Tony Robbins sells out; reveals his Paradox of Practice, cringeworthy.

[JAVB]

Have you read Shoe Dog by Phil Knight (The Creator of Nike)? It’s one of my favorite biographies.

Thanks! I haven't read it nor heard of it. I can use a non-tech related biography. Thanks for sharing!!

Hopefully you and other can share other ones. I'd like to share also:
- Steve Jobs by Isaacson
- The Innovators by Isaacson
- Alberto Einstein by Isaacson


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[ZF Lee]

If I was 20 years old and struggling to find my way, what would I think if I heard Tony spew this crap? Would I be mentally disciplined enough to critically think about it? Considering I held Tony on a pedestal, I might have accepted it as gospel, and that it was the ONLY way to be financially free.

Keep in mind, I listened to Tony (and read his books) because I didn't want to be normal. I wanted MORE than the "work M-F for a weekend and a stable retirement at 65" routine.

I viewed Tony as a medium, an adviser, and a mentor to get out of this trap.

When I started out by reading Kiyosaki's stuff, I was on track to go into his rabbit hole.

However, I came to realize nothing was happening, months after I read all the books.

But there was one piece of advice Kiyosaki said in his RDPD book:

'Go out and join like-minded people who want to escape the Rat Race. Join meetings and read more books of similar themes. Educate yourself.'

Kiyosaki was basically telling me that getting wealthy didn't stop with his advice alone. There was more to it.

So I eventually explored and found my way here.

It may be the same way with Tony Robbins. Self-development doesn't stop and finish with him.

In that sense, Kiyosaki did me some good, after all!

Alright. I've been called out in private that I kinda posted a snarky a**hole response so allow me to give a more thoughtful response without the sarcastic attitude I normally provide.

Tony Robbins has been the number one success coach on the planet for many years. This is his 42nd year doing what he does.

When you think of the people who have shaped our world... real influencers. People who have built more, gave more, done more, or contributed the most to society -- who do you envision?

Martin Luther King, Jr.? Ghandi? Nelson Mandela? Mother Theresa? Mikhail Gorbachev? Hell, I'd agree with you. Those people shaped generations of people from all walks of life.

Today. Out of who is alive -- who are the greatest influencers? I mean people GENUINELY making an impact on our society, how we think, how we behave, and how much the contribute...

Maybe Bill and Melinda Gates? Richard Branson? Elon Musk? And, of course, Tony Robbins.

Who has had more of an impact on our world TODAY (who is alive) than these people?

Let's step back for a second for those of you who think Tony Robbins is "just some sell-out guru".

You are forgetting these last two books: Money, Master the Game and Unshakeable are side projects of his. The idea was to help the average person protect themselves from people taking advantage of financial ignorance. People who don't understand that for every 1% of fees, due to compound interest, results in almost 10 years of retirement income.

That's some pretty important F*cking information to understand. Financial literacy is everything. Tony also goes on to say that the number one way you're going to thrive (not just survive) is to learn how to build a business and provide more value than anyone else... but as I've been put on the stake for in the past here on the forum -- I have to say it again... if you actually read the book, love it or hate it... you'd know that.

Here's the thing -- headline reading doesn't educate you on the guy's 41 year career.

But let's do some headline reading for a second...

Out of the dozen books that he wrote here are the best sellers:

• Unlimited Power
• Notes from a Friend
• Awaken The Giant Within

And of course, Money: Master the Game and Unshakeable.

His new book on health will more than likely come out at the end of the year.

But F*ck the books. How about audio programs? What he is ACTUALLY known for around the world for the past 40 years...

• Personal Power
• The Ultimate Edge
• Mastering Influence
• Time of your life
• The Body you Deserve
• Creating Lasting Change
• The Ultimate Relationship Program

Personal Power's infomercial alone was on TV every 30 minutes somewhere in the world for 26 years straight. The greatest selling personal development program of all time. It is still by far the best program Tony has.

How about the live events?

• Unleash the Power Within
• Date with Destiny
• Business Mastery
• Life Mastery
• Wealth Mastery

Robbins Research International has literally been the number one personal development business in the category for 40 years... nobody even touches it. Not Mark Burnett's Success Resources. Not Dale Carnegie. Not Ziggy. Denis Waitley. Brian Tracy -- and listen, I F*cking LOVE those guys. None of them have had the impact Tony has. It's not even close.

But how about we get out of the "guru" space... because he's just a guru, right? Has no idea how to run a business?

52 other companies. 6 billion dollars a year in revenue. None of them in the personal development or "guru" space. Actually there's about a 80% chance everyone on this thread is a customer of his, you just don't know he owns the company.

The guy feeds 250 million people per year by himself. He planted 15,000 trees in Africa this year... which if you don't understand the impact, it means that in certain areas that literally takes the local income from $2 per day to $12 per day (yes because of a forest that wasn't there)... He literally bought 1,200 kids to get them out of sexual slavery and started coaching them. His programs are donated to millions of mental health practitioners, doctors, schools, and prisons every single year...

He's put thousands of kids through school... he's purchased stem cell companies to build and give the average person access to health stuff they would never have.

So here's the deal:

Call me a fool if you want. Call everyone foolish.

I'm not trying to convince you by any means. All I'm saying is get your facts straight.

Maybe go out and give some kind of value to this world instead of sitting behind a keyboard and bitching.

There goes my sarcastic attitude again. Almost made it the whole post.

Great points!

Don't think attending a Robbins event, or similar ones for that matter, is 100% silly.

I feel that sometimes, if we want to learn a marketable skill or industry, we need to use similar products.

In my case, I could quickly understand some of the tenets of copywriting, sales and persuasion because at the young age of 15 or 16, I attended a study camp by Adam Khoo from Singapore, who's affiliated with Tony Buzan.

From the free seminar, to the vocal cues and speech patterns of the trainers, the many 'rituals' in the study camp (e.g. balancing on a thin rope shaken by two rough coaches instead of a firewalk lol), there was so much to observe.

I tried implementing a few of them back in school, whenever I had to do presentations.

My friends just laughed. I didn't get to know the full picture of how it's supposed to work until these few years.

While I don't endorse going to seminars to learn how to have a seminar business (unless you are doing copywriting for gurus hahaha- one actually asked me to come to one of his free seminars to learn the product before writing sales copy), many skills like deal-making and team management might very well come from such places.

 

[Silverfox148]

You can learn something from all these gurus , I'm not familiar with Tony but I have analyzed others like Grant Cardone, Dave Ramsey, etc.

The goal for me with any guru is to analyze what they say, never pay directly for anything, and learn from the selling/marketing/processes they use to get people to hand over money or influence you. The sophistication of some these guys like Cardone is pretty complex when it comes to selling, it may seem simple and even dumb at times but there is a very clear process going in the background setting you up for the buy. That's valuable information to know, once you are aware of the existence of the background underlying process you can make more informed decisions.

Also not everyone is at the Fastlane level or even wants to be Fastlane even if they know about it. These guys to do provide good value to those individuals, most people don't want to hear that they have to engage in a process that will require hard work/commitment crazy hours/confronting fears/childhood issues, etc. That's a very hard F*cking sell, it only applies to a very small part of the population.

Take the good from them, leave/ignore the bad.

 

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[GoodluckChuck]

Telling a 19 year old to save his/her money is good advice. Compound interest is a good thing, especially for the average person who will be a lifelong employee by choice.

Even for the entrepreneur it's a good idea to save money...

Give the T man a break. He's just a dude that has to talk a lot and sometimes says shit that might not align with the fastlane doctrine.

The cool thing about being awakened is that we can hear about compound interest and understand that there are better vehicles to wealth..

The sad truth is that not only will 99.9% of people that hear Tony talk about compound interest wealth generation not ever find a better wealth vehicle than working a slowlane job, but most of them won't even save enough to take advantage of compound interest.

 

[Determined2012]

Tony Mosque and spending thousands to be in the graces of his charades?

He's coming to Chicago. I was stunned to see he is offering tickets as low as $19.99. Never thought I'd see that from him.

His ship in this lane seems to have sailed. There are new guys taking over this space (Gary V, Tai Lopez, Grant Cardone, Eric Thomas, etc.).

I could not get into Tony Robbins books, still haven't finished Awaken The Giant Within. His speaking voice is so soothing and mesmerizing to me though!

 

[Xeon]

Suppose Tony tells his mainstream audience to stop trading time for money and find clever niches where they can automate whatever value they provide.
I'd consider that highly irresponsible.

You know what, maybe Shopify can hire Tony to encourage the masses and motivate them to start their own hustle, using SHOPIFY's platform. Then Tony takes a % of the profits from Shopify and both parties win.

 

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