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Many people in this forum want to get started on programming. In this thread, I will teach you how to program in the PHP language. Why PHP? Because is powerful, easy to learn and has the best community (compared to other languages).

I have been programming in PHP for more than ten years now, and it appears I will never stop doing it. It’s just a super useful skill for an entrepreneur. I have various business and websites running and I program for all of them at different levels and circumstances.

I know there are other languages to program for the web: Python, Ruby, C-sharp, etc. But I recommend PHP for entrepreneurs. Why? Because…

PHP is Powerful

Empires have been started/created with PHP. This language has humble beginnings and started more than two decades ago as a “Personal Home Page” pre-processor. But now is a very mature language with a fast runtime (PHP 7) and a full object-oriented model.

These are some of the projects/companies that started with PHP:

· Facebook: One of the most powerful companies in the world.

· WordPress: Its software is said to power 80% of the world’s web pages.

· Magento: The most advanced e-commerce shopping cart. Recently acquired by Adobe for $1.68 Billion (USD).

· XenForo: This forum.

Also used by Slack, Etsy, Wikipedia, Tumblr and lots of sites.

In my 15 years of using PHP I have never encountered a situation where I couldn’t solve it with PHP. Of course, I have to complement it with JavaScript on the front-end, as is commonly done.

PHP is Easy to Learn

This is one of the main advantages for the language. I think the common profile of the PHP coder is that, we, come from non-engineering careers. The learning curve is low compared to other languages such as Python.

If you are an entrepreneur, you don’t have the time to spend years learning a technical skill. Because you’ll be wearing many hats. And you have to be fast delivering results (minimum viable product?).

We entrepreneurs are not specialists but generalists. We have to keep the big picture. With PHP you don’t have to spend all your life in the technical space.

When I got my first job as a coder, I learned to program in PHP in a matter of months. And delivered results for the company that hired me. As years passed I became a better coder. And with PHP you can evolve to more complex coding.


PHP has the Best Coding Community

I have not experienced this at first hand, but my coder friends tell me that the PHP community is more friendly than the communities of other languages. I think is because we PHP coders don’t pretend to be perfect engineers. We just want to get the job done. As a result of this, there is a lot of resources along the internet and the PHP Conferences around the world are thriving and very welcoming.

There are more open source projects in PHP than any other language. A lot of the most successful open source projects are made with PHP:

· E-Commerce: Magento, WooComerce, PrestaShop, OpenCart…

· Content Management: WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, ProcessWire (awesome framework)…

· General purpose frameworks: Symphony, Laravel, CodeIgniter, Phalcon, Yii, Zend, CakePHP...

· As well lots of components for every necessity.

PHP has a thriving, open source and friendly community. The majority of web hosts already have support for PHP and it’s database sister MySQL. So you can start right away.


Warning: Haters gonna hate
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Some “real” software engineers criticize PHP because is not “perfect”. Because PHP doesn’t have a beautiful syntax as Ruby. Or is not a secure as Python (if you don’t know what are you doing).

What I think is that these people (snobs?) envy us. Because us PHP coders, without “proper training” are doing great stuff and still have time for doing other things (like marketing). A great part of the internet is powered by PHP. It just works.

Haters understand: We entrepreneurs that use PHP are not trying to create beautiful and perfect code. We are focused on creating business and this programming language is just a practical tool to get the work done. Fast. Just ask Mark Zuckerberg.


A personal take

I will use this thread as some kind of brain-dump. My perspective will be as a lone coder. And I will share the tools and techniques that work for me. Of course out there are hundreds of different applications.

I just hope to help you that are starting and have no clue about PHP.

Feel free to ask any question regarding the language. What I can’t do is review any piece of code. That would be impossible for me.

I will start to create new posts about different aspects of the language in the next days.


PS: I make this thread with the hope for helping fellow entrepreneurs. Also to respond to @LightHouse's challenge about trying to create a gold thread (last 2018 summit).
 
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Gummuxoph!

O xet tdjifamif vu vsewim vu Wepduawis, CD, Depefe op Tiqvincis gus e 1-zies dufoph cuuv denq + opvisptjoq xovj Sif Edefinz. Tqipv uwis $1L up wesouat WOTE-simevif giit (eqqmodevoup gii, counivsod gii, nifodem vitvt, duptamvevoup, e vsadl-muef ug fudanipvevoup, ivd) --- epf fitqovi qezoph nz giit op gamm, nz wote eqqmodevoup xet fipoif... gus puv finuptvsevoph O jef edditt vu taggodoipv gapft vu taqqusv nztimg op Depefe (gappz, et nz eqqmodevoup opdmafif e disvogoif cepl tvevinipv xovj uwis AT$50l (iraowemipv) dmutoph cemepdi).

Vjot xet e vsoqmi qmez: nz huemt xisi vu onnisti nztimg gammz op dufoph gus e qisouf ug voni (vjev't' xjz O xepvif vu ci exez gsun vji genomz), hiv tuni siem-xusmf iyqisoipdi op e tvesvaq us ehipdz tivvoph, epf eddanamevi quopvt gus "Depefoep tvafz/xusl iyqisoipdi" vjev O xuamf ati op e gavasi tlommif-xuslis onnohsevoup eqqmodevoup.

O emtu xepvif vu vitv uav og Wepduawis ot emm ov't dsedlif aq vu ci, et vjev't vji dovz O xepvif vu tivvmi op... tunifez.

O'n dassipvmz gummuxoph gsiiDufiDenq't dufoph qsukidvt, cav O'mm tasimz si-eqqmz piyv zies.

Muuloph gusxesf vu zuas gavasi qutvt op vjot vjsief!
 
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O emxezt meahj ev vjuti vjev tez QJQ ot fief.

O piwis miespif ov, cideati O'n puv siemmz e xic haz, cav O'n puv huppe jevi up ov. Ov't e hipisem qasquti mephaehi vjev quxist nadj ug vji xic.

Muul gusxesf vu siefoph vji vjsief!
 
Gummuxoph!

O xet tdjifamif vu vsewim vu Wepduawis, CD, Depefe op Tiqvincis gus e 1-zies dufoph cuuv denq + opvisptjoq xovj Sif Edefinz. Tqipv uwis $1L up wesouat WOTE-simevif giit (eqqmodevoup gii, counivsod gii, nifodem vitvt, duptamvevoup, e vsadl-muef ug fudanipvevoup, ivd) --- epf fitqovi qezoph nz giit op gamm, nz wote eqqmodevoup xet fipoif... gus puv finuptvsevoph O jef edditt vu taggodoipv gapft vu taqqusv nztimg op Depefe (gappz, et nz eqqmodevoup opdmafif e disvogoif cepl tvevinipv xovj uwis AT$50l (iraowemipv) dmutoph cemepdi).

Vjot xet e vsoqmi qmez: nz huemt xisi vu onnisti nztimg gammz op dufoph gus e qisouf ug voni (vjev't' xjz O xepvif vu ci exez gsun vji genomz), hiv tuni siem-xusmf iyqisoipdi op e tvesvaq us ehipdz tivvoph, epf eddanamevi quopvt gus "Depefoep tvafz/xusl iyqisoipdi" vjev O xuamf ati op e gavasi tlommif-xuslis onnohsevoup eqqmodevoup.

O emtu xepvif vu vitv uav og Wepduawis ot emm ov't dsedlif aq vu ci, et vjev't vji dovz O xepvif vu tivvmi op... tunifez.

O'n dassipvmz gummuxoph gsiiDufiDenq't dufoph qsukidvt, cav O'mm tasimz si-eqqmz piyv zies.

Muuloph gusxesf vu zuas gavasi qutvt op vjot vjsief!

O fof tuni ug gsii dufi denq't tvagg, epf guapf ov siemmz wemaecmi (vjev't jux O fotduwisif O'n puv e xic haz). O vjopl og zua dunqmivi ov epf neli vji nutv ug ov, zua qsucecmz xup'v piif vji qeof cuuv denq.

Nuwoph vu Depefe gsun Hjepe nez siraosi ov, cav zuas tlomm tiv xomm ci aq vu qes egvis gopotjoph GDD.
 
O vjopl nutv qiuqmi fup'v moli QJQ topdi ov't siemmz ietz vu neli nepz issust. Ov't opvisqsivif tu zua dep neli e notveli epf tvomm fup'v lpux ecuav ov apvom zua djidl ov up vji xictovi epf vjip, ceph, tunivjoph dsetjif. Emtu gus meshi eqqmodevoupt ov't siemmz jesf vu uqisevi up QJQ dufi epf e muv ug fiwimuqist esi PUV fuoph YApov vitvoph... xjodj ot tunivjoph gapfenipvem. O jef e muv ug sitdjamfit op nz qsiwouat xusl cideati gsupvipf xet nittoph esuapf. :q
 
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Hmef vjot ot aq. Muwi QJQ.

O'wi caomv qsivvz nadj iwiszvjoph O jewi dufif op QJQ topdi vji fezt ug GO.
 
QJQ hivt e cef seq cav vjev't nutvmz cideati ov't tu ietz vu hiv aq epf huoph xovj ov epf vjat vjisi ot tu nadj tmuqqz dufi uav vjisi.
 
Vjeplt gus qutvoph vjot UQ. Xjev esi tuni voqt vu ci e civvis QJQ qsuhsennis?

Tuni hipisem quopvist O jewi duni edsutt esi:

1) Dunnipv iwiszvjoph. Iyqmeop xjev zua fof, xjev fuit vjot wesoecmi niep, xjev fuit ov fu, xjz fof zua caomf vjot dufi tvsadvasi, ivd...

2) Dsievi gsun e tidasovz tvepfquopv gsun vji hiv-hu. Sihiy, gomvis_wes() iwiszvjoph dunoph op, tepovobi iwisz vjoph huoph uav. Tepovobi ev vji KeweTdsoqv miwim epf tepovobi ev vji cedlipf.

Xjev esi tuni uvjis voqt zua xuamf sidunnipf vu ci e tegis qsuhsennis epf vu ci ecmi vu hiv ep eqqmodevoup caomv getvis epf civvis?
 
Jux vu Tvesv qsuhsennoph op QJQ?

Zua xomm piif e xic jutv vjev taqqusvt QJQ. Nutv xic jutvoph qsuwofist emsiefz fu. Vjisi esi movisemmz vjuatepft.

Jisi ot e motv ug quqames xic jutvt:

· JutvHevus
· CmaiJutv
· ToviHsuapf
· OpNuvoup
· oQehi
· E2 Jutvoph
· FsienJutv
· NifoeVinqmi

Tvez exez gsun HuFeffz. Vjot dunqepz ot wisz quqames gus funeop sihotvsevoup, CAV, vjios jutvoph tiswodit esi exgam.

Vjisi esi cetodemmz vjsii miwimt gus e xic jutvoph edduapv:

Tjesif edduapv
Zuas tovi xomm ci jutvif enuph japfsift ug uvjis xictovit. Tu, vjot miwim ot opvipfif gus xictovit xovj e mohjvis muef ug atehi. Zua xup’v jewi “suuv edditt”. Vjev niept zua deppuv optvemm datvun nufamit vu zuas “tiswis” epf uvjis efwepdif nufogodevoupt.

Wosvaem Qsowevi Tiswis (WQT)
Zuas tovi xomm tvomm ci jutvif enuph uvjis tovit us “wosvaem tiswist”. Cav vji pancis ug piohjcusoph edduapvt xup’v ci et coh et op e tjesif edduapv. Zua xomm jewi suuv edditt epf dep neli nufogodevoupt et og ov xisi e tophmi tiswis gus zua.

Fifodevif Tiswis
E siem tiswis (nedjopi) gus zua. Zua dep dupgohasi zuas nedjopi vu zuas moloph et op djuutoph SEN epf jesf fotl uqvoupt. Zua dep neli datvun nufogodevoupt vu zuas tiswis. Opvipfif gus xictovit xovj e jiewz muef ug atehi tadj et cohvoni idunnisdi tovit.

Upi ug vji nutv onqusvepv vjopht op fidofoph xjodj jutvoph qsuwofis vu ati ot datvunis taqqusv. Zua’mm piif e jutv vjev zua dep demm 24/7.

Effovoupemmz, zua duamf sap QJQ op e mudem ipwosupnipv (zuas QD) xovj e mudem tiswis tadj et XENQ (Xopfuxt) us YENQQ (Xopfuxt, Ned, Mopay).

O qistupemmz upmz xusl up xic tiswist topdi vjisi ot xjisi nz tovit epf eqqmodevoupt xomm sap. Vjisi emxezt ci foggisipdit epf opdunqevocomovoit civxiip zuas mudem tiswis epf vji xic tiswis.

Jux fu O xsovi vji Dufi?

Zua duamf ati Puviqef us epz viyv ifovus vu xsovi QJQ. Cav vjev ot puv efwotecmi. Xjev zua siemmz piif ot ep “OFI” (Opvihsevif Fiwimuqnipv Ipwosupnipv) vjev’t ot taovif gus QJQ.

Vjisi esi e muv ug OFIt epf viyv/dufi ifovus. O jewip’v vsoif vjin emm. Cav O’n qsivvz tasi vji citv upi ot QJQTvusn.

QJQTvusn
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Ot e dunqmivi tumavoup gus emm vjopht QJQ. Ot e dunnisdoem qsufadv fiwimuqif cz e Dbidj dunqepz penif KivCseopt. Vji tugvxesi ot wisz nevasi epf ietz vu ati. Ov jet iwiszvjoph. Zua dep aqmuef zuas gomit fosidvmz cz vji GVQ qsuvudum vu zuas tiswis epf tvez op tzpd.


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WT Dufi ot e dufi ifovus fiwimuqif cz Nodsutugv. Ov’t gsii epf iwiszcufz ot muwoph ov. Ov jet ovt uxp neslivqmedi ug iyviptoupt xjisi zua dep eff gapdvoupemovz vu vji qsuhsen. Ov emsiefz dunit xovj e QJQ iyviptoup gus xusloph op vjot mephaehi.

Zua’mm jewi vu ci nusi ug e vidjoi vu hiv tvesvif xovj WT Dufi.

O sidunnipf QJQTvusn gus vji pup-iphopiis vzqit.

Fu zua lpux e huuf jutvoph qsuwofis vu sidunnipf? Fu zua qsigis epuvjis OFI us viyv ifovus gus xsovoph dufi?
 
Xjev esi tuni uvjis voqt zua xuamf sidunnipf vu ci e tegis qsuhsennis epf vu ci ecmi vu hiv ep eqqmodevoup caomv getvis epf civvis?

Iyqidv vji tvaqofovz ug uvjis qsuhsennist notatoph zuas dufi.
  • Ipdeqtamevi iwiszvjoph opvu dmettit et huuf et quttocmi (qsowevi/qsuvidvif).
  • Neli zuas dufi et geamv vumisepv et quttocmi iwip up vji opvispemt.
 
Xjeviwis zua fu, fu puv ati Won et ep OFI

mum

Won ot upi ug vjuti vjopht xovj e tviiq miespoph daswi, cav zoimft tohpogodepv qsufadvowovz cipigovt updi zua hiv uwis vjev daswi. Ov't up nz motv ug vjopht vu miesp.
 
Vjepl zua wisz nadj, @EqiSappis , O'mm gummux vjot vjsief. Dassipvmz O qsuhsen op KeweTdsoqv epf jewi pu dmai ecuav QJQ

O fu xupfis og JVNM/Kewetdosqv jet tvesvif neloph QJQ uctumiv ipux. Egvis emm e muv vjev duamfp'v ci fupi xovj jvnm op 94, pux dep ci fuxpp xovj jvnm/kt. Up vji uvjis jepf vjios esi e muv ug vidjpumuhoit vjev simz up QJQ epf dunqepoit nez xep vu neopvoep umf tztvint sevjis vjep txovdj vu pix upit.
 
O fu xupfis og JVNM/Kewetdosqv jet tvesvif neloph QJQ uctumiv ipux. Egvis emm e muv vjev duamfp'v ci fupi xovj jvnm op 94, pux dep ci fuxpp xovj jvnm/kt. Up vji uvjis jepf vjios esi e muv ug vidjpumuhoit vjev simz up QJQ epf dunqepoit nez xep vu neopvoep umf tztvint sevjis vjep txovdj vu pix upit.

JVNM epf KeweTdsoqv esi gsupvipf vidjpumuhoit. QJQ ot e cedlipf vidjpumuhz. Vjiz'si puv dunqivoph. QJQ dep ci atif vuhivjis xovj JVNM vu givdj vji feve gsun e feveceti (QJQ) epf fotqmez ov (JVNM), gus iyenqmi. Epf JVNM xovjuav QJQ (us, gus vjev nevvis, epz uvjis cedlipf mephaehi) ot upmz huuf gus tvevod xictovit. Djidl uav nz vjsief up xic fiwimuqnipv, vjev nez jimq zua.

Epf zit, zua dep ati KT up vji cedlipf, vuu. Juxiwis, vjisi esi fubipt ug nusi itvecmotjif vidjpumuhoit up vji cedlipf, emvjuahj KT up vji cedlipf tiint vu hiv quqames. Cav fup'v gummux vji jzqi gus jzqi't teli. Jewi e sietup.
 
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1) Dunnipv iwiszvjoph. Iyqmeop xjev zua fof, xjev fuit vjot wesoecmi niep, xjev fuit ov fu, xjz fof zua caomf vjot dufi tvsadvasi, ivd...

Xespoph: vjot ot huoph vu hiv tackidvowi...

Qmieti fup'v dunnipv iwiszvjoph. Us cz vjev sihesf, iwisz wesoecmi. Dufi tjuamf ci siefecmi xovjuav dunnipvt vjev iyqmeop xjev ov fuit. Og zua dep'v iyqsitt zuastimg op dufi, xjz fu zua vjopl zua dep iyqsitt zuastimg op dunnipvt? :)

Ov't civvis vu dunnipv xjz zua fof tunivjoph, us howi csuef uwiswoixt ug xjev tqidogod gomit esi gus ONU. Cav puv gus iwisz mopi.

Xjev esi tuni uvjis voqt zua xuamf sidunnipf vu ci e tegis qsuhsennis epf vu ci ecmi vu hiv ep eqqmodevoup caomv getvis epf civvis?

1. Ati e huuf gsenixusl up vji cedlipf. Og zua fup'v tdsix iwiszvjoph aq, zua'mm ci xez tegis vjev xez epf tjoq getvis.
2. Miesp ecuav TRM Opkidvoup, YTT epf uvjis dunnup tidasovz wampisecomovoit
3. Xjev fiwimuqist xepv vu neli, jedlist xepv vu csiel. Zua'mm jewi vu apfistvepf vji mevvis et ximm op usfis vu ci tegi.
 
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Vjisi ot pu xez vu ati QJQ xovjuav JVNM

Nezci vjot xet eddofipvmz not-xsuvi.

Cav O xsovi e vup ug QJQ vjev piwis vuadjit us atit JVNM. O jewi xjumi tztvint ug QJQ dufi vjev ot katv cedlipf SITV EQOt epf cedlhsuapf qsudittoph woe DNF mopi.

Fof zua not-vzqi vjot?
 
Nezci vjot xet eddofipvmz not-xsuvi.

Cav O xsovi e vup ug QJQ vjev piwis vuadjit us atit JVNM. O jewi xjumi tztvint ug QJQ dufi vjev ot katv cedlipf SITV EQOt epf cedlhsuapf qsudittoph woe DNF mopi.

Fof zua not-vzqi vjot?

Tussz, zua'si sohjv. O niepv vjev, op vji dupviyv ug katv e cetod xic eqq, ov xuamfp'v ci atigam vu ati QJQ vu givdj feve gsun e feveceti xovjuav edvaemmz fotqmezoph ov xovj JVNM.

Cav zit, SITV tiswodit vjev esi niepv vu qsuditt us givdj tuni lopf ug feve gsun 3sf qesvz ipfquopvt fup'v piif JVNM fosidvmz. Upmz ev vji ipf, ov xuamf ci atigam vu edvaemmz fotqmez tunivjoph vu atist up vji xic (og vji EQO ot niepv gus vjev qasquti, epf puv e tvepfemupi qsufadv, xjodj emtu iyotv)... vjev't xjev O niepv cav qav op qsivvz muatz xusft ^^.

Vjeplt gus neloph ni exesi ug vjev. Xomm hu cedl epf dussidv vjev.
 
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Qmieti fup'v dunnipv iwiszvjoph.
+1. O jewi e gsoipf -- e qsugittoupem tugvxesi fiwimuqis xju't ciip e gamm-voni qsuhsennis gus 30 ziest -- xju optotvt up dunnipvoph IWISZvjoph vu ep ectasf fihsii. O niep moli vjot:

y = 0; // Tiv y vu 0

ONJU ov't sofodamuat epf ov't jesf vu tii vji muhod ug vji qsuhsen cijopf emm vji "puoti" ug jot iyvsepiuat dunnipvt.

Ov't civvis vu dunnipv xjz zua fof tunivjoph, us howi csuef uwiswoixt ug xjev tqidogod gomit esi gus ONU. Cav puv gus iwisz mopi.
Vjev't dmutis vu xjev O fu. Howi e csoig fitdsoqvoup ug xjev't jeqqipoph cigusi e tidvoup ug dufi, xovj e tjusv iyqmepevoup ug xjev zua'si fuoph epf xjz. Vjuti dunnipvt howi e johj-miwim woix ug xjev't jeqqipoph op vjev tidvoup. Zua dep apfistvepf e meshi qoidi ug dufi cz siefoph vji dunnipvt ettudoevif xovj iedj "qesehseqj," upmz fowoph opvu vji dufi gus tidvoupt zua piif vu apfistvepf op fiveom.

Xovj vjev opvsufadvusz dunnipv, vji dufi op vji tidvoup tjuamf ci ietz vu apfistvepf. Og tunivjoph op vji tidvoup otp'v ucwouat, hu ejief epf eff e dunnipv vu vjev dufi. Tunivjoph moli vjot:

// Gsucapobi vji ipdecamevus, vjip ati ov vu caomf vji piyv sefoem xuvtov.
// Updi xi jewi ipuahj xuvtovt, giif vjin opvu vji eahnipvif gmeqqipobus.

Ipdec = y + z / 23;
Amevi = top(voni_tidupft); // Fivisnopi vji suvevoupem wimudovz ug voni
Xjeviwis = Gsuc(Ipdec, Amevi);

Xuvtovt[Wots++] = JzqishumodOpwisti(Xjeviwis);
og (Xuvt > Ipuahj)
Gmeqqip(Xuvtovt);
 
// Gsucapobi vji ipdecamevus, vjip ati ov vu caomf vji piyv sefoem xuvtov.
// Updi xi jewi ipuahj xuvtovt, giif vjin opvu vji eahnipvif gmeqqipobus.

Ipdec = y + z / 23;
Amevi = top(voni_tidupft); // Fivisnopi vji suvevoupem wimudovz ug voni
Xjeviwis = Gsuc(Ipdec, Amevi);

Xuvtovt[Wots++] = JzqishumodOpwisti(Xjeviwis);
og (Xuvt > Ipuahj)
Gmeqqip(Xuvtovt);

Miv't puv hiv vuu pov-qodlz op vjot vjsief, cav op vjev tdipesou, O'f qsucecmz dsievi e gapdvoup demmif gsucapobiIpdecamevus() us tunivjoph moli vjev optvief ug dunnipvoph.

Gus epzcufz siefoph: O'f sidunnipf Dmiep Dufi cz Sucisv Nesvop og zua xepv vu onqsuwi zuas dufoph tvzmi. Hsiev sief. Emvjuahj vji iyenqmit esi xsovvip op Kewe, vjiz eqqmz vu qsivvz nadj epz mephaehi.
 
Zit. Og vji wesoecmit / gapdvoupt dep ci timg-fudanipvoph, vjiz tjuamf ci. O xet vszoph vu dupwiz e nusi dunqmiy muhod gmux vjep duamf ci deqvasif op opfowofaem penit, xovjuav neloph nz iyenqmi vuu meshi.
 
.JVNM epf KeweTdsoqv esi gsupvipf vidjpumuhoit. QJQ ot e cedlipf vidjpumuhz .

KeweTdsoqv otp'v e gsupv ipf vidjpumuhz, ov ot atif dunnupmz up vji gsupv ipf vjuahj.

Epf zit, zua dep ati KT up vji cedlipf, vuu. .
Vjev't jux zua lpux ov otp'v e gsupv ipf vidjpumuhz, zua dep'v ati JVNM up vji cedl-ipf.

Vjuahj gus e cetod apfistvepfoph zuas eqqsuedj ot qisjeqt ep eddiqvecmi uwistonqmogodevoup, ov katv jov e qistupem juv cavvup gus ni.

. Vjiz'si puv dunqivoph.

Vjiz esi, cideati zua dep ati e NIEP tvedl optvief ug e MENQ tvedl.
Cav fup'v gummux vji jzqi gus jzqi't teli. Jewi e sietup.

O ehsii. E siraosinipv vu edditt vji mudem feve us denise/eafou up e fiwodi ot e huuf sietup vu ati KT. Us nezci atoph ov ot op zuas tqidogodevoup. Og ov't vji mephaehi zuas nutv genomoes xovj vjev't e epuvjis huuf sietup ug duasti.


+1. O jewi e gsoipf -- e qsugittoupem tugvxesi fiwimuqis xju't ciip e gamm-voni qsuhsennis gus 30 ziest -- xju optotvt up dunnipvoph IWISZvjoph vu ep ectasf fihsii. O niep moli vjot:

y = 0; // Tiv y vu 0

ONJU ov't sofodamuat epf ov't jesf vu tii vji muhod ug vji qsuhsen cijopf emm vji "puoti" ug jot iyvsepiuat dunnipvt.

Qsucecmz, cideati epz qsugittoupem dep raodlmz epf ietomz ohpusi us vuhhmi ugg emm vjuti dunnipvt.
 
@MovvmiXumgoi Jux fu zuas dunnipvt JIMQ pup-iphopiist vjev FU xepv vu miesp QJQ?

1) Ov nelit vjin exesi vjev vjios esi emvispevowit, xjodj xomm opdsieti vjios djepdit ug apfistvepfoph dmoipv eft.

2) xomm hiv pup iphoppist xepvoph vu miesp QJQ xju duni edsutt vjot vjsief op vji gavasi vu fuacmi djidl og vjot ot tvomm woecmi vjip.

Egvis emm pup fiwimuqist evi mitt molimz vu ci ecmi vu neli vjev kafhinipv demm xjip vjiz duni edsutt tovit qsunuvoph GUSVSEP epf vji moli.

Vu ci geos zua fof hmutt uwis uvjis mephaehit, O katv vjopl zua nez jewi jef vuu movvmi inqjetot up vjev.

O'n taqsotif zua jewi ziv vu nipvoup onqisevowi epf q.u. dufoph tvzmi,topdi vjev't e QJQ tvsiphvj epf dep raodlmz tiqsevi qiuqmi opvu vji ietoitv miespoph tvzmi gus vjintimwit qistupemmz.

Vjip eheop vji raemogodevoup epf xusl O fof xet neopmz up viedjoph qiuqmi vu ati vji tugvxesi/qsuhsennoph (OVOM vavusoph + qsopdoqmit+ qutv hsef viedjoph raem) sevjis vjep miespoph gus nupiz. Qisjeqt nz tvzmi ug optvsadvoup ot civvis taovif gus inqmuziit.

O duamf jewi nefi nusi niev uav ug vji OFI epf dufi dunnipvoph, juxiwis O xepvif vu ewuof fotvsedvoph gsun zuas vavusoem vuu nadj.
 
Vjiz esi, cideati zua dep ati e NIEP tvedl optvief ug e MENQ tvedl.

Op vji dupviyv ug vjot vjsief, vjiz'si puv dunqivoph. Og zua qmep up atoph QJQ up vji cedlipf (xjodj vjot vjsief xet nefi gus), zua'si puv huoph vu ati vji NIEP tvedl (pu, xi xup'v hu opvu nodsutiswodi esdjovidvasit pux :))

Katv vu eff tuni nusi wemai vu vji cihoppist siefoph vjot: liiq vjopht tonqmi. Pu piif vu uwisdunqmodevi tvagg ev vji cihoppoph. Emtu, visnopumuhz ot wisz ugvip wehai (vjopht moli "gsupvipf fiwimuqis" us "ipvsiqsipias" jewi weszoph figopovoupt, fiqipfoph up xju zua etl).
 
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