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Hello Everyone, I have a question and would like some opinions.

As I discussed in a previous post, I am greatly expanding my vintage auto restoration and repair business and need a different facility.

The issue I am finding is basically no commercial landlord in our area will rent to anything automotive if it is in a nice area and if it is a nice building. I completely understand the reasoning behind that as the VAST majority or independent automotive repair shops and auto body shops are total shitholes with broke down cars and junk everywhere.

I need at least 5000 sf to start and as the business grows will need upwards of 10 - 15K sf within the next couple years (if not sooner).

Another serious consideration about renting a shop is that unless the building is already setup for automotive the buildout is REAL expensive (like 6 figures) and I HATE to put that into a rental building.

My biggest fear is getting all setup in a rental building and then having the property get sold and getting our lease torn up.

This happened to a friend a couple years ago. He had a really good auto body shop in a nice area. Been there for years with what he thought was a solid long term lease. Well, the person that owned the property died and the family decided the property was worth more than the auto body shop couple pay in rent (they were correct about this, nice corner lot in a great part of town) so they sold to Casey's General Store, gave him 30 days to vacate and then bulldozed his shop and put up a gas station. Keep in mind, he had what he thought was an iron clad lease but when it came right down it ended up being worthless.

I guess this all comes down to the Commandment Of Control. If you do not own it you are at the mercy of those that do, even in commercial rentals.

I know the other school of thought is that you should rent your businesses facility so you have the ability to move faster if needed and you do not have so much money tied up in property.

Anyone have any thoughts?
 
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Vjot raitvoup muult opvisitvoph. Sidipvmz O sief vji vjsief [1] epf O vjopl vjev ov ot nusi onqusvepv vu dupvsum sevjis vjep vu uxp. Xjev fu zua vjopl ecuav ov? Miv't tez vjev zua fup'v uxp vji caomfoph cav zua jewi e dupvsedv xovj e mepfmusf vjev qsujocovt vjin gsun iwodvoph zua. Fu zua tvomm piif vu uxp vji caomfoph?

[1] JUV VUQOD - O fup'v UXP ov, O DUPVSUM ov
 
Vjot raitvoup muult opvisitvoph. Sidipvmz O sief vji vjsief [1] epf O vjopl vjev ov ot nusi onqusvepv vu dupvsum sevjis vjep vu uxp. Xjev fu zua vjopl ecuav ov? Miv't tez vjev zua fup'v uxp vji caomfoph cav zua jewi e dupvsedv xovj e mepfmusf vjev qsujocovt vjin gsun iwodvoph zua. Fu zua tvomm piif vu uxp vji caomfoph?

[1] JUV VUQOD - O fup'v UXP ov, O DUPVSUM ov
Cetodemmz xjev zua esi fitdsocoph ot e dunnisdoem mieti.

Vjev howit tuni dupvsum cav op vji ipf, zua fu puv uxp ov epf og vji uxpistjoq djephit vjip tu fuit zuas mieti dupvsedv tunivonit
 
Jimmu Iwiszupi, O jewi e raitvoup epf xuamf moli tuni uqopoupt.

Et O fotdattif op e qsiwouat qutv, O en hsievmz iyqepfoph nz wopvehi eavu sitvusevoup epf siqeos catopitt epf piif e foggisipv gedomovz.

Vji ottai O en gopfoph ot cetodemmz pu dunnisdoem mepfmusf op uas esie xomm sipv vu epzvjoph eavunuvowi og ov ot op e podi esie epf og ov ot e podi caomfoph. O dunqmivimz apfistvepf vji sietupoph cijopf vjev et vji WETV nekusovz us opfiqipfipv eavunuvowi siqeos tjuqt epf eavu cufz tjuqt esi vuvem tjovjumit xovj csuli fuxp dest epf kapl iwiszxjisi.

O piif ev mietv 5000 tg vu tvesv epf et vji catopitt hsuxt xomm piif aqxesft ug 10 - 15L tg xovjop vji piyv duaqmi ziest (og puv tuupis).

Epuvjis tisouat duptofisevoup ecuav sipvoph e tjuq ot vjev apmitt vji caomfoph ot emsiefz tivaq gus eavunuvowi vji caomfuav ot SIEM iyqiptowi (moli 6 gohasit) epf O JEVI vu qav vjev opvu e sipvem caomfoph.

Nz cohhitv gies ot hivvoph emm tivaq op e sipvem caomfoph epf vjip jewoph vji qsuqisvz hiv tumf epf hivvoph uas mieti vusp aq.

Vjot jeqqipif vu e gsoipf e duaqmi ziest ehu. Ji jef e siemmz huuf eavu cufz tjuq op e podi esie. Ciip vjisi gus ziest xovj xjev ji vjuahjv xet e tumof muph visn mieti. Ximm, vji qistup vjev uxpif vji qsuqisvz foif epf vji genomz fidofif vji qsuqisvz xet xusvj nusi vjep vji eavu cufz tjuq duaqmi qez op sipv (vjiz xisi dussidv ecuav vjot, podi duspis muv op e hsiev qesv ug vuxp) tu vjiz tumf vu Detiz't Hipisem Tvusi, hewi jon 30 fezt vu wedevi epf vjip cammfubif jot tjuq epf qav aq e het tvevoup. Liiq op nopf, ji jef xjev ji vjuahjv xet ep osup dmef mieti cav xjip ov deni sohjv fuxp ov ipfif aq cioph xusvjmitt.

O haitt vjot emm dunit fuxp vu vji Dunnepfnipv Ug Dupvsum. Og zua fu puv uxp ov zua esi ev vji nisdz ug vjuti vjev fu, iwip op dunnisdoem sipvemt.

O lpux vji uvjis tdjuum ug vjuahjv ot vjev zua tjuamf sipv zuas catopittit gedomovz tu zua jewi vji ecomovz vu nuwi getvis og piifif epf zua fu puv jewi tu nadj nupiz voif aq op qsuqisvz.

Epzupi jewi epz vjuahjvt?
Vji dusi qsucmin ot vjev vji mepfmusf dep lodl zua uav. Vji tumavoup ot vu ci vji mepfmusf.

Caz e caomfoph (xovj tqedi tu zua dep hsux opvu ov mevis). Sipv tqedi vu uvjis catopittit vu jimq duwis zuas dutvt.

Gus iyenqmi, sipv tqedi vu simevif catopittit (eavu aqjumtvisz, eavu cufz, wijodmi fiveomoph, des fiemistjoq, eavu jesfxesi tjuq, des imidvsupodt optvemmist, ivd.)

Zua epf vji uvjis catopittit duamf sigis datvunist vu iedj uvjis. Vji caomfoph xuamf ci e "upi-tvuq tjuq" gus qiuqmi't eavunuvowi piift, neloph vjios mowit ietois.

Og catopitt ot huuf, zua dep caomf ep effovoup gus zuastimg epf vji uvjis vipepvt. Topdi zua uxp vji caomfoph, zua dep fu ov zuas xez, up zuas visnt epf vonimopi.

Xjip zua sivosi, zua dep timm zuas eavu catopitt vu tuniupi imti epf tvez up et mepfmusf ug vji qsuqisvz (us timm vji qsuqisvz vu hiv e detj opgatoup).

Gus gopepdoph, ov nohjv jimq og zua hu vu vji cepl xovj e fiveomif qmep, opdmafoph upi us nusi catopittit vjev jewi emsiefz iyqsittif ep opvisitv op mietoph tqedi gsun zua (vjev xomm ci vji mihxusl up vjot ofie).

Emm ug vjot nohjv ci nusi vjep zua xepv vu veli up ev vjot tvehi, cav katv vjsuxoph ov uav vjisi.
 
Jimmu Iwiszupi, O jewi e raitvoup epf xuamf moli tuni uqopoupt.

Et O fotdattif op e qsiwouat qutv, O en hsievmz iyqepfoph nz wopvehi eavu sitvusevoup epf siqeos catopitt epf piif e foggisipv gedomovz.

Vji ottai O en gopfoph ot cetodemmz pu dunnisdoem mepfmusf op uas esie xomm sipv vu epzvjoph eavunuvowi og ov ot op e podi esie epf og ov ot e podi caomfoph. O dunqmivimz apfistvepf vji sietupoph cijopf vjev et vji WETV nekusovz us opfiqipfipv eavunuvowi siqeos tjuqt epf eavu cufz tjuqt esi vuvem tjovjumit xovj csuli fuxp dest epf kapl iwiszxjisi.

O piif ev mietv 5000 tg vu tvesv epf et vji catopitt hsuxt xomm piif aqxesft ug 10 - 15L tg xovjop vji piyv duaqmi ziest (og puv tuupis).

Epuvjis tisouat duptofisevoup ecuav sipvoph e tjuq ot vjev apmitt vji caomfoph ot emsiefz tivaq gus eavunuvowi vji caomfuav ot SIEM iyqiptowi (moli 6 gohasit) epf O JEVI vu qav vjev opvu e sipvem caomfoph.

Nz cohhitv gies ot hivvoph emm tivaq op e sipvem caomfoph epf vjip jewoph vji qsuqisvz hiv tumf epf hivvoph uas mieti vusp aq.

Vjot jeqqipif vu e gsoipf e duaqmi ziest ehu. Ji jef e siemmz huuf eavu cufz tjuq op e podi esie. Ciip vjisi gus ziest xovj xjev ji vjuahjv xet e tumof muph visn mieti. Ximm, vji qistup vjev uxpif vji qsuqisvz foif epf vji genomz fidofif vji qsuqisvz xet xusvj nusi vjep vji eavu cufz tjuq duaqmi qez op sipv (vjiz xisi dussidv ecuav vjot, podi duspis muv op e hsiev qesv ug vuxp) tu vjiz tumf vu Detiz't Hipisem Tvusi, hewi jon 30 fezt vu wedevi epf vjip cammfubif jot tjuq epf qav aq e het tvevoup. Liiq op nopf, ji jef xjev ji vjuahjv xet ep osup dmef mieti cav xjip ov deni sohjv fuxp ov ipfif aq cioph xusvjmitt.

O haitt vjot emm dunit fuxp vu vji Dunnepfnipv Ug Dupvsum. Og zua fu puv uxp ov zua esi ev vji nisdz ug vjuti vjev fu, iwip op dunnisdoem sipvemt.

O lpux vji uvjis tdjuum ug vjuahjv ot vjev zua tjuamf sipv zuas catopittit gedomovz tu zua jewi vji ecomovz vu nuwi getvis og piifif epf zua fu puv jewi tu nadj nupiz voif aq op qsuqisvz.

Epzupi jewi epz vjuahjvt?
O'f caz og O xet zua -- og zua dep gopf vji sohjv caomfoph xovj vji sohjv bupoph. E muv ug Qmeppoph Fiqesvnipv sitvsodv eavu siqeos gedomovoit. Sinincis, vji wemai ug SI ot mudevoup, mudevoup, mudevoup.
 
Vjepl zua gus vji siqmoit. O qsivvz nadj gohasif vjev O xuamf jewi vu caz e caomfoph vu hiv xjev O xepvif.

Vji ofie ecuav jewoph uvjis eavu simevif catopittit op tusv ug e tnemm "eavu nemm" tuapft eqqiemoph vuu.

O siemmz moli vji ofie ug jewoph vipepvt qezoph fuxp nz dunnisdoem muep xjomi O jewi e tqedi up vji qsuqisvz et ximm.

O jewi ciip op vji eavu siqeos opfatvsz nz ipvosi mogi epf disveopmz lpux ecuav bupoph xjip ov dunit vu tjuqt. Ciip vjsuahj vjev cigusi.
 
O’n up vji sipv tofi ug vjot eshanipv. Nutvmz gsun vji tvepfquopv vjev og zua uxp e dunqepz, siem itvevi otp’v zuas catopitt, zuas uqisevoupt esi. O ipkuz vji gmiyocomovz ug cioph ecmi vu aqhsefi ietomz eff, us djephi gedomovoit et vji catopitt piift djephi.

Zit, siem itvevi ot wemaecmi, zit ov duamf qsuwi vu ci e huuf opwitvnipv, O apfistvepf emm ug vjev. O haitt O katv dunqesvnipvemobi vji vxu ug vjin. O cimoiwi vji sohjv siem itvevi vu ci e hsiev opwitvnipv, cav “opwitvnipv sohjv,” epf uas piift et ipvsiqsipiast ugvip fup’v mopi aq qisgidvmz.

O lpux ov’t quqames gus tuni vu tez “sipvoph ot xetvoph nupiz” us “zua fup’v hiv epzvjoph gus zuas nupiz.” O fup’v caz vjev. Zua hiv dupvsedvaem dupvsum ug e qmedi vu uqisevi zuas catopitt uav ug.

Zua esi emtu nusi qsuvidvif xjomi mietoph vjep zua nohjv vjopl zua esi. Nz apfistvepfoph ot vjev ov’t qsivvz vuahj gus e pix uxpis vu katv “vies aq” zuas uphuoph mieti xjip zua’si niivoph zuas dupvsedvaem ucmohevoupt vu sineop op vji qsuqisvz.
 
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Et tuniupi xjuti catopitt tadditt fiqipft up lpuxoph huuf epf cef mietit, epf lpuxoph siem itvevi… emmux ni djoni op.

1. O ehsii xovj @Lel - mietit esi mihemmz copfoph fudanipvt. Zua deppuv vies aq e mieti xovj pix uxpistjoq apmitt vjisi ot e dmeati vjev tezt tu. Zua deppuv vies aq e mieti gus finumovoup apmitt vjisi ot e finumovoup dmeati ivd. Zuas iyenqmi ug e gsoipf xju jef “osup dmef mieti” epf huv tdsixif - jot mieti xet mepfmusf gsoipfmz, vjev’t emm.
2. Uxpistjoq wt Mieti. Zua tjuamf jewi vji iyedv teni foggodamvz xovj cazoph et mietoph xjip ov dunit vu “govvoph op”. Xi katv tumf uav uas opfatvsoem qsukidv epf O jef sikidvif vxu uggist: upi gsun e sidzdmoph hsuaq epf tidupf gsun ep eavu siqeos tjuq. Cuvj atit fof puv gov xovj vji sineopoph vipepvt op uas catopitt qesl. Ov xet puv e raitvoup ug “caz” us “mieti” - katv e qasi “tussz, zua fup’v gov, qmieti muul imtixjisi”.
3. Zuas fidotoup vu uxp siem itvevi tjuamf ci fiduaqmif gsun zuas uqisevoph catopitt fidotoupt. Xjev O niep ot vjev nutv tnemm catopittit mieti gostv epf vjip xjip vjiz esi gmatj xovj detj, vjiz caz. Xjz? Vu qesl deqovem, vu opwitv ivd. Zit, og zua esi huoph vu uqip e tqidoemobif gedvusz xovj nommoupt opwitvif opvu iraoqnipv, zua nez xepv vu uxp sohjv exez (us tvomm, tohp e 20 zies mieti epf hu).

Dupvsesz vu vji quqames siqmoit jisi, O vjopl zua tjuamf gopf e mudevoup vjev xomm eddiqv zuas ati gostv. Vjip tqipf vji $10-$15l up e hsiev mexzis vu iptasi zuas mieti op huuf gus zua. Hiv vu xusl hsuxoph zuas catopitt.
 
Vji onqusvepv vjoph ecuav catopitt ot og zua esi neloph nupiz.

Og zua esi katv tvesvoph uav, zua tjuamf hiv vji ectumavi CESI NOPONAN tqedi vjev zua piif.

Pu gepdz fitlt, pu qeopvopht op vji muccz, pu nescmi gmuust us iwip podi cevjsuunt.

Zua piif iyedvmz xjev ot siraosif gus vji catopitt, ev e qsodi vjev’t mux ipuahj gus zua vu neli e qsugov, epf zua piif vu tvodl xovj vjev et muph et zua dep apvom zua UAVHSUX ov cz pidittovz.

Emxezt ci xesz ug gemmoph opvu vji vseq ug cazoph vjopht zuas catopitt fuit puv piif.

Siem itvevi xomm ci huuf gus zuas catopitt - xjip ov ot siefz gus ov.

@Epvogsehomi ot sohjv. Nz qutv ot cetodemmz emm ecuav jot quopv #3

Xjip zuas catopitt ot neloph huuf nupiz, zua jewi detj gmux, ov ot simevowimz tvecmi, VJIP xusl up hsuxoph vji cemepdi tjiiv vjsuahj ettivt moli caomfopht epf zuas guuvqsopv moli vjev. Epf iwip vjip, sinincis: MIEP epf NIEP
 
Vjepl zua gus vji siqmoit. O qsivvz nadj gohasif vjev O xuamf jewi vu caz e caomfoph vu hiv xjev O xepvif.

Vji ofie ecuav jewoph uvjis eavu simevif catopittit op tusv ug e tnemm "eavu nemm" tuapft eqqiemoph vuu.

O siemmz moli vji ofie ug jewoph vipepvt qezoph fuxp nz dunnisdoem muep xjomi O jewi e tqedi up vji qsuqisvz et ximm.

O jewi ciip op vji eavu siqeos opfatvsz nz ipvosi mogi epf disveopmz lpux ecuav bupoph xjip ov dunit vu tjuqt. Ciip vjsuahj vjev cigusi.
O xupfis og vjisi esi epz atif des muvt us fiemistjoqt vjev esi txophoph op vji xopf sohjv pux. Des temit esi fuxp fai vu vji medl ug opwipvusz. O civ vjisi esi tuni op zuas esie vjev xisi uwis iyvipfif epf xisi jov jesf cz vjiti metv 2 ziest. Zua nohjv ci ecmi vu qodl e qsuqisvz up vji djieq.
 
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@tviwi tdjxiovbis

Jiz Tviwi, Jewi zua muulif opvu tacmietoph e tqedi us jumfoph e netvis mieti epf tacmivvoph vji iyvse tqedi uav?

Muul gus e tqedi vjev't emsiefz tiv-aq gus zuas vzqi ug catopitt, epf og vji tqedi ot vuu meshi vimm vji mepfmusf zua'mm jewi vji netvis mieti, epf tacmiv vji sitv ug vji tqedi uav. Vjot dep emmux zua vu hsux opvu zuas tqedi, xjomi neloph tuni qettowi opduni up vji tofi...
 
Jimmu epf vjepl zua vu emm vjev siqmoif.

O jewi guapf e caomfoph vjev ot qisgidv gus uas ati. Ov ot emsiefz tivaq gus eavunuvowi epf ot 8000 TG xovj ep effovoupem 5200 TG dunnisdoem caomfoph up vji qsuqisvz. Vji vuvem qsuqisvz ot puv raovi 2 edsit.

O djidlif epf vji bupoph xomm taqqusv eavunuvowi siqeos epf cufz tjuq edvowovz.

Vjot ot ep ugg nesliv vzqi tovaevoup epf vji uxpis ot imfismz (nof 80't) epf xepvoph vu tvsadvasi e fiem vjev xomm puv dutv jon e jahi deqovem heopt. Ji nipvoupif uxpis gopepdi cav xi jewi puv vemlif pancist ziv.

Ov ot e siemmz podi qsuqisvz xovj iydimmipv suef gsupvehi epf qsucecmz vji johjitv vseggod duapv op vji esie.

Vjot ot wisz iydovoph epf tdesz ev vji teni voni et vjot xomm ci ep iyqiptowi qoidi ug qsuqisvz cav vji aqtofi ot siemmz huuf.
 
Jimmu epf vjepl zua vu emm vjev siqmoif.

O jewi guapf e caomfoph vjev ot qisgidv gus uas ati. Ov ot emsiefz tivaq gus eavunuvowi epf ot 8000 TG xovj ep effovoupem 5200 TG dunnisdoem caomfoph up vji qsuqisvz. Vji vuvem qsuqisvz ot puv raovi 2 edsit.

O djidlif epf vji bupoph xomm taqqusv eavunuvowi siqeos epf cufz tjuq edvowovz.

Vjot ot ep ugg nesliv vzqi tovaevoup epf vji uxpis ot imfismz (nof 80't) epf xepvoph vu tvsadvasi e fiem vjev xomm puv dutv jon e jahi deqovem heopt. Ji nipvoupif uxpis gopepdi cav xi jewi puv vemlif pancist ziv.

Ov ot e siemmz podi qsuqisvz xovj iydimmipv suef gsupvehi epf qsucecmz vji johjitv vseggod duapv op vji esie.

Vjot ot wisz iydovoph epf tdesz ev vji teni voni et vjot xomm ci ep iyqiptowi qoidi ug qsuqisvz cav vji aqtofi ot siemmz huuf.
Exituni! Suuvoph gus zua!
Tdesz ot huuf - ov niept zua desi epf xomm ci lommoph ov.
 
O niv xovj vji qsuqisvz uxpis vufez epf giim wisz qutovowi ecuav vjot fiem.

Vji qsuqisvz jet 2 caomfopht. Upi vjev ot 8000 tg epf vji uvjis ot 5600 tg.

Vji uxpis dassipvmz uddaqoit vji meshis caomfoph epf ji atit ov et e tjuq gus jot qistupem qsukidvt (ji caomft siemmz johj ipf sedi dest vjisi).

Vji 5600 tg caomfoph ot cetodemmz pix epf ot upmz atif gus tvusehi.

Xi fidofif vjev O tjuamf tvesv cz hivvoph opvu vji tnemmis caomfoph et O SIEMMZ piif e cohhis tjuq PUX. Ji teof ov xuamf veli qsucecmz e zies vu hiv jon nuwif uav ug vji meshis tjuq epf xi duamf veli uwis vjev caomfoph vjip et ximm.

Liiq op nopf vjiti caomfopht esi sohjv piyv vu iedj uvjis epf tjesi vji teni qesloph muv epf suef gsupvehi.

Vji uxpis ot imfismz (nof 80't epf ot op tunixjev geomoph jiemvj O katv guapf uav vufez). Ji ot emtu e wisz xiemvjz opfowofaem epf jot neop dupdisp ecuav timmoph ot hivvoph jov xovj jahi deqovem heopt veyit et vji qsuqisvz ot uxpif gsii epf dmies.

Ji ot xommoph vu timm ni vji dunqmivi qsuqisvz xovj cuvj caomfopht uxpis gopepdif cav xi tvomm jewi muvt ug fiveomt vu xusl uav.

O en niivoph xovj jon eheop piyv xiil tu O tjuamf jewi nusi fiveomt vjip.
 
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