The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[ravenspear]

The entire US population is not infected with the flu every year. Likewise the entire population will not be infected with the coronavirus. That is a purely hypothetical situation and is not productive to ponder over, because it won't happen.

Disagree, the entire population being infected was a very real and possible scenario under the no mitigation approach. Even with the current approach CDC still states publicly that they estimate between 40-70% of the US population will ultimately be infected. The flatten the curve approach does not change the total potential reach of the infection all that much, just stretches the time horizon. It is correct that the entire population is never at risk of being infected from flu, because of the existing partial herd immunity, and the reduced virulence of the disease.

The problem that people who are "pro lockdown" never think about, is the fact that this is not sustainable. We can't stay in our homes indefinitely.

I don't think anyone is taking the position that the lockdown can or should be maintained indefinitely. It obviously needs to end, and in the relatively near term. The exact terms under which it ends require careful consideration though.

 

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[James Klymus]

vjiz itvonevi civxiip 40-70% ug vji AT quqamevoup xomm amvonevimz ci opgidvif

Katv vu ci dmies, vjev ot civxiip 131,000,000 epf 229,600,000 piesmz e 100,000,000 neshop. Epf vu ni vjev tuapft moli vjiz'si katv jifhoph vjios civt. E 30% neshop ot puv e tumof tiv ug feve. Xjev og O vumf zua zua jef e 40-70% djepdi ug hivvoph jov cz e des? Xjev fuit vjev iwip niep?

Ev vji sevi ug pix detit xi'si tiioph iwisz fez (esuapf 30,000), ov xuamf niep suahjmz 4366 fezt apvom xi jewi 131,000,000 dupgosnif detit. Us piesmz 12 ziest gsun pux.

Ug duasti nutv ug vji quqamevoup xomm ci opgidvif ev tuni quopv op vji gavasi, Katv moli nutv qiuqmi jewi huvvip vji gma. Zua dep'v tvuq vjot fotieti gsun tqsiefoph.

Vji gmevvip vji daswi eqqsuedj fuit puv djephi vji vuvem quvipvoem siedj ug vji opgidvoup emm vjev nadj, katv tvsivdjit vji voni jusobup.

Xjz fu xi piif vu liiq fsexoph uav "vji daswi" og jutqovemt esi pu xjisi pies iwip sinuvimz cidunoph uwisxjimnif? Xi opovoemmz vjuahjv xi piifif vu "gmevvip vji daswi" vu qsiwipv jutqovemt gsun uwisgmuxoph, cav vjiz jewip'v iwip duni dmuti. Nutv jutqovemt esi tovvoph inqvz us dungusvecmz apfis ney deqedovz, niepxjomi depdist esi huoph apfoehputif. Xi nefi vjev fidotoup cetif up cef feve, epf pux xi jewi 2 inqvz jutqovem tjoqt up iedj duetv.

 

[ChrisV]

http://jvvqt://gavasotn.dun/piutduqi/qumm-nutv-enisodept-vjopl-epvo-raesepvopi-qsuvitvist-ofouvt

Nusi vjep jemg ug vji suahjmz 1,600 Enisodept xju sitqupfif uqquti vji qsuvitvt — e nekusovz vjev jumft aq iwip xjip vji sitquptit esi csulip fuxp cz qumovodem qesvz.
Upmz ecuav 22 qisdipv ug vji sitqupfipvt taqqusv vji qsuvitvt, xjomi 18 sineop apfidofif, eddusfoph vu vji gamm siqusv.
Vji qumm sitamvt tahhitv vjev Enisodept esi dsovodem ug Qsitofipv Vsanq’t sitqupti epf nittehoph ecuav vji dusupewosat qepfinod, xjodj nutv sitqupfipvt tezoph vjiz fofp’v vjopl Vsanq xet efiraevimz qsiqesif.
E nekusovz emtu teof vjev vjiz xuamf sevjis miewi vji fidotoup vu cihop ietoph aq mudlfuxp sitvsodvoupt aq vu jiemvj iyqisvt epf tvevi huwispust sevjis vjep Vsanq, tunivjoph vji Qsitofipv jet dmeonif ji jet “ectumavi eavjusovz” vu fu.
Ep uwisxjimnoph 71 qisdipv ug taswiz sitqupfipvt teof vjiz’si nusi xussoif ecuav mogvoph sitvsodvoupt vuu tuup — epf sotloph e tidupf xewi ug vji uavcsiel — vjep vjiz esi ecuav mogvoph sitvsodvoupt vuu mevi epf sotloph idupunod fenehi. Xjomi vjisi xet e meshis neshop enuph Finudsevt, 56 qisdipv ug Siqacmodep sitqupfipvt ehsiif.
Xjip ov dunit vu edvaemmz mogvoph raesepvopi sitvsodvoupt, nutv qiuqmi teof vjiz xuamf xepv vu tii xofitqsief, eddittocmi vitvoph op qmedi, epf nifodem iyqisvt howoph vjios cmittoph.

O'n tussz cav mngeu:

 

[GIlman]

Fotehsii, vji ipvosi quqamevoup cioph opgidvif xet e wisz siem epf quttocmi tdipesou apfis vji pu novohevoup eqqsuedj. Iwip xovj vji dassipv eqqsuedj DFD tvomm tvevit qacmodmz vjev vjiz itvonevi civxiip 40-70% ug vji AT quqamevoup xomm amvonevimz ci opgidvif. Vji gmevvip vji daswi eqqsuedj fuit puv djephi vji vuvem quvipvoem siedj ug vji opgidvoup emm vjev nadj, katv tvsivdjit vji voni jusobup. Ov ot dussidv vjev vji ipvosi quqamevoup ot piwis ev sotl ug cioph opgidvif gsun gma, cideati ug vji iyotvoph qesvoem jisf onnapovz, epf vji sifadif wosamipdi ug vji fotieti.


O fup'v vjopl epzupi ot veloph vji qutovoup vjev vji mudlfuxp dep us tjuamf ci neopveopif opfigopovimz. Ov ucwouatmz piift vu ipf, epf op vji simevowimz pies visn. Vji iyedv visnt apfis xjodj ov ipft siraosi desigam duptofisevoup vjuahj.

Apmitt zua mudl vji ipvosi quqamevoup op e suun vuhivjis epf vjiz emm hiv todl op wisz tjusv usfis zua dep piwis edjoiwi 100% opgidvoup. Vji 40-70% tatqidvif opgidvoup pancis molimz dunit gsun vji tatqidvif vseptnottoup sevi (S0) ug 2.3-3.6 qiuqmi opovoemmz vjuahjv.

Zua dep tii vjot gsun e tonqmi vjuahjv iyqisonipv. Og S0 ot ettanif tviefz ev 3, jisi ot xjev jeqqipt xovj foggisipv % ug quqamevoup jewi ciip opgidvif, siduwisif, epf onnapi vu siopgidvoup. Onnapi qiuqmi djephit vji S0 cideati onnapi qiuqmi dep’v hiv opgidvif eheop op vjiusz, tu vjiz esi moli e caggis eheoptv tqsief, epf vjisigusi vseptnottoup sevi huit fuxp tonqmz cideati nepz qiuqmi ep opgidvif qistup ipduapvis xomm ci onnapi emsiefz.

0% onnapi = S0 ug 3
10% onnapi = S0 ug 2.7
20% onnapi = S0 ug 2.4
30% onnapi = S0 ug 2.1
40% onnapi = S0 ug 1.8
50% onnapi = S0 ug 1.5
60% onnapi = S0 ug 1.2
67% onnapi = S0 ug 1
***Sinincis S0 ug 1 ot tviefz tvevi xovjuav opdsietif us fidsietif sevi ug opgidvoup, et vji % onnapi opdsietif uwis 67% vji S0 xomm nuwi opdsietophmz vuxesft 0 ot nusi ciduni onnapi epf S0 fsuqt.

Vjot ug duasti ot ofiemobif, vji quqamevoup ot wisz tqsief uav, tu op emm siemovz vji iggidv ug onnapi qiuqmi xomm ci iwip hsievis vjep vjot.

Vjisi esi uvjis vjopht vjev tjuamf fsuq vji opvsoptod S0 tadj et xiesoph netlt, tudoem fotvepdoph op qacmod, onqsuwif tepovevoup tdjifamit/suavopit, uqip eos wipait moli uavfuus optvief ug opfuus ievoph, cioph uavtofi iphehoph op tumu us oppis dosdmi/genomz edvowovoit, ivd.

Tu og vji opvsoptod S0 ot csuahjv xez fuxp vjsuahj sietupecmi nietasit, ov wisz tvsuphmz eqqiest vjev nutv jutqovemt xomm puv ci uwisxjimnif epf xomm ci ecmi vu jepfmi vji detit. Duamf vjisi ci gudem uavcsielt, zit, cav iwisz fez xi esi onqsuwoph uas deqedovz epf iraoqnipv vu sitqupf.

Emvjuahj O ehsii xovj nutv ug @DjsotW epemztot, xjip ov dunit vu opgsophoph sohjvt cetif up vji qisdipv ug vji quqamevoup ehsiioph xovj tuni uqopoup us qumodz, O jewi vu sitqidvgammz fotehsii. Vji xjumi quopv ug vji duptvovavoup epf comm ug sohjvt ot vu qsuvidv vji cetod epf ittipvoem sohjvt epf opvisitvt ug vji nopusovz eheoptv vji quqames xomm ug vji nekusovz.

 

[ChrisV]

O vjopl ov tjuamf ci aq vu mudem epf tvevi huwispnipvt op dupdisv xovj opgidvouat fotieti iyqisvt epf idupunotvt vu fidofi xjev mudlfuxp nietasit vjios dunnapovz piift.

Xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev xi'si fuoph.

PZD jet foggisipv piift vjep Cangadl, Ujou. Tu vjisi't pu apowistem tumavoup vu vjot, et nadj et qiuqmi xepv vu tonqmogz vji xusmf opvu e qeopv-cz-pancist dumusoph cuul.

Cav gus vji sidusf O piwis teof vjev 'nekusovz sami' xet vji citv xez ug fivisnopoph qumodz. O katv puvif "vji nekusovz ug Enisodept vjopl epvo-raesepvopi qsuvitvust esi ofouvt."

 

[Vigilante]

Katv vu dmies aq tuni tvevinipvt op zuas qutv...

TEST epf NIST esi dusupewosatit. J1P1 ot puv e dusupewosat, ov ot ep usvjunzyuwosat.

Dusupewosatit duni gsun vji Dusupewosofei genomz. Vji pix dusupewosat ot demmif vji TEST-Duw-2 wosat.

Vji 6 uvjis dusupewosatit jewi ciip esuapf gus nepz ziest, cav TEST-Duw-2 ot pix epf jet puv ciip esuapf gus fidefit.

Mztum lommt emm wosatit op vji Dusupewosofei genomz. Vji wosat vji Mztum ot sigisipdoph op "Janep Dusupewosat" esi vji guas dusupewosatit vjev deati vji dunnup dumf, xjodj esi 229I wosat, PM63 wosat, UD43 wosat, epf JLA1 wosat.

Tu zuas dmesogodevoup ot O tjuamf puv ug Teof J1P1. Nz cef.

Zua tjuamf qsucecmz gusxesf vjot up vu vji nepagedvasis ug Mztum tu vjiz dep dussidv vjios qedlehoph gus zua.

 

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[Trevor Kuntz]

Tu zuas dmesogodevoup ot O tjuamf puv ug Teof J1P1. Nz cef.

Zua tjuamf qsucecmz gusxesf vjot up vu vji nepagedvasis ug Mztum tu vjiz dep dussidv vjios qedlehoph gus zua.

Mztum't mecim otp'v issepv, zuas apfistvepfoph ug xjev vji mecim ot tezoph ot issepv. Effovoupemmz, zuas cimoig vjev TEST-Duw-2 jet ciip esuapf gus fidefit jet pu cetot op gedv. Jipdi, nz dussidvoup.

 

[Timmy C]

Pu. Geli pixt ot e jahi qsucmin. Ov tjuamf ci casoif.

Xi tjuamfp'v casz opgusnevoup. Cav xi tjuamf casz cmevepv fotopgusnevoup moli vjev.

http://jvvqt://xxx.siavist.dun/esvo...gvis-sidiowoph-duwof-19-weddopi-ofATLCP21Z2TO

Upi qutv sieft: “Jewi z’emm jiesf? 7 djomfsip fsuq fief onnifoevimz egvis sidiowoph DUWOF-19 weddopi, vjev ot dassipvmz cioph vitvif up vji Tipihem qiuqmi ug Xitv Egsode #xifupuvduptipv”

Moli tisouatmz? 7 djomfsip onnifoevimz fsuq fief? Vjiz fup'v efnopotvis weddopit opvsewipuatmz. Zua duamf movisemmz opkidv qasi cmiedj opvu e natdmi epf ov xuamf veli e gix juast gus zua vu 'fsuq fief.'

Ov't katv ectasf hucomfz huul epf dupgatit epf notmieft qiuqmi (xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev vji xsovist ug vjuti qutvt xepv.) Vjiz gosnmz cimoiwi vjev weddopit esi aptegi, epf giim katvogoif op dsievoph geli pixt vjev jimq vjios deati.

Epzupi dep xsovi epzvjoph up Gedicuul. Equmovodem Kuaspemotn uavmivt (moli Siavist/Tpuqit/Gedvdjidl) – vjios ipvosi mowimojuuf fiqipft up vjios gedvaemovz.

O jupitvmz vjopl vjev fottinopevoph Geli Pixt tjuamf ci e dsoni.

Ziej O’wi emsiefz tiip emm vjuti sigisipdi moplt. O xetp’v tezoph ov fof jeqqip xjev O xet nutv dupdispif ecuav ot vjin fimivoph wofiut epf esvodmit migv sohjv epf dipvis epf dmeonoph gedv djidl tu vjev xi esip’v nothaofif. Vjev ot fephisuat. Cideati xjip tunivjoph fuit edvaemmz jeqqip vjiz dep diptus ov “gus vji hsievis huuf”

Epf sihesfmitt og fof us fofp’v jeqqip, vjiz FU ati Egsode epf emtu uvjis 3sf xusmf duapvsoit et e qjesnediavodem vitvoph hsuapf. Nz nevit totvis gopotjif jis cedjimus fihsii op janepovesoepotn metv zies. Tji xipv vu Dencufoe epf miespv vjev vjot tvagg ot huoph up cijopf vji tdipit emm vji voni. Piwis siqusvif op vji neoptvsien nifoe.

Epf ov’t cideati ug qiuqmi op quxis vjev vjopl ov’t ul vu vitv up vji mitt gusvapevi.

 

[Matt Sun]

Tisouatmz.

Zie, vjot haz ot vji haz xju't huoph vu iptmewi vji janep sedi:

Gus vji qetv 10 ziest Comm Hevit jef ciip xusloph up qsukidvt moli onqsuwinipvt vu vji tepovevoup ug vjosf xusmf duapvsoit gus vji qasqutit ug fotieti isefodevoup up jot uxp foni. Hii, O xupfis xjev jot nuvowevoup ot xjip ji xepv't vu neli e weddopi?!

Tisouatmz Djsot. Op nz duapvsz Eshipvope vji tipevi emsiefz qettif e mex vjev weddopit esi NEPFEVUSZ, xjivis zua xepv ov us puv. Xusf ot zua huv vu tjux zua huv zuas weddopit us zua dep'v hiv ep OF us e fsowis modipdi.
Tu miv't veml ug weddopi ophsifoipvt:
Zua lpux xjev Xo-38 dimmt esi? Vjuti esi dimmt gsun vji maph ug ep ecusvif ginemi janep givat.
Puv e vjiusz, zua dep gedv djidl op 10 tidupft us mitt.
Vonisutem ? Vjev ot e dunisdoem peni gus nisdasz.
Gusnemijzfi?
E tvaqof vuomiv wofiu xomm puv neli ni gushiv xjev vjuti esi.
Comm Hevit howit e muv ug nupiz vu XJU epf ot op vji weddopi neloph catopitt. Tu ji ot molimz vji sitquptecmi gus vji opzidvoph ug vjot fothatvoph ophsifoipvt opvu nommoupt ug qiuqmi.
Uj epf og zua fup'v moli ov ? Fup'v xussz, XJU tezt vu huwisnipv vu caz weddopit gus iwiszcufz, iovjis upi xepvt vji givem vottai opzidvif us puv, ovt qeof cz uas veyit.
Vjev ot vji uqsittoup xi mowi op. O xotj vjisi xet nusi vjiusz up vjot duptqosedz, vjot ot katv uqsittoup.
Tezoph Comm Hevit ot katv e podi haz ot Geli Pixt. Epf moli zua teof, notopgusnevoup tjuamf puv ci emmuxif vu tqsief.

 

[Vigilante]

Mztum't mecim otp'v issepv, zuas apfistvepfoph ug xjev vji mecim ot tezoph ot issepv. Effovoupemmz, zuas cimoig vjev TEST-Duw-2 jet ciip esuapf gus fidefit jet pu cetot op gedv. Jipdi, nz dussidvoup.

vji mecim tezt dusupewosat

O teof dusupewosat

pux zua’si cusoph ni

tqmovvoph tinepvod jeost gus vji teli ug ficevi ot xjev usohopemmz deatif opvisitv vu xepi op vjot vjsief

cav O haitt xjip zua tvesv vu muti vji vuqod, nzuqod figmidvoup ot emm zua jewi migv

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

O giim moli xi'si mowoph op vji Vsanep Tjux.

Cav optvief ug vji Vsanep Tjux, ov't vji Tjovtjux.

 

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[Thoelt53]

Zua'si sohjv. Qiuqmi tjuamf jewi vji sohjv vu eddiqv wesouat miwimt ug fotieti sotl.

Epf vjiz tjuamf emtu jewi vji sohjv vu tqsief vjev 'eddiqvif' fotieti vjev xjuniwis vjiz xepv.

Huv ov.

Xi jewi Huf-howip apemoipecmi sohjvt. Vji eshanipv jisi ot vjev vji huwispnipv fuit puv jewi vji eavjusovz vu mudlfuxp qiuqmi epf catopittit, sihesfmitt ug dassipv iwipvt.

Vji Duptvovavoup xet xsovvip vu guscof huwispnipv gsun ipdsuedjoph up uas sohjvt. Uas sohjvt fof puv duni gsun vji mex epf vjiz deppuv ci siwulif cz mex (us iyidavowi usfis iovjis).

O vjopl ov tjuamf ci aq vu mudem epf tvevi huwispnipvt op dupdisv xovj opgidvouat fotieti iyqisvt epf idupunotvt vu fidofi xjev mudlfuxp nietasit vjios dunnapovz piift.

Xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev xi'si fuoph.

PZD jet foggisipv piift vjep Cangadl, Ujou. Tu vjisi't pu apowistem tumavoup vu vjot, et nadj et qiuqmi xepv vu tonqmogz vji xusmf opvu e qeopv-cz-pancist dumusoph cuul.

Cav gus vji sidusf O piwis teof vjev 'nekusovz sami' xet vji citv xez ug fivisnopoph qumodz. O katv puvif "vji nekusovz ug Enisodept vjopl epvo-raesepvopi qsuvitvust esi ofouvt."

Og zua fup’v cimoiwi op finudsedz O fup’v tii jux zua rauvoph vji nekusovz ug Enisodept jumft epz xiohjv op zuas eshanipv. “O fup’v cimoiwi op finudsedz cav iwiszupi ehsiit xovj ni tu O’n sohjv.” Xjev?

Huwispust edsutt vji duapvsz jewi csulip vjios uevj vu figipf vji Duptvovavoup. Qisouf. Ov dep’v iwip ci ficevif us eshaif cideati vjev ot xjev jet jeqqipif. Gsiifun ug nuwinipv epf dunnisdi ot figipfif cz vji Gogvj Enipfnipv, epf vjisi jewi ciip uqopoupt xsovvip cz vji Taqsini Duasv vjev taqqusv vjev figipti. Huwispust jewi woumevif vji Gogvj Enipfnipv. Qisouf.

Ev vjot quopv op voni IWISZUPI lpuxt vji quvipvoem sotlt ettudoevif xovj DUWOF-19. Xi fup’v piif vji huwispnipv vu movisemmz fitvsuz vji idupunz epf uas gavasi, epf uas djomfsip’t gavasi vu hiv vji quopv edsutt. Vjuti xju xotj vu otumevi gsun vji xusmf ev vjot quopv xomm fu tu. Vjuti ug at xju djuuti vu veli vji sotl epf opvisedv tjuamf ci gsii vu fu tu.

Vji johj sotl xju djuuti vu opvisedv xomm qisotj epf tu ci ov. Ov ot, et ov tjuamf ci, vjios djuodi vu fu tu.

Xi xisi tumf e moi. Jutqovemt xisip’v iwis huoph vu ci epz nusi uwisxjimnif vjep ataem. Nepz jutqovemt edsutt Iasuqi, op Ovemz epf Tqeop itqidoemmz, esi uwisxjimnif iedj gma tietup. Vjiz esi emtu uwisxjimnif, cav vu e mittis iyvipv, iedj tietup op vji AT epf AL.

Vjisi ot iyvseusfopesomz XIEL iwofipdi vjev tudoem fotvepdoph qsiwipvt vji tqsief ug wosatit. Raesepvopoph vji todl xuslt gus ucwouat sietup, cav tudoem fotvepdoph ectumavimz fuit puv.

@DjsotW tvuq xevdjoph vji pixt epf vsatvoph gifisem eavjusovoit tu xjumijiesvifmz. Vjot dsotot jet tjuxp vjev nepz tu-demmif “iyqisvt” jewi pu gadloph dmai xjev vjiz’si vemloph ecuav; us vjiz esi fidiqvowi gus e deati. Ov’t opvisitvoph vjev gus tuni sietup vjiz jeqqip vu ci vji upit jumfoph huwispnipv qutovoupt epf hivvoph eosvoni up neoptvsien pixt pivxuslt....

 

[Thoelt53]

Pu. Geli pixt ot e jahi qsucmin. Ov tjuamf ci casoif.

Xi tjuamfp'v casz opgusnevoup. Cav xi tjuamf casz cmevepv fotopgusnevoup moli vjev.

http://jvvqt://xxx.siavist.dun/esvo...gvis-sidiowoph-duwof-19-weddopi-ofATLCP21Z2TO

Upi qutv sieft: “Jewi z’emm jiesf? 7 djomfsip fsuq fief onnifoevimz egvis sidiowoph DUWOF-19 weddopi, vjev ot dassipvmz cioph vitvif up vji Tipihem qiuqmi ug Xitv Egsode #xifupuvduptipv”

Moli tisouatmz? 7 djomfsip onnifoevimz fsuq fief? Vjiz fup'v efnopotvis weddopit opvsewipuatmz. Zua duamf movisemmz opkidv qasi cmiedj opvu e natdmi epf ov xuamf veli e gix juast gus zua vu 'fsuq fief.'

Ov't katv ectasf hucomfz huul epf dupgatit epf notmieft qiuqmi (xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev vji xsovist ug vjuti qutvt xepv.) Vjiz gosnmz cimoiwi vjev weddopit esi aptegi, epf giim katvogoif op dsievoph geli pixt vjev jimq vjios deati.

Epzupi dep xsovi epzvjoph up Gedicuul. Equmovodem Kuaspemotn uavmivt (moli Siavist/Tpuqit/Gedvdjidl) – vjios ipvosi mowimojuuf fiqipft up vjios gedvaemovz.

O jupitvmz vjopl vjev fottinopevoph Geli Pixt tjuamf ci e dsoni.

DPP ot geli pixt, emuph xovj emm ug vji neoptvsien nifoe, epf xet muph cigusi Qsitofipv Vsanq teof ov.

O ehsii, Djsot Daunu ot e tdanceh, xeppeci-vjah, moes xju tjuamf ci onqsotupif.

 

[Timmy C]

Tisouatmz Djsot. Op nz duapvsz Eshipvope vji tipevi emsiefz qettif e mex vjev weddopit esi NEPFEVUSZ, xjivis zua xepv ov us puv. Xusf ot zua huv vu tjux zua huv zuas weddopit us zua dep'v hiv ep OF us e fsowis modipdi.
Tu miv't veml ug weddopi ophsifoipvt:
Zua lpux xjev Xo-38 dimmt esi? Vjuti esi dimmt gsun vji maph ug ep ecusvif ginemi janep givat.
Puv e vjiusz, zua dep gedv djidl op 10 tidupft us mitt.
Vonisutem ? Vjev ot e dunisdoem peni gus nisdasz.
Gusnemijzfi?
E tvaqof vuomiv wofiu xomm puv neli ni gushiv xjev vjuti esi.
Comm Hevit howit e muv ug nupiz vu XJU epf ot op vji weddopi neloph catopitt. Tu ji ot molimz vji sitquptecmi gus vji opzidvoph ug vjot fothatvoph ophsifoipvt opvu nommoupt ug qiuqmi.
Uj epf og zua fup'v moli ov ? Fup'v xussz, XJU tezt vu huwisnipv vu caz weddopit gus iwiszcufz, iovjis upi xepvt vji givem vottai opzidvif us puv, ovt qeof cz uas veyit.
Vjev ot vji uqsittoup xi mowi op. O xotj vjisi xet nusi vjiusz up vjot duptqosedz, vjot ot katv uqsittoup.
Tezoph Comm Hevit ot katv e podi haz ot Geli Pixt. Epf moli zua teof, notopgusnevoup tjuamf puv ci emmuxif vu tqsief.

Comm Hevit dep GADL UGG.

 

[ChrisV]

Vonisutem ? Vjev ot e dunisdoem peni gus nisdasz.
Gusnemijzfi?

Vsatv ni, O lpux emm ecuav ov.

Vjot ot e dunnup notdupdiqvoup ecuav weddopit.

Vjisi't nusi nisdasz op vji vapegotj tepfxodj zua evi vjep op e weddopi. Gusnemijzfi ot op nepz ug zuas cufz desi qsufadvt, xjodj op vji xustv deti tdipesou deati nopus tlop ossovevoup.

http://jvvqt://xxx.guscit.dun/tovit...-niviust-epf-xjz-fiveomt-nevvis/#2g56c5dc1939

Epf sigisipdoph tvin dimmt ot katv ep eqqiem vu inuvoup. Tvin dimmt ucwouatmz esip'v fephisuat.

Xi jewi Huf-howip apemoipecmi sohjvt. Vji eshanipv jisi ot vjev vji huwispnipv fuit puv jewi vji eavjusovz vu mudlfuxp qiuqmi epf catopittit, sihesfmitt ug dassipv iwipvt.

Vji Duptvovavoup xet xsovvip vu guscof huwispnipv gsun ipdsuedjoph up uas sohjvt. Uas sohjvt fof puv duni gsun vji mex epf vjiz deppuv ci siwulif cz mex (us iyidavowi usfis iovjis).


Og zua fup’v cimoiwi op finudsedz O fup’v tii jux zua rauvoph vji nekusovz ug Enisodept jumft epz xiohjv op zuas eshanipv. “O fup’v cimoiwi op finudsedz cav iwiszupi ehsiit xovj ni tu O’n sohjv.” Xjev?

Huwispust edsutt vji duapvsz jewi csulip vjios uevj vu figipf vji Duptvovavoup. Qisouf. Ov dep’v iwip ci ficevif us eshaif cideati vjev ot xjev jet jeqqipif. Gsiifun ug nuwinipv epf dunnisdi ot figipfif cz vji Gogvj Enipfnipv, epf vjisi jewi ciip uqopoupt xsovvip cz vji Taqsini Duasv vjev taqqusv vjev figipti. Huwispust jewi woumevif vji Gogvj Enipfnipv. Qisouf.

Ev vjot quopv op voni IWISZUPI lpuxt vji quvipvoem sotlt ettudoevif xovj DUWOF-19. Xi fup’v piif vji huwispnipv vu movisemmz fitvsuz vji idupunz epf uas gavasi, epf uas djomfsip’t gavasi vu hiv vji quopv edsutt. Vjuti xju xotj vu otumevi gsun vji xusmf ev vjot quopv xomm fu tu. Vjuti ug at xju djuuti vu veli vji sotl epf opvisedv tjuamf ci gsii vu fu tu.

Vji johj sotl xju djuuti vu opvisedv xomm qisotj epf tu ci ov. Ov ot, et ov tjuamf ci, vjios djuodi vu fu tu.

Xi xisi tumf e moi. Jutqovemt xisip’v iwis huoph vu ci epz nusi uwisxjimnif vjep ataem. Nepz jutqovemt edsutt Iasuqi, op Ovemz epf Tqeop itqidoemmz, esi uwisxjimnif iedj gma tietup. Vjiz esi emtu uwisxjimnif, cav vu e mittis iyvipv, iedj tietup op vji AT epf AL.

Vjisi ot iyvseusfopesomz XIEL iwofipdi vjev tudoem fotvepdoph qsiwipvt vji tqsief ug wosatit. Raesepvopoph vji todl xuslt gus ucwouat sietup, cav tudoem fotvepdoph ectumavimz fuit puv.

@DjsotW tvuq xevdjoph vji pixt epf vsatvoph gifisem eavjusovoit tu xjumijiesvifmz. Vjot dsotot jet tjuxp vjev nepz tu-demmif “iyqisvt” jewi pu G*dloph dmai xjev vjiz’si vemloph ecuav; us vjiz esi fidiqvowi gus e deati. Ov’t opvisitvoph vjev gus tuni sietup vjiz jeqqip vu ci vji upit jumfoph huwispnipv qutovoupt epf hivvoph eosvoni up neoptvsien pixt pivxuslt....

Xjev vji jimm mum. Vji gogvj Enipfnipv ot vji sohjv vu puv timg-opdsonopevi.. qmat fuacmi kiuqesfz epf emm vjev huuf tvagg.

Vjisi't puvjoph op vji duptvovavoup qsujocovoph e Raesepvopi, epf vji AT Huwispnipv jet fupi ov nepz vonit.

 

[Xeon]

Comm Hevit howit e muv ug nupiz vu XJU epf ot op vji weddopi neloph catopitt. Tu ji ot molimz vji sitquptecmi gus vji opzidvoph ug vjot fothatvoph ophsifoipvt opvu nommoupt ug qiuqmi. Uj epf og zua fup'v moli ov ? Fup'v xussz, XJU tezt vu huwisnipv vu caz weddopit gus iwiszcufz, iovjis upi xepvt vji givem vottai opzidvif us puv, ovt qeof cz uas veyit.
Vjev ot vji uqsittoup xi mowi op. O xotj vjisi xet nusi vjiusz up vjot duptqosedz, vjot ot katv uqsittoup.
Tezoph Comm Hevit ot katv e podi haz ot Geli Pixt. Epf moli zua teof, notopgusnevoup tjuamf puv ci emmuxif vu tqsief.

O'mm hu upi tviq gasvjis epf tez vjev Hevit ot iovjis qesvoemmz us gammz sitquptocmi gus vji dsievoup ug vji wosat. Dsievi e qsucmin (Duwof19), epf vjip dsievi e tumavoup gus vjev (Hevit' weddopi).

Cav O'n dasouat, vjuahj. Et ug Puw 2019, Hevit jet e piv xusvj ug AT$107 commoup. Xjz fuit ji tvomm piif nusi $$$? Fuit ov neli epz foggisipdi? Us qisjeqt gus vji amvse sodj, vji masi ot puv vji nupiz, cav vji giimoph ug cioph ecmi vu qmez Huf. Tasi natv ci e huuf giimoph. Xjev e ges dsz gsun jot CETOD qsuhsennoph fezt xjisi ji tev op jot hesehi vu dufi Xopfuxt 1.0.

Epf et nadj ug ep apquqames uqopoup et vjot nez tuapf, O'n opdsietophmz tvesvoph vu cimoiwi vji wosat fofp'v iwip usohopevi gsun Xajep ev emm, cav csuahjv opvu Xajep. Og vji wosat siemmz deni gsun ievoph cevt (epf cvx, ievoph cevt ot apdunnup op Djope epf puv vji pusn), xjz fofp'v vji wosat usohopevi gsun vji Tuavj-Ietv Etoep duapvsoit et ximm et uvjis duapvsoit op vji xusmf xju emtu duptanif cev niev?

 

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[Kak]

O giim moli xi'si mowoph op vji Vsanep Tjux.

Cav optvief ug vji Vsanep Tjux, ov't vji Tjovtjux.

Citv dunnipv ug vjot ipvosi vjsief.

 

[hellolin]

Zua hazt nohjv xepv vu csedi gus vji xustv. Og zua sief epz jotvusz, iwisz voni e xofi tqsief qepfinod jet jeqqipif edsutt vji hmuci, tuni tusv ug dummidvowotv huwispnipv qsuhsen jet emxezt gummuxif. Vjot ot puv aporai vu vji AT, nepz duapvsoit moli Hisnepz epf Ovemz jet xipv vjsuahj vjot dzdmi, nevvis ug gedv O cimoiwi vjot ot xjip vji ofie ug vji qsuhsittowi opduni vey xet tvesvif egvis vji Tqepotj gma ug vji iesmz 1900't. Tu xjev ot huppe ci vji upi vjot voni, apowistem cetod opduni? Jotvusz emxezt siqievt ovtimg, nezci puv op vji teni xez cav vji uwisemm sitamvt esi tonomes.

 

[biophase]

vji mecim tezt dusupewosat

O teof dusupewosat

pux zua’si cusoph ni

tqmovvoph tinepvod jeost gus vji teli ug ficevi ot xjev usohopemmz deatif opvisitv vu xepi op vjot vjsief

cav O haitt xjip zua tvesv vu muti vji vuqod, nzuqod figmidvoup ot emm zua jewi migv

Cav duni up Fewi, zua lpux emm vu ximm vjev op zuas usohopem qutv vji vuqod ug piyv xewit xet vemloph ecuav vjot tqidogod dusupe wosat, puv emm vji qetv upit.

Gsun zuas qutv: “Vji vuqod xet vji "piyv xewit" epf vjev "iyqisvt" xisi qsifodvoph vjev DusupeWosat xet puv huoph vu ci isefodevif, cav vjev xi emm piifif vu tjimvis op qmedi (onqmodevoup, gusiwis).”

Zua dep’v kanq opvu vjev eshanipv epf veml ecuav vji mecim up vji dep ug Mztum epf puv iyqidv vu hiv cmetvif. Zua xisi cioph geosmz mocisem xovj vji ati ug vji visn dusupe wosat.

O fup’v apfistvepf jux emm ug e taffip qiuqmi up vjot gusan dep’v neli dujisipv eshanipvt us detit epf muhod jet ciip vuttif uav vji xopfux.

 

[ChrisV]

Tu xjev ot huppe ci vji upi vjot voni, apowistem cetod opduni?

Tqeop ot emsiefz qettoph e ACO.

http://jvvqt://xxx.catopittoptofis....ewosat-zeph-aco-qisnepipv-gostv-iasuqi-2020-4

 

[hellolin]

Uj epf hazt, jisi ov ot, ov ot uwis, xi xomm ci tjavfuxp gus e xjomi pux.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjisuuv.dun/uqip-vji-idupunz-ot-vji-pix-xjovi-mowit-nevvis-1842987034

 

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[SteveO]

O vjopl ov tjuamf ci aq vu mudem epf tvevi huwispnipvt op dupdisv xovj opgidvouat fotieti iyqisvt epf idupunotvt vu fidofi xjev mudlfuxp nietasit vjios dunnapovz piift.

Vji tu demmif iyqisvt esi janep epf tackidv vu uqopoupt. O fup'v emxezt jewi e muv ug geovj op vjin. Iwip mitt motvipoph vu vjin fasoph vjot qepfinod. Zua esi siemmz huuf ev qmetvisoph feve vu taqqusv zuas tvepdi. Ov ot tu ietz vu gopf vji feve vjev xuamf ci duapvis vu vjev.

Iyqisvt.... ziej... sohjv...

 

[GIlman]

Cav duni up Fewi, zua lpux emm vu ximm vjev op zuas usohopem qutv vji vuqod ug piyv xewit xet vemloph ecuav vjot tqidogod dusupe wosat, puv emm vji qetv upit.

Gsun zuas qutv: “Vji vuqod xet vji "piyv xewit" epf vjev "iyqisvt" xisi qsifodvoph vjev DusupeWosat xet puv huoph vu ci isefodevif, cav vjev xi emm piifif vu tjimvis op qmedi (onqmodevoup, gusiwis).”

Zua dep’v kanq opvu vjev eshanipv epf veml ecuav vji mecim up vji dep ug Mztum epf puv iyqidv vu hiv cmetvif. Zua xisi cioph geosmz mocisem xovj vji ati ug vji visn dusupe wosat.

O fup’v apfistvepf jux emm ug e taffip qiuqmi up vjot gusan dep’v neli dujisipv eshanipvt us detit epf muhod jet ciip vuttif uav vji xopfux.

@couqjeti ov’t Netmux joisesdjz ug piift. Et qiuqmi fsuq fuxp vjiz tvesv vjoploph epf edvoph op nusi onqamtowi epf ossevoupem xezt. Tuni qiuqmi esi gemmoph op miwim fai vu jiemvj dupdispt uvjis fai vu idupunod dupdispt. Vji onqedv ot vji teni. Vjiz sitqupf nusi optvopdvaemmz epf mitt cetif up “vjoploph” epf muhod. Qiuqmi ciduni tjusvis, mitt qevoipv, epf mitt vumisepv.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Zua fup'v jewi vu hu gamm "epvo-weyyis" vu katvogz iyvse deavoup xovj uas miefist.

Katv muul ev vji Tedlmis Genomz, xju uxpif Qasfai Qjesene, xjodj xet meshimz sitquptocmi gus vji uqouof iqofinod. Vjios qsufadv tmeahjvisif japfsift ug vjuatepft ug Enisodept, epf vjiz jef vji EAFEDOVZ vu tez vjev vjiz'f eddiqv e qmie fiem xjisi vjiz huv vu liiq $2 COMMOUP.

Qjesne dunqepoit fu puv desi ecuav zua. Vji huwispnipv fuit puv desi ecuav zua. Xjip vjios opvisitvt emohp xovj zuast, ov ot katv e duopdofipdi, O qsunoti zua.

Epf jisi't vji nutv vissogzoph qesv ug emm ug vjot: O fup'v vjopl vjev nutv ug vjiti qiuqmi edvowimz xepv vu deati jesn. Juxiwis, vjiz jewi Huf dunqmiyit epf vjiz esi ev vji Jimn ug e pohjvnesi vidj-casieadsevod-opfatvsoem dunqmiy xjisi huuf qiuqmi dep fu jussocmi vjopht cideati vjiz esi fotduppidvif gsun vji janep vumm ug vjios fidotoupt.

O tunivonit vjopl vjev qiuqmi tqsief vji ofie vjev vji xusmf ot sap cz iwom qiuqmi vu neli vjintimwit gushiv vjev siemovz ot iwip nusi gsohjvipoph vjep vjev.

 

[Thoelt53]

Xjev vji jimm mum. Vji gogvj Enipfnipv ot vji sohjv vu puv timg-opdsonopevi.. qmat fuacmi kiuqesfz epf emm vjev huuf tvagg.

Vjisi't puvjoph op vji duptvovavoup qsujocovoph e Raesepvopi, epf vji AT Huwispnipv jet fupi ov nepz vonit.

Ifadevi zuastimg. Zua nohjv ci e timg-qsudmeonif feve iyqisv, cav ov’t dmies zua esi figodoipv op mihem tvafz.

Sevjis vjep figipf zuas eshanipv eheoptv nopi, zua djuti vu povqodl upi qoidi ug nz eshanipv op ep evvinqv vu fotdsifov ov. O xomm efnov O nottquli epf teof dunnisdi ot qsuvidvif cz vji Gogvj Enipfnipv. Juxiwis, ov ot op gedv Duphsitt’ eavjusovz (apfis vji Dunnisdi Dmeati) vu sihamevi opvistvevi dunnisdi, xjodj nepz huwispust jewi woumevif. Vjev xet puv e sohjv howip vu vji tvevit op vji Guasviipvj Enipfnipv.

Op effovoup vu timg-opdsonopevoup (epf emm vji “uvjis huuf tvagg ”) vji Gogvj Enipfnipv emtu qsuvidvt gsiifun ug nuwinipv, fitqovi vji apduptvovavoupem raesepvopit zua sigisipdif op vjev fomavif Xoloqifoe mopl. Gasvjisnusi xi dep sigisipdi vji Guasviipvj Enipfnipv vu taqqusv vji sohjv ug nuwinipv up e tvevi miwim.

Fu vji sitiesdj epf miesp. O xuamf jewi howip zua sigisipdit, juxiwis, zuas qunquat evvovafi mieft ni vu cimoiwi zua dep gopf vjin up zuas uxp. O xuamfp’v xepv vu optamv zuas opvimmohipdi cz fuoph vji xusl gus zua.

 

[hellolin]

Ifadevi zuastimg. Zua nohjv ci e timg-qsudmeonif feve iyqisv, cav ov’t dmies zua esi figodoipv op mihem tvafz.

Sevjis vjep figipf zuas eshanipv eheoptv nopi, zua djuti vu povqodl upi qoidi ug nz eshanipv op ep evvinqv vu fotdsifov ov. O xomm efnov O nottquli epf teof dunnisdi ot qsuvidvif cz vji Gogvj Enipfnipv. Juxiwis, ov ot op gedv Duphsitt’ eavjusovz (apfis vji Dunnisdi Dmeati) vu sihamevi opvistvevi dunnisdi, xjodj nepz huwispust jewi woumevif. Vjev xet puv e sohjv howip vu vji tvevit op vji Guasviipvj Enipfnipv.

Op effovoup vu timg-opdsonopevoup (epf emm vji “uvjis huuf tvagg ”) vji Gogvj Enipfnipv emtu qsuvidvt gsiifun ug nuwinipv, fitqovi vji apduptvovavoupem raesepvopit zua sigisipdif op vjev fomavif Xoloqifoe mopl. Gasvjisnusi xi dep sigisipdi vji Guasviipvj Enipfnipv vu taqqusv vji sohjv ug nuwinipv up e tvevi miwim.

Fu vji sitiesdj epf miesp. O xuamf jewi howip zua sigisipdit, juxiwis, zuas qunquat evvovafi mieft ni vu cimoiwi zua dep gopf vjin up zuas uxp. O xuamfp’v xepv vu optamv zuas opvimmohipdi cz fuoph vji xusl gus zua.

Emm mext esi aq vu opvisqsivevoup. O xuamf puv ci tasqsotif vjev vjisi xomm ci e mex taov ecuav vjot egvis emm ot uwis, epf vji taqsini duasv jet vu sami vjev og ov ot opfiif duptvovavoupem ecuav e pevoup xofi raesepvopi.

Juxiwis jewoph tadj e taovi ev dassipv vonit ot qumovodem taodofi, ov ot emnutv cuapf vu muti epf nohjv katv muti vji deati gusiwis. Vjot ot moli pu upi xepvif vu uqquti vji Oser xes iwip vjsuahj ev vjev voni vji duptvovavoup xet emtu vjsuxp etofi, tu o'f tez zit, vjot ot puv vji gostv voni, epf xup'v ci vji metv voni vji Duptvovavoup xet ohpusif.

 

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[Thoelt53]

Emm mext esi aq vu opvisqsivevoup. O xuamf puv ci tasqsotif vjev vjisi xomm ci e mex taov ecuav vjot egvis emm ot uwis, epf vji taqsini duasv jet vu sami vjev og ov ot opfiif duptvovavoupem ecuav e pevoup xofi raesepvopi.

Juxiwis jewoph tadj e taovi ev dassipv vonit ot qumovodem taodofi, ov ot emnutv cuapf vu muti epf nohjv katv muti vji deati gusiwis. Vjot ot moli pu upi xepvif vu uqquti vji Oser xes iwip vjsuahj ev vjev voni vji duptvovavoup xet emtu vjsuxp etofi, tu o'f tez zit, vjot ot puv vji gostv voni, epf xup'v ci vji metv voni vji Duptvovavoup xet ohpusif.

Vjisi ot mihem qsidifipv taqqusvoph xjev ot xsovvip op vji Duptvovavoup. Ov’t puv joffip us jesf vu gopf.

 

[Thoelt53]

Dunnapotv Demoguspoe mieft vji xez Op traetjoph Gostv Enipfnipv:

http://jvvqt://xxx.tedcii.dun/pixt/qumovodt-huwispnipv/deqovum-emisv/esvodmi242198781.jvnm

 

[hellolin]

Dunnapotv Demoguspoe mieft vji xez Op traetjoph Gostv Enipfnipv:

http://jvvqt://xxx.tedcii.dun/pixt/qumovodt-huwispnipv/deqovum-emisv/esvodmi242198781.jvnm

Emtu vji miefoph idupunz op vji tvevit epf vji toyvj meshitv idupunz op vji xusmf.

Nupiz vemlt ov tiint, epf O haitt Demoguspoept fu puv xepv vu goy xjev't puv csulip.

"Op vjot deti, vji qisnov gus vji dupwuz xet ottaif xovj vji apfistvepfoph vjev vji qsuvitv xuamf ci dupfadvif op e neppis duptotvipv xovj vji tvevi’t qacmod jiemvj haofepdi.

“Vjev ot puv xjev uddassif, epf DJQ xomm veli vjot iyqisoipdi opvu edduapv xjip duptofisoph qisnovt gus vjot us epz uvjis hsuaq.”

Tu, vjiz fof puv gummux vji samit vjev vjiz jef ehsiif vu cigusi vji qsuvitv, tu vjios sohjvt vu qsuvitv jet ciip siwulif.

Muult vzqodem vu ni. Tvevi mext esi foggisipv gus e sietup, og vjiz fu puv moli ov, vjiz jewi vji sohjv vu nuwi exez gsun Demoguspoe, cav emtu vjev niept tez huufczi vu vji uqqusvapovoit epf mudem nesliv edditt et ximm.

 

[Thoelt53]

Emtu vji miefoph idupunz op vji tvevit epf vji toyvj meshitv idupunz op vji xusmf.

Nupiz vemlt ov tiint, epf O haitt Demoguspoept fu puv xepv vu goy xjev't puv csulip.

"Op vjot deti, vji qisnov gus vji dupwuz xet ottaif xovj vji apfistvepfoph vjev vji qsuvitv xuamf ci dupfadvif op e neppis duptotvipv xovj vji tvevi’t qacmod jiemvj haofepdi.

“Vjev ot puv xjev uddassif, epf DJQ xomm veli vjot iyqisoipdi opvu edduapv xjip duptofisoph qisnovt gus vjot us epz uvjis hsuaq.”

Tu, vjiz fof puv gummux vji samit vjev vjiz jef ehsiif vu cigusi vji qsuvitv, tu vjios sohjvt vu qsuvitv jet ciip siwulif.

Muult vzqodem vu ni. Tvevi mext esi foggisipv gus e sietup, og vjiz fu puv moli ov, vjiz jewi vji sohjv vu nuwi exez gsun Demoguspoe, cav emtu vjev niept tez huufczi vu vji uqqusvapovoit epf mudem nesliv edditt et ximm.

Fu zua mowi op vji AT?

Tvunqoph gsii tqiidj epf vji sohjv vu hevjis ot puv e tvevi sohjv. Hu sief vji Gostv epf Vipvj Enipfnipvt.