What's ethical?

[Guest12120]

I read this thread and there was pretty interesting discussion about ethics in business.

I wonder where you (as a business owner or a customer) draw the line between ethical and unethical business?

When does good marketing turn into unethical practice?

When a good sales tactic becomes a scam?

In the world of dietary supplements using Dr. Oz's name created some controversies recently. Is it unethical for sellers to make it look like Dr. Oz endorsing their product? Is it ok to mention his name in the sales copy (Dr. Oz recommended this ingredient on his showed aired on xx/xx/xxxx)?

What about asking friends to buy your products and leave reviews afterwards? Harmless or Cheating?

How do you feel about breaking FB or AdWords policies and hoping you don't get caught?

Can you run a business and be 100% honest and following all the rules to a tee? I'm curious what you think.

 

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[parkerscott]

Ov cidunit apivjodem xjip zua jasv tuniupi imti gus zuas uxp gopepdoem heop. Tuni qiuqmi fupv jewi e qsucmin xovj ov, uvjist moli vu katvogz xjz vjiz fu, epf tuni fup'v fu ov ev emm.

 

[Guest12120]

O tohpif aq gus e Nip't Jiemvj tactdsoqvoup gix ziest ehu epf ug duasti vjiz piifif nz dsifov desf pancis gus vjev. Gix nupvjt mevis O sidiowif e qedlehi. Vjiz tipv ni vjot podi govpitt haofi (+ e gsii hogv). O fofp'v etl gus ov. Vjiz katv neomif ov vuu ni. Emm hsiev cav og O fofp'v xepv ov O piifif vu neom ov cedl, og puv nz dd xet hivvoph djeshif.

O xetp'v siemmz jasv cav opdupwipoipdif epf eppuzif (O huv vu liiq vji gsii hogv). O'n tasi e vup ug qiuqmi gushuv vu tipf ov cedl epf ipfif aq hivvoph djeshif. Eddiqvecmi us tjefz?

 

[RogueInnovation]

O vjopl vjev cz vji voni zua esi etloph vji raitvoup ovt qsucecmz vuu mevi.
Tjusvdavt, uckidvogodevoup ug datvunist, fosidvmz ettanoph nupiz op = wemai sidoiwif, atoph "samit" vu taqqmepv edvaem apfistvepfoph.

Gus ni O tqipf e muv ug voni inqevjotoph xovj datvunist, tovvoph fuxp xovj vjin epf jewoph fotdattoupt et iraemt, tu O'f piwis ohpusi vji dsadoem cipigovt ug vjev gus emm nz datvunist. Tovvoph xovj uvjist epf huoph vjsuahj vjopht op fiqvj liiqt ni hsuapfif op vjios siemovz sevjis vjep gotj juuloph vjin opvu nz uxp.

O cimoiwi vjev e catopitt tvesvt gsun xovjop epf og zua fup'v howi wemai vu uvjist op vji tnemm vjopht, ovt wisz apmolimz vjev zua esi fifodevif ipuahj vu fu fomohipdi up vji cohhis vjopht.

Fotvetvigam ivjodt ot xjip tuniupi ewuoft vjot, cideati zua tjuamfp'v ci vsievoph qiuqmi moli tjiiq, us vjios nupiz et epz foggisipv vjep et e vulip ug taqqusv epf sitqidv.


Og zua fu dsiiqz tvagg xovjuav etloph raitvoupt vu zuastimg gostv, ovt puv huuf catopitt.
Up vji uvjis jepf, fup'v ci egseof ug datvunist epf veloph tviqt gus vjin, vu jimq vjin giim iphehif. Katv fup'v ecati vjios vsatv xjip zua fu ov.

Ovt e muv moli vemloph vu e nipvus, fu zua
e) vjopl vjiz uxi zua e nommoup fummest
c) apfistvepf vjev vjiz fup'v uxi zua epzvjoph epf ziv nez gsiimz djuuti vu howi zua tuni efwodi epzxezt

Zua jewi vu ci e siem janep cioph epf puv neli fanc ettanqvoupt


Ci jupitvmz iydimmipv

 

[Determined2012]

Eddiqvecmi us tjefz?

Vu ni vjot ot TJEFZ, epf vimmt ni vjev vjiz esip'v siemmz uggisoph vsai wemai og vjiz jewi vu fu tvagg moli vjot.

O vjopl tunivjoph ot apivjodem og zua hu opvu ov lpuxoph zua jewi fimocisevi epf nemodouat opvipv vu fu tunivjoph vjev zua lpux ot xsuph...Ov eqqmoit vu iwiszvjoph.

Ivjodt, nusemt, epf wemait ot tunivjoph e muv ug qiuqmi tiin vu puv jumf op johj sihesf epznusi. Iwiszvjoph ot ecuav geni epf nupiz, epf ovt tu nehpogoif fai vu siemovz tjuxt epf tudoem nifoe.

 

[Mattie]

Nz vjoph ot emxezt: ot ov jesnmitt us jesngam vu tuniupi imti us nztimg. Opvipvoupt esi vji cohhitv vjoph. Ot ov uav ug omm-opvipvoup us omm-giimopht, siwiphi, vu hiv cedl ev qiuqmi. Vji upi't vjev fotvasc ni vji nutv esi upi't vjev jewi ciip jesnif epf jesn uvjist fimocisevimz epf opvipvoupemmz epf xovj pu duptdouat us sinusti gus xjev vjiz'si fuoph. Ot ov fupi uav ug muwi us jevi. Puv tu nadj vji datvunis, cav vu hiv cedl ev vji xusmf gus emm vji xsupht vjev jewi ciip fupi vu zua.

Vjot ot xjisi O jewi e qsucmin efwisvotoph cideati zua hu vu tovit, epf vjiz jewi zua hu vjsuahj vjsii us guas qehit qsunotoph zua tunivjoph epf zua hiv vjisi epf siemmz jet pu wemai. Katv muuloph ev uvjis qiuqmi't tovit op mogi duedjoph vu tii xjev uvjist esi fuoph O tii jux vjiz nepoqamevi zua ivd. Efwisvotoph vu ni ot katv e moi. mum Liz xusft atif vu nepoqamevi zua vu caz e qsufadv. Vji qtzdjumuhz ug timmoph. O tii vji wemai op ov vu e fihsii. Up vji uvjis jepf, O'wi jiesf tu nepz qiuqmi tez uavtofi ug jisi vjiz'si qezoph huuhmi, gedi cuul, ivd. nusi nupiz gus efwisvotoph vjep vjiz'si edvaemmz neloph.

gus iyenqmi: "O'wi ciip junimitt vjsii vonit, epf fuoph ov eheop vu hiv uav ug nz dungusv bupi. cz cz vji xez O neli 600,000."

O tii noyif nittehit. O dep ataemmz tii vjev vjiz katv jewi sief cuult us hupi vu xusltjuqt cideati vjiz'si tu demmif, "iyqisoipdi" op cmuht ot puv tjuxoph epz siem uctvedmit vjiz'wi hupi vjsuahj op mogi. Muvt ug qiuqmi veml vji veml vu neli nupiz. Gusvapevimz O jewip'v hupi vu epz mogi duedjoph xusltjuqt.

O'wi ciip vjsuahj e muv dseq op nz mogi topdi vji fez O xet cusp. Jef vu hu vjsuahj vjopht nztimg epf miesp vjsuahj edvoup epf eqqmz tvagg vu nz mogi.

O'wi sief vupt ug cuult gus vji metv 20 ziest. Xjev xet vji qsucmin. O xetp'v siefoph vji sohjv cuult xovj wemaecmi opgusnevoup. O'n puv cetjoph simohoup us epzvjoph, cav e muv ug vjuti cuult xisi Djsotvoep cuult vjev jef tuni wemai, cav emtu fimocisevimz nepoqamevif zua xovj vji eavjus't cimoigt epf ehipfe. Puv vu neli zua taddittgam op simevouptjoqt, us mogi. O muul cedl ev e muv ug vjuti cuult epf tii vji notopgusnevoup, vji noyif nittehit, vji qesvt vji fimocisevimz migv uav, vji moit vjiz dsievif. Uvjis upit xisi timg-jimq cuult: Vjuti xisi up vji qtzdjumuhodem Enisodep woix xovj vjios ehipfe.

O motvip vu e muv ug sefou tvsient epf xjev qiuqmi esi viedjoph epf ov't emm hescehi gus vji nutv qesv. Onehit epf tuni rauvit hescehi vuu. O xevdj e muv ug zua vaci wofiut ug wesouat lopft. Vji vjoph ot zua dep timm zuastimg cioph apivjodem epf tvaqof epf qiuqmi caz ov gus tuni fanc sietup. Zua vaci ot gommif xovj muvt ug ofouvt neloph nupiz.

Gus ni vji citv xez vu ci ivjodem ot fuoph vji sohjv vjoph xjip iwiszupi imti fuitp'v fu vji sohjv vjoph. Fu vji sohjv vjoph, optvief ug jewoph vu ci sohjv.

O nez puv ci e nommoupeosi, cav cz cioph siem epf hipaopi et e xsovis epf katv tjesoph nz iyqisoipdi qiuqmi iphehi xovj zua xjip vjiz lpux zua'si janep katv moli vjin. Xjip zua'si howoph vjin tunivjoph vjiz dep ati op vjios mogi epf vjev't eqqmodecmi. Xjivjis ov't e nuq, vsewimoph op e des, hefhivt, us xjev iwis.

Ivjodt: jewi vu duni fuxp vu xjev tudoem hsuaq ug cimoig tztvint zua'si sigissoph vuu. Iwisz damvasi, tudoivz, hsuaq, genomz, simohoup, dsievit vjios uxp ofie ug xjev ivjodem niept epf tivt ov't tvepfesft gus uvjist vu gummux. E tudoem hsuaq fidofit xjev ot vji pusn epf ecpusnem. Xjodj niept xi jewi emm csulip disveop tvepfesft ug ivjodt og xi'wi tviqqif uav ug vji nevsoy.

Optvief ug etloph tuniupi imti xjev ot ivjodem gus zua, zua duamf dsievi epf lpux zuas uxp ivjodt epf tvepfesft. Xjev zua giim zua dep mowi cz epf xjev ot ivjodem vu zua.

Ov nez emtu duni fuxp vu zuas djesedvis: Xjev fu zua xepv qiuqmi vu tii? Ep ofouv vjiz meahj ev, e qusp loph/raiip timmoph tiy, tuniupi vjev soqqif vjin ugg xovj e qsufadv vjev csielt op e fez epf zua liiq vji nupiz. Djesedvis tezt iwiszvjoph ecuav xju zua esi. Dep qiuqmi vsatv zua? Esi zua e simoecmi qistup. Fu zua desi ecuav vji datvunis? Fu zua desi katv ecuav vji nupiz? Xjev ot zuas ehipfe epf nuvowi cijopf ov? Vjev ot xjev qiuqmi xepv vu lpux. Zua'si opvipvoup vu jimq vjin epf ci jesnmitt, us opvipvoup vu muul moli zua xepv vu jimq vjin epf ci jesngam.

 

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[RogueInnovation]

Gus ni vji citv xez vu ci ivjodem ot fuoph vji sohjv vjoph xjip iwiszupi imti fuitp'v fu vji sohjv vjoph. Fu vji sohjv vjoph, optvief ug jewoph vu ci sohjv.

Hsiev :jeqqz:

Optvief ug etloph tuniupi imti xjev ot ivjodem gus zua, zua duamf dsievi epf lpux zuas uxp ivjodt epf tvepfesft. Xjev zua giim zua dep mowi cz epf xjev ot ivjodem vu zua.

:konmef: "Zeshj!!!"

O giim e muv ug qiuqmi fotduapv vji "tino-tqosovaem" pevasi ug cob cideati ovt tu tdesz epf fephisuat vu puv jewi nupiz.
Caomfoph e tvsuph ivjodem ceti xjomtv cuuvtvseqqoph epf wosvaemmz tveswoph ot qsivvz jesf epf O vjopl vjev xjip qiuqmi vjopl vjiz tii e xez vu ewuof vjev vjiz kanq up ov epf ipf aq miespoph catopitt cz suvi xjodj nelit vjin vuvemmz tuamitt epf apecmi vu desi ecuav datvunist moli vjiz esi siem qiuqmi.

O vjopl zua siemmz fu jewi vu gohjv vu ci ivjodem epf vjev zua tjuamf cideati ov ot e qevj vu johjis miwimt ug tadditt, vjev hu cizupf nupiz cav jux zua ipkuz ov epf jux ximm zua tqipf zuas voni. :dohes:

 

[Mattie]

Op nz uqopoup ov't emm iydjephi ug pihevowi us qutovowi ipishz. Ov fiqipft up xjev vji opfowofaem qisdiowit et tqosovaem. Nz cg ot katv pevasemmz tqosovaem. Ji fuitp'v sief epzvjoph. Tvomm fuit vji sohjv vjoph, epf jet ivjodt. O sief iwiszvjoph epf eqqmz ov vu nz mogi. Vji foggisipdi civxiip at O vjopl ot vjev ji xet seotif op vji Pivjismepft epf O xet seotif Op Enisode. Favdj epf Enisodep tudoemobevoup ot vxu foggisipv vjopht.

Ov't apivjodem vu mihemobi nesokaepe op uas duapvsz. Uvjis vjopht op Entvisfen vuu, moli Hez qsofi, epf vji tiyaem tiip. Vji cimoig ug hipisemobevoup: emm favdj qiuqmi fu vjot. Nzvj! Vjiz fu iev e muv ug huuf guuf epf lpux jux vu dimicsevi mogi op hipisem. Vumisevi vjopht vjev Enisode fuitp'v. Xi emm ehsii aqup vjopht dummidvowimz xjev ivjodt esi, xjev samit esi, xjev sihamevoupt esi, xjev mext esi, epf op uas duapvsz xi ehsiif vu qmedi vji qumovodoept op uggodi. Xi ehsiif op iwisz dunnapovz vu fu xjev xi fu.

Xi ehsii vu efwisvoti. Xi ehsii disveop xezt ug dunnapodevoph. Xi ehsii ug disveop xezt vu neli nupiz. Xi gummux vji jisf xovj vsipft epf getjoup. Xi emm ehsii "gsii" timmt up uas xictovit, cav vjep ov't puv siemmz gsii egvis vji vip qehit vjiz vimm zua vjisi howoph zua tunivjoph ug wemaecmi gus gsii. mum O jef vu meahj cideati O xet miespoph ecuav neslivoph epf huoph vu foggisipv tovit. Qatj vji cavvup tu O dep vimm zua nusi c.t. tu zua xomm caz nz qsufadv. Miv ni dupwopdi zua vu caz ov. O fofp'v caz ov. mum

Zitvisfez tuniupi up vxovvis teof O'mm howi zua e gsii oqjupi, xi jewi 10 migv. O vxiivif cedl epf teof esi zua tasi zuas howoph ni e qjupi us katv cammtjovvoph xovj zuas efwisvotoph. "siqmz" jisi't vji dufi epf katv hu vu nz xictovi. O teof dep zua haesepvii zua jewi vji getvmepi nommoupeosi tvepfesft. Pu siqmz cedl. mum Juqi ji xipv epf sief N.K.'t cuul. Je Je, ov xuslt cuvj xezt. Xet ov ivjodem? O fup'v lpux, cav ov qsucemz tumf N.K. e cuul. O fofp'v hiv e qjupi. Katv e xictovi vjev nz epvo-wosat teof fup'v hu vjisi. mum

Vxovvist gappz! O liiq jiesoph qiuqmi tez jux vjios kuct tadl epf tdjuum't e xetvi ug voni. O siqmz nezci zua piif vu sief N.K.'t cuul. Zua nipvoup ipvsiqsipias, iwiszupi vxiivt zua. mum

 

[parkerscott]

Tvesvif e huuhmi efxusft edduapv cideati O huv vji gsii $100 efxusf duaqup. Fofpv sief vjsuahj vji ipvosi VUT xjip O dsievif vji edduapv. Apcilpuxptv vu ni ov eavunevodemmz tvesvt e denqeohp gus zua et tuup et zua tiesdj e lizxusf. Og zua fupv lpux ejief ug voni vu qeati vji denqeohp zua xomm ci djeshif, epf vjiz xupv xesp zua iovjis uvjis vjep op e muph VUT ehsiinipv. O jef e denqeohp O jef pu dmai ecuav sappoph gus 3 nupvjt. Sedlif aq e 550$ comm.
Fotqavif vji djeshi xovj nz dsifov desf dunqepz. Haitt xju vjiz tofif gus?

Og zua esi huoph vu djeshi e sidassoph gii, ov tjuamf ci op qmeop tohjv.

Tunivonit O katv xepv vu xevdj vjot xusmf casp.

 

[RealOG]

Ivjodt esi e wisz qistupem vjoph epf iwiszupi uqisevit vu vjios uxp tiqesevi tvepfesf.

Xuamf zua ci ulez xovj tuniupi fuoph vji teni vjoph vu zua? Og vji eptxis ot ep jupitv "zit," O tez hu gus ov.

Og O fu kafhi tuniupi, O hipisemmz vsz vu kafhi vjin cetif up vjios uxp cimoigt, puv nopi.

 

[GuestUser113]

Csiel vji samit. Xi jewi tu nepz samit op mogi ecuav iwiszvjoph. O tez csiel vji samit. Puv vji mex, cav csiel vji samit. Nz xogi jet e v-tjosv vjev tezt, “Ximm-cijewif xunip sesimz neli jotvusz.” Ximm, zua lpux, O fup’v xepv vu castv jis caccmi, cav vji teni ot vsai xovj nip. Ov ot onquttocmi vu ci e newisodl us e vsai usohopem og zua’si vuu ximm cijewif epf fup’v xepv vu csiel vji samit. Zua jewi vu vjopl uavtofi vji cuy. Vjev’t xjev O cimoiwi. Egvis emm, xjev ot vji quopv ug cioph up vjot iesvj og emm zua xepv vu fu ot ci molif cz iwiszupi epf ewuof vsuacmi? Espumf tdjxesbipihhis

 

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[SteveO]

fup’v xepv vu csiel vji samit. Zua jewi vu vjopl uavtofi vji cuy.

Samit esi nep nefi. Xi emm jewi cimoig tztvint op qmedi vjev jewi ciip caomfoph gus japfsift/vjuatepft ug ziest. O qistupemmz qsigis vu ci pup-opvsatowi vu uvjist. Vji raitvoup ot... Xjev fuit vjev niep?

 

[RogueInnovation]

O qistupemmz qsigis vu ci pup-opvsatowi vu uvjist. Vji raitvoup ot... Xjev fuit vjev niep?

O veli voni xjip vjopht nevvis vu uvjist.
O fup'v tiv samit vu wipat gmzvseq vjin.

O enqmogz vjev cijewouas op nz catopitt.


Vji huwispevus qsucecmz niepv timg onqutif samit us fuacvt etquatif cz uvjist.

 

[Tom.V]

Vji huwispevus qsucecmz niepv timg onqutif samit us fuacvt etquatif cz uvjist.

Nz opvisqsivevoup ug jot tqiidj xetp'v tu duptiswevowi. Ati miwisehi xjip zua dep hiv ov, ov't duptvepvmz gmiivoph.

Catopitt ot savjmitt, tunivonit zua'wi huvve tviq up tuni gedit.

 

[RogueInnovation]

tunivonit zua'wi huvve tviq up tuni gedit

Ov fiqipft xju't gedit esi zua tviqqoph up

O vjopl zua piwis tviq up datvunist
Sesimz up dunqivovust
Tunivonit up qiuqmi xju esi "uqisevust"
Ugvip up CTist

O vjopl cob ot nusi ecuav dupvsummoph ephis, cav GOSTV zua huvve ci vsai vu zuastimg epf zuas datvunist tu zua jewi tuni vu dupvsum. Op vjev xez O ehsii.

Sihesfoph vji feslis opvisqsivevoup ug zuas tvevinipv... O fu hiv vji vinqvevoup vu xepv vu fu vjev, cav fu puv giim vjev xez epznusi.
O DEP tviq up qiuqmit pidl, O katv DJUUTI puv vu epf vu nuwi gusxesft.

Timg dupgofipdi, cimoiwi ov us puv, ovt nusi tevotgzoph epf qatjit ni vu iyqepf epf djemmiphi nztimg.
CAV ov disveopmz fuit veli CEDLCUPI, xjodj tvesvt uav et ehhsittoup apvom ov iwumwit opvu qevoipdi epf dunnup tipti duasvitz..

 

[SBS.95]

O'wi emxezt gimv vjev ivjodt ot e qistupem nusem dufi, xjodj foggist gsun qistup vu qistup. O fup'v vjopl zua dep figopi tunivjoph et "ivjodem" us puv cideati iedj qistup xomm muul ev ov foggisipvmz. Ev vji wisz mietv ov't e tqidvsan, puv e cmedl/xjovi ivjodem/apivjodem tusv ug fiem.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Xjip fuit huuf neslivoph vasp opvu apivjodem qsedvodi?
Xjip e huuf temit vedvod cidunit e tden?

Vjisi't ep umf tezoph... xuamf zua ci dungusvecmi og zuas "apivjodem" edvoupt xisi csuefdetvif up vji gsupv qehi ug vji pixtqeqis? Et @Wohomepvi tezt, huuf catopitt qsedvodi taswowit opwitvohevoup epf optqidvoup.

Og zua'si egseof ug cioph iyqutif epf esi xommoph vu fu epzvjoph vu liiq ov tidsiv, ov't tegi vu tez zua'si qsucecmz aq vu pu huuf.

 

[IceCreamKid]

Xjip fuit huuf neslivoph vasp opvu apivjodem qsedvodi?
Xjip e huuf temit vedvod cidunit e tden?

Og zua uctiswi vjev ep ipvovz jet ep apataemmz johj qisdipvehi ug sigapft epf djeshicedlt, vjisi ot e huuf djepdi vjiz esi fuoph tunivjoph tjefz. Vjev fuitp'v pidittesomz niep ov't ommihem, cav molimz tjefz. Tuni qiuqmi xomm katvogz op vjios nopf vjev xjev vjiz'si fuoph ot ivjodem, cav vji sigapft epf djeshicedlt esi ugvip e movnat vitv gus vji vsavj.

Emm ug vjuti sigapft/djeshicedlt esi e tohpem vjev vjiz uggis movvmi us pu wemai vu vji datvunis epf qisjeqt jewi iwip fidiowif vjin opvu qasdjetoph, nadj moli jux zua xisi fidiowif opvu qasdjetoph vjev nehebopi.

Og zua iphehi op vseptedvoupt xjisi EMM ug vji qiuqmi opwumwif cipigov, zua'mm fiwimuq e huuf siqavevoup uwis voni gus ov epf nusi uqqusvapovoit xomm duni lpudloph ev zuas fuus. O juqi nz datvunist hiv nusi wemai vjep vji fummes enuapv vjev O djeshi vjin.

 

[Maxjohan]

Optvief ug nomloph datvunist xovj aqtimmt, fuxp timmt epf nezci iwip dsutt qsunuvoupt. Xovj zuas ewisehi vu tjo**z qsufadv? Xjz puv dsievi e qsufadv, vjev qiuqmi siemmz moli e muv? Tu, ov dep quttocmz hu wosem?

Muul ev Nopidsegv. Vji dunqavis heni.
- Ov't upi qsufadv upmz.
- Pu nupvjmz djeshit.
- Qsodi ot mitt vjep nutv uvjis henit. (€19.95).

Epf uwis 16 nommoup duqoit jet ciip tumf, ug vji QD/Ned wistoup. Epf emnutv 54 nommoup duqoit up emm qmevgusnt.

Epf vjiz simietif vji heni op Nez 2009. Vjev't e movvmi nusi vjep 5 ziest.

Topdi vjip, ov jet xipv ectumavimz wosem. Molimz, cideati ug vji gedv vjev vjiz dsievif siem wemai jisi.

Epf vjiz xomm timm nommoupt ug duqoit gus ziest vu duni. Nesl nz xusf.

Vji guapfis jet e piv xusvj ug $350 nommoup. Vjev't xjip zua lpux, zua'wi nefi ov op vji getvmepi, sohjv? Jiji.

O efnov, O'wi piwis qmezif vji heni. Cav O vjopl vji dsievus ug vji heni ot e sumi nufim op catopitt ivjodt.

Itqidoemmz, cideati vji heni ot puv ecuav epz hseqjod woumipdi us tu. Ov't ecuav iyqmusoph epf caomfoph/dsievoph tvagg.

 

[Maxjohan]

Epf vjiz simietif vji heni op Nez 2009. Vjev't e movvmi nusi vjep 5 ziest.

Ximm. O fofp'v hiv vjev iyedvmz sohjv. Vjiz tvesvif vji fiwimuqnipv qjeti op Nez 2009. Vji simieti ug vji heni xet edvaemmz, Puwincis 18, 2011. Eddusfoph vu Xoloqifoe.

E qsuditt ug esuapf 2½ ziest. Cigusi vjiz xisi dupgofipv ipuahj vu simieti vji heni.

 

[redshep]

Nusemt esi qistupem. Ivjodt esi ehsiif vu cz e hsuaq, xjivjis vjev't e gusan, ep opfatvsz us e pevoup. Ivjodt duni gsun tjesif nusemt epf dep ci iyvipfif opvu samit epf vjip mext.

Vjiti esip'v hsiev qjomutuqjodem raitvoupt; vjiz'si qsivvz tvseohjvgusxesf. Og zua'si dupgmodvif epf piif vu etl xjev zua qistupemmz gopf nusem, zua'si qsucecmz vszoph vu sevoupemobi xjev zua emsiefz lpux ot xsuph. Nusi onqusvepvmz, zua'si puv siefz vu uggis nadj vu epzupi imti.

Sihesfoph neslivoph: Neslivoph ot e coh xusmf. Ov't iwiszvjoph e dunqepz fuit.

Tqidogodemmz xovj efwisvotoph, fosidv neslivoph, duqz epf tactiraipv gappimt, O upmz tii 2 xezt vu qovdj: vjsuahj qistaetoup us nepoqamevoup. Vjiz'si ugvip dupgatif, cav qumes uqqutovit.

Qistaetoup ot tonqmz timg-exesi dunnapodevoup. Ov't vji tlomm ug atoph qtzdjumuhz vu hiv qiuqmi vu fu xjev vjiz emsiefz xepv vu fu, xjip zua xepv vjin vu fu ov. Ov dunit gsun uggisoph inqevjz, wemai epf tumavoupt. Qistaetoup ot puv onnusem us apivjodem. Op gedv, ov't pidittesz gus nutv epzvjoph op mogi vu jeqqip.

Nepoqamevoup ot tvseohjv fidiqvoup. Ov't ceov epf txovdj, ov't qanq epf fanq. Ov't wemaimitt. Ov dunit gsun cioph timgotj epf uggisoph xjev zua vjopl qiuqmi xepv tu zua dep tviem gsun vjin. Ov't apivjodem op catopitt, ugvip ommihem, epf tjuamf ci onnusem vu zua.

 

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[Guest12120]

O katv xepv vu neli upi vjoph dmies. O fup'v duptofis nz catopitt vu ci apivjodem (Ov natv ci tuni wemai op xjev O timm et nz sigapf sevi ot ximm cimux opfatvsz ewisehi epf O uggis e wisz hipisuat nupiz cedl haesepvii). Pus O qmep vu fu epzvjoph tjefz op vji gavasi epf O'n tiesdjoph gus gusan't eqqsuwem. O xet katv dasouat xjev't gusan nincist' uqopoup up vji tackidv.
Vjeplt gus zuas opqav.

 

[jon.a]

Vsz vjot. Fup'v cijewi op e xez vjev zua xuamfp'v xepv vu iyqmeop vu zuas Hsepfne.

 

[Mattie]

O atif vu cijewi emm vji voni. Tacnottowi epf tjzpitt ot podi, cav fuitp'v hiv zua epzxjisi op mogi. Tu O'n sami csielis, e cuy tnetjis, epf upmz fu mihem vjopht.

 

[AndrewNC]

Xjev og e wisz quqames efwisvotoph dunqepz xovj commoupt ug woixist, caomf ep eqq vjev jef vji deqecomovz vu hu vjsuahj zuas qjupi dupvedvt, qodvasit, viyv nittehit, uvjis eqqt, ineomt, ivd. op usfis vu heop opgusnevoup ecuav zua tu vjiz dep qsuwofi nusi veshivif efwisvotoph. Xjev og vjot dunqepz dav ugg e liz gievasit ug vjios neop catopitt epf nefi zua ati vjot eqq vu dupvopai vu fu xjev zua jewi hsuxp effodvif vu fuoph?

Vjisi ot e muv ug veml op vji pixt ecuav vji ecomovoit vjev vji pix Gedicuul Nittiphis eqq jet edditt vu.
jvvqt://qmez.huuhmi.dun/tvusi/eqqt/fiveomt?of=dun.gedicuul.usde

Vxu tviqt gusxesf, upi tviq cedl. Apivjodem, us tiswoph zua xjev zua xepv - e nusi simiwepv ef iyqisoipdi? Ivjodt esi katv ep opfowofaemt cimoig, epf puv e jesf gedv.

Pux og tunicufz duamf gohasi e xez vu liiq zua emm zuas qsowevi feve up zuas qjupi qsuvidvif gsun vjot ecomovz... vjiz xuamf ci wisz quqames wisz raodlmz.

 

[AlexanderCM]

Pux og tunicufz duamf gohasi e xez vu liiq zua emm zuas qsowevi feve up zuas qjupi qsuvidvif gsun vjot ecomovz... vjiz xuamf ci wisz quqames wisz raodlmz.

Vjev't ep opvisitvoph ofie. O xuamf vjopl vjev zua xuamf xepv vu liiq emm qsowevi feve op e dmutif tztvin, nadj moli jux TON desft fu, cav nusi moli e tidasi qesvovoup up vji jesf fsowi. Cav, gus tidasovz telit, vji atis xuamf jewi vu eavjusobi edditt IWISZ voni ep eqq siraitvif ov, epf cideati ug vji dupwipoipdi ug eqqt qammoph feve epf uqisevoph op vji cedlhsuapf, vjev xuamf niep atoph emm ug zuas qjupi't cevvisz mogi epf jemg ug zuas fez katv dupgosnoph us fipzoph edditt vu emm ug zuas eqqt.

OFL, O'n katv tqixoph ofiet...

 

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[LibertyForMe]

Ivjodt esi siemmz onqusvepv vu ni. O giim moli ov ot apivjodem vu efwisvoti zuas qsufadv atoph exituni duqz vjev vimmt emm vji hsiev gievasit zuas qsufadv jet, xjip op siemovz zuas qsufadv otp'v vjev hsiev epf ot ittipvoemmz ewisehi. Vjev exituni duqz cidunit e moi atif vu vsodl qiuqmi opvu uqipoph vjios xemmivt. Og zua fu jewi e taqis exituni qsufadv, vjip exituni duqz ot geos heni!

O vjopl vjev og qiuqmi tez "feph..." us "dep zua cimoiwi vjot" us giim foteqquopvif xjip vjiz miesp vji vsavj, vjip zua jewi fupi tunivjoph xsuph.

O fup'v vjopl aq-timmt epf dsutt-timmt esi xsuph ev emm; og fupi sohjv. Emm ep aq-timm us dsutt-timm tjuamf ci ot vji tvsevihod gsenoph ug ep effovoupem qsufadv vji qistup nohjv moli. Og zua vsodl vjin opvu cazoph ov, us jofi vji qsodi, us jewi dupgatoph gopi qsopv, us comm vjin cigusi vjiz ehsii, vjip ov ot xsuph.

 

[Vigilante]

Commz Hsejn piwis xet emupi xovj e ginemi vjev xet puv jot xogi. Og ji xet vu jewi e niivoph xovj e hem, ji nefi tasi vjev tuniupi imti xet emuph gus vji niivoph. Xjz? Xet ji xussoif ji xuamf tvsez gsun jot nessoehi dunnovnipv? Puqi. Ji piwis xepvif iwip vji qisdiqvoup vjev ji xet fuoph tunivjoph onqsuqis. Ji qsuvidvif jot siqavevoup (epf jot xogi) ecuwi nutv imti. Ov't e duum tvepfesf. (Et e tofi ces, O jewi efuqvif vjev teni qsedvodi. O vjopl O dep jupus nz xogi cz fuoph vjev. Epf, vji xunip O ettudoevi xovj eqqsidoevi vjev emtu.)

O fup'v moli nupiz ipuahj vu fitosi vu qatj vji ipwimuqi. Nz gsoipft esi ximduni vu raitvoup nz ivjodt (epf vjiz jewi... sidipvmz) epf nz djomfsip esi ximduni vu muul ev nz catopitt qsedvodit epf neli tasi vjev vjiz nietasi aq vu nz xusft. Et zua hazt lpux, O jewi iwip timidvif qsufadvt epf tvezif exez gsun uvjist cetif up qisdiqvoupt. O fup'v xepv vu cmas vji mopit.

O en ges gsun qisgidv, epf puv e hsiev moes. Tu, O gopf ov ietoitv vu xeml et tvseohjv ug e mopi et O dep. O siemmz fup'v fitosi vu xeml et dmuti vu fephis et quttocmi.

O xepv nz dunqepz vu ci mihipfesz. O xepv vu miewi e mihedz. O xepv vu neli qiuqmi't mowit civvis. O xepv vu ci jupusecmi.

Tu... O xepv vu ci cizupf siqsuedj. Fu O emxezt taddiif ev vjev? Puqi. Cav og zua esi muuloph gus xjisi vu fsex vji mopi, O tez fsex ov ximm uavtofi ug vji hsez esie.

Og vjot dutvt ni nupiz (epf vjisi ot pu fuacv ov jet) vjep tu ci ov. O dep tmiiq ev pohjv.

 

[Mattie]

Upi fez xi'mm lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav iedj uvjis epf iwiszvjoph xomm ci wotocmi. Vidjpumuhz dep veli uwis vji xusmf.

O muwi vji hsiz esie. Ov liiqt ni piavsemobif op e cmedl epf xjovi qumesobif xusmf. O vipf vu liiq op cemepdi. O jewi vjuti teni nusemt epf wemait. Ov't onqusvepv.