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I know, I love this guy's posts.Dude. Share your opinion. I wanna hear it.
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.I know, I love this guy's posts.Dude. Share your opinion. I wanna hear it.
This is kind of a conspiracy theorist way of looking at it. This is part of what I do working in Data Analytics. We don't manipulate the masses so much as analyze data to find trends so that policy-makers can make more informed decisions. In general its a good system, and most problems arise when we deviate from that system.quotation :
"The political elite are members of the class of people who are incapable of accurately understanding, by themselves, the complex "unseen environment" wherein the public affairs of the modern state occur; thus, Lippmann proposes that a professional, "specialized class" collect and analyze data, and present their conclusions to the society's decision makers, who, in their turn, use the "art of persuasion" to inform the public about the decisions and circumstances affecting them.[2]
i have that Denver guy on ignore... he literally writes the most batshit insane posts.. the only reason i saw what he wrote was because your reply with his quoted message got delivered to my email. i honestly think he's drunk half the time he's on here.deleted
Maybe some young males out there think rocking up to some chick is a good ploy. Here's some news for you; computer dating fast forwards past this crap and gets to the nitty-gritty. Women understand this, and they don't want to waste their time with some guy with too much testosterone, or too many narcissistic tendencies. You can love how great you are when you go to the gym and watch yourself do every single curl in the floor to ceiling mirrors, as you sculpt your magnificent physique to match your solid gold irresistible celebrity worthy personality. That never gets old, does it?
If the "chicks" go home with you 9 out of 10 times, then you have certainly won a great reward, haven't you? You now have a loose woman that went out that night to find some loose guy, so they could both be loose and have a real good time together. If that's as deep as your relationships are, then go ahead and indulge.
I would say that I could, if we were both single, propose to them over the phone and they would accept. How's that for results?
Lmfao... you're every type of delusional if you believe them.Just for fun, I've asked MANY women that I know that if Tom Cruise walked in the door, and they had to choose to go out with him or me, who would they choose? Hold on. Almost all of them chose me. I asked why and they told me that the number one person in Tom's life would be Tom, whereas the number one person in my life would be THEM. Take that Tom!
By the way, I'm not a ten. I'm not even a 9 and a half. I consider myself a 6 or 7 maybe, on a good day, based on just looks and personality. I laugh at all the idiots that have blinders on that THINK they can, and that they deserve, a ten... Keep dreaming boys. But I DO beat the "ten men" day in and day out - every day of the week. Brad Pitt - Tom Cruise - bring em on.
And closely related to that is this; "she's there to meet someone to go home with." No - she's playing a game, perhaps the best or only way she knows how. What does she want then?
Women use sex to get a relationship. Men use a relationship to get sex. That's as basic and primal as it gets.
You don't? Jeez, I could have sworn you were straight out of Oxford.I don't have a PhD in anything.
That's for sureAnd, as much as it hurts me to say this - it's not because of my stud qualities, good looks, or charming personality.
Get this through your head: Just because a woman is looking for casual sex doesn't mean she's 'loose,' and this type of slut-shaming needs to go back to the stone age where it belongs. Almost every girl does it at some points in her life, but they have to lie about it because of judgmental drunken dumbasses like you calling them 'loose'. THIS JUST IN: WOMEN HAVE SEX DRIVES TOO.
agree. but i think that men tho f--- anything that moves are just as bad.women who want the odd hook-up, and those that f*ck anything that moves
agree. but i think that men tho f--- anything that moves are just as bad.
i think the point here is we should be hold both sexes to the same standards.. i mean come on.. it's 2019
I was going to post this in the “Men’s Room” forum, but decided against it because I want women to be included as well.
While this isn't business related, I’ve been noticing a lot of this “Pickup Artist” philosophy creeping in on the forums as of late and I have to admit I’m a little disappointed in it.
Just to be clear, I have absolutely no issue with casual sex. When I’m single I do the same thing. It’s whatever. Go get a new girl every night. Whatever you want. I really genuinely have no issue with it.
What I do have an issue with is the ways they go about it. For those that don’t know what “Pickup Artists” teach.. it’s essentially stuff like “Be cocky and funny” (a certain brand of humor where you bust a girls balls while acting like you’re totally ‘the shit.’) Advice like: “Don’t act too needy,” “Be mysterious,” “be unpredictable,” “don’t text her back too quickly” … essentially addressing symptoms of low self-esteem while not addressing the self-esteem itself.
But you see the Pickup Artist mentality on reddit and forums. A guy comes on the forum and says "there's this girl i really like.. what should I do?" And he’s relentlessly made fun of. The guys chime in, tell him to stop being a little bitch, and diagnose him with ‘oneitus.’
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In their view, liking one girl is a disease, and if you go and f— 10 girls, you’ll realize how ‘unspecial’ the first girl was. Make no mistake, this is pure psychopathic behavior. Literally. I have a friend who is a diagnosed sociopath, and he does things like this. The Pickup Artist community is literally trying to mold psychopaths.
Every woman is special. They all have unique personalities and quirks and each one of them is interesting in their own way. You should learn to love each and every one of them, rather than listening to some idiots trying to tell you that they’re all disposable f*ckdolls. Again, there’s nothing wrong with having sex with them, but the mentality promotes treating them as objects rather than real unique people with thoughts, feelings, fears, hopes, dreams and desires. This is the psychopathic part.
And don’t get it twisted. These Pickup Artists don’t really care about the sex. If they just wanted sex, there are much easier and less time-consuming ways to go about it. Just get a prostitute. Or get a girlfriend. But they don’t just want the sex. They want the ego validation. They want to earn the sex. Actually earning the sex shows they’re good enough to ‘get her.’ If he can get he attention of the hottest girl in the room, he’s finally ‘good enough.’ He’s finally one of the cool guys. But this feeling of validation is short lived, and it won’t be long until he’s out looking for another girl to validate him.
And every night they’re out trying to go out to get their more validation. If they fail with one girl they will spiral and get depressed until they get another girl who does validate them. They want new ones all the time, because there’s no validation in the ones you’ve already had. Where’s the challenge there?
It’s no different than a crack-cocaine addiction. A crack addict acts the same way. They go out every night trying to score a hit, and if they can’t get it, they spiral into depression.
And to be clear, it’s not just men that are the issue. There are just as many female Narcissist as well. So yes, there are Female Pickup Artists. Women just go about it differently. They get all dolled up to go out to the club, look as sexually enticing as possible and take a guy home with them. Similarly, these women aren’t so much after the sex as they are looking for the same thing the men are: Ego Validation. Feeling desirable. Getting all dolled up, get tons of attention at the bar, and take a guy home with them is all validation that they’re good enough. But similar to the men, they never exposed the ‘real her’ to that person. The makeup, the low-cut dress, the sexy heels… it’s just as much of a facade as the man who feigns a ‘cocky/funny’ demeanor and fake confident body language in order to take the girl home with him.
On the male end, all of this ‘Pickup Artistry” stuff is learning to pretend to be a confident guy. Pretending to be a leader. Taking confident body language, and confident voice tones, all the while refusing to expose how you really feel. Why? Deep down, they don’t like themselves. And again, it’s the same with women. They won't expose themselves becasue they don't like who they are. I knew this girl in High School who was so deeply insecure she wouldn’t leave the house without perfectly doing her makeup. She wouldn’t smoke a bowl with friends without doing her makeup first. She wanted no-one to see what she really looked like. And she wasn’t ugly by any stretch of the imagination. She just thought she was. And I think it’s a perfect mirror image of the Pickup Artist facade.
Listen, I’ve been there. I’ve been at the point where I always needed to show up in the nicest car, always had to look perfect, always had to be dressed perfect, always had to have the flyest chick on my arm… and of course, I could never have the same one for too long.. I wanted people to know I had a constant, fresh supply of pretty girls. Why? Pure validation. I mean if I pulled up in a normal car, with an average looking girl I couldn’t rub it in people’s faces how awesome I was. It was no different from the girl who couldn’t go to the deli without spending 20 minutes on her makeup. And it’s a horrid way to live. Like I said, it’s no different from a drug addiction. That’s why Pride is listed as one of the 7 deadly sins along with greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. Aside from wrath and sloth, ALL 7 of those are addictive behaviors. Pride is just as much of an addiction as the others.
So what am i saying here? Am I saying that casual sex is wrong? Am I saying to not do it? Am I saying to just settle for an average life eating Chinese food out of the carton with a fat wife who doesn’t shave her armpits. No, not at all. I like pretty girls and nice things as much a the next guy. Men will always like pretty girls and nice things. It's literally built into our DNA. Again, what I’m warning against is the way these guys go about it: through manipulation and denial of who they are.
The pickup ‘industry’ preys on needy guys, and tries to teach them to act in a way that doesn’t seem needy. But it’s not genuine. They’re still left with the same insecure feelings and emptiness that you were before. They’ve just learned to manipulate women better, and for a few hours they get some very brief relief from that emptiness.
So what’s the solution? Simple. Rather than trying to pretend to be confident and non-needy, actually learn to be confident and non-needy. Actually develop yourself at the core so you actually are the cool person these PUA guys are trying to get you to pretend to be.
Rather than acting like you’re ‘not needy’ take care of the psychological roots of neediness. In psychology, attachment styles are broken into 4 categories.
anxious-preoccupied (needy)dismissive-avoidantfearful-avoidantsecure (confident)
If you want fulfilling relationships where you can present who you really are and still be accepted for it, I suggest on working on developing a secure attachment style.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-nPJbTgTs
Getting to the point of of developing a secure attachment style often involves grappling with potentially deep psychological issues, but it’s really the only viable option. Besides the fact that manipulation is just plain wrong and psychopathic, it’s dangerous. Putting on a facade is no basis to meet a woman that might potentially be your wife one day. It’s like building a house on quicksand. Not only will the home likely crumble, but you will be in that home when it does finally collapse, putting yourself and everyone involved in harms way. And if you end up having children, they will be in harms way too. This may sound like hyperbole, but ask anyone who’s gone through a divorce how absolutely devastating it is to everyone involved.
When you’re secure attachment with genuine confidence, you just rock up to a chick, make it obvious you’re trying to take her home with you, and 9 times out of 10, she will. And it will be based on who you are. None of this cocky/funny body language bullshit.. none of this silly ‘hard to get’ nonsense. She’s there trying to meet someone to go home with. It’s the entire reason that bars and clubs exist.
If you like a girl for more than something casual. you tell her ‘hey I’m really intrigued by you.. maybe you’d like to go out later in the week and get to know each other?’ No games. No bullshit. You just put it out there and let her take the offer. And again, it will be based on who you are. It's a home built on a solid foundation.
The key is not to act like somebody else to, but to actually become your best self. And by being your best self you will be naturally attractive to women or men without having to act like someone else, and you’ll be significantly more attractive than those sleazy Pickup Gurus.
there is a big market for dating advice and seduction
famous entrepreneur Eben Pagan won thanks to the seduction market
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so you guys are saying that this is " bad ". everyone is unique .
but the market says "this is a good thing". millions of guys are buying products
so who is right ? you or the market ?
we are on the business forum but you are saying that the markets are wrong.
there is a problem
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FYI: Guy93777 is the formerly banned user GMS17D.
Anyway, just because there is a market for something doesn't make it right.
There's a market for cocaine and sex trafficking ... does that make it OK too?
I see a far bigger problem.I'm not surprised men are flocking to PUA/Game type stuff they find on the internet, it's because they have no where else to go or turn to. The core problem in my opinion is men don't understand women, especially young men. Guys will often ask girls for help or their opinion, only to watch women go and do the complete opposite of what they say. This frustrates men, especially young guys because they are doing what they think is right, only to watch the girl of their desires routinely going out with *Bad Boys*, getting hurt, over and over - hoping, expecting her to realize he is the guy of her dreams. But it never happens, and this is how Nice Guys^(TM) are born. Nice Guys repress so much anger and emotion over the years that it leads to a life of *incel* or *Forever Alone*. We've seen this stuff manifest in various growing communities online like: MGTOW, Incel, Red Pill, etc. There's a lot of salt in there, mostly from Nice Guys who don't get it, but there's also a lot of hurt guys in there as well (divorce, cheating, etc).
I expect PUA to lose relevance, people aren't going to bars and clubs like they used to in the past. OLD and Tinder are taking over, we're seeing lower rates of marriage as *hook-ups* and FWB's become more common. Will this work in the long run? Probably not. We've all seen the report 30% of the men aged 18-30 aren't getting any sex (in the last year), and that number has grown steadily for the last ten years where the women's number has been unchanged. So what's happening?
I think this goes back to the root cause: men have nowhere to go to learn about women. And with the rise in things like social media, the internet, video games, etc guys will choose to retreat into these virtual worlds and porn, rather than pursue women because of a few bad experiences. Women aren't exactly kind when they eject men, so I can't blame them for retreating like this. The problem today is too many men are doing this, and at the same time you have the media going on a full anti-male tirade labeling all men as rapists, misogynists, over-privileged etc (remember the famous Gillette ad?), this further angers a lot of these guys. So we have this situation in the gender war where men and women are more divided than ever, and men don't really understand women all too well, and women on the other hand are proving to not understand men.
I agree with you that pick up artistry in the old sense is disgusting with negging women and all that. Since the beginning of this year I have been studying Game. My curiosity peaked after reading the Game (N. Strauss), I then read his follow up book "the truth" and realized how f*cked up he was inside.
For me after a long term relationship was a complete newbie again. While searching follow up videos of Niel Strauss on youTube, i came a across RSD (Real Social Dynamics).
RSD Max - The Natural
I specifically resonated with RSD Max as he is from Austria & I really liked his energy. He boosted me away from depression a number of times along this road so far
RSD Max focuses on "Natural Game". This is completely different from the standard old PUA style.
From a guys point of view Max is all about how to:
The aforementioned points may come naturally to you experienced guys in the fast lane as I can see how these traits would be shaped by, and benefit you in, the business world.
- Take Action,
- Own your own inhibitions & mistakes,
- Get out of your head,
- Set clearly defined boundaries with people,
- Accept rejection,
- Value your self before every thing else (therefore no validation seeking)
- How these behaviors moves you towards the alpha side of male characteristics.
- Etc.
Trust me when I say, quite shamefully actually, "This Shit Was Completely New to Me!"
It woke me the heck up to social dynamics and taking control of my own destiny.
He of course teaches a lot about female psychology. In a respectful way and not by manipulating them, for example he teaches
how to resonate with the opposite sex in a positive & fun way.
Again ! Trust me when I say, quite shamefully, "This Shit Was Completely New to Me!"
- traits women find fun in a guy,
- how to make women feel safe in your company,
- how women like you stand behind the boundaries you set (i.e. no "nice guy" behaviors)
- how and when to compliment women on things they already know or without being creepy,
- what women actually mean with body language.
- how to give her the feeling that she is chasing you when you coming from a position of abundance
The reason I am here in this forum is due to and RSD Max video where he listed of the most life changing books of his life. He gave MJ de Marco an unbelievably good shout out for 'Unscripted '. I immediately downloaded it and here I am today
I like RSD Max, I love his respect for women and I like his energy, and his push towards self reflection. I like him as a digital friend only. I will never hit on a girl in his style, it is just not in my character.
The Natural Lifestyles
I started following the teachings of James Marsh (the natural lifestyles). These guys in the end were my heros. Just chilled out guys focused on day game.
Their method: Girls want to be approached by guys. Simple. It shows the woman you have the courage to be a man (even if you are visibly shitting yourself) and it shows you are not like the 99% who are sat at home swiping on tinder or drunk in a bar.
There approach technique: Take time to get out of your head, approach, fail, assess, try again. Approach, succeed, start up conversation about the first thing that pops into your head, immediately be clear with your intent, intentionally use the silence as tension in your conversation, how to build on this tension and release on it when necessary. Quickly dissipating tension is nice guy pleasing method and it doesn't drive the emotional connection.
Conclusion to OP
My point is, your title drew me in because I completely disagree with you when it comes to Natural Game.
These guys are pick-up artists, yes. It is their life and their business. Your confidence, resilience to rejection and awareness of other people etc. are possibly assets that have been gained from your experience in business and you can use when you are single. I think that is great and obviously can carry though into your sex life.
Remember 95% of the guys wnating to learn pickup who are not like you, are bitches to the system, working 9-5 job and they have no idea how to do any of this. I was that chode! Actually I still kinda am, but at least I am aware that I need to work on it now and I spend more time learning the skills to pick up business than to pick up girls.
You have the right of free speech to or to blurt what ever you want in a title and paint Pick Up Artistry with one big fat brush & say openly that you despise it. It generates a healthy discussion here and I love that.
I have given you some good references for "positive game", that has set me on this journey and lead me here to this forum today. I do not agree with every word that comes out of their mouths, naturally. They are only teachers of social dynamics and cannot be right all the time.
For all those Nice Guys out there, or people who are depressed, fed up, lacking confidence, these guys can help you.
For men, it's not easy to get laid. That's why guys who do it regularly are called playboys (think James Bond), they're celebrated, and the kind of guys that can do this easily are chased by women, and men want to be them.
Men don't desire these kind women for relationships, and women often slut shame them (my guess is women slut shame because they don't trust these women and fear they'll sleep with their man, women slut shame way more than men)
I agree with you that pick up artistry in the old sense is disgusting with negging women and all that. Since the beginning of this year I have been studying Game. My curiosity peaked after reading the Game (N. Strauss), I then read his follow up book "the truth" and realized how f*cked up he was inside.
For me after a long term relationship was a complete newbie again. While searching follow up videos of Niel Strauss on youTube, i came a across RSD (Real Social Dynamics).
RSD Max - The Natural
I specifically resonated with RSD Max as he is from Austria & I really liked his energy. He boosted me away from depression a number of times along this road so far
RSD Max focuses on "Natural Game". This is completely different from the standard old PUA style.
From a guys point of view Max is all about how to:
The aforementioned points may come naturally to you experienced guys in the fast lane as I can see how these traits would be shaped by, and benefit you in, the business world.
- Take Action,
- Own your own inhibitions & mistakes,
- Get out of your head,
- Set clearly defined boundaries with people,
- Accept rejection,
- Value your self before every thing else (therefore no validation seeking)
- How these behaviors moves you towards the alpha side of male characteristics.
- Etc.
Trust me when I say, quite shamefully actually, "This Shit Was Completely New to Me!"
It woke me the heck up to social dynamics and taking control of my own destiny.
He of course teaches a lot about female psychology. In a respectful way and not by manipulating them, for example he teaches
how to resonate with the opposite sex in a positive & fun way.
Again ! Trust me when I say, quite shamefully, "This Shit Was Completely New to Me!"
- traits women find fun in a guy,
- how to make women feel safe in your company,
- how women like you stand behind the boundaries you set (i.e. no "nice guy" behaviors)
- how and when to compliment women on things they already know or without being creepy,
- what women actually mean with body language.
- how to give her the feeling that she is chasing you when you coming from a position of abundance
The reason I am here in this forum is due to and RSD Max video where he listed of the most life changing books of his life. He gave MJ de Marco an unbelievably good shout out for 'Unscripted '. I immediately downloaded it and here I am today
I like RSD Max, I love his respect for women and I like his energy, and his push towards self reflection. I like him as a digital friend only. I will never hit on a girl in his style, it is just not in my character.
The Natural Lifestyles
I started following the teachings of James Marsh (the natural lifestyles). These guys in the end were my heros. Just chilled out guys focused on day game.
Their method: Girls want to be approached by guys. Simple. It shows the woman you have the courage to be a man (even if you are visibly shitting yourself) and it shows you are not like the 99% who are sat at home swiping on tinder or drunk in a bar.
There approach technique: Take time to get out of your head, approach, fail, assess, try again. Approach, succeed, start up conversation about the first thing that pops into your head, immediately be clear with your intent, intentionally use the silence as tension in your conversation, how to build on this tension and release on it when necessary. Quickly dissipating tension is nice guy pleasing method and it doesn't drive the emotional connection.
Conclusion to OP
My point is, your title drew me in because I completely disagree with you when it comes to Natural Game.
These guys are pick-up artists, yes. It is their life and their business. Your confidence, resilience to rejection and awareness of other people etc. are possibly assets that have been gained from your experience in business and you can use when you are single. I think that is great and obviously can carry though into your sex life.
Remember 95% of the guys wnating to learn pickup who are not like you, are bitches to the system, working 9-5 job and they have no idea how to do any of this. I was that chode! Actually I still kinda am, but at least I am aware that I need to work on it now and I spend more time learning the skills to pick up business than to pick up girls.
You have the right of free speech to or to blurt what ever you want in a title and paint Pick Up Artistry with one big fat brush & say openly that you despise it. It generates a healthy discussion here and I love that.
I have given you some good references for "positive game", that has set me on this journey and lead me here to this forum today. I do not agree with every word that comes out of their mouths, naturally. They are only teachers of social dynamics and cannot be right all the time.
For all those Nice Guys out there, or people who are depressed, fed up, lacking confidence, these guys can help you.
I hadn’t heard of any of the blogs or podcasts like RSD until this thread. I couldn’t care less really.. BUT I tend to judge leaders by the quality of their followers.
If you’re a good representation of an RSD fan or James Marsh fan then Im thinking more guys should listen to them. I liked every sentence you wrote dude.
Thank you for balancing out the convo.
LOL looks like you got there first. My post was almost identical
You know what though? I've found that genuinely 'ugly' women are relatively rare. Now I don't know your friend but if you've ever seen celebrities that people consider attractive without makeup, you'd realize much of what we see is not natural beauty.I used to have a dear friend who was quite unattractive. She’s small, thin, and her jaw structure is very masculine. She reads romance novels voraciously (she used to supply me like a crack dealer, lmfao). She owns her three bedroom 2,500 sq ft home, lives simply, and hasn’t gone on even one date in eight years.
She asked me one day in tears, “is it because I’m ugly??” I held her and said no, of course not.
Every woman is special. They all have unique personalities and quirks and each one of them is interesting in their own way.
BUT I tend to judge leaders by the quality of their followers.
i judge leaders by their understanding of life , not by the guys that follow them.
truth does not depend on followers. it is complete by itself.
every guy on this forum should have a wall with leaders on it. i have one
here is Dan Pena's wall
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3) Millennial boys are more passive and socially inept. Self-explanatory. What do you expect from a generation that grow up with facebook, iphone and instal-grams. They suck at face to face communication and are less willing to talk to girls. Today’s bad boys are not really bad...they cannot even fight. I suspect they have lower sperm count and lower testosterone.
PUA is dying as girls do not go to bars anymore. That is partly true. Young boys today do not even do day games anymore. People who tried games ten years ago have retired and there is no nee blood. Do not expect today’s boys to approach a girl. They cannot even talk to people they already know and they prefer to text.
Marilyn Monroe banged everyone.. from like 6 the Kennedies, to Marlon Brando, to screenwriters, to mob bosses. Women look up to Marilyn Monroe as much as men look up to Hugh Hefner. Women have Marilyn Monroe posters on their wall, post Marilyn Monroe quotes on their Instageam. Femme Fatales are often almost as revered as their seductive male counterparts.
While I agree in part, I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. Look at Marilyn Monroe. She's the female equivalent of Hugh Hefner or James Bond. Seductive women are often as revered as seductive men.
Marilyn Monroe banged everyone.. from like 6 the Kennedies, to Marlon Brando, to screenwriters, to mob bosses. Women look up to Marilyn Monroe as much as men look up to Hugh Hefner. Women have Marilyn Monroe posters on their wall, post Marilyn Monroe quotes on their Instageam. Femme Fatales are often almost as revered as their seductive male counterparts.
I see a far bigger problem.
Today’s men are not that interested in women any more. That is a bigger problem.
There are many causes.
1) Old institutions are not relevant any more. It is only for the last two hundred years in the west that people marry for love. Marriage has always been a union if families for the political elites and business continuation for the average class. If you are a male peasant you need more labor to grow food. You marry a “good girl” to produce babies literally. Marrying for love was seen as “crazy” for thousands of years. In the 19th century in the west people could make a decent living by themselves in industrial jobs and marriage was no longer strictly a mean for business continuation. This is when people marry for love. The golden period of “traditional marriage” was in the 1950s when a man in factory could earn enough to make his wife a housewife and enjoy a good living. Before that women also worked in low skilled vocations. The following development is the history as we know it. Women are economically independent of men and will not take shit from men. Thats why you have single and divorced women who have chosen that. People today can live fantastic live as individuals and will not tolerate the other for the sake of having a union. People are just getting more selfish, be it men or women.
2) Sex is good but so are many other stuffs. The boomers experienced the sexual revolution and the good and bad that came along with it. Millienials are different. They are so many digital stimulation out there that boys are no longer that crazy about sex any more.
3) Millennial boys are more passive and socially inept. Self-explanatory. What do you expect from a generation that grow up with facebook, iphone and instal-grams. They suck at face to face communication and are less willing to talk to girls. Today’s bad boys are not really bad...they cannot even fight. I suspect they have lower sperm count and lower testosterone.
PUA is dying as girls do not go to bars anymore. That is partly true. Young boys today do not even do day games anymore. People who tried games ten years ago have retired and there is no nee blood. Do not expect today’s boys to approach a girl. They cannot even talk to people they already know and they prefer to text.
4) Millennials boys and girls are more geeky and intellectual kind... these people tend to be less active in relationships and intimacy.
lmfaoI will go along with being a brain tumor that sprouted fingers - as I have been taunted in the past. I give points for originality!
Is PUA still around? I was of the opinion that after burning through their specific target audience those scammers pivoted to the bigger more general evergreen markets of self-development / inner game / confidence / whatever peddling their stuff. If I remember correctly they imploded years ago, wasn't "The Game" published like more than a decade ago?
on average... yes. but if you zoom in it's a little more complicated... male mating seems to adhere to a pareto distribution, where the top 20% of guys get the bulk of the attention from women. and this isn't stuff i'm coming up with off the top of my head, or just personally witnessed... it's a well-studied phenomenon.Women and men are opposites: women get laid easily, men don't.
I'm going to have to disagree here. You can't compare a Hollywood bombshell celebrity like Marilyn Monroe to normal women. Marilyn Monroe was a sex symbol, she oozed sex. Take your average, off the street girl that dresses like a stripper, parties, f*cks 5 guys a week on Tinder....maybe she's a waitress, maybe she's a nurse, doesn't matter - girls aren't' looking up to her, girls don't wish they were here, girls will gossip behind her back, say mean stuff to her face when they're drunk and warn men about her. If you've ever spent time with a group of women over wine, you hear a lot of gossip, mean and vindictive shit said about their so called friends. Women don't want to be labelled as a *slut*, it's terrifying to them - it's almost the same as being labelled a *creep* for men.
Women and men are opposites: women get laid easily, men don't.
One thing that has changed is porn. It's everywhere. And kids are watching it more than ever. Young boys have seen more naked women before they turn 15 than most adults have seen in a lifetime. What's weird about the world is as the porn-ification of society accelerates, the less and less sex men are having. We've all seen that study that found men between 18-30 are haven't the least amount of sex in history (see WaPo link below), with 30% of these men being sexless. Women are still getting laid though. I wonder why?
Tinder/Instagram make it easy for women to get lots of sexual attention, both wanted and unwanted. It's also why many men aren't getting any attention from these women, only the very top few are getting selected. so online dating won't work for most men...and as men learn this, they try to find other ways to meet women, that's where they will inevitably find things like PUA/Game, or just retreat into the land of porn, video games and drugs. Depression will follow as life loses meaning for many of these men.
As for the pussification of men in the millennial era (my generation), lower testosterone levels and sperm counts are part of the problem. It has been documented (see GQ link below), that sperm counts have been dropping every year since WW2, and kids born today have far less testosterone than their grandparents, and most healthy men in their 20s have the equivalent T levels as a 60 year old man. There is a fear that T levels will continue to drop at the current rate there will be point where men won't have enough testosterone to get an erection and impregnate women...and for those that can, their sperm counts will be too low for conception. This is called the ZERO SPERM level, where humanity will cease to exist (we will survive thanks to artificial inception). This is actually a very big problem, the causes are unknown, many link it to plastics and our sedentary modern environment.
What Happens If We Hit Sperm Count Zero?
A strange thing has happened to men over the past few decades: We've become increasingly infertile, so much so that within a generation we may lose the ability to reproduce entirely.www.gq.com
3) Millennial boys are more passive and socially inept. Self-explanatory. What do you expect from a generation that grow up with facebook, iphone and instal-grams. They suck at face to face communication and are less willing to talk to girls. Today’s bad boys are not really bad...they cannot even fight. I suspect they have lower sperm count and lower testosterone.
Do not expect today’s boys to approach a girl. They cannot even talk to people they already know and they prefer to text.
so on average, yes it's harder for men to get get sex. the bottom 80% at least. but for the top 20%? it's easy as f--- becasue they have literally every girl competing for them. so it's easy for women to get laid in general. most women can go out and grab a random guy and take him home. But they don't want that. They want the top dog (or at least one of the top dogs) And for that, they're competing for his attention. So in that sense, it's a lot harder for them to get the guys they actually want. Because the ones they actually want are usually busy with a more attractive female.
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