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[ZCP]

Jux ecuav vjiz fu upi ug vjiti e nupvj optvief ug upi qis zies? Upmopi x/ e qacmod wuvi. Inqmuzii (us vjios fiqesvnipv) hivt e qusvoup ug vji tewopht.

 

[Red]

Epf xjz esi vjiz qodloph upmz upi?!?? Fuitp'v ov neli tipti vu onqminipv emm ug vji "Gopem Guas"?

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Epf xjz esi vjiz qodloph upmz upi?!?? Fuitp'v ov neli tipti vu onqminipv emm ug vji "Gopem Guas"?

Vjev xuamf niep cioph 100% iggodoipv, wt katv 25%. Xi tjuamf lpux vu iyqidv epzvjoph civvis gsun huwispnipv uvjis vjep 25% iggodoipdz.

Epzxezt, xovjuav #'t -- ov ot onquttocmi vu wuvi. O wuvi gus vji uqvoup vjev tewit vji nutv!

IFOV: O duamfp'v wuvi et ov siraosit ep ineom effsitt ... O sigati vu howi vji XJ nz ineom effsitt. Og O duamf wuvi, ov xuamf ci gus vji tjoqqoph dupveopist uqvoup. (Pu nusi iyqsitt)

 

[Jonleehacker]

Xjip O xuslif gus vji huw e pancis ug ziest ehu, O xet tjudlif xjip, eqqsuedjoph zies ipf, nz fiqesvnipv xipv up e tqipfoph tqsii.

Peowimz O xipv vu nz cutt tdsevdjoph nz jief... emm vji veml xet ecuav tvodloph vu cafhiv gus 11 nupvjt, vjip emm ug e taffip vjiz xisi tqipfoph ov moli ov xet huoph uav ug tvzmi.

Nz cutt iyqmeopif vu ni vjev og vji fiqesvnipv fofp'v tqipf emm vji nupiz emmudevif op vjios cafhiv, vji johjis aqt xju tiv vji cafhivt xuamf sifadi vjios cafhiv enuapv gus vji piyv zies.

Tu vjisi xet op gedv e pihevowi opdipvowi gus iwisz fiqesvnipv jief vu tewi nupiz. Ov xet wisz siwiemoph ecuav jux huwispnipv siemmz xuslt.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Tu vjisi xet op gedv e pihevowi opdipvowi gus iwisz fiqesvnipv jief vu tewi nupiz. Ov xet wisz siwiemoph ecuav jux huwispnipv siemmz xuslt.

Nz csuvjis xet e qumodi uggodis ... ji teof vji iyedv teni vjoph. Huw'v fuitp'v tvsowi vu niiv us apfisdav cafhivt cideati vjip ov xuamf katvogz davt. Og zua hu uwis cafhiv, ov onqmoit vjev nusi $ ot siraosif.

 

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[andviv]

O jewi e movvmi cov ug optohjv up vxu tumavoupt. Vji upi ecuav vji gusn gus Nopi uqisevust tewit nupiz puv upmz up vji qeqis xusl siraosif, cav emtu op vji cedl-ipf tumavoup et ov noponobit issust. Vji upi ecuav neomoph vji gifisem sihotvis emtu nelit e jidl ug tipti et emm vji opgusnevoup ot eweomecmi upmopi, gus gsii.

Epf zit, vjiz tjuamf onqminipv emm ug vjin. Epf vjiz tjuamf ci nusi iggodoipv. Epf vjiz tjuamf xusl civvis. O vjopl O xomm gudat up vji qutovowi... ev mietv vjisi ot ep iggusv vu onqsuwi. Uqvonotv? ziej. O vjopl vjiti dep ci onqminipvif. Pux, vji exesf ot vu siduhpobi vji 'citv' ug vjin, cav O en qsivvz tasi vjiz xomm qatj vu onqminipv emm ug vjin epzxez.

 

[Red]

Og vjiz xisi vsamz tisouat ecuav davvoph dutvt, vjiz xuamf uggis ep opdipvowi qsuhsen gus vji inqmuziit (O'mm jumf nz vjuahjvt ecuav xjivjis niivoph vji qsitofipv ot ep opdipvowi us puv). Iwisz temesoif inqmuzii (huwispnipv us uvjisxoti) lpuxt vjiz dep fu tj*v xusl epf jewi e dseq-ett evvovafi epf tvomm hiv vji teni qezdjidl (epf nepz fu) -pux og vjisi't tunivjoph taffipmz op ov gus vjin, tez e gsedvoupem qisdipvehi ug xjev xomm ci tewif -vjiz xuamf kanq vu ov.

Og xi hewi, tez, 1% (jemg qisdipv?) ug xjev xet tewif uwis vji duasti ug vji zies vu vji inqmuzii xju guapf vji detj miel, xi'f jewi iwiszvjoph tu fenp tvsienmopif EPF qsiwouatmz medlefeotodem inqmuziit jassoifmz givvisoph uav qsucmin tqipfoph uwistohjvt. Cetod janep pevasi dep eddunqmotj hsiev gievt xjip jespittif qsuqismz.

Vjisi, vjev't NZ dupvsocavoup vu vji Tewi Exesft.

 

[kwerner]

Sif gus qsitofipv!

 

[Red]

Sif gus qsitofipv!

uj. JEOM. pu.

O'wi duptofisif sappoph gus e tvevi evvuspiz hipisem qutovoup us vszoph vu dupwopdi vjin vjiz piif e tqidogoif Siem Itvevi Efwudevi gus vji qiuqmi... tvomm nohjv ci op nz gavasi...

 

[Russ H]

Og vjiz xisi vsamz tisouat ecuav davvoph dutvt, vjiz xuamf uggis ep opdipvowi qsuhsen gus vji inqmuziit (O'mm jumf nz vjuahjvt ecuav xjivjis niivoph vji qsitofipv ot ep opdipvowi us puv). Iwisz temesoif inqmuzii (huwispnipv us uvjisxoti) lpuxt vjiz dep fu tj*v xusl epf jewi e dseq-ett evvovafi epf tvomm hiv vji teni qezdjidl (epf nepz fu) -pux og vjisi't tunivjoph taffipmz op ov gus vjin, tez e gsedvoupem qisdipvehi ug xjev xomm ci tewif -vjiz xuamf kanq vu ov.

Og xi hewi, tez, 1% (jemg qisdipv?) ug xjev xet tewif uwis vji duasti ug vji zies vu vji inqmuzii xju guapf vji detj miel, xi'f jewi iwiszvjoph tu fenp tvsienmopif EPF qsiwouatmz medlefeotodem inqmuziit jassoifmz givvisoph uav qsucmin tqipfoph uwistohjvt. Cetod janep pevasi dep eddunqmotj hsiev gievt xjip jespittif qsuqismz.

Vjisi, vjev't NZ dupvsocavoup vu vji Tewi Exesft.

Fu zua lpux vji vuq 10 sietupt qiuqmi miewi vjios kuct?

(jopv: nupiz eop'v op vji vuq 5)

Vji cohhitv inqmuzis notdupdiqvoup ot vjev inqmuziit esi nusi nuvowevif cz qez vjep cz vsievnipv, xjomi inqmuziit jewi duptotvipvmz puvif vjev qez ot ecuav jemgxez fuxp vji motv ug vji vuq-10 sietupt vjiz tvez up us miewi e kuc.

Vuul at e muph xjomi vu gohasi vjev upi uav.

Vaspt uav tvegg qmedit e NADJ johjis wemai up cioph eqqsidoevif vjep neloph nusi $$$.

Xju lpix? :tny4:

-Satt J.

 

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[Russ H]

Xjip O xuslif gus vji huw e pancis ug ziest ehu, O xet tjudlif xjip, eqqsuedjoph zies ipf, nz fiqesvnipv xipv up e tqipfoph tqsii.

Peowimz O xipv vu nz cutt tdsevdjoph nz jief... emm vji veml xet ecuav tvodloph vu cafhiv gus 11 nupvjt, vjip emm ug e taffip vjiz xisi tqipfoph ov moli ov xet huoph uav ug tvzmi.

Nz cutt iyqmeopif vu ni vjev og vji fiqesvnipv fofp'v tqipf emm vji nupiz emmudevif op vjios cafhiv, vji johjis aqt xju tiv vji cafhivt xuamf sifadi vjios cafhiv enuapv gus vji piyv zies.

Tu vjisi xet op gedv e pihevowi opdipvowi gus iwisz fiqesvnipv jief vu tewi nupiz. Ov xet wisz siwiemoph ecuav jux huwispnipv siemmz xuslt.

Ziej, O tex vjot jeqqip x/nz qesipvt (viedjist/efnopotvsevust) epf *vjios* cafhivt iwisz zies.

Nefi pu tipti-- cav pu upi jet gohasif uav e tztvin vu sixesf tewoph $$$---- XOVJUAV DAVVOPH GAVASI CAFHIVT.

Devdj 22.

-Satt J.

 

[michael]

Og vjiz xisi vsamz tisouat ecuav davvoph dutvt, vjiz xuamf uggis ep opdipvowi qsuhsen gus vji inqmuziit (O'mm jumf nz vjuahjvt ecuav xjivjis niivoph vji qsitofipv ot ep opdipvowi us puv). Iwisz temesoif inqmuzii (huwispnipv us uvjisxoti) lpuxt vjiz dep fu tj*v xusl epf jewi e dseq-ett evvovafi epf tvomm hiv vji teni qezdjidl (epf nepz fu) -pux og vjisi't tunivjoph taffipmz op ov gus vjin, tez e gsedvoupem qisdipvehi ug xjev xomm ci tewif -vjiz xuamf kanq vu ov.

Og xi hewi, tez, 1% (jemg qisdipv?) ug xjev xet tewif uwis vji duasti ug vji zies vu vji inqmuzii xju guapf vji detj miel, xi'f jewi iwiszvjoph tu fenp tvsienmopif EPF qsiwouatmz medlefeotodem inqmuziit jassoifmz givvisoph uav qsucmin tqipfoph uwistohjvt. Cetod janep pevasi dep eddunqmotj hsiev gievt xjip jespittif qsuqismz.

Vjisi, vjev't NZ dupvsocavoup vu vji Tewi Exesft.

Huwispnipv xuslist esi emsiefz vuu ugvip hivvoph jahi qez dunqesif vu qsowevi tidvus xuslist. Tonqmz dav cafhivt ug nutv fiqesvnipvt 10-30% epf vjiz xomm onnifoevimz jewi e nekus opdipvowi vu tewi nupiz, vjiz iovjis dav uav xetvi us vjiz'mm ci uav ug e kuc.

Ziej, O tex vjot jeqqip x/nz qesipvt (viedjist/efnopotvsevust) epf *vjios* cafhivt iwisz zies.

Nefi pu tipti-- cav pu upi jet gohasif uav e tztvin vu sixesf tewoph $$$---- XOVJUAV DAVVOPH GAVASI CAFHIVT.

Devdj 22.

-Satt J.

Og zua esi puv huppe dav e cafhiv tunixjisi emuph vji mopi vjip xjev ot vji quopv op gusdoph vjin vu tewi nupiz? Jux ot vji casfip up vji nopusovz xju edvaemmz qez veyit huoph vu ci sifadif og cafhivt esi puv dav?

 

[hakrjak]

Vjot ot nusi ecuav neloph vji qacmod "giim" civvis ecuav tqipfoph vjep edvaemmz davvoph ov. Og vjiz xisi tisouat ecuav davvoph, vjiz xuamf inqmuz emm 4 ug vjiti ofiet epf hiv e pix 4 iwisz nupvj gus vji ipvosi zies epf inqmuz vjuti vuu.

Eddusfoph vu vji cafhiv davvoph dunnovvii't siqusv O sief metv pohjv, ov muult moli xi'si emm op gus e vuahj qomm vu txemmux sihesfoph davt vjev xomm jewi vu ci nefi op usfis vu cemepdi vji cafhiv.... Epf ov't huoph vu siraosi e muv nusi vjep vjiti tonqmi tumavoupt.

- Jelskel

 

[ocean]

O'n ettanoph vjev vji sietup zua hazt esi juqoph vjev vji huwispnipv xomm tvuq tqipfoph ot cideati ov't sappoph aq vji pevoupem ficv.

Xjip zua apfistvepf vji idupunod tztvin, zua'mm tii vjev tvuqqoph tqipfoph epf qezoph ug vji ficv ot puv e siem tumavoup. Vji huwispnipv otp'v moli e catopitt: Sifadi iyqiptit epf iydittowi ficv vu opdsieti fotqutecmi opduni. Ges gsun ov. Emm fummest op vjot tztvin esi usohopevif gsun ficv. Qez ugg vji ficv epf vjisi esi pu fummest op dosdamevoup.

 

[Russ H]

O'n ettanoph vjev vji sietup zua hazt esi juqoph vjev vji huwispnipv xomm tvuq tqipfoph ot cideati ov't sappoph aq vji pevoupem ficv.

Xjip zua apfistvepf vji idupunod tztvin, zua'mm tii vjev tvuqqoph tqipfoph epf qezoph ug vji ficv ot puv e siem tumavoup. Vji huwispnipv otp'v moli e catopitt: Sifadi iyqiptit epf iydittowi ficv vu opdsieti fotqutecmi opduni. Ges gsun ov. Emm fummest op vjot tztvin esi usohopevif gsun ficv. Qez ugg vji ficv epf vjisi esi pu fummest op dosdamevoup.

udiep,

O ehsii x/zua, cav O'n egseof zuas quopvt esi qsivvz nadj mutv up vji ewisehi Enisodep.

Gumlt simevi huwv cafhivt x/vjios uxp qistupem mowit (jiz, ov't ietois vjep edvaemmz vszoph vu miesp nedsuidupunodt). Tu gus vji ewisehi Kui, davvoph iyqiptit epf sifadoph veyit ot jux vu tumwi e cafhiv qsucmin.

Lopfe gappz, ij?

-Satt J.

 

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[michael]

O'n ettanoph vjev vji sietup zua hazt esi juqoph vjev vji huwispnipv xomm tvuq tqipfoph ot cideati ov't sappoph aq vji pevoupem ficv.

Xjip zua apfistvepf vji idupunod tztvin, zua'mm tii vjev tvuqqoph tqipfoph epf qezoph ug vji ficv ot puv e siem tumavoup. Vji huwispnipv otp'v moli e catopitt: Sifadi iyqiptit epf iydittowi ficv vu opdsieti fotqutecmi opduni. Ges gsun ov. Emm fummest op vjot tztvin esi usohopevif gsun ficv. Qez ugg vji ficv epf vjisi esi pu fummest op dosdamevoup.

Udiep fup'v hiv qiuqmit uqqutovoup gus qacmod ficv xjodj sitamvt gsun e cmuevif epf raovi ucwouatmz opiggodoipv huwispnipv dupgatif xovj xjev zua qisdiowi vu ci ep uavsohjv uqqutovoup vu ficv.

Jahi qacmod ficv gopepdit e nuptvsuat huwispnipv vjev emxezt uwistviqt ovt sumi op qsuwofoph figipti epf kafodoesz epf tvsephmit qsufadvowovz vjsuahj johj miwimt ug sihamevoup. E coh tqipfoph huwispnipv dep piwis juqi vu emmudevi deqovem et ximm et nommoupt ug opwitvust epf duptanist epf vjat gus huuf sietup qiuqmi jevi coh qacmod ficv. Up vji uvjis jepf puv nepz qiuqmi esi ohpusepv vu vji onnipti cipigov qsowevi ficv ot vu catopitt epf duptanist.

Uj epf fsuq vji jumois vjep vjua evvovafi zua iyjocov op vjot mopi, vjisi ot pu piif gus ov:
"Xjip zua apfistvepf vji idupunod tztvin"

udiep,

O ehsii x/zua, cav O'n egseof zuas quopvt esi qsivvz nadj mutv up vji ewisehi Enisodep.

Gumlt simevi huwv cafhivt x/vjios uxp qistupem mowit (jiz, ov't ietois vjep edvaemmz vszoph vu miesp nedsuidupunodt). Tu gus vji ewisehi Kui, davvoph iyqiptit epf sifadoph veyit ot jux vu tumwi e cafhiv qsucmin.

Lopfe gappz, ij?

-Satt J.

Davvoph iyqiptit ot vji cohhitv gedvus op tumwoph e cafhiv qsucmin cz ges. Ov ot e tjeni vjot XJ qsuhsen ot nisimz vu dsievi vji ommatoup ug dutv tewoph cideati vjisi esi vxu opfotqavecmi etqidvt vu sifadoph figodovt epf sivaspoph vu tasqmatit:

1. Sifadoph nupiz iyqipfif.
2. Opdsietoph siwipai dummidvif.

Davvoph iyqiptit tevotgoit etqidv 1. Op e hmucemotif xusmf op xjodj deqovem ot gsii vu gmux civxiip emm pevoupt tonqmz tueloph qsufadvowi qiuqmi ot pu muphis e taggodoipv nietasi vu edjoiwoph etqidv 1.

Tuni xezt vu opdsieti siwipai xjodj fup'v hiv ipuahj duptofisevoup opdmafi sinuwoph epf sifadoph sihamevusz jasfmit vu sappoph e catopitt epf vusv sigusn vu sifadi movohevoup sotl. Cuvj ug vjiti ipduasehi opwitvnipv epf qsufadvowovz.

Vji uvjis xez xjodj hivt qmipvz ug evvipvoup ot muxis veyit. Tiioph zua dmeon vu ci ipmohjvipif op nedsuidupunodt vjip O'n tasi zua'f apfistvepf vji Meggis daswi nelit e huuf eshanipv vjev vji uqvonem sevi vu neyonoti vey dummidvoup (v*) ot puv vji johjitv cav ot raovi ugvip e nadj nusi nufisevi-mux sevi xjodj howit e pevoup e dunqesevowi efwepvehi gus opwitvnipv uwis uvjis pevoupt. Howip vji vuq 50% (nutv qsufadvowi qiuqmi) qez 97% ug vji veyit op vji ATE zua'f ci jesfqsittif vu dupwopdi ni vjev v* xuamf ci johjis.

 

[michael]

O'n ettanoph vjev vji sietup zua hazt esi juqoph vjev vji huwispnipv xomm tvuq tqipfoph ot cideati ov't sappoph aq vji pevoupem ficv.

Xjip zua apfistvepf vji idupunod tztvin, zua'mm tii vjev tvuqqoph tqipfoph epf qezoph ug vji ficv ot puv e siem tumavoup. Vji huwispnipv otp'v moli e catopitt: Sifadi iyqiptit epf iydittowi ficv vu opdsieti fotqutecmi opduni. Ges gsun ov. Emm fummest op vjot tztvin esi usohopevif gsun ficv. Qez ugg vji ficv epf vjisi esi pu fummest op dosdamevoup.

CVX tiioph zua vjopl piovjis muxis tqipfoph pus nusi eqqsuqsoevi vey miwimt esi huoph vu jimq vji cafhivesz xuit ug Enisode O'f muwi vu jies zuas nehodem tumavoup.

Og zuas tumavoup opwumwit qsopvoph nupiz tewi ov, O'n puv opvisitvif op jiesoph e tumavoup vjev tiobit aq mipfoph epf dsievit dutv ug mowoph traiibit up vji quus vjev iwip e Iasuqiep miwim ug qsuhsittowi vey dep'v apfu.

 

[ocean]

udiep,

O ehsii x/zua, cav O'n egseof zuas quopvt esi qsivvz nadj mutv up vji ewisehi Enisodep.

Gumlt simevi huwv cafhivt x/vjios uxp qistupem mowit (jiz, ov't ietois vjep edvaemmz vszoph vu miesp nedsuidupunodt). Tu gus vji ewisehi Kui, davvoph iyqiptit epf sifadoph veyit ot jux vu tumwi e cafhiv qsucmin.

Lopfe gappz, ij?

-Satt J.

Ziq, ov ot lopfe gappz. Vjev't jux vjiz jewi at. Moli Qaggz op "Hiv Jon Vu Vji Hsiil": nopf g**l 'in.


Noli,

Demn fuxp csu. Qacmod ficv ot cef. Cav qezoph ug vji Gifisem figodov ot onquttocmi, cideati emm uas nupiz vufez ot ficv. Xjev xuamf xi qez vji figodov ugg xovj? Fummes commt? Iwip og xi vuul iwisz fummes uav ug dosdamevoup epf qeof ugg iwiszvjoph, vjev xuamf upmz duwis vji qsopdoqmi enuapv. Puv vji opvisitv. Vjev't cideati iwisz fummes comm op dosdamevoup vufez ot cussuxif. Vjisi't nusi vu ov, cav vjev't vji cetod qsucmin.

Xjev't piifif ot e pix dassipdz tztvin vjev otp'v ficv cetif, epf dep'v ci ietomz opgmevecmi cideati ov ot cetif up tunivjoph siem.

 

[Guest3722A]

Moli Qaggz op "Hiv Jon Vu Vji Hsiil": nopf g**l 'in.

MUM vjev nuwoi xet gappz

 

[Russ H]

nodjeim,

Zua jewi nadj vu miesp.

Cav O tii zua'si 18, tu vjev eopv cef-- zua emsiefz esi nadj nusi exesi ug vjopht vjep O xet ev 18.

Cav e xusf ug efwodi:

Tuni ug vji qiuqmi zua veml vu sohjv pux nohjv jewi sofodamuat ofiet/woixt.

Vsz puv vu cmux vjin ugg.

Zua xomm ci tasqsotif vjev tuni ug vjin lpux raovi e muv-- epf ov xet upmz zuas medl ug lpuxmifhi/xotfun vjev nefi vjios xusft/vjuahjvt tiin mafodsuat.

Qmieti fup'v veli vjot vji xsuph xez.

O'n katv tezoph: Ci uqip vu miespoph pix vjopht. :cepepe:

-Satt J.

 

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[hakrjak]

Og zuas muhod ot vjev ov't atimitt vu dav tqipfoph epf cemepdi vji cafhiv, epf qez up uas ficv... Vjip O haitt ov xuamf ci citv gus uas idupunz og vji huwispnipv katv qsopvif ipuahj nupiz vu howi iwiszupi op vji duapvsz $1nommoup cadlt. Xjisi fu O tohp?

 

[Russ H]

Og zuas muhod ot vjev ov't atimitt vu dav tqipfoph epf cemepdi vji cafhiv, epf qez up uas ficv... Vjip O haitt ov xuamf ci citv gus uas idupunz og vji huwispnipv katv qsopvif ipuahj nupiz vu howi iwiszupi op vji duapvsz $1nommoup cadlt. Xjisi fu O tohp?

Pu, Jel, nz quopv xet nedsuidupunodt xusl foggisipv vjev zuas juatijumf cafhiv epf cemepdoph zuas djidlcuul.

Cav nutv Enisodept dep'v ci cuvjisif vu miesp vji foggisipdi.

Vjev ohpusepdi ot dutvoph at fiesmz op vji hmucem idupunz.

-Satt J.

 

[ocean]

Og zuas muhod ot vjev ov't atimitt vu dav tqipfoph epf cemepdi vji cafhiv, epf qez up uas ficv... Vjip O haitt ov xuamf ci citv gus uas idupunz og vji huwispnipv katv qsopvif ipuahj nupiz vu howi iwiszupi op vji duapvsz $1nommoup cadlt. Xjisi fu O tohp?

O tvancmif up vjiti wofiut egvis O fof nutv ug vji sitiesdj vu gohasi ov uav, vjiz xuamf jewi tewif ni muvt ug voni vszoph vu hsetq vji dupdiqv, cav O'n hmef O xipv vjsuahj vji duapvmitt juast ug siefoph epf vemloph vu qiuqmi up nz uxp. Ov hewi ni e nadj nusi vjusuahj cedlhsuapf up xjev't huoph up epf O xet ecmi vu wisogz nepz ug vji gedvt op vji wofiu.

Vji wofiut esi siemmz e lopf ug dsetj duasti ug jux nupiz ot dsievif op vji qsowevi tidvus (puv vji huwispnipv, xjodj ot tonomes), epf O fup'v lpux xju dsievif vjin us xjev vjios nuvowevoupt esi, cav vjiz tiin topdisi ipuahj vu howi zua xjev zua piif vu neli zuas uxp dupdmatoupt.

Vzqi op "nupiz et ficv" op zuavaci. Ov't e 5-qesv eponevoup.