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So do mushrooms and most drugs. Good luck with an "all natural" death cap and opium diet. You are confusing "natural" with "natural for humans to EAT", those are two very different things.Correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked, grains come out of mother nature just as vegetables do.
I see a contradiction here. So gluten overdose is a problem but wheat is ok because it comes from nature?????I don't think paleo addresses the real issue of the way food is being produced for North Americans. I strongly believe that genetic modification, pesticides (and I am talking the hardcore ones they use in Mexico), anti-biotics, growth hormones, gluten overdose etc. are the true problem.... let's not even go into the glycemic level of candy these days...
Another thing to consider is the "humans didn't eat grains for until 100 years ago" phrase. Paleo advocates argue that since it is so new to use we don't handle it well and that it's not natural. Correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked, grains come out of mother nature just as vegetables do. It's not like aliens came to earth and gave us grains.
So do mushrooms and most drugs. Good luck with an "all natural" death cap and opium diet. You are confusing "natural" with "natural for humans to EAT", those are two very different things.
I'm not a 100% buyer of the paleo diet. For one I don't buy the low-carb-high-fat crap, there are plenty of cultures living mostly on rice that didn't know obesity or diabetes until western diets came along. But I do believe the grain part and paleo is a huge HUGE improvement from the standard american diet.
and I quote (from this thread)I see a contradiction here. So gluten overdose is a problem but wheat is ok because it comes from nature?????
Anyway, with that pointed out I feel there's something you've glossed over. Wheat today is not like wheat 75 years ago. Much of it has been genetically modified for the purpose of delivering certain characteristics in bread in the baking industry. One of the the byproducts of that process has been a SIGNIFICANT increase in the gluten content. People who might not otherwise have had gluten issues from wheat 75 years ago, do with current wheat products.
This should clear up both the concerns you guys had. Never did I state that grains are amazing for you, I was just pointing out how the logic of "evil grains" could easily be associated with a much larger problem (i.e. genetic modification, pesticides, excess gluten pumping, anti-biotics, other chemicals etc.)anyway, the study I want to see is how organic grains vs. non-organic grains respond in the body.
I really love the paleo diet for numerous reasons, but at the same time I was just talking to a guy who had a bad case of colitis (actually he joined this forum -username: tepes) and his diet consists of 75-80% grains.
He has cured himself of colitis and inflammation, yet according to paleo this would be 100% impossible.
It's similar to the whole gluten free issue.
Think of it this way, who is the #1 consumer of gluten in the world?
Which nation has a very low % of gluten in-tolerances?
When I looked into this, I was intrigued as to why that is. When I did some snooping around I found out that in North America, they deposit 6-7X the normal amount of gluten into food.
My apologies. I'm on tapatalk and didn't see your other post.and I quote (from this thread)
This should clear up both the concerns you guys had. Never did I state that grains are amazing for you, I was just pointing out how the logic of "evil grains" could easily be associated with a much larger problem (i.e. genetic modification, pesticides, excess gluten pumping, anti-biotics, other chemicals etc.)
@nico - You say there are plenty of cultures that live mostly of rice and that you don't believe all that paleo teaches, yet your main belief is that the grain part of the paleo diet is a huge improvement to the standard american diet. Since rice is a grain, could you clarify your point?
@CEBenz - I already address what you said on the second page of this thread. We have the exact same viewpoint and you would have found that out if you had read past the first page.
I enjoy engaging discussions, however I would appreciate it if a little more effort was put into the statements and arguments made.
Here's one answer: Do you eat rice? - PaleoHacks.com@nico - You say there are plenty of cultures that live mostly of rice and that you don't believe all that paleo teaches, yet your main belief is that the grain part of the paleo diet is a huge improvement to the standard american diet. Since rice is a grain, could you clarify your point?
Are you taking it with the 'real' grass-fed butter? If not, you may feel that way.I feel light headed in the morning without food, after I drink Coffee with butter. Does anyone else feel this way?
I oftentimes do, but in a good way. I think it's just the shot of caffeine to your otherwise empty "system", not unlike the rapid state change you get when drinking alcohol on an empty stomach. The "dizziness" quickly subsides and turns to energy - at least for me.Question for those on Paleo and IF.
I feel light headed in the morning without food, after I drink Coffee with butter. Does anyone else feel this way?
Can't recall if I mentioned it here or not but you can try taking a spoonful of almond butter right before bed to try and stabilize your blood sugar throughout the night so you wake up less "shitty".I feel light headed in the morning without food, after I drink Coffee with butter. Does anyone else feel this way?
I didn't get to attend the final day -had clients early that morning & it's damn near an hour drive to that particular crossfit gym... Gonna try & do it this week for the physical measurements.Hey Red, how did it go with the ending of the challenge? Metrics? Other than getting hotter, what did you get out of it? Lessons learned?
Nope - not for me. It's got to be the caffeine and lack of any food (was trying intermittent fasting). Yesterday I was screwed up for 80% of the day because I felt light headed. It sucked...I can't operate like that.I oftentimes do, but in a good way. I think it's just the shot of caffeine to your otherwise empty "system", not unlike the rapid state change you get when drinking alcohol on an empty stomach. The "dizziness" quickly subsides and turns to energy - at least for me.
I've noticed it makes my sleep "shallow" -as in, not as restful, more easily disturbed. I've had very little to drink over the last year, as it seem to have as severe physical & emotional effect on me (this was also exacerbated by the metal toxicity, however). I'll be testing out the wine again later this week...Has anyone else noticed a difference in the way you process alcohol while eating a strict paleo (and a lower-carb version)?
i would add some protein and maybe a veg. play around with the portions. Could a bit of salmon and chicken, say with some cucumber for example if you're VLCQuestion for those on Paleo and IF.
I feel light headed in the morning without food, after I drink Coffee with butter. Does anyone else feel this way?
I've had a HUGE difference in a general & overall feeling of well-being, hope & overall happiness. My background has included heavy metals poisoning so this also played into the detrimental effects of my overall mental state.BP Users: How has this effected your mental state?
I love hearing this!I, personally, will never go back to old patterns of eating. I've fought so hard these past 4 years to feel good & like myself again. This past year we've finally been connecting the dots with my health & it's made a profound impact on me personally. But that's just my story.
I am getting farmer-raised, free range pastured eggs at around $4.50 to $5 a dozen. Way worth it, in my opinion. Better taste, better size. Healthier. 1 meal at a Burger King or Wendy's gets you more than a dozen healthy eggs. Can't beat that.Eggs are a big part of my diet and their as cheap as you can get.
This is my exact situation. Going through personal hell but, for example this morning, I feel extremely full of energy and can conquer the world, as long as I don't focus on what's going on with my personal emotional life.As far as the mental clarity, I wish I could answer that. I've been in a mental fog for the last 2 months, but not because of the diet. I have some rough stuff going on. On days when I actually feel ok, I do feel very alert, and when I put my mind to it, I get a lot accomplished.
Very low carbVlc?
Yes it is possible, though more money gives you more choices.How do you do this cheaply? Is it really better to eat cheap fatty meats like dollar bacon? I don't think it'll be very good as it is grain fed and I don't have enough $$$ for grass fed beef. I did this diet when I was lucky enough to have venison, and it was amazing. Great diet, but very very expensive. Can't afford it.
Now I'm back to a diet of mostly rice, meats and veggies...
Is there a cheap way to do this diet besides hunting? I think it will be cheaper and easier to go vegan and eat stuff like avocados.
Also realise it's about becoming intune with your body and what it can tolerate and what not. Paleo at its core is just a philosophy that you play and experiment with. The idea and what is known is in its infancy, but has much potential imohttp://paleohacks.com/questions/150601/budget-shopping-uk-help-needed-please/150608#150608 said::
You have just got to do the best you can with what you've got.
I get frozen basics range chicken- I don't eat the skin (there's some that say its ok though), but this is what I do- Sainsburys do a 1kg bag for about Â£4. I'll often eat gelatin with the chicken. I get the Now Foods one (I buy it in bulk online- I don't know how viable this is if you are living in halls, but if you make friends with the staff they probably will keep an eye on it well for you- but stick to stable products) and make say a special hot chocolate. This gives a better profile then just muscle meat. Cheap Kidneys/Liver- some say its ok, but I'm slightly concerned about any negatives of the lesser quality versions of these so am avoiding for now due to not wanting to risk my health situation (but maybe others here may know more and give it the thumbs up).
I use the bones from my basics chicken - I freeze them and then use them to make a bone broth (again contentious but I scoop off the fat from the final product due to the poor quality of the animals). If you like and can tolerate coconut products they are a great way to get cheap high calorie fats and are pretty versatile. They're a mainstay for me.
If I was more mobile, I'd probably try and make friends with a local butchers and get scrap bones of grassfed meat, and use this as broth and also the after fat as a lard too.
I'll eat a lot of tinned fish, as its cheaper. There are some drawbacks, but for now it works well and I can really feel the difference. Because meat is grain fed etc- this is a way to help get a better omega 3-6 ratio. Obviously one has to be careful of mercury etc (though Chris Kresser argues the selenium levels in fish negate this). But I'll tend to stick to the lower levelled mercury fish that are on the cheaper end. If you search online you'll find lists of the ones with the lowest parts per million. You can also use fish oil (another contentious one), but obviously more expense (I've read its best to get high quality fish oils due to possible contaminants. Something like Carlsons- which is about Â£30 though for 90 servings/days)-which would add Â£2.50 onto your weekly budget. With high omega 3 fish, you get the omegas and protein for a meal in one. Plus n=1, it seems to be more effective for me then just the oil (again Kresser I think argues reasons for this if I recall correctly). You can pick up cans of sardines petty cheaply, a few of those a week could help the o3 profile- which seems to be a "weakness" of your current diet potentially
On veggies, brocolli, cauliflower etc are good as they generally seem to have less pesticides (though in my opinion the testing on this is sparce so take with a pinch of salt), and rotate others that are reported as having higher levels (like kale) The only organic thing I get is garlic- which I feel makes a significant difference in power,taste and smell.
Eggs - if you can tolerate are great.
I can't do this- but if you live near food shops, its worth working out their local patterns for putting things on sale and habitually going in at these times. One of my friends did this. And would find meats and veggies with sell by date for that day really really cheap
For spices - organic is supposed to be better because they are non-irridated, but I generally get the conventional ones for taste and will upgrade some of them soon though.
Eventually when I'm better I'd budget for more for food, but for now this is working well. I'm doing the best with what I can, but definately plan on spending more in the future.
Does that Â£20 include toiletries etc too? How much do you spend there. You can save a chunk there too when you find alternatives to more expensive (and full of rubbish) bath products for example and put that to food too potentially
Remember, alot of the "power" of Paleo comes from what you don't eat. So you're getting tons of benefit there alone but if you can spend more I would, but if you can't don't beat yourself up- as its still really powerful!
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