Women surpassing men?

[heavy_industry]

Is this some sort of contest of trying to get as many threads in the #landfill as possible?

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I don't understand what is your point.

Want to watch YouTube videos about compassion and expressing emotions? Go do that.

If, however, you want to run a business or achieve any level of success in life, being open, vulnerable, and crying won't get you very far.

Competence will.

 

[Spenny]

What I've come to realise about the ideas for a while is that manosphere is that the majority of them are goofy & require you to be angry or annoyed to sustain themselves.

I felt jealous, insecure and envious of women "surpassing" men using subscribers as criteria, it is ridiculous, but yet sincere, it was and is the point of this thread, but look, you're right, no control over it.

I always felt insecure my whole life, but mostly.

If you look closely without your ego trying to cover up reality women are literally surpassing men.

then someone is better than me, faster than me, effortlessly pulling up 100x more and he is younger than me, it is my deepest fear, to be less than someone, to find out my wrongness, my mistakes, it is like that deep, I hope it never happens, I am waiting for the moment when I will be perfect, but it will never come, but I am hoping, I hope it comes you know, I just want it, I want it more than anything in this world, to be perfect, better than everyone and better than myself by 10x each day in every aspect of my life.

Case in point. Fear, annoyance, insecurity, "not enough to go around" ideas (a scarcity mindset). It's how many people are kept in these circles for so long without smelling the syrup and saying, "Hey, it's not all that bad after all."

For such a movement that encourages you to be a strong man, there is an awful lot of whining about others, looking to dominate people & not uplift them because they are "competition" and a lack of emotional control.

A lot of the self-improvement guys refer to a lot of bro-science, with no scientific sources or any reason to speak on such subjects. Only now have I realised, while writing a chemistry thesis, how in-depth you must be to understand a topic. However, I see many YouTubers making outlandish claims without sources to back them up—especially with evolutionary psychology.

When actual academics who have studied this for decades, such as Macken Murphy, come in with facts, you find a lot of stuff is just hogwash.

"Oh, but they're a part of the leftist agenda to make you all feminised! Scientists cannot be trusted!".

My brother in Christ, your best 'sources' are anecdotal.

And here it is another thing, my lifesaver youtuber Hamza has less subscribers, more years of putting into effort, probably seven, than Thewizardliz which has only 30 videos (shorts not mentioned) and two years of experience, no editing and thumbnails on vidros and around six millions subscribers and cult like fans.

He is not your saviour. I have no idea why you're mad about someone else's success or if they "deserve" more success. It doesn't impact you.

Also, Hamza is a man. Like you. With flaws & strengths.

• He went on a degeneracy streak, binge drinking, back-to-back clubbing, and lots of PUA. I'm pretty sure he flunked his degree as a result of it.
• He's had messy breakups.
• He's gone through a lot of difficulties as a child

With that said:

• He also made a massive YouTube channel helping a lot of men. Hell, he even directed me to this forum.

He has said something resonating with you, and you made a change. Great. That doesn't change the fact that humans still run this 2.31M subscriber channel. They have blind spots, biases, correct points, and incorrect points. They have difficulties and fears.

I wouldn't ever consider anybody I've watched, listened to, or read about online "my lifesaver". That's a recipe for ideological possession. Sure, they have great ideas, and sure, they may have changed my views, but I applied them. I don't owe them anything, nor do they owe me. I did the work.

Ideas are ideas, and I can change my mind at any point if a compelling argument is given to me. I've been ideologically possessed before, and it stunts growth because it's all about me, me, me - never considering the other.

Another thing to look at is if there is a conflict of interest between these people. Why are they pushing these ideas?

• Andrew Tate --> Hustlers University
• Hamza --> Adonis School
• Clickbait titles & gender war pushing (Fresh & Fit/whatever.) --> more views + clicks.

This goes for anything. Are they selling something? Are you a part of their sales funnel?

I am not talking about this exactly, but that for women it is actually became much more easier and for us to fall on their traps as well, it is hard, but for man it can be even more effortless than for anyone, there is a man like you or me, and there is men literally most men, for us it was always hard,

It's never been easy for either- it's been pretty crap for both sides historically. Addressing one doesn't neglect the other.

Another thing - this is outside of the locus of control. What can you control? I'm sure if you provided value to people, they wouldn't care who you are.

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I just wanted someone's opinion more different than mine, I never rely on myself, look how f*cked my points can be?

It's simply because you're unhinged at the moment. I'll explain.

It sounds... so ambitious... thank you, really, I appreciate it, whole world is and will be meaningless, but I now see the insane value of competition and being better and making someone worse than you is incredibly valuable to world, it is like my egotism met my altruism, IT IS F*CKING AMAZING, THNX, YET THERE IS MORE better philosophies or ways to think about the world and we're all certainly wrong, but it seems less wrong than my and most ideas about competition.

You've only just been given an alternative point of view, and you've jumped ship. Chill. Remove the emotions. Think about it: things shouldn't always be events or major transformations every second. Sometimes, it takes a while to form our thoughts about something.

If you're looking for any different opinions, go to those who critique it and form your own opinion. Here are some good sources for alternative views of the manosphere.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6_TOFy3k6k&ab_channel=Shaun

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1FkO7Tr70A&t=1s&ab_channel=F.DSignifier

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgO25FTwfRI&t=235s&ab_channel=m%C3%BCnecat


I'm not saying I support them. I'm saying listen to both and form an opinion. You'll hear uncomfortable things and alternative perspectives & have to evaluate your stances. Chew the meat and spit out the bones.

Also, your overall writing style sounds like Hamza is speaking, not you. Even the way you're writing sounds like one of his scripts.

Be sure you're not ideologically possessed, as seen in this thread. Take back control and stop watching YouTube for a while. Enjoy yourself and make some value instead of ranting about a fake gender war.

 

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[Mikkel]

am not talking about you specifically or me, but about industry and most of us, and culture, in this case it is maybe right, but in the case of individuals or man vs. woman it is 50/50, but in industry side it is men vs. women 20/80 in my opinion which

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Regardless, unless you are planning to change how men interact with each other, just focus on yourself.

Also, the title is quite ridiculous. Women are literally surpassing men? Surpassing them in what exactly? Women on the average have higher emotional intelligence then men in regards to most aspects of EQ. That is biological. So women are going ti be better at supporting each other in emotional ways.

In terms of self improvement, I don't even know how you are measuring this. I hope you are not using YouTube subscribers to measure this... because that would be ridiculous. Focus on yourself. Rather than get worked up over something you have no control over, focus on improving yourself. Be apart of the change you wish to see.

I don't understand why you would feel jealous, envious, and insecure in regards to the general differences between men and women. You are probably watching to much YouTube garbage. Focus on yourself.

 

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[perchboy]

Yep you’re right it’s harder to be successful as a man barely any men ever become successful let’s just all give up on life

 

[Johnny boy]

New forum feature: you take a standardized IQ test and the score goes on your profile and then we can filter out posts made by goobers.

 

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[heavy_industry]

@Darklight

You're clearly very smart, but you are young and inexperienced.

Overthinking, especially under these circumstances, is a recipe for disaster.

I too am still young, and still inexperienced, but I am at least 10 years ahead in life than you, so I will give you the following practical advice that I really hope you will take to heart:

1. Stop watching bullshit on youtube IMMEDIATELY.​

• Youtubers have a vested interest in you watching their videos, and most are not qualified to offer life advice
• If you still want to be on youtube, watch university lectures, or actual thinkers - Jordan Peterson or Lex Fridman are great examples

2. The forum​

• To say that this place is a goldmine, would be the understatement of the century.
• Read the gold threads. Don't make up your mind immediately. Process the information thoroughly.

3. Pick up a sport​

• Starting training was one of the best decisions of my life.
• Physical effort is often the best antidote for overthinking.
• Exercising provides an extensive list of benefits that would require an entire thread to explain.

Let's stop the overthinking, let's stop the bullshit, and let's get back to work.

As I've said, the world needs strong and competent people.

And it is our duty to become those people.

 

[biophase]

TL DR

A female youtuber has more subscribers in less time and videos than a male youtuber.

 

[harumi]

Happy international Women's day to all the women <3 keep crushing it

 

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[Lex DeVille]

I know most of you guys will skip it, sounds like a nonsense and my point can be and hope it is wrong because it would calm me down.

If you look closely without your ego trying to cover up reality women are literally surpassing men.

I am talking about those who are into self improvement, it is an industry, in the men side we have more competitiveness, less support, and goddamn ignorance towards one's emotions and less vulnerability and courage to open up (totally made up, simply guessing, prove me wrong for god's sake) and on the women side it is the same, but backwards which is like - explained by nature, culture, psyche on gender side of both.

And here it is another thing, my lifesaver youtuber Hamza has less subscribers, more years of putting into effort, probably seven, than Thewizardliz which has only 30 videos (shorts not mentioned) and two years of experience, no editing and thumbnails on vidros and around six millions subscribers and cult like fans.
One is jealous of another, guess who?

I am not talking about you specifically or me, but about industry and most of us, and culture, in this case it is maybe right, but in the case of individuals or man vs. woman it is 50/50, but in industry side it is men vs. women 20/80 in my opinion which - I hope that you will destroy and prove wrong, because - I felt insecure, jealous and envious many times, then healed it, but compassion for most men is always here and desire to be wrong when something feels just off.

Fight the (made-up) odds and statistics, cheers!

Fight your own made-up odds and statistics first.

 

[heavy_industry]

I understand your point, competence can and will get you very far, it is my second nature, to compete, as every man's is, but it can ruin and make you less than

Have you ever, in your entire life, spent some time outside YouTube and TikTok?

Have you ever seen what happens when a sports team wins a championship?

Everyone is ecstatic, they jump around and shout for joy, and they hug each other. We love competitions and we love winners.

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Why is this happening? Why do we instinctively know that competing is a good thing? Why do billions of people enjoy watching games, races, and scientific progress?

Competition is the fuel that has powered human civilization.

All human progress is due to someone wanting to be better.

What does this mean for the economy? More, better, cheaper products. Abundance for everyone.

The idea that being competitive or striving to be highly competent is somehow shameful, selfish, or evil, has to be the stupidest thing I've read today.

The world NEEDS good, competent, and brave people.

 

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[Aidan04]

Yoooo this shit is fire!! Put it out immediately!!

#landfill

 

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[Spenny]

I am changing the beliefs slowly, but with healing exercises and getting others' opinion, but in such a schizophrenic, chaotic and absurd way, and about biases and trauma - it is still hard for me.

It's a shame that this thread got marked as Landfill. The initial post was garbage that has been fed to you, but you have shown a lot of humility & willingness to change.

I read somewhere that you were 16. You remind me a lot of a younger version of Spenny.

I have videos of myself where the videos felt unwatchable. Bigoted, substandardly researched and poorly nuanced. It felt like I was hearing glass being scraped on a chalkboard.

Don't feel bad about it. It's a good thing you've been challenged—that's where the best growth comes from. Read the GOLD threads, and look to provide value to people in your world.

Out of all the places I've been on the internet, this forum has to be the most authentic.

• No hatred for others.
• Real DOers, providing SERIOUS value.
• Honest discussions - you've already seen people will cut the crap and go for the jugular.
• People who I actually want to emulate and wish to be. In other words, upstanding & true leaders.
• Far more personable. You can talk to people, discuss ideas and collaborate. Hell, you may even make friends!

The solution is simply read daily and act as well, but the... unconscious desire for always having a dilemma or problem is here, why?

Humans love the suffering. I don't think life would be worth living if we didn't have it.

• It's why people complain a lot
• It's why people like to be victims.
• It's why people like to do awe-inspiring crazy stuff (climbing Everest, running in Death Valley)
• It's why people like to go to the gym.
• It's why people like to create businesses, even if it absorbs their entire life.

It's a matter of where you channel it. Existential Kink is a good book for this stuff. We love the struggle.

I've found that when I run towards discomfort, I feel I'm getting closer to where I need to be. I feel uneasy when doing something I ought not to do. It's a weird feeling.

I used to think I was "too ambitious" or "worked too hard", but I find much joy in pushing towards something much more significant than myself. I don't know what that is, but I know I'm moving towards something. There is no other choice.

By the way, what was your and is your journey of healing, what helped you here?

I read your message and went away to think about this—an absolute can of worms. There isn't a specific point, but a series of realisations or "cracks" that questioned my position.

Here are a couple of points which I wish I told myself.

Know your role in failures.
I had a bad breakup when I was seventeen. Off the back of this, I dived head first into manosphere content, explaining how I ended up on my arse at a time I was vulnerable. Tom Lekyis, Better Bachelor, Think Before You Sleep, and Entrepreneurs in Cars (when they were all much more minor) seeped in.

I had blamed many people for a long time, but truthfully, I had been willingly stepped on for years, and that resentment was huge in me. I blamed many people except for myself.

Once I took sheer accountability for it when I was nineteen, I began to see how the role had played in the downfall of that breakup. Not only that, but I started looking around in my life for other things I was screwing up.

Listen to alternative views.
I want you see yourself as a researcher and continually write your findings.

My brain's primary training is chemistry. Let me describe how we do proper research.

When you prepare research, you do a lot of reading. Some of the things you read are trash, and some are good. You have to look at critiques and supporting evidence. You must also read conflicts of interest. Most importantly, you must draw your conclusions from your research. If you can't have a nuanced and well-versed argument, you've not researched a broad enough catalogue of sources.

Evaluate, evaluate, evaluate. Conclude. If you recognize that you may be wrong, that's okay. I recently discovered a big truth I'd ignored for a long time, and it drop-kicked me.

Now, you can use YouTube, an excellent learning resource. For some basic research, you may type in "Hamza analysis," "XYZ debunked," or maybe some of the links I shared.

I think the best way to prevent rabbit holes is to listen to the other perspective, understand why they arrived at that point, and refuse to label them as you close yourself off.

A common tactic I see often is the "us versus them" narrative. Be very aware of it—many groups strawman the other, resulting in misunderstandings from misguided assumptions.

Another term for this is empathy. It changes your mind from "attack" mode to "understand" mode. You become less aggressive and emotional and then understand how someone arrived at their conclusion.

You've done this today by posting your views here. You've been ripped apart because they get torn apart once you bring ideas out into the sunlight. You're not the first and won't be the last.

Be aware of how people capitalise on insecurity.

Courses, E-Books, "secret sauces," coaches, private communities—many of these require fear, desperation, insecurity, FOMO, etc. to sell. When you vet a creator, are they selling something for you to buy?

Hence, Hamza is trying to scare you that there is not enough to go around - Adonis School.
Hence Tate talking about the "Real World" and that you are a "brokie" - Hustler University.
Hence Iman Ghadzi talking LOADS on SMMA - Selling SMMA coaching.

They also want you to be angry and emotional. When you view the world in this state, you're less rational, and that's perfect for keeping you in the loop.

We clearly see how the legacy media is a part of the SCRIPT, but many don't see that the dogmas portrayed are also the SCRIPT.

SCRIPT speak is everywhere in the manosphere. You'll hear the exact unsubstantiated phrases repeated over and over.

Not all things are bad, but you have to be very cautious. It's not hard to put on a front, and sell a trash course. It happens all too often & too many get burned.

I will say there are things to be learned from what they say but do put it under the microscope. Chew the meat, spit out the bones.

Afterthought edit: Please also know that many of the responses you've seen here today are from users who are fed up with the barrage of low-value contributions - stick around, and you'll know what I mean.

 

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[Roli]

I've not been following this but it looks like people spent a lot of time adding value.

Moved out of landfill. Let me know what a suitable title might be for what this thread became.

Yeah, it's pretty cool to see the way this turned round. Started off as a complete waste of space and has ended with some great life advice.

 

[EngineerThis]

You're exuding toxic feminine energy in this post, and subsequent replies.. Suggest you stop consuming whatever it is you are feeding your body and brain, go touch some grass, chop some wood, spend some time fishing, and ponder how you became this way, and what you are going to do tomorrow to change it. Be a man, own it. Change it. Never stop.

 

[Andy Black]

It's a shame that this thread got marked as Landfill. The initial post was garbage that has been fed to you, but you have shown a lot of humility & willingness to change.

I've not been following this but it looks like people spent a lot of time adding value.

Moved out of landfill. Let me know what a suitable title might be for what this thread became.

 

[Qasiel]

The world NEEDS good, competent, and brave people.

Fantastic post, and that last sentence should be at the forefront of people's minds.

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It's easy to get bogged down with envy when you see others doing something successfully, especially if it's something you have a vested interest in. I was reading a thread earlier where a member was becoming frustrated when he'd seen people achieve more in 6 months than he did in 2 years in the same industry.

The key is to have a solid vision and mindset and to be actively working towards your goals. Don't get put off because others are "better" than you, or have more visible success than you do. If anything, it should nurture that internal competitiveness and that's not a bad thing at all, especially if it helps drive you. Competition pushes us to want to be the best we can be.

 

[Trevor305]

We all can level up and do amazing things differently together.

Instead of the ''US verse THEM'' mentality, we can collaborate together and learn from each other.

As for the competition. it's part of being effective as a human being. We need it to survive and feel hungry to do more.
The only person you need to conquer in this competing game is not a Man or a Woman but you. You're your biggest competition. Control and conquer yourself as a man, first, every day before you conquer the world. Think before you buy into them, Question things first, and do things after being sure. The Mainstream Media, social media, your favorite gurus who you claim saved you when they themselves indoctrinated and brainwashed you into believing their ''Bullshit.''

As for self-improvement, remember, it's ''SELF'' and then ''IMPROVEMENT'' which means improve yourself not men or women but yourself. Stop feeling Envious, jealous and insecure etc. about things you can't control. Those are feelings, not facts. Emotions not making any logical sense. That's not reality. Change the way you view things, and you'll change the way you feel about things.

Like @Andy Black always states, Help People, start with the people close to you.

Like @heavy_industry states, GET BACK TO WORK.

CHEERS!!!

Any man or woman can level up. This is not a competition of the genders on who can do better. As much as I love being competitive. I'd rather it not be a blood bath between the genders. Be in the competition to yourself and don't compare who is doing better. This creates segregation, not by color, but by gender.

At the end of the day, anyone can do better not only for themselves but for those around them as well.

I don't really care which gender is doing better me or a woman. If she's doing than me, more power to her, I would love to hear her story! What did she do? What is she doing to help another?

You made a good point.

 

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[StrikingViper69]

I'm a man and over 30, I guess I'm totally fudged now.

Nothing left to do but watch football with wings and oreos. Maybe buy myself a piss fountain for the corner of the room.

EDIT: Stop wasting your life on YouTube

 

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[Darklight]

What I've come to realise about the ideas for a while is that manosphere is that the majority of them are goofy & require you to be angry or annoyed to sustain themselves.






Case in point. Fear, annoyance, insecurity, "not enough to go around" ideas (a scarcity mindset). It's how many people are kept in these circles for so long without smelling the syrup and saying, "Hey, it's not all that bad after all."

For such a movement that encourages you to be a strong man, there is an awful lot of whining about others, looking to dominate people & not uplift them because they are "competition" and a lack of emotional control.

A lot of the self-improvement guys refer to a lot of bro-science, with no scientific sources or any reason to speak on such subjects. Only now have I realised, while writing a chemistry thesis, how in-depth you must be to understand a topic. However, I see many YouTubers making outlandish claims without sources to back them up—especially with evolutionary psychology.

When actual academics who have studied this for decades, such as Macken Murphy, come in with facts, you find a lot of stuff is just hogwash.

"Oh, but they're a part of the leftist agenda to make you all feminised! Scientists cannot be trusted!".

My brother in Christ, your best 'sources' are anecdotal.


He is not your saviour. I have no idea why you're mad about someone else's success or if they "deserve" more success. It doesn't impact you.

Also, Hamza is a man. Like you. With flaws & strengths.

• He went on a degeneracy streak, binge drinking, back-to-back clubbing, and lots of PUA. I'm pretty sure he flunked his degree as a result of it.
• He's had messy breakups.
• He's gone through a lot of difficulties as a child

With that said:

• He also made a massive YouTube channel helping a lot of men. Hell, he even directed me to this forum.

He has said something resonating with you, and you made a change. Great. That doesn't change the fact that humans still run this 2.31M subscriber channel. They have blind spots, biases, correct points, and incorrect points. They have difficulties and fears.

I wouldn't ever consider anybody I've watched, listened to, or read about online "my lifesaver". That's a recipe for ideological possession. Sure, they have great ideas, and sure, they may have changed my views, but I applied them. I don't owe them anything, nor do they owe me. I did the work.

Ideas are ideas, and I can change my mind at any point if a compelling argument is given to me. I've been ideologically possessed before, and it stunts growth because it's all about me, me, me - never considering the other.

Another thing to look at is if there is a conflict of interest between these people. Why are they pushing these ideas?

• Andrew Tate --> Hustlers University
• Hamza --> Adonis School
• Clickbait titles & gender war pushing (Fresh & Fit/whatever.) --> more views + clicks.

This goes for anything. Are they selling something? Are you a part of their sales funnel?


It's never been easy for either- it's been pretty crap for both sides historically. Addressing one doesn't neglect the other.

Another thing - this is outside of the locus of control. What can you control? I'm sure if you provided value to people, they wouldn't care who you are.

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It's simply because you're unhinged at the moment. I'll explain.


You've only just been given an alternative point of view, and you've jumped ship. Chill. Remove the emotions. Think about it: things shouldn't always be events or major transformations every second. Sometimes, it takes a while to form our thoughts about something.

If you're looking for any different opinions, go to those who critique it and form your own opinion. Here are some good sources for alternative views of the manosphere.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6_TOFy3k6k&ab_channel=Shaun

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1FkO7Tr70A&t=1s&ab_channel=F.DSignifier

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgO25FTwfRI&t=235s&ab_channel=m%C3%BCnecat


I'm not saying I support them. I'm saying listen to both and form an opinion. You'll hear uncomfortable things and alternative perspectives & have to evaluate your stances. Chew the meat and spit out the bones.

Also, your overall writing style sounds like Hamza is speaking, not you. Even the way you're writing sounds like one of his scripts.

Be sure you're not ideologically possessed, as seen in this thread. Take back control and stop watching YouTube for a while. Enjoy yourself and make some value instead of ranting about a fake gender war.

I've felt this understood only twice in my life.

It was my online mentor, turns out she was a woman after a year, then it is you.

Everyone heals differently, and you provided me with meal for thought that was needed at the moment.

Today actually was an amazing and beautiful day.

I live without social media for almost three months no and this is not only ideological posession, but irrational beliefs, childhood trauma and biases.

I am changing the beliefs slowly, but with healing exercises and getting others' opinion, but in such a schizophrenic, chaotic and absurd way, and about biases and trauma - it is still hard for me.

I have a goal, only one: to heal myself realizing all the years of hurt and neglection both from others and self directed too.

I am not my thoughts and certainly not my emotions, but the one who observes the absurd divine comedy.

I feel this dilemma a priori knowing the solution, which is insane and schizophrenic, lunatic and kinky, meaningless absurd: the desire to read, indulge in information, and all od that vs. desire to act, feel healthy, do with what is my knowledge.

The solution is simply read daily and act as well, but the... unconscious desire for always having a dilemma or problem is here, why?

I love to be humiliated maybe, or have a unconscious desire to always have dilemma, problem and an obstacle, feel humiliated and unworthy, or not, this is very unhealthy, inconsistent, and chaotic/absurd.

I came to appreciate both feminine and masculine sides of me.

By the way, what was your and is your journey of healing, what helped you here?

 

[ZackerySprague]

Any man or woman can level up. This is not a competition of the genders on who can do better. As much as I love being competitive. I'd rather it not be a blood bath between the genders. Be in the competition to yourself and don't compare who is doing better. This creates segregation, not by color, but by gender.

At the end of the day, anyone can do better not only for themselves but for those around them as well.

I don't really care which gender is doing better me or a woman. If she's doing than me, more power to her, I would love to hear her story! What did she do? What is she doing to help another?

 

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[ygtrhos]

Fight your own made-up odds and statistics first.

Couldnt have put it better.

Accept that world is not fair according to some arbitrary standards you make up, nor it is supposed to be.

Its called "growing the F*ck up".

How old are you, @Darklight ? I bet you are under 25.

You have inspired my new signature btw, thanks a lot.

 

[Darklight]

You hope it's wrong so it would calm you down?

It's a generalised nonsense statistic that shouldn't matter to you anyway.

What can you help people with? Go do that.

You understood me the most, thank you.

I would actually help men, and as much people as possible to surpass and overcome their own limitations after doing it myself - but help them not in a lie to you, and manipulate you to bug something from me way, but maybe... which sounds very impossible - find a way to do it without this nonsense, still - somehow, it is just a hope.

 

[Darklight]

Have you ever, in your entire life, spent some time outside YouTube and TikTok?

Have you ever seen what happens when a sports team wins a championship?

Everyone is ecstatic, they jump and shout in joy, and they hug each other. We love competitions and we love winners.

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Why is this happening? Why do we instinctively know that competing is a good thing? Why do billions of people enjoy watching games, races, and scientific progress?

Competition is the fuel that has powered human civilization.

All human progress is due to someone wanting to be better.

What does this mean for the economy? More, better, cheaper products. Abundance for everyone.

The idea that being competitive or striving to be highly competent is somehow shameful, selfish, or evil, has to be the stupidest thing I've read today.

And that is the smartest thing I've read today.

Competing... goddamnit, I never looked at it this way in my entire life actually.

 

[Darklight]

Have you ever, in your entire life, spent some time outside YouTube and TikTok?

Have you ever seen what happens when a sports team wins a championship?

Everyone is ecstatic, they jump around and shout for joy, and they hug each other. We love competitions and we love winners.

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Why is this happening? Why do we instinctively know that competing is a good thing? Why do billions of people enjoy watching games, races, and scientific progress?

Competition is the fuel that has powered human civilization.

All human progress is due to someone wanting to be better.

What does this mean for the economy? More, better, cheaper products. Abundance for everyone.

The idea that being competitive or striving to be highly competent is somehow shameful, selfish, or evil, has to be the stupidest thing I've read today.

The world NEEDS good, competent, and brave people.

I think you awakened something inside of me, actually it is... like it looks like just an average comment of yours, and me, I am some guy who posted some really weird shit, but at least it was sincere.

But you're so right, then, my focus in not on people, or weak sinking ships, as always was, but on human progress no matter how meaningless to cosmos we are, but it is my goal.
I will overcome everyone, and outcompete the whole f*cking world to make it better place.
It sounds... so ambitious... thank you, really, I appreciate it, whole world is and will be meaningless, but I now see the insane value of competition and being better and making someone worse than you is incredibly valuable to world, it is like my egotism met my altruism, IT IS F*CKING AMAZING, THNX, YET THERE IS MORE better philosophies or ways to think about the world and we're all certainly wrong, but it seems less wrong than my and most ideas about competition.

 

[NervesOfSteel]

Have you ever seen what happens when a sports team wins a championship?

Everyone is ecstatic, they jump around and shout for joy, and they hug each other. We love competitions and we love winners.

Men cheered, shouted for joy, and celebrated during the bloodiest tournaments in the Colosseums when their favorite Gladiator showed courage in their favorite sport of that era!

Competitiveness is embedded in our DNA!

 

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[Spenny]

What do you think about self sabotage, meaning of life and feelings of absurd?

I don't know.

You can get into wraps with this because there is no correct answer. The Forum and its participants subscribe to creating scalable value for people. I subscribe to this because the transaction is clear—I provide something of value, and in return, I get value—a win-win.

As I've said, stick around and read some of the GOLD posts - they're highlighted for a reason.

 

[Darklight]

I know most of you guys will skip it, sounds like a nonsense and my point can be and hope it is wrong because it would calm me down.

If you look closely without your ego trying to cover up reality women are literally surpassing men.

I am talking about those who are into self improvement, it is an industry, in the men side we have more competitiveness, less support, and goddamn ignorance towards one's emotions and less vulnerability and courage to open up (totally made up, simply guessing, prove me wrong for god's sake) and on the women side it is the same, but backwards which is like - explained by nature, culture, psyche on gender side of both.

And here it is another thing, my lifesaver youtuber Hamza has less subscribers, more years of putting into effort, probably seven, than Thewizardliz which has only 30 videos (shorts not mentioned) and two years of experience, no editing and thumbnails on vidros and around six millions subscribers and cult like fans.
One is jealous of another, guess who?

I am not talking about you specifically or me, but about industry and most of us, and culture, in this case it is maybe right, but in the case of individuals or man vs. woman it is 50/50, but in industry side it is men vs. women 20/80 in my opinion which - I hope that you will destroy and prove wrong, because - I felt insecure, jealous and envious many times, then healed it, but compassion for most men is always here and desire to be wrong when something feels just off.

Fight the (made-up) odds and statistics, cheers!

 

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[Darklight]

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Regardless, unless you are planning to change how men interact with each other, just focus on yourself.

Also, the title is quite ridiculous. Women are literally surpassing men? Surpassing them in what exactly? Women on the average have higher emotional intelligence then men in regards to most aspects of EQ. That is biological. So women are going ti be better at supporting each other in emotional ways.

In terms of self improvement, I don't even know how you are measuring this. I hope you are not using YouTube subscribers to measure this... because that would be ridiculous. Focus on yourself. Rather than get worked up over something you have no control over, focus on improving yourself. Be apart of the change you wish to see.

I don't understand why you would feel jealous, envious, and insecure in regards to the general differences between men and women. You are probably watching to much YouTube garbage. Focus on yourself.

Actually, you're quite right here, it is half-personal.
I felt jealous, insecure and envious of women "surpassing" men using subscribers as criteria, it is ridiculous, but yet sincere, it was and is the point of this thread, but look, you're right, no control over it.

I always felt insecure my whole life, but mostly.
I never wanted anyone in this world to be better than me and at the same time felt "unfair" for everything good in my life, two conflicting sides of my personality, whenever someone is better than me it is jealousy and envy, this desire to be better than everyone, this arrogance, this deep darkness is my shamed aspect.
I always hated winning and being better, and then tried to fight it, and here is me fighting myself at this point, feeling insane shame and guilt and pleasure with pride whenever something good is in my life.
I felt really bad when found out that woman is doing better not only than me, but my fave youtuber, and he felt this way too, but it is understandable, it is his business and he is really low on views, but me, what the hell was that?

I really wanna be better than everyone in this world, even you, even me, goddamn 10x better and never let anyone be better than me, it is this inside dark desire of mine, for me even the potential to be better than someone or knowing more than somebody is sweet and shameful at the same time.
I like to search weaknesses in people, mostly projecting my own, but actually, this is what it is, insane desire to be perfect, inhumanely, unachievable goal and this strange stuff inside my head.

I read books and then look at the author and always check his networth, goddamn valuing his advice on his networth which is irrational, but yeah, for me even being multimillionaire or billioinaire will not be enough, it is like, THAT f*cked up.
I am actually afraid to start a business because deep inside it can turn out LESS THAN what is my goal, and imagine,
I am earning decent money, maybe even great money, just choose your own criterias for it, and then someone is better than me, faster than me, effortlessly pulling up 100x more and he is younger than me, it is my deepest fear, to be less than someone, to find out my wrongness, my mistakes, it is like that deep, I hope it never happens, I am waiting for the moment when I will be perfect, but it will never come, but I am hoping, I hope it comes you know, I just want it, I want it more than anything in this world, to be perfect, better than everyone and better than myself by 10x each day in every aspect of my life.

I am hungry for it, I deleted YouTube because it always makes me feel insecure, and other social media, I am stuck, I wanna be perfect, I never wanted and wanna and will want to be mediocre and for me anything less than perfect is mediocre, it is my arrogance that is slowly sending me to hell.

Alex Hormozi did an interview with a guy who has 100 billion of dollars of networth, he is like 100x more worse presently than him, and that guy is 100x more better than him.

Gosh.

It is super hard to focus on myself, because what if there is some guy doing better than me, how to change that, how to make me doing better than him - it is cruel, but it is what it is.

 

[Darklight]

Is this some sort of contest of trying to get as many threads in the #landfill as possible?

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I don't understand what is your point.

Want to watch YouTube videos about compassion and expressing emotions? Go do that.

If, however, you want to run a business or achieve any level of success in life, being open, vulnerable, and crying won't get you very far.

Competence will.

I don't think you're wrong, but right neither.

I understand your point, competence can and will get you very far, it is my second nature, to compete, as every man's is, but it can ruin and make you less than, people compete with like... literally in small lakes, or even in aquarium, then there is guys who can simply jump off and find a sea, but there is guys who can find a goddamn ocean, and here are those who found space and other dimensions more higher than that, but, how deep can one go?

I think compassion and expressing your emotions can get you very far, support is oxygen for man, but competence as well.

My point is - it is shady, this is simply my observation that can be wrong, but it is like half-wise or not so true.
I just wanted someone's opinion more different than mine, I never rely on myself, look how f*cked my points can be?

 

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[Darklight]

Yep you’re right it’s harder to be successful as a man barely any men ever become successful let’s just all give up on life

I am not talking about this exactly, but that for women it is actually became much more easier and for us to fall on their traps as well, it is hard, but for man it can be even more effortless than for anyone, there is a man like you or me, and there is men literally most men, for us it was always hard, but...
I think it was simply my unneccessary compassion for "most" people.