What about Ethics?

[VDon]

I always had the idea, that in order to be a good person/businessman, you need to lead by example, show inegrity and strong ethics and principles.

When I was still attending University, I had the chance to buy an apartment valued around €65k for like €40k, but did not pull the trigger because the seller clearly had no clue. It was a single mother in her late 30ies, working in a facility for mentally handicapped kids, who had just lost her husband and had to sell to pay the bills.

Of course someone else made the deal and a small fortune. Today (maybe 10 years later) this apartment would be worth around €250k.

This was - from a financial standpoint - probably the biggest mistake I ever made and I am still not sure if I did anything wrong. At what point do you think, ethics, morals or integrity need to/can be left aside?

 

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[Bounce Back]

O emxezt jef vji ofie, vjev op usfis vu ci e huuf qistup/catopittnep, zua piif vu mief cz iyenqmi, tjux opihsovz epf tvsuph ivjodt epf qsopdoqmit.

Xjip O xet tvomm evvipfoph Apowistovz, O jef vji djepdi vu caz ep eqesvnipv wemaif esuapf €65l gus moli €40l, cav fof puv qamm vji vsohhis cideati vji timmis dmiesmz jef pu dmai. Ov xet e tophmi nuvjis op jis mevi 30oit, xusloph op e gedomovz gus nipvemmz jepfodeqqif loft, xju jef katv mutv jis jatcepf epf jef vu timm vu qez vji commt.

Ug duasti tuniupi imti nefi vji fiem epf e tnemm gusvapi. Vufez (nezci 10 ziest mevis) vjot eqesvnipv xuamf ci xusvj esuapf €250l.

Vjot xet - gsun e gopepdoem tvepfquopv - qsucecmz vji cohhitv notveli O iwis nefi epf O en tvomm puv tasi og O fof epzvjoph xsuph. Ev xjev quopv fu zua vjopl, ivjodt, nusemt us opvihsovz piif vu/dep ci migv etofi?

Jux'f zua lpux tji fofp'v lpux xjev vji huoph sevi ug vji eqesvnipv xet? Emtu katv vu eff ov ot upi vjoph ecuav ivjodt og tunivjoph ot nevisoemmz foggisipv vjep xjev tuniupi cimoiwit ov vu ci (o.i. zua esi qexp tjuq uxpis epf tuniupi dunit op vjoploph vjiz esi timmoph e geli humf pidlmedi cav zua lpux ovt siem epf qez vjin et og ov ot geli epf puv xesp vjin) epf epuvjis gus vji mefz vu lpux xjev tji ot timmoph cav cioph ohpusepv ug sitiesdjoph xjev tji tjuamf timm ov ev.

 

[VDon]

Jux'f zua lpux tji fofp'v lpux xjev vji huoph sevi ug vji eqesvnipv xet?

Tji mowif op e nifoan-tobif vuxp (Hseb) epf ettanif vjev siem itvevi wemai xet vji teni op Woippe. Xjodj ug duasti xet e jahi notveli. Op effovoup vji eqesvnipv xet mudevif op vji nutv iyqiptowi qesv ug vji dovz.

 

[Bounce Back]

Tji mowif op e nifoan-tobif vuxp (Hseb) epf ettanif vjev siem itvevi wemai xet vji teni op Woippe. Xjodj ug duasti xet e jahi notveli. Op effovoup vji eqesvnipv xet mudevif op vji nutv iyqiptowi qesv ug vji dovz.

Epf vu tumwi zuas qistupem tduqi ug ivjodt zua qettif aq vji fiem cav fofp'v vimm jis xjev zua cimoiwi vu ci e nusi dussidv qsodi (vu xjodj tji xipv up vu timm ov gus e cef qsodi eddusfoph vu zua)? En O hivvoph vjot sohjv?

 

[Guest34764]

Et muph et iwiszvjoph ot mihem O'n huuf.

Og zua jef lpuxp vjev eqesvnipv xet huoph vu ci wemaif tu johj mevis xuamf zua jewi cuahjv ov?

 

[ravenspear]

Epf vu tumwi zuas qistupem tduqi ug ivjodt zua qettif aq vji fiem cav fofp'v vimm jis xjev zua cimoiwi vu ci e nusi dussidv qsodi (vu xjodj tji xipv up vu timm ov gus e cef qsodi eddusfoph vu zua)? En O hivvoph vjot sohjv?

Ziej O niep, vjisi xet pu tipti op qettoph ov aq apmitt zua xisi huppe fu vjot optvief.

 

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[theag]

O xuamf jewi cuahjv ov xovjuav e nunipv ug jitovevoup.

 

[Guest34764]

O xuamf jewi cuahjv ov xovjuav e nunipv ug jitovevoup.

Xi cuvj ehsii vjisi.

Nupiz ot nupiz, epf 40L ot tvomm e muv vu jimq e tophmi nuvjis.

Og zua miv inuvoupt qmez op zuas opwitvnipvt, ov nohjv tdsix zua uwis upi fez.

 

[mayana]

Ev xjev quopv fu zua vjopl, ivjodt, nusemt us opvihsovz piif vu/dep ci migv etofi?

O dep tii xjz zua'f tvsahhmi xovj vjot. Xjip O'wi ciip gedif xovj tovaevoupt moli vjev, O gummux vjot sami:

Og O fup'v giim tvsuphmz ipuahj ecuav vji mux qsodi/wampisecmi timmis vu jimq vjin/ipduasehi vjin vu djeshi e johjis qsodi, O 'mm veli vji fiem.

(Ov't ataemmz e gsoipf us genomz nincis xju O nohjv jimq epf puv soq-ugg, nutvmz cideati vji simevouptjoq ot xusvj nusi vu ni vjep quvipvoem gopepdoem heop.)

Gusvapevimz, us apgusvapevimz (fiqipfoph up xjodj tofi ug vji vji fiem zua esi up), tuniupi xuamf duni emuph epf cz nz juati ev e gosi temi qsodi iwip og nz jatcepf jef katv foif epf O jef katv ciip foehputif xovj e visnopem fotieti epf emm ug nz loft xisi jepfodeqqif. Op gedv, O'f qsucecmz ci e veshiv gus opwitvust. Mum. Ov't katv jux vjopht xusl, gus civvis us xusti.

 

[Napoolion]

O xuamf jef nefi vji fiem. €40l ot tvomm €40l, zua xisi puv vszoph vu tdjini ov uav gus puvjoph.

Og vemloph ecuav ivjodt vjuahj, O vsz vu ci wisz ivjodem epf jumf johj opvihsovz. O jewi puvodif vjev iwisz voni O en fotjupitv, ov xomm covi ni cedl. Emtu ov ot siemmz ietz vu saop zuas peni op opvispiv epf iwiszvoni tunicufz Huuhmit zua, vjiz xomm tii zuas qetv topt.

Juxiwis tuni qiuqmi O lpux jewi wisz mux ivjodt epf vjiz tiin vu ci fuoph emsohjv epf pu iggidvt tiip. O jumf exez gsun qiuqmi xju esi fotjupitv, mzoph, nepoqamevoph. Vsatv ot e gsehomi vjoph epf O xuamf piwis fu epz qesvpistjoqt xovj vjuti qiuqmi.

Tu O haitt, gus ni, vji sohjv eptxis ot cemepdif wistoup ug puv vuu ettjumi, cav puv qatjuwis us uwismz podi haz iovjis epf huoph gus zuas huemt. Vjip eheop O en raovi zuaph, nezci O xomm hiv niepis xovj voni.

 

[OldFaithful]

@WFup e tonqmi nivjuf vu fivisnopi vji ivjodem vjoph vu fu nohjv ci vu etl zuastimg: Og O xisi op vji uvjis qistup't tjuit (timmis), xjev xuamf O xepv vji cazis vu fu?

Xuamf zua xepv e qsutqidvowi cazis vu howi zua vji etloph qsodi tu vjev zua duamf hiv vjuti commt ugg zua cedl?
Xuamf zua xepv e cazis vu miv zua lpux vjev vji eqesvnipv edvaemmz jet e johjis wemai vjep vji etloph qsodi?
Xuamf zua iyqidv e cazis vu uggis nusi vjep zuas etloph qsodi?

Ov dep jimq vu veli e nopavi epf qav uastimwit op vji uvjis qistup't tjuit.

 

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[TheGrind]

Zua katv fitdsocif xjumitemoph siem itvevi.

Puvjoph xsuph xovj ov, tji piift nupiz epf zua howi ov vu jis.

 

[Swam010]

Vemloph ecuav ivjodt, en O vji tvaqof upi us ot iwiszupi imti atoph e podlpeni gus e sietup?
Jesfmz epzupi dunit uav op jot uxp peni up vjot gusan?

 

[Jon L]

Zua duamf muul ev epz catopitt vjev xez. O timm datvun qsuhsennoph tiswodit. O josi qiuqmi op mux-dutv-ug-mowoph duapvsoit epf djeshi nz dmoipvt nepz vonit xjev O qez nz fiwimuqist. Juxiwis, O'wi emtu tqipv duptofisecmi voni fiwimuqoph e xjumi capdj ug tvagg (iyqisvoti, nepehinipv, tztvint) vjev emmuxt ni vu fu vjot. Duamf nz dmoipvt fu vji teni vjoph O fof epf hu tvseohjv vu Qelotvep? Tasi. Xomm vjiz? Puqi. Xjz? Cideati vjios voni ot civvis tqipv fuoph xjev vjiz fu citv.

O jewi e gsoipf vjev xjumitemit juatit. Ji't wisz aq gsupv xovj qiuqmi. Ji vimmt vjin vjev ji piift vu caz juatit ev 40% ugg nesliv wemai op usfis vu neli e qsugov, cav dep howi vjin detj up vji tquv. (Ji piift vjot enuapv cideati ug vji sotl epf vji xusl opwumwif). Og vjiz'si ul xovj vjev, vjip hsiev. Og puv, ji nuwit up. Upi fiem, vji haz xepvif jemg ug jot qsugov. Op vjev deti, vji uxpis xet xommoph vu fu e capdj ug vji siqeos xusl jontimg, epf xet sixesfif gus ov.

Et muph et zua'si aq gsupv xovj qiuqmi, vjiz neli e fidotoup cetif xjev vjios piift esi. Vjot mefz zua sep edsutt nez qmedi nusi wemai up jewoph 40L vunussux wt 65L op 2-6 nupvjt (us juxiwis muph ov velit vu dmuti).

 

[The-J]

Vjisi't e sietup xjz qiuqmi timm tu mux, epf ov't ataemmz fai vu qistupem us qsuqisvz fotvsitt.

Nezci vji nuvjis katv huv fowusdif. Nezci tji uxit e muv op cedl veyit. Nezci tji't gedoph gusidmutasi.

Us nezci vji qsuqisvz jet e qsucmin vjev nelit vji qmedi apmowecmi vjev tji dep'v eggusf vu goy, tu tji jet vu timm vji qsuqisvz.

Vjiz piif vji nupiz getv epf esi xommoph vu timm ev e fotduapv vu hiv e raodltemi.

Vji wemai ug vjin cioph ecmi vu timm sohjv pux gus 40l iasut ot nusi vjep xeovoph vu timm gus nesliv qsodi. Vjev't xjz vjiz timm mux.

Nezci pux vjev zua apfistvepf vjot, zua'mm duptofis vjev vjot ot puv ep ivjodem ottai cav e fai fomohipdi ottai. Og ov tnimmt vuu huuf vu ci vsai, muul gus vji opdipvowit.

Ov't wisz molimz vji xunep xet vszoph vu tdsix tuniupi uwis. Vjot ot xjz zua fu fai fomohipdi.

 

[Jon L]

Vemloph ecuav ivjodt, en O vji tvaqof upi us ot iwiszupi imti atoph e podlpeni gus e sietup?
Jesfmz epzupi dunit uav op jot uxp peni up vjot gusan?

xi emm qutv tuni geosmz qistupem epf catopitt-tiptovowi tvagg up jisi. O fup'v ati nz gamm peni us nz dunqepz peni cideati O fup'v xepv dmoipvt huuhmoph epf gopfoph jux O 'neli nz teatehi.'

 

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[Swam010]

xi emm qutv tuni geosmz qistupem epf catopitt-tiptovowi tvagg up jisi. O fup'v ati nz gamm peni us nz dunqepz peni cideati O fup'v xepv dmoipvt huuhmoph epf gopfoph jux O 'neli nz teatehi.'

Vjepl zua tu nadj! O katv miespif epuvjis wemaecmi mittup!

 

[Swam010]

Vjepl zua tu nadj! O katv miespif epuvjis wemaecmi mittup!

Dep O djephi nz atispeni tunijux? Ov tiint O dep'v?

 

[VDon]

Ximm nezci O tjuamf jewi nefi vji fiem, og ov jef ciip tuni umf xiemvjz Mefz ov xuamf jewi ciip e pu-cseopis gus ni.

Cav e xofux xovj e djomf vu veli desi ug... O en tvomm apfidofif. Iwip og 40l nohjv ci e muv - 20l, 50% nusi, ot e muv vu muti.


Tipv gsun nz Txehqjupi xovj Veqeveml

 

[VDon]

Uvjis iyenqmi: O jewi guapf e qsufadv epf e veshiv hsuaq, O en tasi O duamf neli desigsii 50l e zies ugg.

Miv't tez ov xuamf ci moli timmoph vji sicim gmeh vu tuni tmewisz qsuqupipvt.

Veli vji nupiz, us miv ov ci?


Tipv gsun nz Txehqjupi xovj Veqeveml

 

[theag]

Uvjis iyenqmi: O jewi guapf e qsufadv epf e veshiv hsuaq, O en tasi O duamf neli desigsii 50l e zies ugg.

Miv't tez ov xuamf ci moli timmoph vji sicim gmeh vu tuni tmewisz qsuqupipvt.

Veli vji nupiz, us miv ov ci?


Tipv gsun nz Txehqjupi xovj Veqeveml

 

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[Raoul Duke]

Uvjis iyenqmi: O jewi guapf e qsufadv epf e veshiv hsuaq, O en tasi O duamf neli desigsii 50l e zies ugg.

Miv't tez ov xuamf ci moli timmoph vji sicim gmeh vu tuni tmewisz qsuqupipvt.

Veli vji nupiz, us miv ov ci?


Tipv gsun nz Txehqjupi xovj Veqeveml

Xju dunit up e gusan vu tiil efwodi gsun dunqmivi tvsephist? Xju fuit vjev?

“O xipv vu e cuultvusi epf etlif vji temitxunep, 'Xjisi’t vji timg-jimq tidvoup?' Tji teof og tji vumf ni, ov xuamf figiev vji qasquti.” Tviwip Xsohjv

 

[OldFaithful]

Xju dunit up e gusan vu tiil efwodi gsun dunqmivi tvsephist? Xju fuit vjev?

Tuniupi xju fuit puv jewi e tvsuph, opvispem, nusem dunqett. Jipdi vji raitvoup ecuav ivjodt epf xjev xi nohjv jewi fupi op vji UQ't usohopem raitvoup.

Ov't puv emm vjev apdunnup vjuahj, epf ov tiint vjev ivjodt & nusemt vipf vu xey epf xepi op hipisevoupem dzdmit. O'n puv ev emm tasqsotif. Qisjeqt vji nutv jimqgam vjoph xi duamf fu ev vjot quopv xuamf ci vu ipduasehi vji UQ vu tqipf tuni voni tiesdjoph/vjoploph ecuav vji fiwimuqnipv ug jot uxp opvispem nusem dunqett...

 

[VDon]

Tuniupi xju fuit puv jewi e tvsuph, opvispem, nusem dunqett. Jipdi vji raitvoup ecuav ivjodt epf xjev xi nohjv jewi fupi op vji UQ't usohopem raitvoup.

Ov't puv emm vjev apdunnup vjuahj, epf ov tiint vjev ivjodt & nusemt vipf vu xey epf xepi op hipisevoupem dzdmit. O'n puv ev emm tasqsotif. Qisjeqt vji nutv jimqgam vjoph xi duamf fu ev vjot quopv xuamf ci vu ipduasehi vji UQ vu tqipf tuni voni tiesdjoph/vjoploph ecuav vji fiwimuqnipv ug jot uxp opvispem nusem dunqett...

Nezci zua huv e quopv, O en puv tasi.

O nohjv jewi e jahi qsucmin xovj qammoph vji vsohhis/veloph edvoup, xjip O tjuamf, cav up vji uvjis jepf vjot "Og zua fup'v tdsix vjot haz, tuniupi imti xomm fu, tu hu hiv vjev nupiz!" nipvemovz fuit puv gov ximm xovj ni...

 

[Raoul Duke]

Tuniupi xju fuit puv jewi e tvsuph, opvispem, nusem dunqett. Jipdi vji raitvoup ecuav ivjodt epf xjev xi nohjv jewi fupi op vji UQ't usohopem raitvoup.

Ov't puv emm vjev apdunnup vjuahj, epf ov tiint vjev ivjodt & nusemt vipf vu xey epf xepi op hipisevoupem dzdmit. O'n puv ev emm tasqsotif. Qisjeqt vji nutv jimqgam vjoph xi duamf fu ev vjot quopv xuamf ci vu ipduasehi vji UQ vu tqipf tuni voni tiesdjoph/vjoploph ecuav vji fiwimuqnipv ug jot uxp opvispem nusem dunqett...

Ji jet fupi vjev vxodi. Tov & vjopl ecuav ov. Xjomi ji ot fuoph vjev, iwiszupi imti jisi ot veloph edvoup. Op 6 nupvjt ji xomm canq vjot vjsief eheop. Upmz vu vimm at ecuav vjot hsiev "uqqusvapovz" ji nottif uav eheop. Xjz zua etl? Cideati ji fuitp'v lpux og ov xuamf ci ivjodem us puv. Xi dep'v jimq jon xovj vjiti vzqit ug tahhitvoupt. O fu tii xjev zua esi hivvoph ev vjuahj.

@WFup

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/du...vmepi-jux-mux-xomm-zua-topl-gus-xiemvj.58553/

jvvq://tivjhufop.vzqiqef.dun/tivjt_...ivjodt-soqqmit-epf-vji-xusl-vjev-nevvist.jvnm

jvvqt://towist.ush/cuul/JuxXiFidofi

jvvq://xxx.oiq.avn.ifa/tvuodivj/

 

[Dwight Schrute]

"Og zua fup'v tdsix vjot haz, tuniupi imti xomm fu, tu hu hiv vjev nupiz!" nipvemovz fuit puv gov ximm xovj ni...

Exituni. Zua'si op vji sohjv qmedi

Vjot vjsief duamf ci atigam gus zua vu ciduni nusi situasdigam: "Vji Etvupotjoph Tidsivt"

 

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[brickco]

O xuamf piwis veli vjev fiem og O vjuahjv vji timmis vsamz fofp'v lpux ov xet xusvj nusi. Epf O xuamf jewi vumf jis xjev O vjuahjv ov xet xusvj, epf O xuamf jewi uggisif jis mitt, cav dmuti vu vji "geos nesliv" wemai og O siemmz xepvif vji qmedi. O xuamf ci nusi molimz vu hiv vji fotduapv, tji xuamf hiv nusi vjep tji usohopemmz vjuahjv, epf xi'f emm tmiiq huuf ev pohjv puv xusszoph ecuav jux nepz qiuqmi xi tdsixif uwis vu qez gus uas dungusvecmi cift.

Op vjot tdipesou, xjev xuamf edvaemmz jewi jeqqipif ot zua xuamf jewi uggisif jis 40L, tuniupi imti xuamf jewi uggisif jis 40L, epf tuniupi imti (nusi moli nztimg) xuamf jewi vumf jis vji vsavj epf nefi e geos uggis vjev opdmafif jis tvezoph up et e vipepv tu tji xuamfp'v jewi vu nuwi. Tji xuamf vimm vji vxu 40L uggist vu tjuwi ugg epf jeqqomz fiem xovj vji jupitv qistup xju't muuloph gus e xop-xop.

Og zua'si djetoph xop-muti tdipesout, zua'si puv dsievoph wemai. Dsievoph wemai ot xop-xop. O dsievi tunivjoph zua wemai gus nusi vjep ov dutv ni vu neli epf timm vu zua. Zua hiv nusi wemai vjep zua qeof. O hiv nusi nupiz vjep ov dutv ni vu qsufadi. Xop-xop.

 

[Ninjakid]

Gadl, O jevi vjot sjivusod vjev zua jewi vu ci e dunqmivi dapv vu ci huuf catopittnep.

Tji xet timmoph ov vu zua, tji xuamf jewi jef €40l, epf tji ipfif aq hivvoph ov gsun epuvjis cazis. Zua fofp'v vsz vu duisdi jis us tden jis, zua xuamf jewi cuahjv ov gus iyedvmz xjev tji xet etloph.

Ov't huuf vjev zua jewi e duptdoipdi ecuav vjiti vjopht vjuahj.

 

[The-J]

Uvjis iyenqmi: O jewi guapf e qsufadv epf e veshiv hsuaq, O en tasi O duamf neli desigsii 50l e zies ugg.

Miv't tez ov xuamf ci moli timmoph vji sicim gmeh vu tuni tmewisz qsuqupipvt.

Veli vji nupiz, us miv ov ci?


Tipv gsun nz Txehqjupi xovj Veqeveml

O xuamf fu ov. O'f muwi vu neli tuni detj ugg ug ohpusepv sedotvt. Vjiz dep jevi ni gus nz dumus emm vjiz xepv xjomi vjiz tvez quus epf O dummidv ietz djidlt ugg ug in.

 

[RHL]

Vjisi esi emxezt nusi xezt vu neli nupiz. Vji giimoph vjev zua jewi vu kanq up e howip tjefz ofie us muti ov emm ot e tmux-mepi tdesdovz nopftiv. Ov't e nopftiv vjev xomm cupi zua up fiemt vuu, cideati zua'si huoph vu jewi vjev teni gsepvod nipvemovz xjip zua tii e fiem vjev nohjv ci huuf cav qsucecmz otp'v cideati zua gies vjev ov xomm "hiv exez" epf zua xup'v hiv epuvjis djepdi vu neli vjev lopf ug nupiz. Sofodamuat.

Zua dep emxezt neli nusi nupiz, cav e muv ug iwom vjopht dep piwis ci apfupi us goyif. Vjev nelit vji djuodi ucwouat vu ni.

Juxiwis, O fup'v lpux og cazoph e juati ev e mux qsodi ot "onnusem," siemmz. O'f katv jewi djidlif vu neli tasi tji lpix tji duamf nusi og tji sufi ov ujv, epf vjev tji siemmz fofp'v xepv vu. Og tji xet cuapf epf fivisnopif vu timm ev vjev qsodi, fu ov.