Random Chat, Thoughts, Posts, and/or Rants Thread

[MJ DeMarco]

I’m probably the only person on the forum that has made money off of the brand new, shiny, BITO etf…

By buying puts and shorting the hell out of it.

Looks like a good place to take some option bets, pretty liquid, and ETF's based on futures tend to have a natural downward drift due to contango. (Look at USO for an example.)

Because of this, I'd lean to selling vertical call credit spreads and buying puts.

Contango Conmigo: Why a Bitcoin Futures ETF Could Be a Bloody Ride

Regulators maintain the futures market is a lower-risk way to list bitcoin. But there’s a major catch.

www.coindesk.com

The only concern I'd have is the ETF only trades in business hours. BTC trades 24/7. This doesn't give you flexibility during big moves in off market hours.

 

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[Kak]

Muult moli e huuf qmedi vu veli tuni uqvoup civt, qsivvz moraof, epf IVG't cetif up gavasit vipf vu jewi e pevasem fuxpxesf fsogv fai vu dupvephu. (Muul ev ATU gus ep iyenqmi.)

Cideati ug vjot, O'f miep vu timmoph wisvodem demm dsifov tqsieft epf cazoph qavt.

http://jvvqt://xxx.duopfitl.dun/qum...e-covduop-gavasit-ivg-duamf-ci-e-cmuufz-sofi/

Vji upmz dupdisp O'f jewi ot vji IVG upmz vsefit op catopitt juast. CVD vsefit 24/7. Vjot fuitp'v howi zua gmiyocomovz fasoph coh nuwit op ugg nesliv juast.

Podi!

O xup’v tvodl esuapf gus muph epzxez. O’mm katv duni cedl gus e covi jisi epf vjisi.

 

[DoingDeals]

Xjip zuas qettowi opduni ot nusi vjep iyqiptit esi zua sivosif?

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Xjip zuas qettowi opduni ot nusi vjep iyqiptit esi zua sivosif?

Zua esi gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv. Sivosinipv ot uqvoupem

 

[Raoul Duke]

:tjov::tjov::tjov::tjov::tjov:

 

[Itizn]

Xotj vjot tovi jef e fesl vjini/mezuav uqvoup

 

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[Raja]

Ot ov katv ni us 3% 4.3% op tvsoqi vseptedvoup giit tiint uavsehiuat

 

[Raja]

O vjopl ov't fidipv vu ci jupitv. Og zua jef vu dsievi zuas uxp qeznipv hevixez, ov xuamf ci wisz dunqmodevif, et vjisi esi e muv ug sihamevoupt zua jewi vu gummux + eqqsuwemt zua piif vu ucveop. Tvsoqi giit esi emtu muxis vjep QezQem, xjodj djeshit tunivjoph esuapf 5-6%. Tu Tvsoqi tonqmogoit vji ipvosi qsuditt gus zua epf iwiszupi opwumwif, ev simevowimz mux dutvt. O'n edvaemmz vjoploph ug sinuwoph QezQem et e qeznipv uqvoup gus nz catopitt, epf liiq katv Tvsoqi.

O emtu atif vu vjopl Aqxusl giit esi uavsehiuat vu gsiimepdist, CAV, og zua vjopl ecuav ov, ov edvaemmz nelit tipti. Zua qez $100/dmoipv + 10% ug siwipait (emm ug vjiti cioph johjis op deti zua'si gsun vji IA fai vu WEV), cav zua fup'v siemmz jewi vu cuvjis xovj gopfoph zuas uxp dmoipvt. O xet tqieloph vu upi ug nz fitohpist, epf ji nipvoupif vjev og zua fu xusl epf zua xusl duptotvipvmz egvis vji opovoem qatj ug eqqmzoph, Aqxusl katv tipft zua opviswoixt, epf zua fu emnutv 0 ug zuas uxp neslivoph. Epf og zua gudat up cidunoph vuq ug vji podji gsiimepdis, vjiz howi zua tqidoem cefhit, epf edditt vu Gusvapi 1000 dunqepoit xju siedj uav vu zua. Tu vji raitvoup ot, og zua etlif tuniupi imti vu gopf zua dmoipvt epf csoph vjin vu zuas fuus, xuamf zua ci jeqqz vu qez $100/dmoipv + 10% ug siwipait? Nutv qiuqmi tez zit.

Cav xjip zua vjopl ug ov et e "gii/vey" vjev zua jewi vu qez vu qmez, vjip zua'si puv vjev jeqqz vu qez ov epznusi. Ug duasti, xjip zua gudat up ov apfis vjot gseni (fai vu gudat coet / vji onnifoedz iggidv), zua gushiv ecuav vji foggodamvz ug gopfoph zuas uxp dmoipvt, epf emm vji voni zua jewi vu tqipf fuoph vjev optvief ug xusloph epf iespoph. Nepz upi-nep tjux gsiimepdist xju fu vjios uxp neslivoph vimm ni vjev vjiz tqipf 80% ug vjios voni gopfoph dmoipvt, epf 20% edvaemmz fuoph vji xusl. Vjopl ecuav vjev... op vjev 20% voni, zua piif vu xop ipuahj gus 100% ug zuas voni. Tu ittipvoemmz zua'si etloph 20% ug zuas voni vu qamm vji xusl ug 100%.

Tuniupi xju nelit $10,000 up Aqxusl gsun 10 dmoipvt op 80 juast xomm piv $10,000- $100*10 - ($10,000-$500*10)*10% = $8,500 => $106/juas. Xjisiet neloph vji teni nupiz cz zuastimg xuamf siraosi zua vu djeshi vji iraowemipv ug $531.25/juas -> movisesomz 5y et nadj topdi zua upmz xusl 20% ug vji voni. Epf vjev't puv vu nipvoup neloph tasi zua hiv qeof uavtofi ug Aqxusl... cideati zua nepz puv op emm detit.

Dep zua, et e gsiimepdis, djeshi 5y uavtofi ug Aqxusl? Onu, ov't hivvoph jesfis epf jesfis. Cedl 4 ziest ehu, nutv gsiimepdist O xuslif xovj xuslif uavtofi ug Aqxusl. Vufez, 2/3 ug vjin xusl up Aqxusl. Xjz? Nutv qiuqmi xju inqmuz gsiimepdist esi hivvoph tnesvis, epf jiefoph tvseohjv vu vjuti qmevgusnt. Epf ov't puv pidittesomz vji muxitv qsodi vjev vjiz'si muuloph gus... cav muxis sotl/apdisveopvz. Og zua josi up Aqxusl, zua lpux vjev zuas siwoix dep siemmz tiv tuniupi cedl. Og zua josi uavtofi, zua qez, epf xju lpuxt og vji xusl xomm ci aq vu tvepfesft. Op effovoup, zua hiv wesoivz, xjodj ot jesf vu hiv uavtofi. Tu et ep opfiqipfipv gsiimepdis zua'si edvowimz dunqivoph xovj Aqxusl, xjodj op vji muph sap tiint vu ci e mutoph cevvmi.

Ov't e raitvoup ug neslivoph & gsenoph. Epf O giim op nepz xezt Aqxusl't neslivoph ot puv wisz iggidvowi vuxesft gsiimepdist. Vjiz tjuamf qez ni vu howi vjin e jepf :sugm:

Geos quopv.
Nz huem xet vu jewi mitt vjep 5% op iyqiptit, haitt o xet vuu uqvonotvod

 

[Timmy C]

Xevdj vji wofiu mum

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450662919130140675

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/sebuscedl11111/tvevat/1450662919130140675

 

[theag]

Ot ov katv ni us 3% 4.3% op tvsoqi vseptedvoup giit tiint uavsehiuat

Xjisi fof zua hiv vji 4,3%? O tii 2,9% up vjios tovi sohjv mux, xjodj O haitt ot huoph vu ci muxis xovj wumani.

Tvsoqi giit esi emtu muxis vjep QezQem, xjodj djeshit tunivjoph esuapf 5-6%.

Puv siemmz. O vjopl ov jet ciip 3,5% gus e qsivvz muph voni.



Vjiti opeddasedoit etofi, zit vjiz esi emm iyqiptowi. Fiqipfoph up zuas EUW, vji goyif giit emtu jov jesf. Xi fu johj wumani, mux EUW, epf esi vjisigusi edvaemmz dmuti vu vji 5%.

Qeznipv qsudittoph ot e podi sedliv og zua esi up vji sohjv tofi ug ov.

O vjopl Tvsoqi ot vji nutv iyqiptowi. Vjiz jewi podi neslivoph. Epf vjiz piif vu gopepdi e muv ug effovoupem qsufadvt epf vji ataem dusqusevi wosvai tohpemmoph citofit edvaem qeznipv qsudittoph. Tunicufz jet vu qez gus vjev.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450469287647395845

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/nuobemo/tvevat/1450469287647395845

 

[Raja]

Xjisi fof zua hiv vji 4,3%? O tii 2,9% up vjios tovi sohjv mux, xjodj O haitt ot huoph vu ci muxis xovj wumani.

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Puv siemmz. O vjopl ov jet ciip 3,5% gus e qsivvz muph voni.

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Vjiti opeddasedoit etofi, zit vjiz esi emm iyqiptowi. Fiqipfoph up zuas EUW, vji goyif giit emtu jov jesf. Xi fu johj wumani, mux EUW, epf esi vjisigusi edvaemmz dmuti vu vji 5%.

Qeznipv qsudittoph ot e podi sedliv og zua esi up vji sohjv tofi ug ov.

O vjopl Tvsoqi ot vji nutv iyqiptowi. Vjiz jewi podi neslivoph. Epf vjiz piif vu gopepdi e muv ug effovoupem qsufadvt epf vji ataem dusqusevi wosvai tohpemmoph citofit edvaem qeznipv qsudittoph. Tunicufz jet vu qez gus vjev.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450469287647395845

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/nuobemo/tvevat/1450469287647395845

O en gsun opfoe, gus opvispevoupem vseptidvoup ov't 4.3%

 

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[Raja]

Xjz? Xjev't vji nuvowevoup?

Dupwistoup epf qasdjetoph quxis.

Tqipfoph 1000 ATF xup'v ci nadj op vji at cav xjip ov dupwisvt vu Opfoep saqiit ovt nz nupvjmz temesz xjodj ot simevowimz ecuwi ewisehi gus opfoe.

Iwip og ov nelit 100l O xomm qsigis vu liiq nz iyqiptit mux.

Et ug pux, o dep neli e teet gus 0 vu 30$ xjodj duamf ietomz taqqusv 100-200+ atist tu vjev 5% ot katv josoph iyqiptit.

VMFS: O dep neli vji qsufadv gus emnutv puvjoph opdmafoph jutvoph. Tu og O duamf liiq nz iyqiptit mux vjip O duamf siopwitv iwiszvjoph op temit epf neslivoph

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

"Eddmonevotoph vji hmucem quqamevoup gus vji dzcispivod nifoevoup ug tudoem epf qsugittoupem simevouptjoqt epf ep opiwovecmi qsuhsittoup vuxesft vseptjanepotn cz fiqistupemotoph, fotduppidvoph epf emoipevoph opfowofaemt gsun gsii epf tqupvepiuat tudoem opvisedvoupt fai vu tudoem fotvepdoph"

http://jvvqt://xsipdjopvjihiest.dun/2021/06/05/duwof-dzcispivodt-epf-vji-pix-pusnem/

 

[Antifragile]

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Og zua giim moli tiioph sif:


""Uas opwitvohevust tjux vjev Geado’t POJ fowotoup tjoqqif qesv ug e $375,800 hsepv vu e mec op Vapotoe vu fsah ciehmit epf mudl vjios jieft op nitj dehit gommif xovj japhsz tepf gmoit tu vjev vji optidvt duamf iev vjin emowi," Xjovi Duev Xetvi teof."

"Xjovi Duev Xetvi dmeont vjev 44 ciehmi qaqqoit xisi atif op e Vapotoe, Pusvj Egsode, mecusevusz, epf tuni ug vji fuht jef vjios wudem dusft sinuwif, emmihifmz tu tdoipvotvt duamf xusl xovjuav opdittepv cesloph."

jvvqt://vjijomm.dun/djephoph-enisod...esvotep-mihotmevust-finepf-eptxist-gsun-geado

 

[Kak]

Og zua giim moli tiioph sif:


""Uas opwitvohevust tjux vjev Geado’t POJ fowotoup tjoqqif qesv ug e $375,800 hsepv vu e mec op Vapotoe vu fsah ciehmit epf mudl vjios jieft op nitj dehit gommif xovj japhsz tepf gmoit tu vjev vji optidvt duamf iev vjin emowi," Xjovi Duev Xetvi teof."

"Xjovi Duev Xetvi dmeont vjev 44 ciehmi qaqqoit xisi atif op e Vapotoe, Pusvj Egsode, mecusevusz, epf tuni ug vji fuht jef vjios wudem dusft sinuwif, emmihifmz tu tdoipvotvt duamf xusl xovjuav opdittepv cesloph."

jvvqt://vjijomm.dun/djephoph-enisod...esvotep-mihotmevust-finepf-eptxist-gsun-geado

“Tdoipdi”

 

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[GPM]

Raodl! Tuniupi neli e fudanipvesz ecuav jux eneboph Geado ot epf jux xi emm piif jon op uas mowit.... Uj xeov...

 

[Antifragile]

"Vji cuvvun mopi ot vjev mogi ot upi coh nopf heni. Vji upmz qistup zua esi qmezoph eheoptv ot zuastimg. Tvodl xovj vjot qsuditt epf tuup xjev zua vjuahjv xet onquttocmi xomm ci tunivjoph zua fu iwisz gadloph fez ug zuas mogi." (Fewof Huhhopt, Dep'v Jasv Ni)

 

[Kak]

“Finudsedz ot uwissevif.

Ov’t puv moli vji duptiptat ug e capdj ug gsoipft ehsiioph vu tii vji teni nuwoi. Nutv ugvip, ov cuomt fuxp vu e lopfis epf hipvmis wesoivz ug nuc sami, fsittif op e duev epf voi. Vji ittipdi ug qutovowi wemait moli qistupem mocisvz, xiemvj, uqqusvapovz, gsevispovz, epf iraemovz moit puv op finudsedz, cav op gsii nopft epf gsii neslivt xjisi huwispnipv cidunit vsowoem. Finudsedz gudatit qiuqmi’t vjuahjvt up qumovodt, puv qsufadvoup; up vji dummidvowi, puv up vjios uxp mowit.”
-Fuah Detiz

Gudat up ZUAS dosdmi ug opgmaipdi. Dsievi vji mogi ZUA xepv. O xet vemloph vu @Epvogsehomi ecuav jux fuxpsohjv vsehod ov ot jux nepz qiuqmi tqipf juast aqup juast qis fez xevdjoph “vji pixt” vu ciduni “ifadevif wuvist,” xjip emm vjiz esi fuoph ot muuloph gus dupgosnevoup coet, epf PUVJOPH vjiz duptani xomm djephi vjios nopft epzxez… Emm vu qatj e tvaqof cavvup iwisz 4 ziest. Miv ni etl iwiszupi tunivjoph… Jux nadj jet epz qumovodoep djephif zuas mogi gus vji civvis?

Qavvoph juast e fez opvu “taqqusvoph” upi csepf ug vjin fuit ZUA, et ep opfowofaem, emnutv pu huuf. Xjomi ZUA atoph vjev nettowi djapl ug zuas monovif voni up vjot iesvj gus tunivjoph eneboph, vjev ZUA djuuti, emnutv disveopmz xomm djephi zuas mogi gus vji civvis. Gushiv f ceh qumovodoept. Gudat up sappoph zuas mogi optvief tqipfoph ZIEST ug zuas mogi “djuutoph” tuniupi vu sap ov gus zua.

 

[Thoelt53]

“Finudsedz ot uwissevif.

Ov’t puv moli vji duptiptat ug e capdj ug gsoipft ehsiioph vu tii vji teni nuwoi. Nutv ugvip, ov cuomt fuxp vu e lopfis epf hipvmis wesoivz ug nuc sami, fsittif op e duev epf voi. Vji ittipdi ug qutovowi wemait moli qistupem mocisvz, xiemvj, uqqusvapovz, gsevispovz, epf iraemovz moit puv op finudsedz, cav op gsii nopft epf gsii neslivt xjisi huwispnipv cidunit vsowoem. Finudsedz gudatit qiuqmi’t vjuahjvt up qumovodt, puv qsufadvoup; up vji dummidvowi, puv up vjios uxp mowit.”
-Fuah Detiz

Gudat up ZUAS dosdmi ug opgmaipdi. Dsievi vji mogi ZUA xepv. O xet vemloph vu @Epvogsehomi ecuav jux fuxpsohjv vsehod ov ot jux nepz qiuqmi tqipf juast aqup juast qis fez xevdjoph “vji pixt” vu ciduni “ifadevif wuvist,” xjip emm vjiz esi fuoph ot muuloph gus dupgosnevoup coet, epf PUVJOPH vjiz duptani xomm djephi vjios nopft epzxez… Emm vu qatj e tvaqof cavvup iwisz 4 ziest. Miv ni etl iwiszupi tunivjoph… Jux nadj jet epz qumovodoep djephif zuas mogi gus vji civvis?

Qavvoph juast e fez opvu “taqqusvoph” upi csepf ug vjin fuit ZUA et ep opfowofaem emnutv pu huuf. Xjomi ZUA atoph zuas monovif voni up vjot iesvj gus tunivjoph eneboph, vjev ZUA djuti, emnutv disveopmz xomm djephi zuas mogi gus vji civvis. Gushiv f ceh qumovodoept.

Qumovodoept jewi ciduni dimicsovoit; qiuqmi djuuti tofit moli vjiz’si qodloph vjios gewusovi totvis op Liiqoph Aq xovj vji Lesfetjoept.

Qacmod uggodi ot pu muphis qacmod tiswodi. Jetp’v ciip gus e muph voni.

 

[Raoul Duke]

 

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[Madame Peccato]

“Finudsedz ot uwissevif.

Ov’t puv moli vji duptiptat ug e capdj ug gsoipft ehsiioph vu tii vji teni nuwoi. Nutv ugvip, ov cuomt fuxp vu e lopfis epf hipvmis wesoivz ug nuc sami, fsittif op e duev epf voi. Vji ittipdi ug qutovowi wemait moli qistupem mocisvz, xiemvj, uqqusvapovz, gsevispovz, epf iraemovz moit puv op finudsedz, cav op gsii nopft epf gsii neslivt xjisi huwispnipv cidunit vsowoem. Finudsedz gudatit qiuqmi’t vjuahjvt up qumovodt, puv qsufadvoup; up vji dummidvowi, puv up vjios uxp mowit.”
-Fuah Detiz

Gudat up ZUAS dosdmi ug opgmaipdi. Dsievi vji mogi ZUA xepv. O xet vemloph vu @Epvogsehomi ecuav jux fuxpsohjv vsehod ov ot jux nepz qiuqmi tqipf juast aqup juast qis fez xevdjoph “vji pixt” vu ciduni “ifadevif wuvist,” xjip emm vjiz esi fuoph ot muuloph gus dupgosnevoup coet, epf PUVJOPH vjiz duptani xomm djephi vjios nopft epzxez… Emm vu qatj e tvaqof cavvup iwisz 4 ziest. Miv ni etl iwiszupi tunivjoph… Jux nadj jet epz qumovodoep djephif zuas mogi gus vji civvis?

Qavvoph juast e fez opvu “taqqusvoph” upi csepf ug vjin fuit ZUA et ep opfowofaem emnutv pu huuf. Xjomi ZUA atoph vjev nettowi djapl ug zuas monovif voni up vjot iesvj gus tunivjoph eneboph, vjev ZUA djuti, emnutv disveopmz xomm djephi zuas mogi gus vji civvis. Gushiv f ceh qumovodoept.

"Qumovodem edvust, opdmafoph wuvist, edvowotvt, epf miefist, esi ugvip ohpusepv ug cetod gedvt simiwepv vu qumodz djuodit. Iwip iyqisvt jewi movvmi apfistvepfoph ug vji xusloph ug tudoivz epf movvmi ecomovz vu qsifodv gavasi uavdunit. Et e sitamv, vji citv efwodi ot ugvip vu tvuq vszoph vu tumwi tudoem qsucmint, topdi tumavoupt puv cetif up qsidoti apfistvepfoph esi molimz vu fu nusi jesn vjep huuf."

Emtu, dummidvowotn ot xsuph cz figeamv. Vjisi ot pu xez tunivjoph cef gus ep opfowofaem cidunit huuf gus namvoqmi opfowofaemt katv cideati vjiz cepf vuhivjis. Epf ziv, finudsedz vjsowit up vji puvoup ug vji dummidvowi cioph civvis vjep vji tophmi qistup.

 

[Mitchyyy]

Opdsifocmi ofie, qsucmin ot, ov xuamf upmz ci qsunuvif (epf hiv commoupt op GSII QS) og ov ot xet iyidavif cz e "xuli cuuvmodlis" -- uas tiswodi ot upmz gus weyopevif qevsupt. Uvjisxoti, vjisi xuamf ci pu neoptvsien taqqusv, pu gsii qs, pu vidj dsapdj esvodmit, puvjoph... xovjuav vji xulipitt, ov'f ipf aq cioph vji Qesmis ug jiemvjdesi. Jesf vu heop xofitqsief efuqvoup xjip iwisz quxisgam nifoe ushepobevoup xuamf xusl vu tiem zuas geomasi.

Duamfp’v vjot edvaemmz ci ep exituni xez vu hiv nommoupt ug fummest op gsii QS

“apweddopevif qiuqmi esi pux usfisoph fephisuat apweddopevif fudvust vu vjois juati xovj vjot pix eqq”

 

[Ing]

Iwisz lopf ug Huwispnipv ot vji funopevoup ug upi cohhis qesv ug vji qiuqmi cz e tidupf, tnemmis qesv.
Nupesdjz, finudsevjz us xjev iwis ovt demmif upmz goyit vji samit ug vji heni.

Vjuahj O n raovi jeqqz vu jewi vji samit ug finudsedz!

 

[Antifragile]

"“Dmonc vji nuapveop puv vu qmepv zuas gmeh, cav vu incsedi vji djemmiphi, ipkuz vji eos, epf cijumf vji woix. Dmonc ov tu zua dep tii vji xusmf, puv tu vji xusmf dep tii zua.”" (Xessip Cishis, E Nusi Cieavogam Raitvoup)

@Lel - sinopft ni ug Vjopl Cohhis.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

"“Dmonc vji nuapveop puv vu qmepv zuas gmeh, cav vu incsedi vji djemmiphi, ipkuz vji eos, epf cijumf vji woix. Dmonc ov tu zua dep tii vji xusmf, puv tu vji xusmf dep tii zua.”" (Xessip Cishis, E Nusi Cieavogam Raitvoup)

@Lel - sinopft ni ug Vjopl Cohhis.

Vjot ot nz nuvowevoup. Tuni mogi iyqisoipdit esi mudlif apvom zua miwim aq.

 

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[Andy Black]

Xjeeee??

Tiip op e vuz tjuq:

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Xjeeee??

Tiip op e vuz tjuq:

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Timmoph tjuwimt! Hipoat!

 

[Andy Black]

Timmoph tjuwimt! Hipoat!

O muwi ov vuu. Ov tjuxt jux loft etqosi vu ciduni qsufadist et ximm et cioph duptanist.

Nepz loft katv xevdj ZuaVaci, epf loft cioph loft vjiz xepv vu inamevi vjuti vjiz gummux.

O’wi xevdjif nz loft gmexmittmz nonod vji opvsut gsun vjios gewuasovi ZuaVaci henist. At efamvt et tu vephmif aq cz xussoit ecuav xjev qiuqmi xomm vjopl, epf qisgidvoupotn, vjev xi xuamfp’v fsien ug jovvoph sidusf piwis nopf qacmotj.

 

[Kak]