Why are people so lazy nowadays? Is it a generation thing?

[Guyfieri5]

I think the biggest thing to fix this motivation issue is giving people a reason to live again which probably speaks to the small goals thing you're talking about. Society's huge push to get everyone into the classroom and eventually into the cubicle may look good on paper, but it is a hell of depressing life for those who live it.

The only success I knew of growing up was going to college and getting a 9-5 job. For many, that's the case. I was always frustrated and unmotivated in my early twenties because that was the goal imparted on me by my family and it was depressing as hell. Hard to stay motivated when the end of the tunnel looks like a darker tunnel.

I don't blame our generation for being lazy and unmotivated. Every day we watch people living it up on Youtube, Instagram, Facebook, and Hollywood. They drive fancy cars, live in huge houses, vacation on huge yachts, etc., meanwhile, they tell us we should go to school, get a good job, and one day maybe we'll get to live like them. It is friggin impossible to ever buy a yacht, have a mansion, or drive a fancy car on a $70,000 dollar salary putting away 15%.
In fact, thanks to inflation, you probably can't even afford a tiny house and compact car without going into massive debt!

Setting bigger goals and seeing them be achieved by other people was big for me. I was one of those lazy people and it had nothing to do with my character, I just didn't have goals big enough to get excited about.

 

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[David Fitz]

I think it's down to parenting and the ease of life we have now.

Parent's gladly leave their kids play games, laptops etc just to keep them quiet. Parents will also wipe their childs butts until they are well into their 20's.

There's no struggle anymore in modern life. Everything you want is a click away. How can kids learn about hard work when all they have to do is click something and it's here? Open a fridge and there's all the food they need plus mommy will make them whatever they want and deliver it to them while they're playing the PlayStation.

 

[Determined2012]

I think it's down to parenting and the ease of life we have now.

Parent's gladly leave their kids play games, laptops etc just to keep them quiet. Parents will also wipe their childs butts until they are well into their 20's.

There's no struggle anymore in modern life. Everything you want is a click away. How can kids learn about hard work when all they have to do is click something and it's here? Open a fridge and there's all the food they need plus mommy will make them whatever they want and deliver it to them while they're playing the PlayStation.

I agree. It's a fine line between support and enabling!

The best thing is for parents to lead by example. We have to set goals and our children need to see us accomplishing them.

 

[K1 Lambo]

Stay strong. The most important part is you see things clearly. Sell products to the lazy people.

Love comes from who their soul is. I’m sure you wouldn’t be bothered by your grandma if you got to spend 5 minutes with her a year (not saying that’s a good idea!). But theoretically you’d be so happy to be in her presence and see her as she is and probably wouldn’t have time to get upset by the end of 5 minutes. You’d marvel at her uniqueness and appreciate that. If we’re too exhausted it becomes about beliefs and getting angry.

A family member of mine annoys me so much too and I’m baffled by a lot of their behavior but now I see them once a year and it’s fantastic. The problem is after the time comes where I need to leave I am defiant and want to stay. My problem is growing the self discipline to leave. My problem isn’t how that person acts. I think you are just spending too much time thinking about that.

Idk if you have boundaries already and idk if you’re wanting to solutions or just talk but they can help so much with this sort of thing. Seeing them 30 minutes, 15 minutes, 5 minute phone call, once a year etc. things you can control so that you can pour into them when you see them and also keep your peace. Notice when it’s too much time and say you have to go. If you stay too long then own your own mistake (controllable) instead of getting angry at who they are ( uncontrollable).

I read about someone 10 years sober that sees family on Thanksgiving for dinner only (no appetizers, no dessert) he just has been showing up at dinner and leaves after for 10 years. So many people just go along with social pressures and don’t set boundaries like this person did but families would get along better if we all did this more in various versions maybe not as extreme.

A great book on this subject is Unoffendable by Brant Hansen it’s a Christian perspective

You know who the best the best friends are? The guys/girls you can call after 6 months or a year after not seeing them, and you're still vibing together. The worst friends are the ones who are saying things to you like: "Now you care about me?" or "You haven't called me!". They throw these guilt jabs at you just because you're working on yourself.

But I guess sometimes you just got to let people be. You can't change them. They have to change themselves. They need to have an internal desire for that, you can't teach that. They already have their paradigms and belief systems on how life is supposed to be lived and it's ok.

For sure. It's nice to see them once or twice a year. Spending too much time with that type of thinking is really destructive though!

The part where you talk about setting boundaries is spot on. Most people have no boundaries/values on life. This happens so frequently in relationships, when a guy/girl is not happy with his/her partner but they keep thinking about their equity together. "Oh, she's been with me for 10 years so we must stay together!" or "We don't do what we used to do but we still love each other!". That keeps them stuck, even though deep down they don't love each other. And then the wife starts dressing better and starts working out because she found a better man, she cheats on him and comes back to the same man after a couple months/years. And the man accepts that behavior thinking "Oh she's gonna stay with me now!". I'm like: "Dude, you don't even get it". No wonder people are so unhappy nowadays.

 

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[Deleted73907]

I could play the devil's advocate here and say entrepreneurs are partly to blame for they sell (or try to sell) comfort and distraction to people.
Yes everything is just a click away because it is a profitable business device.

 

[K1 Lambo]

"Success" is kind of an illusion at face value, since it's really moving through adversity, obstacles, and roadblocks. You can take any social class and they can be "Successful" it just depends on the people around them.

Since where is adversity, obstacles, and roadblocks created? It usually interacting with others and they're point of view of what "Success" means from their perspective, their conditioning, their belief system, what they have been taught to succeed.

Success is really subjective to interpretation. Since if you just take the Manager, the Supervisor, and the Entrepreneur/Boss in any company they have three different points of view on leadership, responsibility, how things are done to complete a task, and they get into arguments and disagreements.

Say you have five managers, five supervisors, and one Boss running the show. The top guy knows how to do everything and can lead them all, makes tougher choices and decisions. The Supervisors might have a certain percent of the knowledge but still growing into that higher knowledge,, wisdom, and insight.

The Managers kind of are what you see at face value the most on the floor and they sometimes get into it, because they do things differently.

Now you have a forum here of all three, and when you ask about how they do things, and how they became successful the road will be different. They didn't all get there the same way. As M.J."s books tell his story, but then if everyone wrote a book in here about their journey it would not be the same.

It would have similarities perhaps. It would have maybe some of the same informational products they've read and courses, but the actual process and journey would never be the exact same journey.

They might be able to compare notes and say this worked or that didn't work, but bottom line, Success doesn't just happen the same way for everyone.

Even the niches, categories, professions, are different. The amount of wealth is different.

As you can point out the financial information books out there, and they will tell you what is crap and what is legit.

Just reading all my life, since I am a life long learner, I know that usually when you read a book, the author is talking about their specific journey, they add whatever they put with the journey, and tell you XYZ and you might find out there is half truths or blatant crap, or truth in those books.

As Success kind of goes with process. Sure you can run around baseball diamond multiple times, but unless you know the game well enough, practice, train, and do everything in your power to become the best baseball player the "Success" is two different things.

You can run around the baseball field and your successful, but then you can be the top baseball player and hit the ball out of the park every single time if that makes sense.

As an Entrepreneur once told me back in 2012, that in sports they sometimes go to places like Africa for runners just because they do it every day because of the adversity in their local area, and they might be the Olympic runner that beats all those at your local track in your neighborhood.

The one in the neighborhood might look like they are the star of the show, but then you put him next to the one from Africa they might get beat and not as successful just because the one has more strength, agility, and better timing because they didn't begin with the sport in the first place. They just did every day carrying stuff long-distance or having to travel by walking or running.

As Bear Bryant new this as well with the Junction Boys. Although, it was controversial at the time, he knew only the one's who could stay in the adversity, obstacles, and roadblocks would get to the end zone. If you quit during half-time, then you didn't make the team.

Great stuff. Thank you.

You're basically saying how we measure success and how we perceive success differs from person to person.

You put a top high school football striker in front of Sunday league amateurs, he's gonna be brilliant and look like he's the next Ronaldo because he's destroying them. But you put him next to a world class defender like Virgil Van Dijk or Sergio Ramos, and he's gonna look like a flop or an average player in the Premier League.

Same thing with basketball players. You see this all the time in the NBA. A guy is brilliant in high school/college and then he comes into the NBA and is just an average player because of the higher level of quality in the league.

Success is also relative too. What is a lot of money to you might be different for me. For someone who's from a 3rd world country like India or Pakistan, making $100k a year as a software developer is gonna feel a lot different than someone who's making $500k a year in Switzerland as a plastic surgeon.

And the road to success is also different for entrepreneurs and intrapreneurs. Entrepreneurs are the founders who build them from level 0, and then they hire CFOs or Marketing Managers at top positions in their company and then they're gonna hire subordinate managers to manage basic level operations. An entrepreneur/founder is gonna have a totally different perspective from the CFO, and the CFO who's gonna manage 20-30 managers is gonna have a different perspective than the manager.

 

[K1 Lambo]

Interesting topic, I think the below causes are some of the biggest culprits

1. Material Comfort
2. Lack of meaning(directly relates to material comfort)
3. Lack of community/connection to other humans
4. Depression/Anxiety/Drug Addiction/Escapism
5. Social Media/Technology/Capitalism/Psychology/etc.

I believe the biggest issue facing us as individuals and as a culture and society is extreme material comfort. In essence we are victims of our own success, the lack of material/physical struggle then leads to a loss of meaning for the individual and then eventually a loss of connectedness to other humans which then leads to depression/anxiety/addiction/escapism etc.

I actually think technology and social media are just manifestations of the sickness underneath. It's ironic and a bit cruel that a time of such material comfort the inverse is true in terms of mental comfort which is probably at all time lows as people are racked with depression/anxiety/addiction/escapism/porn/etc. I am reading a book that is very admired by the mental health profession in general and the book talks about how not giving a child an Ice cream when he wants one and throws a tantrum leads to irreversible trauma for the kid that will have to be repaired by the years of therapy(if it can be ever), that's literally the level of material comfort we have achieved.

When a society/colony/group reaches a certain level of comfort I believe nature on Earth self corrects and starts the pendulum going in the other direction.

And on top of that, guess what people are told when they're unhappy? To consume more and more. Finance that new Audi and it's gonna make you happy! Or take these pills and your fat problems will be gone forever! We're told to consume and consume forever without ever using our critical thinking of what's actually causing all these problems.

Andrew Carnegie said there were 7 things people desire the most and one point is very often never filled. Could you guess what it is? The need to be important or have a feeling of importance.

The part that actually makes you happy is the process or the guru saying: "It's the road that matters, not the destination". And I agree with that 100%. Sure, achievements and flashy stuff are nice. It's the process of discipline that will make you more happy.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

I think what you're referring to is work ethic. There are definitely people who have it and who don't. But the nice thing is that if someone doesn't have a good work ethic, they can improve themselves. The above comments have listed several good points. And there are genuine people who don't want to improve themselves and are complacent with where they're at. That's not good.

But I'd also say that a good portion of the youth is tired now. They feel helpless and don't feel like they can get much out of life. We've had multiple financial crashes, wars, student debt at its highest, high inflation, low wages, COVID with the world shutting down, high living costs making it seem like owning a home is can't be a reality, is it even possible to retire? Growing up through numerous life events like this definitely play a toll on people.

And these all sound like excuses. You can move to a cheaper part of the country or move to another cheaper country if you're unable to purchase a home. You're able to choose to not go to school if you want to avoid student debt, you can try and learn skills to find a job that provides a better income. Those are all possibilities.

But man, I wouldn't just say it's so easy for people to live now. A lot of people are unfortunately barely making it by.

And again, you can totally argue that those reasons are all just excuses and young people are playing the victim card.

It's easier than ever though. You got all these "financial gurus" telling you to live like a miser and this whole FIRE movement that's taking place and is being revealed to the younger generation.

There's way too many options now. People are just confused. Lack of mentors/role models may be the reason for it.

 

[K1 Lambo]

I'm inclined to believe this. I have never saw, met, or interacted with so many men who act like women in my life before. Where are all the manly men at? I live in a big city and see so many men who dress, walk, talk, and have mannerisms that mimic women. I don't understand.

They need to put that testosterone back for these "men".

Spot on. Think about it like this: If you were one of the rules/elites of this world, would you want people to be men and in control of their lives so they're no longer dependant on the system? 500-1000 years ago the world was ruled by kings and kingdoms. Same thing can be said about women too. So many women act like men today or have this feministic view on everything.

I think I heard that statement from Stirling Cooper in an interview which is interesting though.

 

[K1 Lambo]

I think the biggest thing to fix this motivation issue is giving people a reason to live again which probably speaks to the small goals thing you're talking about. Society's huge push to get everyone into the classroom and eventually into the cubicle may look good on paper, but it is a hell of depressing life for those who live it.

The only success I knew of growing up was going to college and getting a 9-5 job. For many, that's the case. I was always frustrated and unmotivated in my early twenties because that was the goal imparted on me by my family and it was depressing as hell. Hard to stay motivated when the end of the tunnel looks like a darker tunnel.

I don't blame our generation for being lazy and unmotivated. Every day we watch people living it up on Youtube, Instagram, Facebook, and Hollywood. They drive fancy cars, live in huge houses, vacation on huge yachts, etc., meanwhile, they tell us we should go to school, get a good job, and one day maybe we'll get to live like them. It is friggin impossible to ever buy a yacht, have a mansion, or drive a fancy car on a $70,000 dollar salary putting away 15%.
In fact, thanks to inflation, you probably can't even afford a tiny house and compact car without going into massive debt!

Setting bigger goals and seeing them be achieved by other people was big for me. I was one of those lazy people and it had nothing to do with my character, I just didn't have goals big enough to get excited about.

Spot on dude. You live in New York, right? It's probably gonna be difficult to buy a 70 grand apartment in NYC.

I also think it's because of too much misinformation that's out there. You have all these financial slowlane gurus who tell you to live like a miser, invest 10% in the stock market and in 50 years you'll be this dude retired on a $5m yacht. There's not enough credible information.

And plus, you got these course gurus too; Who tell you to buy this and that and you'll live this life. Yet 95% of the time, they're not preachers of their advice, they got rich by selling you amazon FBA courses.

Lack of mentors or role models is probably a big reason too.

Have you heard about Grant Cardone's 10X book? He says you should set your goals 10x as big. So if your initial goal was to make $70k, set it to make $700k. $70k is nothing, especially for you guys who live in NY, LA or a place that's a little more expensive.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

I could play the devil's advocate here and say entrepreneurs are partly to blame for they sell (or try to sell) comfort and distraction to people.
Yes everything is just a click away because it is a profitable business device.

Yeah for sure. They best entrepreneurs understand the producer/consumer dichotomy very well.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Because you can be lazy and not die.

Most people from previous generations did not have this option.

 

[Mattie]

Great stuff. Thank you.

You're basically saying how we measure success and how we perceive success differs from person to person.

You put a top high school football striker in front of Sunday league amateurs, he's gonna be brilliant and look like he's the next Ronaldo because he's destroying them. But you put him next to a world class defender like Virgil Van Dijk or Sergio Ramos, and he's gonna look like a flop or an average player in the Premier League.

Same thing with basketball players. You see this all the time in the NBA. A guy is brilliant in high school/college and then he comes into the NBA and is just an average player because of the higher level of quality in the league.

Success is also relative too. What is a lot of money to you might be different for me. For someone who's from a 3rd world country like India or Pakistan, making $100k a year as a software developer is gonna feel a lot different than someone who's making $500k a year in Switzerland as a plastic surgeon.

And the road to success is also different for entrepreneurs and intrapreneurs. Entrepreneurs are the founders who build them from level 0, and then they hire CFOs or Marketing Managers at top positions in their company and then they're gonna hire subordinate managers to manage basic level operations. An entrepreneur/founder is gonna have a totally different perspective from the CFO, and the CFO who's gonna manage 20-30 managers is gonna have a different perspective than the manager.

That's about it right there.

 

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[RaviX]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

Back in the days if our parents/grandparents would not work hard and set goals/save money, they would probably be on the streets, hungry, and may not survive. Today, this is not the case. One can do the bare minimum and have shelter, food, and even entertainment. Which I do not think is necessary a bad thing either. People are living better lives by doing less, which I do not have a problem with unless it is interfering with society as a whole which at times it does. Laziness is a unfortunate by product of progression. Why work hard when you do not have too?

 

[rc08234]

We are more productive than ever, but lazier than ever. It's due to tech advances etc, we can do more from out smartphone than all of NASA could in the 60's. When you don't have to bust your a$$ everyday you get lazy. Also because of,

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

We have had it relatively easy since the 70-80's.

 

[Kevin88660]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

In the past people just follow the momentum. And there is reward following the momentum, basically doing what everyone else is doing.

Now people get exposed to more ideas, and question things more. And broadly speaking the reward for following the consensus has dropped a lot. Going to college and gets a job does not pay off that well.

I still 2014-2015 there was a rush into business and start-up among the general population. Surely there are a lot of hustlers back then. As most business do not make it the passion died out.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

Back in the days if our parents/grandparents would not work hard and set goals/save money, they would probably be on the streets, hungry, and may not survive. Today, this is not the case. One can do the bare minimum and have shelter, food, and even entertainment. Which I do not think is necessary a bad thing either. People are living better lives by doing less, which I do not have a problem with unless it is interfering with society as a whole which at times it does. Laziness is a unfortunate by product of progression. Why work hard when you do not have too?

Good point.

 

[K1 Lambo]

In the past people just follow the momentum. And there is reward following the momentum, basically doing what everyone else is doing.

Now people get exposed to more ideas, and question things more. And broadly speaking the reward for following the consensus has dropped a lot. Going to college and gets a job does not pay off that well.

I still 2014-2015 there was a rush into business and start-up among the general population. Surely there are a lot of hustlers back then. As most business do not make it the passion died out.

That's right. Going to college is not as mainstream as it was 20-30 years ago. Now people get exposed to different lifestyles and comforts more than ever. Maybe complacency is the issue here.

 

[WJK]

Stay strong. The most important part is you see things clearly. Sell products to the lazy people.

Love comes from who their soul is. I’m sure you wouldn’t be bothered by your grandma if you got to spend 5 minutes with her a year (not saying that’s a good idea!). But theoretically you’d be so happy to be in her presence and see her as she is and probably wouldn’t have time to get upset by the end of 5 minutes. You’d marvel at her uniqueness and appreciate that. If we’re too exhausted it becomes about beliefs and getting angry.

A family member of mine annoys me so much too and I’m baffled by a lot of their behavior but now I see them once a year and it’s fantastic. The problem is after the time comes where I need to leave I am defiant and want to stay. My problem is growing the self discipline to leave. My problem isn’t how that person acts. I think you are just spending too much time thinking about that.

Idk if you have boundaries already and idk if you’re wanting to solutions or just talk but they can help so much with this sort of thing. Seeing them 30 minutes, 15 minutes, 5 minute phone call, once a year etc. things you can control so that you can pour into them when you see them and also keep your peace. Notice when it’s too much time and say you have to go. If you stay too long then own your own mistake (controllable) instead of getting angry at who they are ( uncontrollable).

I read about someone 10 years sober that sees family on Thanksgiving for dinner only (no appetizers, no dessert) he just has been showing up at dinner and leaves after for 10 years. So many people just go along with social pressures and don’t set boundaries like this person did but families would get along better if we all did this more in various versions maybe not as extreme.

A great book on this subject is Unoffendable by Brant Hansen it’s a Christian perspective

It's not a generational thing. It's simply human nature. We have people in every generation who are lazy and thoughtless.

I just got dissed by a person who was my best friend in high school. I got plane tickets yesterday to go to my 50th reunion which is in October. So I called her up and told her I'd be there in town for the party. She explained that she is bedridden now, so she can't go. Duh. I knew that. (She intentionally has made herself that way so she could on disability.) So, I offered to drop by and visit her. She told me that she doesn't even want me to stop by to see her. She told me that she has to take care of herself and she didn't want me to get her tired. Uh? I reminded her that I'm coming from Alaska, 6,000 miles away, but she held her ground. So, I'm writing her off. There's nothing that I can do about any of it. It hurts, but this is the end of that friendship. Oh well.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

It's not a generational thing. It's simply human nature. We have people in every generation who are lazy and thoughtless.

I just got dissed by a person who was my best friend in high school. I got plane tickets yesterday to go to my 50th reunion which is in October. So I called her up and told her I'd be there in town for the party. She explained that she is bedridden now, so she can't go. Duh. I knew that. (She intentionally has made herself that way so she could on disability.) So, I offered to drop by and visit her. She told me that she doesn't even want me to stop by to see her. She told me that she has to take care of herself and she didn't want me to get her tired. Uh? I reminded her that I'm coming from Alaska, 6,000 miles away, but she held her ground. So, I'm writing her off. There's nothing that I can do about any of it. It hurts, but this is the end of that friendship. Oh well.

Ever heard of Kanye West's quote: "People never change". This is a pure example of that.

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

Ever heard of Kanye West's quote

We're quoting singers now
That's a generational thing

 

[tomzestatlu]

I was born at the beginning of 90s, so I would say I am from that generation, which saw the transition of everything to online. I would say, that I could be 11 or 12 yo, when we got fast unlimited internet. Of course, there was internet before. Being online 1 hour a week was something amazing back then, but definitely not hurting. I remember that moment, when technician left our flat and I immediately called my friend, that I can finally join their clan in Vietcong.

And I think, that technologies are to blame. It could be amazing to live through 80s and 90s with all the technological advance, that actually helped people. But nowadays I am kind of disgusted with all the new technologies. My opinion is that we reached the point until which technologies were helping and since then it´s doing more harm to society.

Another thing that is abundance of options. I think, that people are too much overwhelmed with options in all areas in life, that it is counter-productive. People are endlessly roaming mall and never become satisfied. Nowadays they want to buy tomato and there are 25 different types of various sizes, colors and tastes. They can never be satisfied, because there´s always chance, that they didn´t pick the best one.

I am not still sure whether it´s generational thing. I don´t think people from older generations are some kind of more hardworking or stronger. Maybe it´s because I come from Eastern Europe and my country has history of 40 years of communism. The most of the 40-60 year olds don´t have anything interesting going on in their lifes than watching TV and drinking alcohol. Actually their biggest threat in their lifes is, when they can´t choose from 25 different types of tomatoes. As long as they have this option, they have 100 TV channels to watch and they can get drunk on weekend, there´s no reason to don´t be complacent.

I think, that people intentionally choose being satisfied with "good-enough" than risk being dissapointed. Imagine the situaiton, where average yearly salary might be 12-15 thousands USD and new totally average house with no land is 500 thousands USD. Where it´s impossible to find a love bond in any other way than in app. Young people, this is your new reality and enjoy it.

And maybe the trap is that the system won´t let you starve. The system let´s you live this "good-enough" live, where you have the option to work for a corporation and pay all the earned money to corporations. The abundance is an illusion.

Are people more lazy? I don´t think so. Are people more unhappy? Definitely.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

I was born at the beginning of 90s, so I would say I am from that generation, which saw the transition of everything to online. I would say, that I could be 11 or 12 yo, when we got fast unlimited internet. Of course, there was internet before. Being online 1 hour a week was something amazing back then, but definitely not hurting. I remember that moment, when technician left our flat and I immediately called my friend, that I can finally join their clan in Vietcong.

And I think, that technologies are to blame. It could be amazing to live through 80s and 90s with all the technological advance, that actually helped people. But nowadays I am kind of disgusted with all the new technologies. My opinion is that we reached the point until which technologies were helping and since then it´s doing more harm to society.

Another thing that is abundance of options. I think, that people are too much overwhelmed with options in all areas in life, that it is counter-productive. People are endlessly roaming mall and never become satisfied. Nowadays they want to buy tomato and there are 25 different types of various sizes, colors and tastes. They can never be satisfied, because there´s always chance, that they didn´t pick the best one.

I am not still sure whether it´s generational thing. I don´t think people from older generations are some kind of more hardworking or stronger. Maybe it´s because I come from Eastern Europe and my country has history of 40 years of communism. The most of the 40-60 year olds don´t have anything interesting going on in their lifes than watching TV and drinking alcohol. Actually their biggest threat in their lifes is, when they can´t choose from 25 different types of tomatoes. As long as they have this option, they have 100 TV channels to watch and they can get drunk on weekend, there´s no reason to don´t be complacent.

I think, that people intentionally choose being satisfied with "good-enough" than risk being dissapointed. Imagine the situaiton, where average yearly salary might be 12-15 thousands USD and new totally average house with no land is 500 thousands USD. Where it´s impossible to find a love bond in any other way than in app. Young people, this is your new reality and enjoy it.

And maybe the trap is that the system won´t let you starve. The system let´s you live this "good-enough" live, where you have the option to work for a corporation and pay all the earned money to corporations. The abundance is an illusion.

Are people more lazy? I don´t think so. Are people more unhappy? Definitely.

Spot on dude. Too many options is always a bad thing. When you're selling something, it's always better to offer your clients one or two packages than 20 different packages to choose from. It makes them confused and they don't take any action because they're lost.

And your point about technology is spot on as well. I'm glad you brought that up. We have reached a line where technology is starting to damage us as human beings. 10-20 years ago that was not the case. Sure, social media was becoming popular and it was new and cool but now it has come to a point where it's become obsessive and addicting. Technology IS control us instead of US controlling it.

 

[Dr_Kdub28]

I'm probably not the best guy to give you guys a perspective on this topic since I was born at the end of 1999 and I'm still quite young, but I see so many guys who are from my generation and up who are just lazy and don't want to accomplish anything. Or do "shit" if that makes sense. But I guess us who are on this forum are the outliers, the 1% right?

I feel like chasing "big" dreams was more of a thing back in the 1960-1990s when social media was not existent AND people wanted to actually make something out of themselves; whether it'll be becoming a celebirty, successful ceo, bodybuilder(that's very popular now though), or just become successful in life. Now you got these young guys who just want to make a cashflow and that's it. Even Andy Frisella said it himself; People who want to build something big today are at a huge advantage because of technology and less competition at the top. There's only a lot of competition at ground 0, but once you go up it starts to dissipate. Or Gary V; who calls it old white man talk: "Ah I used to go school in twelve feet of snow up the hill" etc.

Why is that? Is it a generation thing? I mean my parents were born in 1970s and my dad's dad(my grandpa) and his whole family come from farm/rural parts of Poland, back when Poland was a third world country and was a very poor country. They come from the blue collar type of generation. They loved to get their hands dirty. I see that in my dad still, even if he can pay someone to do something for him(even if he's not the best man for the job), he still wants to do it. Maybe it's arrogance? Or a mix of both? I see it's a common thing with older people.

I'm exactly the opposite; If I know I'm not the best man for the job,I'd happily pay a guy to save my time and acknowledge the dude/girl.

Here are some of my theories on why that is more prevalent than ever:
1. Insane amounts of comfort. It's like that saying; a hungry wolf will do a lot more than the wolf who's fed at the top of the hill. Just think about it: You want some entertainment? You got loads of options for that one with YouTube, Instagram, FB, TikTok, Netflix etc. You want to get a little hump but you're shy? Go on dating sites and pick up girls/guys there. What if you just want to stay at home? Well you got all these porn websites that'll do the work for you. The list goes on and on.

2. School system. This is probably the biggest reason why that is. If we'd want to revolutionize thinking we'd have to start with the youngest generation and teach them STUFF that actually will impact you more than anything like communication, how to sell, how to build a great body(the way your body works and how you think of yourself work synergistically), how to attract the other gender, how to build high income skills that will help you make a lot of money, how to manage your money, compound interest bs and even this 9-5 tradeoff(which MJ explained brilliantly in his books) etc. I doubt this will ever change though, since it doesn't serve the rulers of this world. This whole 9-5 system would collapse. We're told to avoid failure as much as possible, and to never standout which is horrible advice.

3.External influences. We have been suppressed on purpose. I'm reading Dale Carnegie's book right now and there was a quote at the end of the book where it says: "Humans merely use 10% of their true capacity".

Tony Robbins also has a great line: "You're not lazy. You just have small goals! Big goals inspire big action."

Plus this whole concept about money that's so wrong and still exists everywhere like "rich dudes are evil" or "money doesn't make you happy" and all of that. At the same time, it's very hard for someone to believe something when they've never seen it or witnessed it. Let's face it, most people don't know one truly successful person. NOT ONE! But once your mind explores new pathways, you start to build on new beliefs and start thinking to yourself: "Wow, maybe this is possible for me."

It's like experiencing that one life defining event where your life's momentum changes for you. Like it was for MJ when he saw that white Lamborghini Countach back in the 80s and the belief of getting rich young in MJ's mind was exposed.

My grandma(who's a Jehovah's witness by the way) was telling me that stuff when I was younger. I remember one time in particular and I guess it was an event like that for me.

About 2-3 years ago, she brought this witness with her to study the bible with us. Her initial goal was to convince me into becoming a witness like her, she's been a witness for over 50 years. She's 69 or 70 now. I know it was the case since I've been living with her for a couple months since I was broke and she told me I could live with her only if I complied to studying the bible with her once or twice a week, so I agreed. I remember sitting there with this dude in front of me over the table telling me it's better to be a sheep than a lion. He said he'd pick being a sheep over a lion everyday. Or how it's bad to make money since he lost all of it back in the 90s, he lived in Germany and back then you could make a lot of black money very quickly. And I sat there and thought to myself: "I'm a 20 year old guy full of testosterone with huge ambitions and these people are making me feel guilty of wanting to be something more than them. Who tf is this guy? He's 50 years old, drives a shitty Volkswagen and hasn't achieved shit and now he's telling me I should be just like him?". I also remember how they were telling me that their religion is the ONLY right one, out of the 4,000 religions that are out there. I was like their mindset and narcisissm towards life was ambiguous as Hitler's dictatorship back in WW2. Jehovah's witnesses also believe in something called the Armageddon which is when God obliterates demonic enemies and puts peace back to earth. BUT, you have to wait and wait. Go to congregations every Sunday and pray that it's going to happen. DO nothing, BE nothing and it will happen. Oh and they also believe in only dating/marrying Jehovah's witnesses. Girls who are outside our world? NOPE, out.

Long story short, this religion thing is somewhat similar to the compound interest scam. You waste 40-50 years of your life and this new world order still hasn't happened after 50 obedient years. My grandma still believes in it though. I love her but this religion has destroyed her mental acuity and logical reasoning completely. My mom also remembers how she was indoctrinated to this type of thinking when she was 3 years old(she's 46 now). It's manipulation in a way.

This is a long post but I hope you get some value out of it. Don't let these people destroy your dreams.

What do y'all think about this? Is it just a generational thing or has it always been there?

This is a great topic. I've experienced both sides growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment you become lazy, but there are a number of events that compound. As a kid, I did all the things you were supposed to do (playing outside, sports, making friends etc.) But when certain tools got introduced into my life, I became more lazy, entitled, and reclusive.

Al the video games, porn, television, food. All these enablers and comforts slowly eroded my sense of a reward system. However those comforts are not to blame. I still made a choice to engage in those acts. That's what I believe is the main problem. It's flawed conditioning. Many of us who grew up during this time had no sense of delayed gratification. When we didn't get our way, we'd complain. Since society enables victims and you can reward yourself through escapism(porn/video games/food), it makes sense why we have such a warped sense of entitlement. I personally wasted all of my 20s in this flawed mindset.

Even when you become aware of the behavior, it's still tough to correct. I have to catch myself sometimes and ask "Am I being a brat right now?" "Is this how successful people behave?" Now when I don't get my way, more time than not, I can reframe a failure into a learning experience.

Like some have said, I think this issue is more pervasive in men.

 

[WJK]

This is a great topic. I've experienced both sides growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment you become lazy, but there are a number of events that compound. As a kid, I did all the things you were supposed to do (playing outside, sports, making friends etc.) But when certain tools got introduced into my life, I became more lazy, entitled, and reclusive.

Al the video games, porn, television, food. All these enablers and comforts slowly eroded my sense of a reward system. However those comforts are not to blame. I still made a choice to engage in those acts. That's what I believe is the main problem. It's flawed conditioning. Many of us who grew up during this time had no sense of delayed gratification. When we didn't get our way, we'd complain. Since society enables victims and you can reward yourself through escapism(porn/video games/food), it makes sense why we have such a warped sense of entitlement. I personally wasted all of my 20s in this flawed mindset.

Even when you become aware of the behavior, it's still tough to correct. I have to catch myself sometimes and ask "Am I being a brat right now?" "Is this how successful people behave?" Now when I don't get my way, more time than not, I can reframe a failure into a learning experience.

Like some have said, I think this issue is more pervasive in men.

It's always been going on. We've had beggars, thieves, and slackers since mankind began. If you look back at human history, that element has always been there. They sat the gates of our ancient cities. The criminals robbed travelers regularly. Yes, now you can play video games on demand. You can get porn also on demand. You can order food and they will bring it to you as long as you can pay the bill.

On the flip side of those temptations, I can type in any question into Google and get instant answers. I find it to be magical. I don't have to go to the library, look up the subject in the card index, find the book(s), and look for my answer in the pages. I simply ask my question and get several answers.

As far as personal responsibility, it's really up to you. Do what you really want in your heart. If you do run with your dream, know that you will mostly be alone during that journey. Almost all the people around you today will be in your rearview mirror. You will leave them way behind as you move forward.

Then, it's also up to you how you tell the story when you obtain your success. I've outdistanced the people I grew up with a long ago. I don't even try to tell them about my life. They would actively reject me and shun me. They don't want to hear about my success. So I downplay my life when I'm around them. They don't need to know what I'm doing.

 

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[Andy Black]

Might be worth watching this:

• Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order by Ray Dalio

 

[K1 Lambo]

It's always been going on. We've had beggars, thieves, and slackers since mankind began. If you look back at human history, that element has always been there. They sat the gates of our ancient cities. The criminals robbed travelers regularly. Yes, now you can play video games on demand. You can get porn also on demand. You can order food and they will bring it to you as long as you can pay the bill.

On the flip side of those temptations, I can type in any question into Google and get instant answers. I find it to be magical. I don't have to go to the library, look up the subject in the card index, find the book(s), and look for my answer in the pages. I simply ask my question and get several answers.

As far as personal responsibility, it's really up to you. Do what you really want in your heart. If you do run with your dream, know that you will mostly be alone during that journey. Almost all the people around you today will be in your rearview mirror. You will leave them way behind as you move forward.

Then, it's also up to you how you tell the story when you obtain your success. I've outdistanced the people I grew up with a long ago. I don't even try to tell them about my life. They would actively reject me and shun me. They don't want to hear about my success. So I downplay my life when I'm around them. They don't need to know what I'm doing.

Good point. There's always that group of society who just don't want to do anything. Crooks and thieves have always been there, even if you go back to neanderthal times.

It's just that now it's become magnified times 2.

 

[K1 Lambo]

Might be worth watching this:

• Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order by Ray Dalio

That dude is a brilliant mind. People don't realize how smart he is.

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

This guy said it better than I could have:

 

[Ocean Man]

This guy said it better than I could have:
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with this Sean guy. I don't know who he is but mental illness and depression absolutely matter. I understand what he's trying to say, but I don't think that's the right way to go about things. There's a difference between having a victim mindset and people with genuine mental illnesses that who can't get on with their day because of its effects.