;s just two weeks to flatten the curve.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I would rather pay somebody to get the papers than get the vax against my will <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/57545/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="57545" data-username="@Timmy C">@Timmy C</a> not an option ? Also taking what aceventures took can protect you when you get the shot . I hate that they put you in that situation, basic freedoms shouldn&#039;t be tied to some health product. Heart attacks are the main cause of deaths, did they ban mc donalds, coca cola ? No, but they ban healthy unvaxinated people from society, so wicked...</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969061" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969061" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969061">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I know this is likely to become a shifting goal post but one interesting point from the interview was that it’s not a booster every 6 months which is what I thought it was too. It’s one booster after 6 months and that’s it, which is apparently common for different vaccines. It’s also only being suggested for older and at risk people, which makes me wonder why the VAXClNE as a whole isn’t just suggested for older and at risk people. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Yeh, and old mate Daniel Andrews is demanding we take infinite boosters based on his latest indoctrination press conference.<br /> <br /> Who knows what he does.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 969056" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969056" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969056">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Yeh mate it&#039;s a terrible situation to be put in and I feel for you as we are one in the same buddy. The regret makes me want to not get the second dose. I just donno if I see a way out of it. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Im just lucky I’m in a position where I can afford to wait a while longer but it’s still a huge financial loss especially if I end up having to get jabbed eventually anyway, it would all be for nothing</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 51887" data-quote="Matt Sun" data-source="post: 969063" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969063" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969063">Matt Sun said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I would rather pay somebody to get the papers than get the vax against my will <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/57545/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="57545" data-username="@Timmy C">@Timmy C</a> not an option ? Also taking what aceventures took can protect you when you get the shot . I hate that they put you in that situation, basic freedoms shouldn&#039;t be tied to some health product. Heart attacks are the main cause of deaths, did they ban mc donalds, coca cola ? No, but they ban healthy unvaxinated people from society, so wicked... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>It’s even worse where Tim lives, they have opened pubs and gyms are still closed ???</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969065" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969065" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969065">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Im just lucky I’m in a position where I can afford to wait a while longer but it’s still a huge financial loss especially if I end up having to get jabbed eventually anyway, it would all be for nothing </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I can afford to wait myself, but it&#039;s probably going to be futile I think.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t see the point in waiting for nothing.<br /> <br /> I could go without work for a while.<br /> <br /> Maybe waiting is the way... But then im stuck here</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I paid 28 dollars for my &quot;two astrazeneca shots&quot;. Inmense value for little money. I recommended the girl that did it to more people and hope she gets very rich. The people were very thankful. Strange times.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 969067" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969067" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969067">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I can afford to wait myself, but it&#039;s probably going to be futile I think.<br /> <br /> I don&#039;t see the point in waiting for nothing.<br /> <br /> I could go without work for a while.<br /> <br /> Maybe waiting is the way... But then im stuck here </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Can you get into Queensland if you quarantine? Not saying it’s going to be better here forever in fact it probably won’t but it has certainly been a good place to be this whole time</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969080" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969080" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969080">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Can you get into Queensland if you quarantine? Not saying it’s going to be better here forever in fact it probably won’t but it has certainly been a good place to be this whole time </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I will have to come up and say hello mate.<br /> <br /> Where in Brisbane are you?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 55234" data-quote="Antifragile" data-source="post: 967286" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=967286" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-967286">Antifragile said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> MJ, I can’t see a global kleptocracy power having the reach you imply. If there was a safe cure, cheap and accessible - it would have been used. By doctors, by some countries to take advantage of developed world problems and supply chain issues.<br /> <br /> sure, no big pharma will invest in something that won’t make them money. But to think there is global conspiracy?<br /> <br /> too bad the VAXClNE isn’t safe yet, it was rushed… it sucks that’s the case. And it’s sucks people died from the virus too. It all sucks. Selfishly, I’m glad my two shots didn’t have any bad impact on me or anyone who I know personally. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> For a long time I did not believe that either, but as time has gone on it has appeared to me that some sort of global kleptocracy power grab is a very likely possibility. If you take a look at what the world economic forum is saying outload, what there vision for the future is, and look at who is participating in these groups - there are just too many direct correlations to that goal and the things we see going on today.<br /> <br /> Look at the messaging of governments worldwide, it&#039;s nearly identical- what&#039;s the probability of that being a coincidence? Or are they all coordinating?<br /> <br /> Look at news media all over, it&#039;s all on point, nearly identical everywhere but given the air of authenticity. If you haven&#039;t seen it watch this.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="W4N88w8TYms"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/W4N88w8TYms?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">View: https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> This is obvious manufactured consensus. In the medical field, the story of scientific or medical consensus about covid, treatment, and recommendations is likewise manufactured. This has been done several ways.<br /> <br /> First, a large number, probably the vast majority, of medical professionals use an appeal to authority heuristic...meaning that they listen to what the CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID say and put in zero effort to research or look into things themselves. People are busy, and it&#039;s a mental short cut that is usually pretty reliable.<br /> <br /> There are then a group of professionals that have done research, have reached different conclusions than the consensus, but are self censoring what they say and also not practicing medicine the way they believe is correct...Now why on earth would people do this. The answer is clear, because there are threats of being censored online, there are threats of losing your hospital privilege&#039;s, there are even threats of losing your medical license entirely if you do not tow the &quot;official&quot; narrative, recommendations, and treatments for covid.<br /> <br /> The last group, which is a fairly tiny group, is the professionals sticking their neck out there to talk about things opening, asking valid unanswered questions, and raising alarm about thing that are clear risks and unknowns. But this group is being actively censored, attacked, having their hospital privilege&#039;s or medical licenses revoked.<br /> <br /> The net effect of is that there is the appearance of consensus. The professionals that are sheep follow their leaders without questioning, the fearful stop talking for fear of reprisal, and the bold are silenced, censored, and punished.<br /> <br /> I do not believe that we would see this radical departure from how medicine has worked for the past several hundred years, unless there was a greater purpose being derived from the pandemic...I do not believe that event 201 carried out in October 2019 would so closely mimic this pandemic unless they were somehow correlated...I do not believe the that the WEF 2030 agenda is a joke but an actual end goal that leaders around the world are all working towards.<br /> <br /> This I have come to believe is what MJ is referring to, from all the evidence it makes more sense to me than all the current nonsense going on in medicine, that fundamentally is a reversal and departure from how medicine has been practiced for hundreds of years.<br /> <br /> Here is just on illustration of this point. All of this data can be seen on<br /> <br /> <a href="http://ivmmeta.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">http://ivmmeta.com</a> <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1634623441082-webp.40393/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/37/37021-3cac7eba52d691c6bef0ff84b959502b.jpg?hash=t3NSB7nAAq" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1634623441082.png" title="1634623441082.png" width="408" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> This table above is for the I-drug that receives so much hate. The first 2 lines show two different (non-covid) indications to administer this drug and the number of studies and patients in those studies to gain approval. As you can see with 5 and 10 studies and 591 and 852 patients in those studies respectively the I-drug was recommended by the WHO for treatment of those diseases. With covid there have been 63 total studies with 47,437 patients and of those studies 30 where randomized controlled trials (the hailed gold standard) with 6,368 patients - what is the status from the WHO, still pending....why? Why such a discrepancy in the standard of data required to get something approved?<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1634623462341-webp.40394/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/37/37022-8bbfcac9e62675fbf16fadb365ff9d16.jpg?hash=Me-7NyhfX5" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1634623462341.png" title="1634623462341.png" width="502" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> This table shows the studies required in the UK and USA for emergency use authorization of different drugs. As you can see these three treatments were approved each with 1 study each and between 799-1,779 patients in each study...For the I-drug with 63 studies from around the world with 47,437 patients....still pending.<br /> <br /> But why? that&#039;s the question I keep asking...and I can only speculate on the answer. The only explanation I have come up with is that if there is a cheap drug widely available then it makes the pandemic manageable, and they do not want a manageable pandemic. They want something scary to motivate people to do or accept things that they normally would not....be it vaccine passports, be it erosion of freedoms, etc....<br /> <br /> Putting everything together, I it&#039;s hard not to see the real possibility of a small powerful group of people pulling the strings of governments all around the world working towards a worldwide unified outcome. If this is not the case, how is all the unified messaging occurring, why are the pathways of how the pandemic is being handles from quarantines, suppression of information that doesn&#039;t support the narrative, denying medical professionals the freedom to practice medicine freely, vaccines, and vaccines passports being implemented in similar fashion all over the world (albeit on different timeframes)? I genuinely hope that is not the case, but it&#039;s impossible to ignore all the things pointing towards that being the case.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 26815" data-quote="GIlman" data-source="post: 969087" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969087" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969087">GIlman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For a long time I did not believe that either, but as time has gone on it has appeared to me that some sort of global kleptocracy power grab is a very likely possibility. If you take a look at what the world economic forum is saying outload, what there vision for the future is, and look at who is participating in these groups - there are just too many direct correlations to that goal and the things we see going on today.<br /> <br /> Look at the messaging of governments worldwide, it&#039;s nearly identical- what&#039;s the probability of that being a coincidence? Or are they all coordinating?<br /> <br /> Look at news media all over, it&#039;s all on point, nearly identical everywhere but given the air of authenticity. If you haven&#039;t seen it watch this.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="W4N88w8TYms"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/W4N88w8TYms?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">View: https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> This is obvious manufactured consensus. In the medical field, the story of scientific or medical consensus about C0VlD, treatment, and recommendations is likewise manufactured. This has been done several ways.<br /> <br /> First, a large number, probably the vast majority, of medical professionals use an appeal to authority heuristic...meaning that they listen to what the CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID say and put in zero effort to research or look into things themselves. People are busy, and it&#039;s a mental short cut that is usually pretty reliable.<br /> <br /> There are then a group of professionals that have done research, have reached different conclusions than the consensus, but are self censoring what they say and also not practicing medicine the way they believe is correct...Now why on earth would people do this. The answer is clear, because there are threats of being censored online, there are threats of losing your hospital privilege&#039;s, there are even threats of losing your medical license entirely if you do not tow the &quot;official&quot; narrative, recommendations, and treatments for C0VlD.<br /> <br /> The last group, which is a fairly tiny group, is the professionals sticking their neck out there to talk about things opening, asking valid unanswered questions, and raising alarm about thing that are clear risks and unknowns. But this group is being actively censored, attacked, having their hospital privilege&#039;s or medical licenses revoked.<br /> <br /> The net effect of is that there is the appearance of consensus. The professionals that are sheep follow their leaders without questioning, the fearful stop talking for fear of reprisal, and the bold are silenced, censored, and punished.<br /> <br /> I do not believe that we would see this radical departure from how medicine has worked for the past several hundred years, unless there was a greater purpose being derived from the pandemic...I do not believe that event 201 carried out in October 2019 would so closely mimic this pandemic unless they were somehow correlated...I do not believe the that the WEF 2030 agenda is a joke but an actual end goal that leaders around the world are all working towards.<br /> <br /> This I have come to believe is what MJ is referring to, from all the evidence it makes more sense to me than all the current nonsense going on in medicine, that fundamentally is a reversal and departure from how medicine has been practiced for hundreds of years.<br /> <br /> Here is just on illustration of this point. All of this data can be seen on<br /> <br /> <a href="http://ivmmeta.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://ivmmeta.com</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40393/" target="_blank">View attachment 40393</a><br /> <br /> This table above is for the I-drug that receives so much hate. The first 2 lines show two different (non-C0VlD) indications to administer this drug and the number of studies and patients in those studies to gain approval. As you can see with 5 and 10 studies and 591 and 852 patients in those studies respectively the I-drug was recommended by the WHO for treatment of those diseases. With C0VlD there have been 63 total studies with 47,437 patients and of those studies 30 where randomized controlled trials (the hailed gold standard) with 6,368 patients - what is the status from the WHO, still pending....why? Why such a discrepancy in the standard of data required to get something approved?<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40394/" target="_blank">View attachment 40394</a><br /> <br /> This table shows the studies required in the UK and USA for emergency use authorization of different drugs. As you can see these three treatments were approved each with 1 study each and between 799-1,779 patients in each study...For the I-drug with 63 studies from around the world with 47,437 patients....still pending.<br /> <br /> But why? that&#039;s the question I keep asking...and I can only speculate on the answer. The only explanation I have come up with is that if there is a cheap drug widely available then it makes the pandemic manageable, and they do not want a manageable pandemic. They want something scary to motivate people to do or accept things that they normally would not....be it VAXClNE passports, be it erosion of freedoms, etc....<br /> <br /> Putting everything together, I it&#039;s hard not to see the real possibility of a small powerful group of people pulling the strings of governments all around the world working towards a worldwide unified outcome. If this is not the case, how is all the unified messaging occurring, why are the pathways of how the pandemic is being handles from quarantines, suppression of information that doesn&#039;t support the narrative, denying medical professionals the freedom to practice medicine freely, vaccines, and vaccines passports being implemented in similar fashion all over the world (albeit on different timeframes)? I genuinely hope that is not the case, but it&#039;s impossible to ignore all the things pointing towards that being the case. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>One of my BHAGs is to get invited to the most powerful rooms in Davos. One day, if I ever make it there, I&#039;ll know if such power exists and I&#039;ll tell you fellow Fastlaners. That is unless they make me swear to secrecy. Hmmm...<br /> <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/26815/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="26815" data-username="@GIlman">@GIlman</a><br /> <br /> I saw the convergence of the news way before most people on this forum. Bold claim, I know. But brainwashing propaganda is the same across the world, it&#039;s not exclusive to the &quot;land of the free&quot;. How is it that during the Cold War you&#039;d have same propaganda (think movie Rocky but reverse countries and you&#039;ve now got a Soviet movie, keep the plot)? Different &quot;at war&quot; countries and yet message is the same?<br /> <br /> Simple: convergence of what works. It is not a sign of world wide conspiracy, it&#039;s just a convergence of what works.<br /> <br /> We humans are violent species . We always fight and compete (bring on the hate from the &quot;we&#039;ve evolved to be nice crowd&quot;, I am ready for it). That&#039;s why we have always been at war. These days you get a spike in depression because of the comforts we have at home. We&#039;ve solved food problem etc.<br /> <br /> Where am I going with this? I trust humans to do what humans do best. To not get along on the world-wide arena. To fight with each other for more power or some personal ideal outcome. Think French Revolution King Louis XVI being beheaded in big part by the role played by Georges Danton, only later to meet same fate. Georges Danton created the monster that killed him.<br /> <br /> Look back in history and you’ll see humans continue to be humans.<br /> <br /> that’s why I don’t see a few people running the world agenda. They wouldn’t get along with enough other power hungry people to make that a reality. <br /> <br /> there is no room big enough to fit in such big egos! <br /> <br /> correlation vs causation.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 57545" data-quote="Timmy C" data-source="post: 969084" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969084" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969084">Timmy C said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I will have to come up and say hello mate.<br /> <br /> Where in Brisbane are you? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>For sure, I’m in Sunshine Coast, you’ve got me on telegram just message me<br /> <br /> I’ll buy you a beer with some of the money I made off your stx tip</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 22018" data-quote="MitchC" data-source="post: 969110" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969110" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969110">MitchC said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For sure, I’m in Sunshine Coast, you’ve got me on telegram just message me<br /> <br /> I’ll buy you a beer with some of the money I made off your stx tip </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Will do buddy.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Another option for this is to not be bullied and try to hold out. How long until all these businesses, healthcare, government revenue etc etc all crumble when on top of the crap going on 30% of all revenues and employees suddenly disappear?<br /> <br /> Healthcare workers in Quebec are refusing it and there is something like 25,000 who were supposed to be fired on October 15. They still refused and the government &quot;extended&quot; the date out one more month. What happens when they never comply? The government tyrants are the ones who will be forced to give in, not the workers. <br /> <br /> Healthcare is already short staffed. Where are they magically going to find 25,000 more workers? The answer is they won&#039;t.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">What I think is happening is that people are stepping out of the arena. That&#039;s an emergent pattern that is super bullish to me. People doubting the healthcare system? Good - opportunity to do some critical thinking about health and vitality from a more empowering standpoint. People doubting the education system? Good - opportunity to rethink your child&#039;s education, be it home-schooling or other creative solutions *cough*INTERNET*cough* I mean I really don&#039;t understand how people could be sending their kids in these cesspools of shit ideas at public institutions when we have something like the internet at our fingertips? Classrooms led by people that aren&#039;t necessarily educators, aren&#039;t passionate and knowledgeable and capable of leading a group of young people - no they are most times an underpaid and undereducated person. People doubting the tech companies? Good - opportunity to try other products and services that reduce your attack vectors.<br /> <br /> I for one am eager to support anybody that has been laid off or has resigned as a function of mandatory vaccinations. All the healthcare workers that are being let go - how can we support them? Hey let&#039;s set up of local clinics - let&#039;s get you an online website going - let&#039;s try to get you plugged into the community so we can serve each other. One doctor, one farmer, one plumber, one pastry chef, can all serve and support each other.<br /> <br /> This type of dynamic is also accelerated with the use of crypto rails. We are beginning to see open-sourcing of everything - the sharing of data, information, knowledge, wisdom, art, creativity, and archive after archive of human behavior that we can all draw from. We&#039;ve never had this power to find consensus amongst each other using the internet. In my estimation, the F*ckery we are seeing today is not new - but it&#039;s instead the internet that has greatly sharpened our collective awareness of what&#039;s going on in the world. Notice how despite the mass &quot;censorship&quot; and the straight up lies our administration has been telling us - most people seem to <i>know. </i>Most people intuitively feel there is something wrong. How could that be? If they&#039;re effectively doing their job, how is it that we know what&#039;s going on? Because there are too many leaks. You can&#039;t catch a waterfall with a bucket. This is Youtube&#039;s banning of &quot;vaccine misinformation&quot; idea. Ok sure buddy go ahead - that doesn&#039;t stop the idea from existing and spreading. All it takes nowadays is ONE meme. One meme and within 24 hours the entire globe can know that idea. This meme by the way can transmute across endless mediums and platforms. You can&#039;t kill an idea - and memes are the most powerful vehicle for quickly transmitting an idea to another person.<br /> <br /> Every yin has a yang. Corruption of the few, the power structures used by previous generations, have led way to the creation of alternative solutions. NIH/CDC abusing their roles to fund public health? Good, let&#039;s build open-source alternatives so that everyone can share the learnings and the fruits of the labor. Oh and hey let&#039;s give IP and other intellectual and financial ownership incentives to people that support this research.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/1634657950365-webp.40404/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/37/37032-cd9864e5c57cae2e443fa1752faeb42b.jpg?hash=mnc0fIOUSO" class="bbImage " style="" alt="1634657950365.png" title="1634657950365.png" width="360" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> What if you didn&#039;t need to suck Fauci&#039;s cock to get your research funded? What now? There is much wizardry in this world we have yet to see - mainly because this form of wizardry would empower us too much and break the chains of servitude. These ideas about how the world works, about what this all means, and what our role in this place is, have been previously shut-down using money and hierarchical power structures. With open-science, we may begin to see a new era of magic.<br /> <br /> Every yin has a yang.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 66764" data-quote="AceVentures" data-source="post: 969128" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969128" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969128">AceVentures said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What I think is happening is that people are stepping out of the arena. That&#039;s an emergent pattern that is super bullish to me. People doubting the healthcare system? Good - opportunity to do some critical thinking about health and vitality from a more empowering standpoint. People doubting the education system? Good - opportunity to rethink your child&#039;s education, be it home-schooling or other creative solutions *cough*INTERNET*cough* I mean I really don&#039;t understand how people could be sending their kids in these cesspools of shit ideas at public institutions when we have something like the internet at our fingertips? Classrooms led by people that aren&#039;t necessarily educators, aren&#039;t passionate and knowledgeable and capable of leading a group of young people - no they are most times an underpaid and undereducated person. People doubting the tech companies? Good - opportunity to try other products and services that reduce your attack vectors.<br /> <br /> I for one am eager to support anybody that has been laid off or has resigned as a function of mandatory vaccinations. All the healthcare workers that are being let go - how can we support them? Hey let&#039;s set up of local clinics - let&#039;s get you an online website going - let&#039;s try to get you plugged into the community so we can serve each other. One doctor, one farmer, one plumber, one pastry chef, can all serve and support each other.<br /> <br /> This type of dynamic is also accelerated with the use of crypto rails. We are beginning to see open-sourcing of everything - the sharing of data, information, knowledge, wisdom, art, creativity, and archive after archive of human behavior that we can all draw from. We&#039;ve never had this power to find consensus amongst each other using the internet. In my estimation, the f*ckery we are seeing today is not new - but it&#039;s instead the internet that has greatly sharpened our collective awareness of what&#039;s going on in the world. Notice how despite the mass &quot;censorship&quot; and the straight up lies our administration has been telling us - most people seem to <i>know. </i>Most people intuitively feel there is something wrong. How could that be? If they&#039;re effectively doing their job, how is it that we know what&#039;s going on? Because there are too many leaks. You can&#039;t catch a waterfall with a bucket. This is Youtube&#039;s banning of &quot;VAXClNE misinformation&quot; idea. Ok sure buddy go ahead - that doesn&#039;t stop the idea from existing and spreading. All it takes nowadays is ONE meme. One meme and within 24 hours the entire globe can know that idea. This meme by the way can transmute across endless mediums and platforms. You can&#039;t kill an idea - and memes are the most powerful vehicle for quickly transmitting an idea to another person.<br /> <br /> Every yin has a yang. Corruption of the few, the power structures used by previous generations, have led way to the creation of alternative solutions. NIH/CDC abusing their roles to fund public health? Good, let&#039;s build open-source alternatives so that everyone can share the learnings and the fruits of the labor. Oh and hey let&#039;s give IP and other intellectual and financial ownership incentives to people that support this research.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40404/" target="_blank">View attachment 40404</a><br /> <br /> What if you didn&#039;t need to suck Fauci&#039;s cock to get your research funded? What now? There is much wizardry in this world we have yet to see - mainly because this form of wizardry would empower us too much and break the chains of servitude. These ideas about how the world works, about what this all means, and what our role in this place is, have been previously shut-down using money and hierarchical power structures. With open-science, we may begin to see a new era of magic.<br /> <br /> Every yin has a yang. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Love this. Maybe it&#039;s just a feeling but it seems like people are starting to become more aware and I&#039;m bullish humanity.<br /> <br /> Also back on topic anecdotally I have some fully vaxinated friends of friends suffering with bad covid symptoms when they contract it. Also data in the UK is showing that the vaccine isn&#039;t really slowing transmission all that much.<br /> <br /> Prepare for the worst but hope for the best. I&#039;m curious to see how things unfold globally in the coming months</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 26815" data-quote="GIlman" data-source="post: 969087" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969087" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969087">GIlman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For a long time I did not believe that either, but as time has gone on it has appeared to me that some sort of global kleptocracy power grab is a very likely possibility. If you take a look at what the world economic forum is saying outload, what there vision for the future is, and look at who is participating in these groups - there are just too many direct correlations to that goal and the things we see going on today.<br /> <br /> Look at the messaging of governments worldwide, it&#039;s nearly identical- what&#039;s the probability of that being a coincidence? Or are they all coordinating?<br /> <br /> Look at news media all over, it&#039;s all on point, nearly identical everywhere but given the air of authenticity. If you haven&#039;t seen it watch this.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="W4N88w8TYms"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/W4N88w8TYms?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">View: https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> This is obvious manufactured consensus. In the medical field, the story of scientific or medical consensus about C0VlD, treatment, and recommendations is likewise manufactured. This has been done several ways.<br /> <br /> First, a large number, probably the vast majority, of medical professionals use an appeal to authority heuristic...meaning that they listen to what the CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID say and put in zero effort to research or look into things themselves. People are busy, and it&#039;s a mental short cut that is usually pretty reliable.<br /> <br /> There are then a group of professionals that have done research, have reached different conclusions than the consensus, but are self censoring what they say and also not practicing medicine the way they believe is correct...Now why on earth would people do this. The answer is clear, because there are threats of being censored online, there are threats of losing your hospital privilege&#039;s, there are even threats of losing your medical license entirely if you do not tow the &quot;official&quot; narrative, recommendations, and treatments for C0VlD.<br /> <br /> The last group, which is a fairly tiny group, is the professionals sticking their neck out there to talk about things opening, asking valid unanswered questions, and raising alarm about thing that are clear risks and unknowns. But this group is being actively censored, attacked, having their hospital privilege&#039;s or medical licenses revoked.<br /> <br /> The net effect of is that there is the appearance of consensus. The professionals that are sheep follow their leaders without questioning, the fearful stop talking for fear of reprisal, and the bold are silenced, censored, and punished.<br /> <br /> I do not believe that we would see this radical departure from how medicine has worked for the past several hundred years, unless there was a greater purpose being derived from the pandemic...I do not believe that event 201 carried out in October 2019 would so closely mimic this pandemic unless they were somehow correlated...I do not believe the that the WEF 2030 agenda is a joke but an actual end goal that leaders around the world are all working towards.<br /> <br /> This I have come to believe is what MJ is referring to, from all the evidence it makes more sense to me than all the current nonsense going on in medicine, that fundamentally is a reversal and departure from how medicine has been practiced for hundreds of years.<br /> <br /> Here is just on illustration of this point. All of this data can be seen on<br /> <br /> <a href="http://ivmmeta.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://ivmmeta.com</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40393/" target="_blank">View attachment 40393</a><br /> <br /> This table above is for the I-drug that receives so much hate. The first 2 lines show two different (non-C0VlD) indications to administer this drug and the number of studies and patients in those studies to gain approval. As you can see with 5 and 10 studies and 591 and 852 patients in those studies respectively the I-drug was recommended by the WHO for treatment of those diseases. With C0VlD there have been 63 total studies with 47,437 patients and of those studies 30 where randomized controlled trials (the hailed gold standard) with 6,368 patients - what is the status from the WHO, still pending....why? Why such a discrepancy in the standard of data required to get something approved?<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40394/" target="_blank">View attachment 40394</a><br /> <br /> This table shows the studies required in the UK and USA for emergency use authorization of different drugs. As you can see these three treatments were approved each with 1 study each and between 799-1,779 patients in each study...For the I-drug with 63 studies from around the world with 47,437 patients....still pending.<br /> <br /> But why? that&#039;s the question I keep asking...and I can only speculate on the answer. The only explanation I have come up with is that if there is a cheap drug widely available then it makes the pandemic manageable, and they do not want a manageable pandemic. They want something scary to motivate people to do or accept things that they normally would not....be it VAXClNE passports, be it erosion of freedoms, etc....<br /> <br /> Putting everything together, I it&#039;s hard not to see the real possibility of a small powerful group of people pulling the strings of governments all around the world working towards a worldwide unified outcome. If this is not the case, how is all the unified messaging occurring, why are the pathways of how the pandemic is being handles from quarantines, suppression of information that doesn&#039;t support the narrative, denying medical professionals the freedom to practice medicine freely, vaccines, and vaccines passports being implemented in similar fashion all over the world (albeit on different timeframes)? I genuinely hope that is not the case, but it&#039;s impossible to ignore all the things pointing towards that being the case. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeh it&#039;s hard not to see it mate.<br /> <br /> Our own Chief Health Officer in Melbourne has ties to the world economic forum.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="252883" data-url="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2PobsFMPmVYDbGlLhPwY73?si=-LhXZugCSMKK5GlaLq2tPA&amp;utm_source=copy-link" data-host="open.spotify.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.scdn.co%2Fimage%2Fab6765630000ba8abd97aea3b3c6969627680bc6&amp;hash=37d361b48032d8525b5e8f8b6c1b1b5e&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="open.spotify.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2PobsFMPmVYDbGlLhPwY73?si=-LhXZugCSMKK5GlaLq2tPA&amp;utm_source=copy-link" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> #1721 - Michael Malice </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Listen to this episode from The Joe Rogan Experience on Spotify. Michael Malice is a cultural commentator and host of the PodcastOne podcast &quot;Your Welcome.&quot; He&#039;s the author of two books, &quot;Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il,&quot; and &quot;The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of...</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotifycdn.com%2Fcdn%2Fimages%2Ffavicon32.b64ecc03.png&amp;hash=62a4adf35474587c94f84997b6243772&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="open.spotify.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> open.spotify.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> Great conversation relevant to this thread. Always enjoy Michael Malace on Rogan.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 26815" data-quote="GIlman" data-source="post: 969087" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=969087" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-969087">GIlman said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For a long time I did not believe that either, but as time has gone on it has appeared to me that some sort of global kleptocracy power grab is a very likely possibility. If you take a look at what the world economic forum is saying outload, what there vision for the future is, and look at who is participating in these groups - there are just too many direct correlations to that goal and the things we see going on today.<br /> <br /> Look at the messaging of governments worldwide, it&#039;s nearly identical- what&#039;s the probability of that being a coincidence? Or are they all coordinating?<br /> <br /> Look at news media all over, it&#039;s all on point, nearly identical everywhere but given the air of authenticity. If you haven&#039;t seen it watch this.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbMediaWrapper" data-media-site-id="youtube" data-media-key="W4N88w8TYms"> <div class="bbMediaWrapper-inner"> <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/W4N88w8TYms?wmode=opaque" loading="lazy" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe> </div> </div><i><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">View: https://youtu.be/W4N88w8TYms</a></span></i><br /> <br /> <br /> This is obvious manufactured consensus. In the medical field, the story of scientific or medical consensus about C0VlD, treatment, and recommendations is likewise manufactured. This has been done several ways.<br /> <br /> First, a large number, probably the vast majority, of medical professionals use an appeal to authority heuristic...meaning that they listen to what the CDC/FDA/NIH/NIAID say and put in zero effort to research or look into things themselves. People are busy, and it&#039;s a mental short cut that is usually pretty reliable.<br /> <br /> There are then a group of professionals that have done research, have reached different conclusions than the consensus, but are self censoring what they say and also not practicing medicine the way they believe is correct...Now why on earth would people do this. The answer is clear, because there are threats of being censored online, there are threats of losing your hospital privilege&#039;s, there are even threats of losing your medical license entirely if you do not tow the &quot;official&quot; narrative, recommendations, and treatments for C0VlD.<br /> <br /> The last group, which is a fairly tiny group, is the professionals sticking their neck out there to talk about things opening, asking valid unanswered questions, and raising alarm about thing that are clear risks and unknowns. But this group is being actively censored, attacked, having their hospital privilege&#039;s or medical licenses revoked.<br /> <br /> The net effect of is that there is the appearance of consensus. The professionals that are sheep follow their leaders without questioning, the fearful stop talking for fear of reprisal, and the bold are silenced, censored, and punished.<br /> <br /> I do not believe that we would see this radical departure from how medicine has worked for the past several hundred years, unless there was a greater purpose being derived from the pandemic...I do not believe that event 201 carried out in October 2019 would so closely mimic this pandemic unless they were somehow correlated...I do not believe the that the WEF 2030 agenda is a joke but an actual end goal that leaders around the world are all working towards.<br /> <br /> This I have come to believe is what MJ is referring to, from all the evidence it makes more sense to me than all the current nonsense going on in medicine, that fundamentally is a reversal and departure from how medicine has been practiced for hundreds of years.<br /> <br /> Here is just on illustration of this point. All of this data can be seen on<br /> <br /> <a href="http://ivmmeta.com" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://ivmmeta.com</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40393/" target="_blank">View attachment 40393</a><br /> <br /> This table above is for the I-drug that receives so much hate. The first 2 lines show two different (non-C0VlD) indications to administer this drug and the number of studies and patients in those studies to gain approval. As you can see with 5 and 10 studies and 591 and 852 patients in those studies respectively the I-drug was recommended by the WHO for treatment of those diseases. With C0VlD there have been 63 total studies with 47,437 patients and of those studies 30 where randomized controlled trials (the hailed gold standard) with 6,368 patients - what is the status from the WHO, still pending....why? Why such a discrepancy in the standard of data required to get something approved?<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40394/" target="_blank">View attachment 40394</a><br /> <br /> This table shows the studies required in the UK and USA for emergency use authorization of different drugs. As you can see these three treatments were approved each with 1 study each and between 799-1,779 patients in each study...For the I-drug with 63 studies from around the world with 47,437 patients....still pending.<br /> <br /> But why? that&#039;s the question I keep asking...and I can only speculate on the answer. The only explanation I have come up with is that if there is a cheap drug widely available then it makes the pandemic manageable, and they do not want a manageable pandemic. They want something scary to motivate people to do or accept things that they normally would not....be it VAXClNE passports, be it erosion of freedoms, etc....<br /> <br /> Putting everything together, I it&#039;s hard not to see the real possibility of a small powerful group of people pulling the strings of governments all around the world working towards a worldwide unified outcome. If this is not the case, how is all the unified messaging occurring, why are the pathways of how the pandemic is being handles from quarantines, suppression of information that doesn&#039;t support the narrative, denying medical professionals the freedom to practice medicine freely, vaccines, and vaccines passports being implemented in similar fashion all over the world (albeit on different timeframes)? I genuinely hope that is not the case, but it&#039;s impossible to ignore all the things pointing towards that being the case. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Based on this site:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="252938" data-url="https://ivmstatus.com/" data-host="ivmstatus.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fc19ivm.org%2Fogimg2319%2Fplot%2Fivmworldc.png&amp;hash=df39381e8c6689feacf4bf1bdd633ad2&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="ivmstatus.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://ivmstatus.com/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Global ivermectin adoption for COVID-19: 47% </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Global ivermectin adoption for C0VlD-19: 47%</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fivmstatus.com%2F&amp;hash=587c475a984237d274f4b47b6ab56f10&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="ivmstatus.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> ivmstatus.com </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> Ivermectin doesn&#039;t seem to have done much at all to prevent deaths in many of the 20 countries that have adopted it.<br /> <br /> However, it seems to have done something in a few maybe.<br /> <br /> Some places where you notice cases going down after its introduction seemed to be already at a point where the virus was running out of steam as it ran through so many people.<br /> <br /> I think it can be deemed that it helps amongst other things, but doesn&#039;t seem to be a wonder drug or anything like that.<br /> <br /> You are the doctor however not me haha, what do you think about the data for those countries?: <a href="https://www.worldometers.info/" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">Worldometer - real time world statistics</a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 33771" data-quote="Fox" data-source="post: 960938" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=960938" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-960938">Fox said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <span style="font-size: 26px"><b>PLEASE VOTE IN THIS POLL.<br /> ANSWERS ARE ANONYMOUS.</b></span><br /> <br /> <b>**** This <u>isn&#039;t my post</u> but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help.<br /> They didn&#039;t want to post themselves for privacy reasons since their username is linked to their real name - so I am posting this on their behalf ***</b><br /> <br /> <br /> About 5 months ago I got the shot (the one with the new technology) and for the past 4 and a half months, I’ve been dealing with some really challenging health issues, and I could use the help of the forum here, as I’ve gotten nowhere going to what seems like a revolving door of specialists and doctors.<br /> <br /> <b><u>Current Health Issue and What I’ve Done So Far:</u></b><br /> <br /> About 4 and a half months ago, I randomly had really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my chest (about 2 weeks after my first dose of the shot), the first thing doctors thought was a heart attack (I’m in my early 30s so wasn’t too worried about that). They told me I had to go to the emergency room and since then, I’ve gotten the following workup:<br /> <br /> -Went to a cardiologist and did a stress test, echocardiogram, several EKGs, and blood work: my heart is completely fine<br /> <br /> -Went to a pulmonologist and did several breathing tests and exams, and a CT scan of my chest and my lungs and lung function seems to be fine<br /> <br /> -Went to a rheumatologist and got a full autoimmune blood work panel (for what they can test for) and everything came back normal and he said they couldn’t help me<br /> <br /> -Have been going to a physical therapist for 3 months who can’t understand why the muscles around my ribs / intercostal muscles are so inflamed and why even when he works to loosen them up, they keep getting tight and going back into that state<br /> <br /> -MRI of my brain, everything came back normal<br /> <br /> -General bloodwork and checkup from my general doctor where nothing out of ordinary showed up<br /> <br /> -Have tried a month’s supply of anti-inflammatory drugs that didn’t help and oral steroids (legitimately had my rheumatologist say “I don’t understand why your body’s inflammation isn’t responding to the steroids)<br /> <br /> -I’ve moved to more Eastern medicine too and tried acupuncture and that didn’t help too much and other alternative medicines with Naturopaths who haven’t been able to figure this out<br /> <br /> -In case this was just mental health, I’ve been speaking to a therapist for over a month who said he’s confused what’s happening with my body too<br /> <br /> -I went on a really strict anti-inflammatory diet (cut out all alcohol, all junk food, all sugary drinks and foods) and just ate extremely clean for around 2 months and that didn&#039;t have any impact at all on these symptoms or the inflammation<br /> <br /> <b><u>What the Symptoms Have Been Like So Far:</u></b><br /> <br /> <br /> 1. It started as just really bad shortness of breath and tightness in my ribs (front, sides and back). The physical therapist and other doctors have said they think my intercostal muscles are tight and that inflammation is causing my lungs / body to feel like I’m not getting a full breath and for it to hurt and be uncomfortable when I breathe<br /> <br /> 2. In the last few months (it’s gotten worse over time and continues to trend in the wrong direction) I’ve had pains that started in my hands that’s moved down into my wrist and now my forearms (in addition to the rib discomfort).<br /> <br /> 3. I never had any issues with anxiety or stress, but that’s all been on such high alert with how miserable that I’ve felt that I find this affecting my overall quality of life where I feel way more stressed than usual about normal stuff that usually wasn’t an issue.<br /> <br /> 4. When the initial issue happened about 4 months ago and when I had doctor’s say I may be having a heart attack, I was definitely a bit worried and I noticed my hands and jawline going numb and almost locking up (maybe I was hyperventilating)<br /> <br /> 5. When I try to exercise, it makes the inflammation and discomfort worse almost like it flares up so it&#039;s been hard to not exercise too much<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><u>The Challenge I’m Currently Running Into</u></b><br /> <br /> Since the doctors have no idea what the hell is going on, I’ve had a few doctors recently (a psychiatrist and a neurologist) who want me to take antidepressants or anti anxiety medications.<br /> <br /> I’m the kind of person where I only like to take medicine if it’s absolutely necessary (even for mild things) so I’m very hesitant, but I don’t know what specialist/where else to turn to next, and the symptoms keep trending in the wrong direction.<br /> <br /> <br /> <b><u>My Question for the Forum:</u></b><br /> <br /> I’ve had a lot of doctors say they feel that this is an adverse reaction to that (obviously can’t be sure, but nothing else changed with my health besides that). I was very hesitant to get the shot and I didn’t fall into a risk group for the disease, but I wanted to travel again and figured hundreds of millions of people took it (which I know isn’t a good reason) so it seemed relatively safe by the time I got it.<br /> <br /> If people want to say I’m an idiot for taking the shot, I completely agree with that and obviously, I’d take it back if I could, but I made a decision and I need to just focus on ways to improve where I’m at now.<br /> <br /> Does anyone here have any suggestions at all for the following questions:<br /> <br /> <br /> A. Do you know anyone personally who has dealt with similar side effects from the shot and how were they able to overcome it (if they did)?<br /> <br /> B. Would it be worth it to try to take some mental health drug (they are trying to put me on an SSRI or benzodiazepines which really concern me)?<br /> <br /> C. Does anyone have any ideas of what type of doctor I could go to next?<br /> <br /> D. If steroids, physical therapy for months and other anti-inflammatories aren&#039;t working, what else could I try?<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>**** Again this <u>isn&#039;t my post</u> but it is from someone from the forums who asked for help with posting this ***</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I had similar shortness of breath but the symptoms disappeared. It was persistent for awhile and then it went away. I don&#039;t know what to think of that.<br /> <br /> More alarmingly was the killer tinnitus I got that started 12 hours after getting vaxinated. This loud ringing made me panic, as I thought it was going to be permanent, and it was bad enough that I started contemplating what my life would be like with this terrible, persistent handicap.<br /> <br /> All symptoms disappeared after a month. No change in my routine, which was physical exercise 5 days a week and eating real food, avoiding anything processed and taking a basic supplement regime.<br /> <br /> I consider myself lucky. I hope that this thing dissipates with time and you can get back to normal. Stay strong.</div>
 

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