Why are Doctors such a$$ holes?

[CarrieW]

I've never had a doctor I didn't like that I personally went too. There was one I didn't care for that had no bed side manner when I worked in a nursing home like you're talking about. For Lawyers they have more ego in Michigan where I lived than doctors.

if you are in the profession you are treated much differently then the "average patient"

when my mom was in the hospital, they cardiologist was a total schmuck, talking down to us being short, ignoring our questions etc. then he asked us which of us was a medical professional. once he found out who was (and that they were in the room) amazingly shit changed real quick. we had managers and hospital directors and floor nurses a plenty and the doctor took a lot more time with us and her. however it wasn't enough time to actually get her properly treated and her medications correct. that took almost a week and over a dozen calls to get worked out...

Its disgusting... really.

I am jealous of those who have an easy time with doctors. every once in a great while I will find one I get along with. a few I can tolerate seeing for treatment, but for the most part they are a waste of space and money...

 

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[CarrieW]

it takes a lot more than braveness to stick up for something that is not effecting you personally. (that is not something that can be taught or one can learn)

to me, right now I am just sticking up for myself. (or my kids) to do that without being personally effected is extraordinary. I fight because I am effected. you do just because that's awesome!

I also want to be an advocate of sorts. I have had a lot of things happen to me that would likely have killed someone without my strength. and my reason for wanting to fight beyond my own fight is for those who have lost their own battles, those who aren't strong enough to fight on their own or need support or help, and to stop douchebags from F*ckin with peoples lives just because they can... I cant go further or I will start breaking forum policies....

 

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[Iwokeup]

As a physician....

What is it about doctors that you find so off-putting? Why are they "d-bags"? What are your expectations? Are they realistic?

Cheers,

 

[CarrieW]

As a physician....

What is it about doctors that you find so off-putting? Why are they "d-bags"? What are your expectations? Are they realistic?

Cheers,

several things, anything you care to ask that I cant answer here specifically here you can ask me through private message. still cant guarantee I will answer though

the things that I can mention,

extremely condescending attitudes, talking down to people, rushing to conclusions without even hearing most of the necessary information outright insulting people, extremely conceited, judgmental, holier then thou attitudes. thinking that they know EVERYTHING... the list goes on and on...

I had a doctor when I was 7 months pregnant call me a liar because I refused to sign a release for an injection in my hip that said it could cause a potential rise in blood pressure. I was on bedrest since week 6 of pregnancy for complications from my blood pressure. said I wasn't really in pain because I wanted to consult my obgyn and nephrologist and perinatologist before I did anything...

I have had a kidney doctor of more then 60 yrs old (I was 23 and again pregnant I switched to a female dr in the same practice after) ask me if my rug matched the curtains....

for my son, I should be listened to as his mother (as should he) we both have infinitely more knowledge about his conditions than a random physicians assistant or emergency room doctor, should we should be listened to when we give information about his condition. (specifically about his pain tolerance) if he and I both believe it is serious it is probably serious despite clinical presentation of pain

also for my son, who is autistic as we now know, again as his advocate I should be listened to more than I am. I had to fight tooth and nail for every single assessment because despite my repeated concerns and questions and requests for testing were blown off by my pediatrician at every turn. 3 yrs and 4 doctors later we finally started the process of initial testing... despite the fact that from the first dr visit at 14 days old I knew there was something different and started asking questions only to finally at 11 yrs old have a diagnosis of asd confirmed and we are still waiting for a complete psychological assessment to be done...

these are some of the more milder encounters. I have many more. and most are much worse.

too much and private to get into on my behalf and some of it is still reguarding injuries obtained in an accident that is still pending litigation(and treatment) for.

 

[sle3pyguii]

I figured the mean ones had their patience broken by all the death, bad news, annoying patients, diminishing salaries, increasing paperwork and insurance crap throughout the years.

 

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[CarrieW]

I figured the mean ones had their patience broken by all the death, bad news, annoying patients, diminishing salaries, increasing paperwork and insurance crap throughout the years.

I figured they were jut

Hmm, I'd feel like being an a**hole too if I went to school until I was 30 only to have the entire industry that pays for my services swallowed by a defective government.

To get healthcare in this country now you either have to have cancer or be poor. We went from like 50 bucks a month for $500 deductibles to 170 per month and $5000 deductibles. Why? Because we are paying for the healthcare of a bunch of welfare recipients.

if this was a new problem I would believe that. except this spans the last 3-4 decades...

 

[CarrieW]

Wow I love this! This guy I got paired with in a golf game once introduced himself as Dr. Spec. I called him Mr. Spec the whole time. Douche.

Next time someone does that I'm going to call myself CEO KAK

this last guy, the entire office staff calls him dr suess. no wonder they didn't tell me my son was seeing a pa. they call him dr. HE IS A PHYSICIANS ASSISTANT. he was referred to a pediatric orthopedic surgeon (3 specialties for those keeping track) not a pa. (the doctor refused to even see or examine my child even after the pa referred him up... I already had a referral for a DOCTOR)

I have little to no respect for someone just because. I don't really care what letters you have before or after your name. I have respect for people who have respect for me. I can tell very fast when someone does not.

I could have an entire alphabet behind my name and would never think to act that way. I treat everyone with respect until I am disrespected.

I have an innate hatred for people who think they are better than other people, I do not know what it is, but I can pick that shit up and it disgusts me... and I am not one to hold my tongue.

I have 4 appts tomorrow to go to. 1 for me 3 for my kids. I have been sick to my stomach since last week. anticipating these appts. that's how much I am disturbed by the medical system.

the most stressful part of my entire life, hands down, is trying to get medical care. being sick isn't even that bad. I am thankful for my life and everything in it. but the doctors and the stress they cause are going to kill me. I am sure of it. idk when but it will.

2 of the apts are with a doctor for me and my son. an orthopedic surgeon, (my 6th his 2nd) that I only met once, found tolerable, didn't hate him so I am going back. but now I have to take my son... I try VERY HARD to keep the kids and my medical things separate. (long stories why) but now I am forced to take him to my doctor. fingers crossed everything works out ok. (I have to get more injections and the doc has to know wth is wrong with my kid) I am only concerned about the boy and his issue and the fact this guy isn't a pediatric doc and that now I will have all of my attention focused on him and not on me. which means one of us isn't going to get the best care...(me)

this whole thing sucks. the first thing I am doing when I am "fastlane" is hiring a private concierge doctor with cash... F*ck all these assholes and their bullshit games.

sorry rant over. as you can tell I am stressed

 

[CarrieW]

I am so stressed I completely forgot I have another drs appt before the orthopedist LOL that would have sucked. been waiting 3 months for that appt...

so make that 5 appts tomorrow. 2 for me 3 for the kids. just a taste of what I have going on, after tomorrow I have to get a bunch more testing done...

ontop of the drs I am already seeing currently I have to get back again and get tested by a cardiologist (she wants another holter last one was 15yrs ago), a new nephrologist and neurologist. probably a shrink to prove I am not crazy (I was crying @ my first apt LOL) idk what the sleep dr is called that's who I am seeing tomorrow. because even tho I have ddd, herniated disks, pinched nerves and now a new hip injury the dr thinks I have a sleep disorder instead of believing I am in pain LOL

but w/e this new primary is nice. I actually liked her. so I will go see whatever docs she wants and get her tests done and jump through her hoops. she is I think like dr Mathews. one of the good ones. I have only met her once tho. a lot of them can be nice once.

we will see.

 

[CarrieW]

THIS!

THIS IS IT! again. and I know how it sounds but idc. this is my problem in a nutshell. how perfect.

guess what dude. idc what grades you got in medical school. idc what position you graduated in your class. (because I know I have the ability to do exactly the same thing) idc how many letters you have before or after your name. I am Carrie F*cking Weber. I will be treated with respect. and if you cant respect me well then F*ck you. F*ck you and your degrees and your grades. LOL. Id rather suffer and die than pay homage to a person like that for even air...

 

[Tommy92l]

While they are total assholes, it can't just be doctors. I mean sure people hate them because the stereotype is that "They're rich", but really. 400K a year is rich to some of you on this forum? Some of you make 100K a month. There are plenty of other assholes out there to hate.

 

[CarrieW]

While they are total assholes, it can't just be doctors. I mean sure people hate them because the stereotype is that "They're rich", but really. 400K a year is rich to some of you on this forum? Some of you make 100K a month. There are plenty of other assholes out there to hate.

for others maybe. I don't hate people unless they do something to me. doctors happen to be one of the few kinds of people I have to interact with on a normal basis. sitting at red lights or being stuck in traffic doesn't get me upset. when the cashier messes up I don't flip out. when my food is cooked wrong I usually eat it (unless its really disgusting or unsafe) that said I expect certain things. and not even unreasonable things. and when the basics are not done or screwed up or you are an a**hole to me now its on... its got nothing to do with the car you drive or how much money you have in the bank... Id flip shit on just about anyone, rich poor idc. to me money is just a tool... disrespect me and you will know it. I am very forgiving of mistakes and shortcomings, but do something intentional and there is no mercy...

I would venture to guess most of the doctors I hate aren't rich LOL.(most doctors in general I would guess aren't what I would consider "rich") even if they were, I know this sounds crazy coming from someone on a board like this, but I don't envy money.

I hate people who give me reason to hate them, by what they do to me. period the end. idc what you did to john doe up the road, idc what you did last week, if you can do what I need you to do and not be an a**hole while your doing it were mint if not then we have issues.

 

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[CarrieW]

Well, as a physician all that I can say is that:

* we are losing the ability to control HOW we practice medicine.
* too many "customer service" a$$holes in the business world, who have no idea about the practice of medicine, have driven medical practice into ridiculous metrics (door to doctor, "patient satisfaction") which turn us into glorified pill pushers.
* congruent with that is the entitled, over-informed ("I read on Google about X and so I know more than you") patient population who will complain to your corporate overlords if you do not do what they want, instead of what's actually best for them. By the way, the whole "I know my body," while it sounds nice is usually BS. Most (95%) have NO CLUE or understanding of what's happening to them and that's why there are doctors.
* Erosion of the field by mid level practitioners (mostly Nurse Practitioners) who are under trained, ignorant of their ignorance, but who claim that they are every bit the equal of the physican who spent at LEAST 7 years gettting to a decent practice level. There isn't any damn shortcut and most physicians know that there is so much that they DON"T know that they are (usually) humble in the face of the unknown.

Finally, there is all of the loss of control (financial, economic, bleeding of the bottom line by a huge number of folks who only see medicine as a gravy train). That has made me an a$$hole on more than one occasion.

end rant

I 100% totally agree with everything you just said! there are so many problems. the entire industry needs to changed. and not in the direction it is going.

the biggest issue that prompted my bringing up this thread was one of your points. (pa thinking they know as much as a specialist)

I also can understand that after years of practice one can feel like they know things that they really don't. which is how assumptions are made.

I do however have a major problem about the statement that you said about who turns drs into pill pushers. it is not the csr's its the entire industry. I have had first hand experience of being pushed into specific medications because the company that made it was running a "promotion" and a contest for a trip somewhere to the the most prescribing doctor. the doctors spend more time with drug reps then they do patients. almost the entire industry of pharmaceuticals is meant for the suppression of symptoms and not curing anything. and most cause more harm than good. I wont get into it here but I could go on and on about what wrong with the industry... (far longer list then what could be blamed on the individual patient like me)

and in defense.(not specifically @Iwokeup don't know you and you have done nothing to me personally )
I didn't choose to need a doctor. you chose to be one. so suck it up cupcake... if you don't like dealing with all of the above you should have chosen another profession... its not like these things you mentioned were hidden before you started. I on the other hand have no choice. its go see doctors and get what medicine done I know can help and sift through the assholes. or not and pretend the entire profession doesn't exist and let whatever happen happen... which for me is ok for time to time. I do get fed up and say screw it and go without needed medical care. but as a parent I cant do that. I HAVE TO PROVIDE MY KIDS MEDICAL CARE and that means I AM FORCED TO DEAL WITH IT. if only on their behalf...

 

[Iwokeup]

Rep+ for the inside perspective.

Thanks, MJ!

 

[CarrieW]

again I agree with what you say.

my specific opinion of the doctors that I consider douches are not because of the disfunctioning system. but the way they treated me specifically.

but I 100% agree that you are right the system is horrible. I tend to believe the people who really got into it to help people actually do it despite the system. (like dr Mathews and my new dr I think I like) and most of the others. and I hope you. but the ones I am talking about probably would have been nasty assholes no matter what profession they chose, and were attracted to the power of being a dr and not because they actually wanted to help people.

I have doctors that I have loved. doctors I have hated and everywhere in between. I am not saying all doctors are bad. it just seems lately I have been seeing it get worse (because it was compounded by my son and my mothers health issues)

the second point you make I cant comment too because it gets too political. and I am generally all for business (look at the board I am on) but in my opinion healthcare should not be about profits. its horrible and it isn't getting any better any time soon and again the system is not the same as the people in it. I have had a few very pleasant wonderful caring doctors working in the same system. and then well there are the douchebags.

 

[CarrieW]

It is destroying alot more than medicine...

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[Toushi]

I absolutely hate doctors, they have been responsible for so much undue sorrow in my life.

The misdiagnosis rate has been judged by some studies to be near 40%. Therein lies the problem of relinquishing control in your health just like in your finances. Is it really worth putting one of your most valuable assets in the hands of a "professional" who went through the admirable "rigors" of rote learning?

 

[CarrieW]

So who would you put yourself into the hands of then? Not being snarky, but just asking.

Also keep in mind that human beings as biological systems are not rigorous and do not always "follow the rules." Diagnosis is complex and the more information that you have plus extensive training and experience, the lower the likelihood of error. But it's not and won't ever be zero, man.

even then somethings defy diagnosis. that's just a fact. there are breakthroughs everyday in medicine. things that killed people years ago are cured in a few days with a few pills.

that's why I get upset when doctors lump me into the 95% and by God we all know I love me some Google. but google is not a doctor and is only a starting point or information gathering place. I have learned a great deal from google. mostly what questions to ask... you can prove anything right or wrong on google and have things that will kill you be ok and things ok that will frickin kill you. a doctor should be a trusted source to help you filter information. you definitely should be an advocate for yourself and know whats going on, but there are definitely times to defer to the experts

 

[CarrieW]

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actually I'm not a doctor but what purpose does it serve to complain about doctors here in a "fastlane forum", just because you have had bad experiences with them? We all have had good and bad experiences which isn't the least important to anybody else except you. It's like saying "all blonde people are dumb because I know some of them who are". Ridiculous!

that's not true. despite the fact that this is in the rest stop/off topic area of the forum it could serve a few purposes right off the top of my head. perhaps it spawns a new business idea. perhaps it helps someone learn something about customer service or how to treat people in general. maybe someone gains insights into the industry to create something related to easing the pain points discussed here. or how to interact with doctors or people in the medical profession for any of the above...

there have been a lot of people contributing many points on all sides. I think it served a few things. but the only intention I had when I created it was to make myself feel better and to know I was not the only one encountering issues like this. there aren't many people who can relate to challenging the authority of someone in charge like the unique people on this forum. I was hoping for support which I feel I got in spades. and I love everyone here for that <3

and no one here is talking in absolutes. because you are in fact right that would indeed be ridiculous...

 

[CarrieW]

3 docs today 5 apts only 2 are mine. Ones for an injection lol. I have a tens unit (that I love! ) and can get an internal stim any time I choose to move forward. There are many reasons I haven't yet.

Shades is dead on.

Ill post back later today

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[Toushi]

Think for yourself. Research everything. Listen to people who have had your issues and things they have been through. Taking a doctors word for it is a dangerous game to play.

Very true, I think this critical thinking and anti-authoritarian mindset is why many of us pursue the fastlane in the first place. We see through lies and challenge conventional norms; this is why we may never make good 9-5ers.

They even have this "guarded prognosis" rule in place to prevent them from litigation which essentially leaves patients in the dark about how their health is progressing. This is why when you ask them direct questions they try to speak in a way in which, if needed in the future, they could disclaim statements made.

 

[CarrieW]

Sleep doc check. Conditional or Learned insomnia is what I have lol. He was awesome. Definitely a non douche. Im Sitting@ ortho now... fun fun

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[Shades]

My pet peeve is watching one of those gastric bypass programs where they show some 400 lb woman who's "tried everything" and now wants bypass surgery. Yet when they cut to her home life and you get a glipmse of her refrigerator/pantry, it's clear she hasn't tried everything. Little Debbie snack cakes, Entemans donuts, and gallons of ice cream tell me that you haven't tried everything and that you're full of shit -- you want the short-cut.

Ive known of two people who has that surgery. They still wind up obese anyway. The surgery cant fix the mentality of the person. Its not getting to the cause of the problem. You keep eating like shit in huge portions of course your gonna still get fat. Its interesting how all that kinda ties in with Fastlane stuff. People always do want the short cut. The easy way.

So when does your book on diet and lifestyle come out?

 

[Vigilante]

I think my favorite "doctor scapegoat" is fibromyalgia. IMO, fibromyalgia is "I don't know WTF is wrong with you" so lets say it's that.

BTW, I was diagnosed with fybromyalgia about 10 years ago. The symptoms immediately disappeared by eating better and eliminating processed food.
I also was diagnosed with ERDs -- again, disappeared with proper diet.
I also was diagnosed with high-chol -- again, disappeared with proper diet.

And yet in each instant, I was offered medication as the fix.

What's really broken is the stuff we feed ourselves and call it food. That's another book.

I am on cholesterol meds. I will be off them as soon as I melt this fat. In progress.

 

[Vigilante]

My pet peeve is watching one of those gastric bypass programs where they show some 400 lb woman who's "tried everything" and now wants bypass surgery. Yet when they cut to her home life and you get a glipmse of her refrigerator/pantry, it's clear she hasn't tried everything. Little Debbie snack cakes, Entemans donuts, and gallons of ice cream tell me that you haven't tried everything and that you're full of shit -- you want the short-cut.

I WANT THE SHORT CUT because running and eating carrots sucks balls.

 

[CarrieW]

I am on cholesterol meds. I will be off them as soon as I melt this fat. In progress.

they still would "like" me to be on cholesterol meds. my numbers are only slightly elevated, slightly out of skew(bad ones out number the good etc) but I have respectfully declined. lol that was one of my dailies.

 

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[CarrieW]

Take away:

• take personal responsibility to take care of your body
• eat right (do we really need to explain?)
  
• exercise
• moderation
• keep look for a good doctor as they are out there
• look for doctors that introduce themselves with first and last name only. (that is the way my doc did)
• don't lump all people in one group

thank you for this

 

[scott.legendre]

my favorite "doctor" has been a nurse practitioner who told me straight up, don't call me Dr, my name is x. has his own skin care line too.... but then he moved to austin and has now opened his own practice there. He still recieves royalties from the skincare portion of his clinic in town, and made sure he chose a worthy successor that I'm using now, so far so good.

While he still would recommend and push meds, i think that was to cater towards most of his patients since he was also all for proper eating habits and exercise to cure problems. If it was ever mentioned, he would do followups and tell you to get off the meds.

 

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[SarahSH]

I am on cholesterol meds. I will be off them as soon as I melt this fat. In progress.

My dad is on them as well and he started taking co-enzyme Q 10...said it has helped him with some of the side effects. I think his doc recommended it.

 

[Iwokeup]

I don't think that I actually had a reaction. Not sure though.

I had a lot of trouble linking the symptoms to anything. They initially came into my life during a relatively stress free time but the symptoms seemed to match up to a panic attack. I would notice a bloating in my stomach and my breathing rate would start to increase. I would feel a bit dizzy and my thought process would change. Then all of a sudden I would breath real hard, feel super nauseous, lose any ability to reason or perform basic thought processes and would lose much of my vision. I would feel like there was no control and that objects were flying at me if I was moving in a car. My sight was reduced to what appeared to be a tunnel. I would end up on the ground no matter where I was at. I would try to get up and walk even though I was out of control but in my head I had a feeling that movement might bring me "out". It would not though. My wife said that I was not able to be reasoned with and that she felt like a caregiver. I had a prior girlfriend that told me the same thing when I broke up with her.

The first doctor that I took this to ran some tests. He eventually said that he did not know what it was and that there was nothing more he could do. I switched doctors and the next one did not do much of anything. He sent me to a Psychologist that started giving me pills. I bailed from both of these and went to another doctor. She ran different tests for a couple of years before I gave up.

I was very active as a runner, hiker, and all around activities. Nobody knew anything was wrong with me unless they actually witnessed one of the episodes. This would freak people out if they did see it. I usually had about 10-15 minutes to get to a safe location once I felt the first twinges.

The frequency would always vary. I noticed that they would always increase around times of travel. I reduced my sugar intake (big mistake) thinking that it might be in my diet.

I was having these every couple of days when I read the article about aspartame. The problem stopped IMMEDIATELY after I dropped the artificial sweeteners. I have not had another episode in four years.

Very interesting. I'm glad that you're much better and if you don't mind I'm going to add it to my diagnostic repertoire.

 

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[Iwokeup]

@Iwokeup

I think that there are challenges in every field. Doctors are amplified because they work so close with people. Doctors have to be very smart to get through all of the challenges associated with getting into their field. I don't blame anyone for my problems except for me.

I agree with the statement that we need to be putting the right things into our bodies. It is not hard to do but for some reason we make other choices.

It all comes down to choices....

Yep, very true. Cheers man.