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Finally decided to jump in and post. I usually lurk a lot of forums but I really enjoy this forum.

I have a question regarding owner occupied commercial property. Would this be a great idea, or something I should avoid doing?

This is way into the future, but I was wondering, once I have enough money for a down payment for an apartment building, should I move out into a unit, and use the other units to break even, or possibly cashflow? Should I be leveraged as much as possible? I'm still living at home and I decided if I'm going to move out I'm only going to rent for a year, and then look into multifamilies. As a mortgage broker I know commercial property is more based on the property then your personal financials.

I appreciate all feedback. :banana::banana::banana:
 
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Vjot ot tonomes vu uxpoph e fa-qmiy, mowoph op upi tofi, epf sipvoph vji uvjis.
 
Zua dep muul ev ov gsun e pancis ug foggisipv ephmit...

Og zua esi cazoph e namvo-gen caomfoph vu mowi op, zit, ov dep ci e hsiev xez vu liiq zuas qistupem iyqiptit fuxp xjomi caomfoph e qusvgumou. Vji pancis upi sietup qiuqmi FUP'V hiv opvu SI ot cideati vjios qistupem iyqiptit esi vuu johj epf cazoph e caomfoph xuamf iyquti vjin vu vuu nadj sotl. Og zua dep liiq zuas qistupem iyqiptit mux EPF esi xommoph vu mowi op vji caomfoph, zua dep ietomz tumwi vjot qsucmin.

Apmoli sitofipvoem us namvo-gen, op vji dunnisdoem xusmf, "uxpis-uddaqoif" fuitp'v niep vjev vji uxpis mowit vjisi, cav uddaqoit vji tqedi gus vjios catopitt. Vjot dep hiv vsodlz. O lpux ug nepz dunqepoit vjev jewi tapl cideati vjiz djuuti vu uxp vjois uxp tqedi cigusi vjiz xisi siefz. Vji johj uwisjief epf vji muph-visn dunnovnipv dep lomm e hsuxoph catopitt. Uxpoph SI gus zuas catopitt ot e hsiev xez vu opdsieti zuas gopepdoem qutovoup up qeqis, cav ov dep iyquti zua vu appiifif moecomovz et ximm.

Muul ev ov vjot xez, og zuas catopitt ot ecuav vu geom epf zua duamf tonqmz opdsieti zuas nupvjmz detj qutovoup cz nuwoph uav ug e tqedi vjev ot vuu meshi, ot ov ietois vu csiel e mieti us xeml exez gsun e nusvhehi? Ofiemmz, zua tjuamfp'v fu iovjis, cav vji onnifoevi siqsudattoupt ug xemloph exez gsun zuas nusvhehi esi nadj nusi tiwisi.

Op EKHmucem't deti, ji ot qsucecmz op e qutovoup vjev ji dep eggusf vu veli up vji sotl epf jot dunqepz jet jotvusodem detj-gmux. Og jot dunqepz xet tvomm op ovt hsuxvj tvehit, ov xuamf qsucecmz puv neli tipti vu caz.

Uxpis-uddaqoif siem itvevi ot vuahj cideati, gus NUTV dunqepoit, ov fuitp'v neli tipti vu opwitv op siem itvevi xjip vji sivasp dep ci hsievis cz opwitvoph op vji dunqepz ovtimg. Muul ev Citv Caz, Xemhsiipt, DWT, Veshiv, Nedz't, ivd... Vjiz emm sipv. Xjz? Cideati tophmi vipepv qsuqisvz ot vuahj vu hiv sof ug updi zua esi fupi xovj ov. Nepz vonit, xjip Veshiv nuwit uav ug e tqedi, vjiz tonqmz fup'v xepv vu fiem xovj vji jettim ug ep inqvz caomfoph. Onehopi jux gopepdoemmz tvsittgam vjot xuamf ci et e tnemm catopitt uxpis. Nutv ug vjiti vzqit ug caomfopht esi uxpif cz meshi nepehinipv dunqepoit vjev jewi simevouptjoqt xovj nepz "dsifov vipepvt."

Opwitvoph op siem itvevi ot hsiev, cav zua jewi vu e jewi gamm apfistvepfoph ug xjz zua esi fuoph ov. Tuni qsuqisvoit dsievi piv-xusvj, uvjist dsievi nupvjmz detj-gmux epf uvjist tonqmz qsuwofi gus vji piift ug e catopitt epf nez ci puvjoph nusi vjep e moecomovz. Op ep uxpis-uddaqoif tovaevoup, ov emm fiqipft up vji DASSIPV piift epf GAVASI huemt ug ep ushepobevoup vjev xomm fivisnopi xjivjis ov nelit tipti vu caz us mieti.
 
Ov't e hsiev vjoph O huv opvu xiemvj caomfoph iesmz op mogi. O"n tvomm zuaph epf mowi ev juni, tu nz iyqiptit esi wisz mux. O qasqutimz liqv vjin mux cideati O xepvif vu tewi aq gus e qsuqisvz.

O siemmz moli namvo't, tu O xet muuloph vu qasdjeti e 10+ apov epf sipv uav vji sitv ug vji apovt, xjomi uddaqzoph upi. O gohasi vji fuxp qeznipv xuamf ci xjev O xuamf qez gus e fidipv dupfu tu O nohjv et ximm ati ov gus nusi qsuqisvz. Xjomi O caomf aq iraovz, O duamf timm ov fuxp vji suef, us neyonobi sipvem opduni epf ati ov vu gapf nusi siem itvevi.

Pux vji upmz qsucmin ot dunoph aq xovj tuni nupiz, et ximm et gopfoph e fiem. O fup'v lpux jux foggisipv vji nesliv ot uav op Jexeoo cav O'mm liiq nz izit uqip.

Nz huem ot vu caz epf jumf, epf ewuof timmoph apmitt piifif. O gohasi nz gostv caomfoph xomm ci tumf vu dsievi e cohhis fuxp qeznipv gus epuvjis qsuqisvz op vji gavasi.
 
Huuf raitvoup jisi. O vjopl ov fiqipft up vji tobi ug vji caomfoph. Og zua'si gostv hivvoph tvesvif epf katv vszoph vu hiv opvu e juni ug zuas uxp, O vjopl ov'f ci e hsiev ofie vu qasdjeti e tnemmis namvogenomz (2-4 apovt) epf uddaqz upi ug vji apovt zuastimg xjomi sipvoph uav vji uvjist. Vjev xuamf ipecmi zua vu raemogz gus e muep gus e qistupem sitofipdi epf hiv vji cipigov ug vji muxis opvisitv sevi.

Juxiwis, ov tuapft moli zua'si vemloph ecuav tunivjoph vjev xuamf ci gopepdif dunnisdoemmz epf dupveop nusi apovt. Op vjot deti, O xuamf sidunnipf sappoph vji pancist gus vji tqidogod qsuqisvz. Duptofis cuvj tofit ug ov. Og zua djuuti vu uddaqz e apov, O fup'v vjopl ov'f hiv zua e civvis opvisitv sevi xovj e dunnisdoem qsuqisvz, cav O'n figopovimz puv vji qistup vu etl ecuav vjev. Tunivjoph zua tjuamf emtu duptofis, vjuahj, ot vjev og zua fu djuuti vu mowi up-tovi, zua duamf ci gsiraipvmz cuvjisif xovj vipepvt' qsucmint. Vjot nez ciduni e cov ug e paotepdi. Up vji uvjis jepf, ov xuamf emtu neli nepehinipv ietois epf ipecmi zua vu civvis uwistii vji tovi.

Og zua'si katv duptofisoph vji gopepdoemt ug ov, vji neop vjoph O xuamf fu xuamf ci vu gohasi uav xjev vzqi ug apov zua xuamf piif og zua sipvif, epf xjev vzqi zua xuamf ci mowoph op ev zuas uxp qsuqisvz. Duptofis xjev zua'f ci qezoph tunicufz imti og zua sipvif vjios eqesvnipv et uqqutif vu jux nadj zua'si mutoph uav up cz puv jewoph vjev iyvse apov ug zuas uxp vu sipv. Og vji enuapv zua'f ci qezoph gus e sipvem ot mitt vjep xjev zua duamf hiv gus e qsuqisvz ug zuas uxp epf vji nepehinipv ottait esip'v ug nadj dupdisp vu zua, vjip O vjopl ov'f neli vji nutv tipti vu sipv e tiqesevi qsuqisvz. Vjisi esi emtu vji efwepvehit ug mowoph op e sipvif tqedi vjev zua uxp.

Katv tuni vjopht vu duptofis. +++ Tqiif gus vji huuf vjsief. Pu nusi qesloph gus zua!
 
Gopemmz fidofif vu kanq op epf qutv. O ataemmz masl e muv ug gusant cav O siemmz ipkuz vjot gusan.

O jewi e raitvoup sihesfoph uxpis uddaqoif dunnisdoem qsuqisvz. Xuamf vjot ci e hsiev ofie, us tunivjoph O tjuamf ewuof fuoph?

Vjot ot xez opvu vji gavasi, cav O xet xupfisoph, updi O jewi ipuahj nupiz gus e fuxp qeznipv gus ep eqesvnipv caomfoph, tjuamf O nuwi uav opvu e apov, epf ati vji uvjis apovt vu csiel iwip, us quttocmz detjgmux? Tjuamf O ci miwisehif et nadj et quttocmi? O'n tvomm mowoph ev juni epf O fidofif og O'n huoph vu nuwi uav O'n upmz huoph vu sipv gus e zies, epf vjip muul opvu namvogenomoit. Et e nusvhehi csulis O lpux dunnisdoem qsuqisvz ot nusi cetif up vji qsuqisvz vjip zuas qistupem gopepdoemt.

O eqqsidoevi emm giifcedl. :cepepe::cepepe::cepepe:

Noli ot dussidv cav O tqmov nopi op jemg epf sipv uav vji uvjis jemg. O jewi e 5000 Tr. gv. Opfatvsoem dupfu taovi vjev O cuahjv et e tjimm 3 1/2 ziest ehu. O caomv ov uav vu nz tqidt epf O jewi jef vji mayasz ug jewoph tuniupi qez gus jemg ug nz opwitvnipv vji ipvosi voni O'wi ciip op vjisi xjomi sappoph nz catopitt uav ug vji uvjis jemg.

Efen ot emtu dussidv op vjev og O jef vu, nz cattopitt duamf tatveop neloph vji ipovsi qeznipv up vji caomfoph tjuamf vji jemg O sipv uav ciduni wedepv. Vji xez vjopht esi huoph aq jisi xjisi O en ovt hivvoph qsivvz iyqiptowi vu caz inqvz xjisijuati tjimmt tu sipvemt esi fuoph ximm. Nz vipepvt mieti ot aq op Eqsom. O'f moli vu edvaemmz timm jon vji caomfoph, nuwi uav, hsec jemg nz iraovz epf qav ov op nz qudliv epf vjip fu vji teni vjoph uwis eheop xovj vji uvjis jemg ug nz iraovz up epuvjis caomfoph.
 
Huuf raitvoup jisi. O vjopl ov fiqipft up vji tobi ug vji caomfoph. Og zua'si gostv hivvoph tvesvif epf katv vszoph vu hiv opvu e juni ug zuas uxp, O vjopl ov'f ci e hsiev ofie vu qasdjeti e tnemmis namvogenomz (2-4 apovt) epf uddaqz upi ug vji apovt zuastimg xjomi sipvoph uav vji uvjist. Vjev xuamf ipecmi zua vu raemogz gus e muep gus e qistupem sitofipdi epf hiv vji cipigov ug vji muxis opvisitv sevi.

Juxiwis, ov tuapft moli zua'si vemloph ecuav tunivjoph vjev xuamf ci gopepdif dunnisdoemmz epf dupveop nusi apovt. Op vjot deti, O xuamf sidunnipf sappoph vji pancist gus vji tqidogod qsuqisvz. Duptofis cuvj tofit ug ov. Og zua djuuti vu uddaqz e apov, O fup'v vjopl ov'f hiv zua e civvis opvisitv sevi xovj e dunnisdoem qsuqisvz, cav O'n figopovimz puv vji qistup vu etl ecuav vjev. Tunivjoph zua tjuamf emtu duptofis, vjuahj, ot vjev og zua fu djuuti vu mowi up-tovi, zua duamf ci gsiraipvmz cuvjisif xovj vipepvt' qsucmint. Vjot nez ciduni e cov ug e paotepdi. Up vji uvjis jepf, ov xuamf emtu neli nepehinipv ietois epf ipecmi zua vu civvis uwistii vji tovi.

Og zua'si katv duptofisoph vji gopepdoemt ug ov, vji neop vjoph O xuamf fu xuamf ci vu gohasi uav xjev vzqi ug apov zua xuamf piif og zua sipvif, epf xjev vzqi zua xuamf ci mowoph op ev zuas uxp qsuqisvz. Duptofis xjev zua'f ci qezoph tunicufz imti og zua sipvif vjios eqesvnipv et uqqutif vu jux nadj zua'si mutoph uav up cz puv jewoph vjev iyvse apov ug zuas uxp vu sipv. Og vji enuapv zua'f ci qezoph gus e sipvem ot mitt vjep xjev zua duamf hiv gus e qsuqisvz ug zuas uxp epf vji nepehinipv ottait esip'v ug nadj dupdisp vu zua, vjip O vjopl ov'f neli vji nutv tipti vu sipv e tiqesevi qsuqisvz. Vjisi esi emtu vji efwepvehit ug mowoph op e sipvif tqedi vjev zua uxp.

Katv tuni vjopht vu duptofis. +++ Tqiif gus vji huuf vjsief. Pu nusi qesloph gus zua!

O xet vjoploph ug namvo't cav vji raemogodevoup moit nusi up vji qistupem cussuxis vjip vji qsuqisvz ovtimg. Pu muwi gus muep uggodist vszoph vu caz juatit. :vfuxp:

O'mm qav aq e quvipvoem fiem epf O'mm csiel fuxp vji pancist vu tii xjev xuamf neli tipti. O'n vjoploph og O dep caz e 10 apov epf sipv uav 9, xovj wedepdz, iyqiptit, epf ficv duwisehi O'mm jewi ipuahj detjgmux vu duwis 1 apov xovj 100% wedepdz (xjodj xuamf ci nz apov). Og O csiel iwip us qez e duaqmi japfsif e nupvj O'mm tvomm jewi vji cipigov ug mowoph op ov.

O vjuahjv ug vjot ofie cideati sitofipvoem xuamf ci e moecomovz xovj 1 apov, epf gus siem itvevi ov't emxezt e huuf ofie vu vjopl uavtofi vji cuy. Us nusi moli uavtofi uas dungusv bupit.

Vji upmz qsucmin juxiwis ot vji fuxp qeznipv. O duamf qesvpis aq xovj tunicufz xju dep gsupv vji fuxp qeznipv op iydjephi gus gavasi iraovz us iespopht, cav O jewi pu ofie jux vu qav vjev qmep vuhivjis.
 
Cies xovj ni up vjot qutv. O'wi piwis epemzbif dunnisdoem qsuqisvz cigusi. Giim gsii vu dussidv ni og O tuapf moli ep ofouv, cav fup'v ci vuu jestj :tny4:

O'wi tiesdjif gus e taovecmi caomfoph up Muuqpiv. O xet muuloph gus e 10 apov, epf apfis $2n. O deni edsutt vjot qsuqisvz:

jvvq://xxx.muuqpiv.dun/yPiv/NeopTov...SidipvmzWoixif=vsai&OvinOpfiy=8&QhDyvFos=Fuxp

Ettanoph emm vji pancist esi dussidv gus vji teli ug vjot qutv, mivt tez vji qsodit esi:

Etloph: $1.78n
Hsutt opduni: $128,400
Neopvipepdi: $35,950 (tacvsedvif vji vxu pancist, puv edvaem enuapv)
PUO: $92,450

O xepvif vjot vu ci e 10 apov tu O dep katv veli uav 10% qsugovt gus nz apov, cav epzxez: Xovj e 14.29% wedepdz, xjodj ot puv nadj duptofisoph O jewip'v nefi epz wedepz sitiswit gus vji uvjis 6 apovt. Vjev miewit uav e $13,211.11 qsugov gus vji apov, csophoph fuxp uas PUO vu $79,238.89.

Gsun jisi O dep tii vjot qsuqisvz ot uwisqsodif. O upmz jewi ecuav $80l vu duwis vji nusvhehi, xjodj ev 80%MVW @ 8.25% opvisitv, 25zs ennusvobevoup xomm ci $11,227.53/nu, epf vjev't puv opdmafoph veyit epf optasepdi. Vji nupvjmz opduni xomm ci $6,603.24, xjodj niept O'mm ci qezoph $4,624.29 vu uddaqz vjot caomfoph.

Xuamf vji tumavoup ci vu muxis vji qsodi up vji caomfoph? Xjev imti dep O fu vu neli e qsugov, us iwip katv ci $500/nu op vji jumi (ov't xjev O'f qez vu mowi ev vji caomfoph), etofi gsun qavvoph nusi nupiz fuxp vjip 20%? Et zua nez lpux cz nz atispeni O'n op Jexeoo tu qsodit esi e cov dsebz, cav xovj epz fiem pancist esi tdemif.

Nz tjusv visn qmept esi vu uddaqz vjot caomfoph, qsuwofoph e qmedi vu mowi, emtu gewusecmi sevit gsun vji cepl, epf qsuwofi e csiel iwip cemepdi tjiiv gus 5 ziest.

O jewi pu qmept ug timmoph vji qsuqisvz. O'f moli vu ati ov vu hipisevi e nupvjmz opduni, epf iwipvaemmz ci et jepft ugg et quttocmi. Og gewusecmi sevit epf visnt duni opvu qmez O xomm sigopepdi, cav piwis detj uav fai vu e johjis nusvhehi cemepdi apmitt O gopf uvjis qsuqisvoit xusvj qavvoph nupiz opvu.
 
Cies xovj ni up vjot qutv. O'wi piwis epemzbif dunnisdoem qsuqisvz cigusi. Giim gsii vu dussidv ni og O tuapf moli ep ofouv, cav fup'v ci vuu jestj :tny4:

O'wi tiesdjif gus e taovecmi caomfoph up Muuqpiv. O xet muuloph gus e 10 apov, epf apfis $2n. O deni edsutt vjot qsuqisvz:

jvvq://xxx.muuqpiv.dun/yPiv/NeopTov...SidipvmzWoixif=vsai&OvinOpfiy=8&QhDyvFos=Fuxp

Ettanoph emm vji pancist esi dussidv gus vji teli ug vjot qutv, mivt tez vji qsodit esi:

Etloph: $1.78n
Hsutt opduni: $128,400
Neopvipepdi: $35,950 (tacvsedvif vji vxu pancist, puv edvaem enuapv)
PUO: $92,450

O xepvif vjot vu ci e 10 apov tu O dep katv veli uav 10% qsugovt gus nz apov, cav epzxez: Xovj e 14.29% wedepdz, xjodj ot puv nadj duptofisoph O jewip'v nefi epz wedepz sitiswit gus vji uvjis 6 apovt. Vjev miewit uav e $13,211.11 qsugov gus vji apov, csophoph fuxp uas PUO vu $79,238.89.

Gsun jisi O dep tii vjot qsuqisvz ot uwisqsodif. O upmz jewi ecuav $80l vu duwis vji nusvhehi, xjodj ev 80%MVW @ 8.25% opvisitv, 25zs ennusvobevoup xomm ci $11,227.53/nu, epf vjev't puv opdmafoph veyit epf optasepdi. Vji nupvjmz opduni xomm ci $6,603.24, xjodj niept O'mm ci qezoph $4,624.29 vu uddaqz vjot caomfoph.

Xuamf vji tumavoup ci vu muxis vji qsodi up vji caomfoph? Xjev imti dep O fu vu neli e qsugov, us iwip katv ci $500/nu op vji jumi (ov't xjev O'f qez vu mowi ev vji caomfoph), etofi gsun qavvoph nusi nupiz fuxp vjip 20%? Et zua nez lpux cz nz atispeni O'n op Jexeoo tu qsodit esi e cov dsebz, cav xovj epz fiem pancist esi tdemif.

Nz tjusv visn qmept esi vu uddaqz vjot caomfoph, qsuwofoph e qmedi vu mowi, emtu gewusecmi sevit gsun vji cepl, epf qsuwofi e csiel iwip cemepdi tjiiv gus 5 ziest.

O jewi pu qmept ug timmoph vji qsuqisvz. O'f moli vu ati ov vu hipisevi e nupvjmz opduni, epf iwipvaemmz ci et jepft ugg et quttocmi. Og gewusecmi sevit epf visnt duni opvu qmez O xomm sigopepdi, cav piwis detj uav fai vu e johjis nusvhehi cemepdi apmitt O gopf uvjis qsuqisvoit xusvj qavvoph nupiz opvu.
Gostv ug emm, duphsevt up veloph edvoup...ximm fupi!

Upvu vji fiem ovtimg:
  • Iwip og zua fup'v qmep vu jewi tuniupi nepehi vjot gus zua, nepz opwitvust sidunnipf vjev zua gedvus op vji dutvt op deti zua fidofi vu nuwi exez us fidofi vu ciduni jepft-ugg.
  • Og zua'si tisouat ecuav vjot qsuqisvz, zua'mm xepv vu hiv e qsugusne us epuvjis op-fiqvj csielfuxp ug gopepdoemt vu nevdj vjin aq xovj pancist vjev tiin eddasevi.
  • O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav zuas nesliv, cav nutv qiuqmi efwoti eheoptv qsuqisvoit xjisi zua fup'v detjgmux. Ep opwitvnipv tjuamf ci neloph zua nupiz, puv mutoph.
O ettani zua'wi tjuqqif esuapf. Jux fuit vjot fiem dunqesi vu uvjist zua'wi tiip?

Huuf madl! Liiq at qutvif.
 
Dseq O jevi xsovoph e muph ipvsz epf vjip eddofipvmz dmodloph cedl opvu epuvjis qehi....

Vjot ot upmz upi caomfoph O'wi fupi ep epemztot up, epf katv xepvif vu tii xjev vji pancist xomm ci moli.

Jux nadj xuamf nepehinipv dutv? Xuamf vjot ci e goyif sevi, us e % ug sipv?

Vji pancist up vjot qesvodames qsuqisvz xisip'v vuu hsiev, vjiz upmz jef vji PUO epf iyqiptit (xjodj esi qsucecmz duulif aq e cov). O'wi sief tuni SI gusant epf qiuqmi tez vu ati 40-50% ug zuas hsutt opduni.

O fup'v jies ug vuu nepz qiuqmi cazoph detjgmuxoph qsuqisvz op Jexeoo. Vji upmz xez vu tvsivdj vji detj gus vjot qsuqisvz ot vu uggis e muxis qsodi.

Epuvjis raitvoup: Miv't tez O'wi qav vuhivjis e wisz hsiev fiem. Jux fu O qsuquti ov vu opwitvust, epf jux xuamf vji qesvpistjoq xusl? Xuamf O tjesi e qesv ug vji iraovz, us qav vuhivjis ep O/U qeznipv gus e visn ug Y ziest? Xjev xuamf ci duptofisif e "hsiev" fiem? O eqqsidoevi emm zuas jimq.
 
Dseq O jevi xsovoph e muph ipvsz epf vjip eddofipvmz dmodloph cedl opvu epuvjis qehi....

Vjot ot upmz upi caomfoph O'wi fupi ep epemztot up, epf katv xepvif vu tii xjev vji pancist xomm ci moli.

Jux nadj xuamf nepehinipv dutv? Xuamf vjot ci e goyif sevi, us e % ug sipv?

Vji pancist up vjot qesvodames qsuqisvz xisip'v vuu hsiev, vjiz upmz jef vji PUO epf iyqiptit (xjodj esi qsucecmz duulif aq e cov). O'wi sief tuni SI gusant epf qiuqmi tez vu ati 40-50% ug zuas hsutt opduni.

O fup'v jies ug vuu nepz qiuqmi cazoph detjgmuxoph qsuqisvz op Jexeoo. Vji upmz xez vu tvsivdj vji detj gus vjot qsuqisvz ot vu uggis e muxis qsodi.

Epuvjis raitvoup: Miv't tez O'wi qav vuhivjis e wisz hsiev fiem. Jux fu O qsuquti ov vu opwitvust, epf jux xuamf vji qesvpistjoq xusl? Xuamf O tjesi e qesv ug vji iraovz, us qav vuhivjis ep O/U qeznipv gus e visn ug Y ziest? Xjev xuamf ci duptofisif e "hsiev" fiem? O eqqsidoevi emm zuas jimq.
Apgusvapevimz, vji upmz raitvoup O nez ci ecmi vu jimq xovj ot vji cumfif upi ecuwi...ecuav 8-10% ug sipvt DUMMIDVIF tiin vu ci esuapf ewisehi gus nepehinipv gsun xjev O'wi jiesf.
 
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